Pujols Talks Not Going Well

6:29pm: Joe Strauss of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch heard that the two sides are "nowhere close" according to someone in Pujols' camp. He says the Cardinals remain reluctant to counter the ten-year, $300MM structure Pujols' side presented last year and are "leery of setting Pujols' market for fear their proposal could be rejected and eventually shopped should he reach free agency."

1:06pm: Contract talks between the Cardinals and Albert Pujols are headed in the wrong direction, major league sources tell Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  The clock is ticking as there are less than two weeks until the first baseman’s self-imposed deadline for an agreement.  The Cards' position players report to Spring Training on February 18th.

Even though talks between the two sides are fluid, the Cardinals are balking at the 31-year-old’s asking price.  The slugger is seeking a contract that will reflect his status as the game's top player, meaning that he's likely looking to top Alex Rodriguez's ten-year, $275MM deal.

If Pujols does hit the open market after the 2011 season, Rosenthal writes that the Cubs, Rangers, and Angels are among the teams that could pursue Pujols.  The Mets and Dodgers also could jump into the fray provided that their financial situations improve.  The Yankees and Red Sox are obviously set long term at the first base position but Rosenthal posits that either team could get creative in an attempt to land Pujols.


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296 Comments on "Pujols Talks Not Going Well"


Ferrariman
4 years 6 months ago

my guess is Pujols has his eyes set at 10/300 and the cards aren’t biting. Good for them.

4 years 6 months ago

I agree.

David McCutcheon
4 years 6 months ago

He’ll agree at 9/240 is my guess.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

10/280. He has to break the $275M mark

baseball52
4 years 6 months ago

I highly doubt he ends up a Cub, or anything other than a Cardinal, but please make this as frustrating as possible for the Cards.

firealyellon
4 years 6 months ago

Please no posts on why Pujols would join the Rebuild-a-Cubs.

Cubbie
4 years 6 months ago

Because they have new owners and are willing to spend more money now. Yes even for the extraordinary amount of ten years for three hundred million dollars and still have about one hundred million dollars or so left

Ferrariman
4 years 6 months ago

i’d like to know who these “major league sources” are

Those who know anything(the cardinals brass) are not talking. Those who know nothing(reporters) are just speculating. He is doing his job making us all get excited.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

The best friend of the girlfriend of the guy who delivers sandwiches to Mozeliak’s assistant’s secretary’s assistant.

Ferrariman
4 years 6 months ago

secretaries have assistants?

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

In this sarcastic rant they do.

rzepczynski
4 years 6 months ago

george costanza was the assistant to the traveling secretary for the yankees

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

I’m betting it’s the years that’s the problem, not the dollar amount. Even with a future baseball immortal like Pujols the last 3-4 years of a 10 year deal are risky.

4 years 6 months ago

I’d guess they’re probably not thrilled about the dollar amount, either.

4 years 6 months ago

Why do you sign anyone into their 40s? Pujols is going to decline significantly around 36-39 just like every other player and that is best case scenario. I totally think he is worth 30 million/year. just 5/150 not 10/300.

baseball52
4 years 6 months ago

No way in hell he takes 5 years at 30. It’ll cost much more. Eight would be realistic.

NomarGarciaparra
4 years 6 months ago

i don’t think he’s suggesting that he’ll take 5/150. he’s just pointing out that Pujols is may be worth $30 mil for about 5 years, but will be worth significantly less for the remainder of the 8-10 year deal he will sign.

4 years 6 months ago

exactly.

4 years 6 months ago

You are right, but based on previous players, even that is too many years.

nparker15
4 years 6 months ago

You definately hit the nail on the head there… I am a Cardinals fan and 1) I don’t like the idea of 1/3 of your payroll going to one player [cause I really don’t think anyone is worth that] 2) I could live with 5/150 but 10/300 is rediculous and will put the Cardinals organization in trouble for a long time… I don’t think he will end up with the cubs but if he did I wouldn’t mind seeing them spend 10/300 for a declining Pujols after age 36 like u said.

phoenix2042
4 years 6 months ago

yea i think that the cards are having trouble putting up a decent supporting staff around their stars like pujols, holliday, wainwright and carpenter as it is. when pujols, wainwright and carpenter are all extended and signed to even market value deals, those 4 can cost up to 70 or 80 mil a year, maybe more. pretty soon you will see players like rasmus, westbrook and berkman (lol) become too rich for their blood. you will have the big four stuck in a AAA lineup and pitching staff, even worse than it is now.

4 years 6 months ago

Uh-oh.

johnsilver
4 years 6 months ago

Good luck getting 10/300, or even 10/275m. Boston will soon have a 1B for the next 7 or so years and the Yankees have a roster full of long term 1b/DH types and have no qualms about signing about anybody they have as it is to absurd contracts when their time has past, so they have no place for him.

Got a feeling St. Louis might be better off letting him walk and then getting him back when Pujols finds the market is flat, with only maybe Anaheim and the Cubbies with a little cash next year in the market.

Fielder is going to be the real hilarious loser next year.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

Market won’t be flat. At the very least the Sox could shift AGon to DH to accommodate Pujols, The Yankees could do the same with Tex, although that would mean they would be stuck with ARod at 3rd, not pretty considering his range is already diminishing thanks to his hip. As TheBunk said, the Blue Jays also could make a splash.

4 years 6 months ago

1. that would never happen both players are 30 yrs old no ay they’re DHing. 2. I’ve said it a number of times; Pujols will not be a Red Sox because he is on pase to break the all-time homerun record and playing in Boston would diminish his homerun totals.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

I’m not saying it will happen, I don’t expect it to at all, but that’s what Rosenthal must mean by getting creative. Unless we really want to start Pujols to LF rumors….

Agon will be locked up well before Pujols hits FA. Boston would likely have to give Pujols the 1B job to sign him. We’ve seen that great hitters can put up 50+ HR’s playing their home games at Fenway, so I’m not sure where you’re coming from with your second point.

phoenix2042
4 years 6 months ago

fenway is a great hitter’s park… what are you talking about?

jb226
4 years 6 months ago

Gonzalez might not WANT to DH, and in that sense it’s a good idea to try to keep him happy. But we saw with Soriano in Washington that if your team tells you to play somewhere, you play there — or you find yourself on the restricted list, not getting paid, not accruing service time, not able to touch baseball at all.

The bottom line is, Pujols is the kind of player you do things like this for. It’s a bit convoluted in Boston, but they COULD do it (and of course there are any number of hypothetical trade scenarios to open up spots). It’s even easier in New York. The Cubs will have the money if they wanted to spend it that way, Anaheim should be getting desperate, and you can’t even rule out somewhat dark-horse candidates like Toronto or Washington; not for a player of Pujols’ caliber.

Ultimately I think he ends up a free agent, but he re-signs with St. Louis. But either way, it will be fun to watch.

johnsilver
4 years 6 months ago

You do realize that not all RH power hitters have fared well at fenway right? Only ones that are adept at “lifting” the ball very high, others like Jim Rice were severely punished by the wall and Pujols falls into that category, plus the pressbox being build years ago no longer has the “draft” helping balls be blown to LF either.

Fenway is no longer the RH HR park that it was, but yes.. The wall doe allow far more extra base hits.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Since when did Fenway become second fiddle to St. Louis for homers? Reason # 1 why drunks shouldnt be allowed to post!

Cards1stReds6th
4 years 6 months ago

Couldn’t agree more….Who are the best defensive in all of MLB? I would have to say Albert Pujols, Mark Teixeira, and Adrian Gonzalez all make the top five. No way any of them find themselves DH-ing.

Frederick Darwin Quixote
4 years 6 months ago

Could you imagine the Red Sox long term lineup with Pujols:
Jacoby Ellesbury CF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Carl Crawford LF
Albert Pujols 1B
Adrian Gonzalez DH
Kevin Youkilis 3B
Jarod Saltilamacchia C
Jed Lowrie SS
Ryan Kalish RF

The Yankees would be older, but it would still be a force.
Derek Jeeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Robinson Cano 2B
Albert Pujols 1B
Mark Texiera DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Curtis Granderson CF
Brett Gardner LF
Russell Martin C

The Sox would need to extend Gonzalez and both teams have a question at catcher, and age is always a question, but those could scare the you-know-what out of the rest of the league. I think the Sox would be a little scarier just because they would be younger, and it probably won’t happen, but it’s fun to hypothesize.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

Aside from catcher, the other big concern is 3B defense for both teams. Although we know what to expect with ARod 9which isn’t pretty), we haven’t seen Youk play 3B full time in years, although we would have a sense of this by the time Pujols was a FA.

For Boston, no way Crawford would remain in the 3 spot, same with the Yankees and Cano. Still those are both ridiculous.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Ridiculous is why Theo and Cashman would sign PUJOLS! They are both in it to win it and Pujols would play lf/dh AND sing Sweet Caroline if the Sox offered him the most cash! What position a player plays is irrelevent to his paycheck in most situations!

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

First of all, I meant ridiculous in a good way, so chill. Second, paychecks are highly related to positions (check out the DH market). Also, signing Pujols long term to DH (or moving Tex to DH) would hurt the Yankees more defensively than it would hurt teh Red Sox given their 3B situations. We’ll see how Youk does this year at 3rd, but we know ARod’s range is on the decline thanks to his hip and he should only get worse, to the point of being a serious liability in 5 years.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

Also, Lavarnway should be ready to catch for the Sox, and one of the yankees catching prospects would likely take over as starting catcher as well (I’m not sold on Montero in the field).

4 years 6 months ago

lavarnway is just as bad as montero at catcher and his bat isnt nearly on montero’s level to make up for the defensive suckiness

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

While I disagree, about the defense (Lavarnway has made a lot of progress, and is more likely to continue to improve based on his relative inexperience at catcher) that isn’t central to my argument. The Yankees have better defensive options at catcher in their minors, while Boston doesn’t. Based on that, barring trades, Lavarnway is more likely to stick at catcher than Montero.

MaineSox
4 years 6 months ago

That’s not true. While Lavarnway is certainly not good defensively there is still reasonable hope that he improves to the point that he is acceptable behind the plate, the same isn’t generally believed to be true about Montero. Lavarnway also only started learning the catchers position 3 years ago so his defensive development is behind where it would otherwise be.

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

The only problem is that the Yankees line up you proposing would be wasting Texiera’s ability in the field. You would be paying $20 million dollars for a 31 year old DH that has won a couple of Gold Gloves.

The Yankees would probably want to swap Pujols for Texiera. The Cardinals could still field a good team. The only problem is that the Yankees need starting pitching. Any chance that can get Carpenter in that deal?

gursk1989
4 years 6 months ago

But why would you DH the two best fielding first basemen in the game?

aaronanderson16
4 years 6 months ago

I do not understand why everyone puts Pujols at number 4, is that what all American League Teams do. You traditionally put your best power hitter at 4 and your best hitter at three, and with a DH have him hit 3 makes perfect sense, not four. Dropping him down to 4 would make him lose out on about 20 to 30 at bats, wouldnt you want your best hitter getting those at bats, no offense Cano.

TheBunk
4 years 6 months ago

Uhhhh…Blue Jays?

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

Definite possibility. Didn’t they say they expect their payroll to go much higher in the next few years?

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

potentially up t0 150 million if it makes sense.

baseball52
4 years 6 months ago

So then it could be Blue Jays with Pujols=Rangers with A-Rod?

4 years 6 months ago

Pretty sure the jays have a lot more financial flexibility the rangers. I’m going to guess that you probably aren’t familiar with the Rogers corp.

baseball52
4 years 6 months ago

I highly doubt they’ll suddenly identify themselves with baseball’s big money teams. Doesn’t seem realistic.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 6 months ago

I highly doubt you know what you’re talking about. While I doubt Pujols ever comes to Toronto, The Jays have a massive media company as an owner as well as an entire country as their primary market.

They have spent a lot in the past and will again in the future if the team is doing well.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

You clearly haven’t been paying attention to what Toronto ownership has been saying lately.

4 years 6 months ago

You obviously don’t realize how ridiculously much Rogers is charging me for my phone, cable and internet right now. They have tons of money and I think they are the second richest owners in the league behind the Nationals owner so they definitely have the money if it makes sense, and they have emphasized that.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

The Jays can sustain a payroll around $150M. That’s about $90M more than where they are right now according to Cot’s, although closer to $80M more after Bautista signs.

flickadave
4 years 6 months ago

The Card’s better wrap him up before the Cubs can make a run at him or they are going to have to face him 18 times a year.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

As a Red Sox fan, it kills me to see Rosenthal say the Red Sox and Yankees could get creative to land him. Personally, I’m content with Adrian Gonzalez. I would rather have AGon at 7-8 years/150-60M rather than having Pujols at 10/275-300M. I’m not saying AGon is better than Pujols, but he’s one of the top first baseman in the game and there isn’t a HUGE upgrade between him and Pujols.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

That’s kinda been my question about Pujols v.s. Gonzalez. One player will top out at around $20M+ a year and the other at $30M a year. Pujols is easily the best player in the game, but is worth the extra $10M when you already have a solid power hitter?

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Yeah. I mean, of course I’d LOVE for them to have Pujols but I think Gonzo is just as good a fit. It doesn’t seem like the extra 10M a year is worth it at all. Pujols is the greatest, but so was ARod, now look? They eventually decline and for 150M less overall, I’m taking Gonzo anyday.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Of course if this was a video game would could always sign both and move one to DH. Ah fantasy. Also we are leaving out that Boston hasn’t actually signed Gonzalez yet. I fully expect a deal to go down sooner or later.

My bet is if Pujols hits the open market then the Red Sox and yanks will both check on the price possibly make even a token offer but ultimately they’ll just make sure the other team doesn’t get him.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Yes, that’d be nice. And I expect a deal sooner than later, also. Theo finally got his man and it’s clear him, along with ownership (who gave him the green light to acquire two superstars this offseason) are not about to let him walk away.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

If it was a video game, and that was the team, that has 162-0 all over it, maybe even on Hall of Fame difficulty

MLB 11 The Show, 1 month away :)

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Honestly, Yes! Getting Pujols with that current Sox lineup would just about guarantee( if there is such a thing) 3 championships in the next 5 years! Talk about loaded and they have Paps 12, Papi 12.5, Drew 14, Cameron 8, Scutaro 6.5, and lesser players for a minimum 53 million coming off the books! Factor in around a 15 million raise to AGonz still leaves 38 million to play with with and factoring in arb raises to Bard, Buchhloz and Ells( who could be traded in this scenario with Crawford taking over in cf and Kalish in rf and either Lowrie or Iglesias at ss) the Sox could easily add Pujols at 30 million per without paying a luxury tax!

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

It’s about locking up the talent we do have, though. It wouldn’t make sense to shell out the extra money and make it harder to help the team in the future years when Pujols is older.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

As i explained above,(forgot Wakes 3 mil) 56 Million minimum coming off the books will extend AGonz at an extra 15 million, make it possible to sign Pujols at 30 per, and STILL leave 8 million to pay in arb raises for Ellls, Buch, and Bard! Plus 10 million comes off the books in 12 when DiceK is up! Everyone is pretty much in their prime and locked up! This is so simple, even a Caveman could understand this or do I need to write a Ross Perot graph for everyone to understand this!

4 years 6 months ago

Crawford refuses to play CF…you should know this…he’s on your team

El_Bobo
4 years 6 months ago

Source please, I have not heard him say those words

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Hes never said this and for 20 million, he’ll play wherever the hell Tito tells him!

NomarGarciaparra
4 years 6 months ago

As a Sox fan, I agree. Though he’s not Pujols, Gonzalez is good enough. I don’t wanna be stuck with a declining Pujols being paid $30 mil a year towards the end of his contract.

slugga27
4 years 6 months ago

I’m a Sox fan as well, but I’m guessing that Rosenthal thinks the Sox can put Pujols in the outfield (Didn’t he come up as an outfielder?). Youk and A-Gon at the corners, Crawford, Ells, Pujols in the outfield, and let’s not forget Pedroia at second. Sounds like a plan, except for the fact that I don’t feel the Sox will shell out 300 mil for any player.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Yes, he came up as a LF. I see the outlook on that but in all reality, they need that 30M a year for the young players they haven’t locked up yet. It’s an interesting decision but it would kill me to see them cripple themselves with that big a contract.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

The Sox and Yanks will spend whatever it takes to win. Thats why they always sell out and have the best cable deals with YES and NESN in the game! WINNERS make more money than losers and you have to spend to win. And when Theo and Cashman are doing the spending the results is oftentimes championships!

adieuordie
4 years 6 months ago

Pujols can’t play anywhere other than first because of his bad elbow. He can’t handle throwing the ball much more than first base necessitates.

4 years 6 months ago

came up as 3B, then moved to outfielder, yes, but hurt his throwing arm. thats the reason he moved to 1B, and that arm still gives him problems, if you remember he actually had arthroscopic surgery to clean it up last year or 2.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

being creative could just mean moving a current 1B to DH. The Sox have an opening after this season (and should have AGon already locked up), so they could move AGon to DH and sign Pujols for 1B. Yankees could move Tex to DH, but then they’re stuck with ARod at 3rd where his range is already decreasing thanks to the hip injury. I’d say the odds are better that the Sox would get him than the Yankees getting him, but I also think there’s less than a 2% chance of the Sox getting him.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

You just don’t move a guy with a great glove to DH. It’s more complicated than that…

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

And Pujols doesn’t have a great glove? I’ve said this won’t happen, but I have a feeling Pujols wants to field a position and if that’s what it takes to bring him into your line up, you at least entertain the idea.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

To me, it’s a waste to pay Gonzo and extension and have Pujols. The market for Fielder will not shape up the way he thinks. If you think Pujols is a logical option, AGon doesn’t stay. Taking a great fielder and sticking him at DH makes no sense. Fielder is an “okay” fielder, so get them two if that’s going to be the case.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

AGon/Pujols is going to age much better than AGon/Fielder.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

I said, if you think Pujols is a more logical option at 1st, take Fielder to DH. Not AGon/Fielder.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

My bad, I assumed since AGon was already on the team that he would be in the mix. Should have read that more carefully. Pujols/AGon still ages much better, and the SOx have shown a willingness to move great 1B gloves recently (see Youk). Admittedly, moving to DH takes the glove work out of the equation completely, although they could split time at 1B and DH to stay fresher. Also, IMO money is not really a problem for Boston going into 2012, and say $30M for Pujols won’t look as bad in 8 years once contracts begin getting larger again.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

It’s okay, it was a lot of info jammed into one small response. But ya, I get what you’re saying. And it’s not that I believe moneys an issue it’s that I believe they’d be better off financially keeping it to lock up their own young talent, spend on the draft/international free agents etc. I know it’s there, and I know if they spend it they’ll still have money to spend but they’ll have a lot more if they don’t sign him. I guess we both have differing opinions, but just know I respect yours.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

I completely respect yours too. I’m just not convinced (based on recent years) that player salaries impact what Boston allocated to scouting and signing prospects. We certainly have players we will need to lock up (Bard, Buchholz) as well as others who may show that they should be locked up (Kalish, Iglesias, Ranaudo, Lavarnway). I think I just value known commodities more and you value young, cheap talent more. Realistically, we should be able to have some of both, which is why I suspect the Sox will extend AGon, check in on Fielders price (if less than $17.5M a year I think they consider him for DH on a 5 year deal). This would give us an extra ~$12.5M compared to signing Pujols, plus only half of the commitment in years. Personally, I think Fielder will sign for around $125M over 5 years, so I doubt this will happen as well.

Overall, I guess your view is more realistic, while I long for the days a Papi and Manny in their primes in the 3/4 spots. I’m just not convinced of Boston’s ability to produce power hitters from the farm. Hopefully this will change with Lavarnway, and to a lesser extent Kalish. I’d even be happy seeing Rizzo flourish in SD, since it would at least mean we can identify power hitting prospects.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Well we can agree 100% on one thing, THIS SEASON NEEDS TO START! Going to see them at the Fens a couple times and I cannot wait.

RahZid
4 years 6 months ago

Completely agree. I need to set up my annual trip to Boston for this summer (I’ve had to move down to CT for work, I used to go up to Boston every other weekend or so). Way too many unintelligent Yankees and Jets fans around here (I don’t mind the intelligent ones).

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Ah, get on that! I live in RI, so, mostly intelligent Red Sox and Pats fans, lol.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 6 months ago

RI, they literally are home to some of the dumbest sports fans in general

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

Championships make sense!

4 years 6 months ago

your clearly not a red sox fan because your talking like the Red Sox dont have all the money in the world and can’t land any player they want. But you can rest easy, I assure you Pujols will not be a Red Sox.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

When did I say “they don’t have the money”? I said it would be harder to help future Red Sox teams because that’s a lot of money tied up with SP and 3 main players. Sir, I’m a die hard Sox fan. I just believe adding Crawford at 142M over 7 years, and Gonzo who is due for an extension then adding another 250-300M is useless. For the betterment of the teams future, you do not sign him. You stay away and save your money. I know we have the money, but we also have a first baseman who is not far off from Pujols. I’m a fan who thinks rationally. Sorry I don’t live in fantasy land.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

I can totally see the Jays bidding on Pujols next year

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

They would have the money for it, but i doubt they give a guy 300 mm for 10 years , specially if Lind bounces back, they likely would just stay the course with him for much cheaper.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

i suppose. The cost is retardedly high right now, but if it goes down to 8/250~260 I think he’s worth it

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

I Agree on the worth, i mean just having Pujols would be insane for toronto, i just dont see AA thinking that Pujols is worth it considering he will likely decline in 4-5 years. As a fan though, id love for him to give pujols 300 m lol

Andy_B
4 years 6 months ago

The only way Pujols won’t be a cardinal is if someone significantly outbids the Cards which means it will take a 300 million dollar deal to get him.

4 years 6 months ago

I agree and disagree at the same time on the same point, if that makes sense. I also doubt them giving him 10-300 but I could also see it too. If they show a showing in the right direction that they are ready to compete in 2012 why not? All AA has to do is go to Rogers and tell them that they have a chance to get the best player of the generation and it would make them an automatic contender with the other pieces they have and would put butts in the seats. I think it could make sense but it also could not make sense at the same time.

4 years 6 months ago

I hope they do, only so I know that one of Votto’s preferred places to play is taken out of the equation when he hits free agency in 2014

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

He’ll be our DH then!

vonhayesdays
4 years 6 months ago

Votto might want to go LA , he is a lakers fan, I doubt pujols goes to toronto but anything is possible ,

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Only thing is, playing on turf will destroy his legs.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 6 months ago

Meh. It’s said the new turf the Jays have feels much more like grass than it used to. I don’t think that’s a legit excuse anymore.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

I’ve played soccer for a long time, and I will tell you from personal experience, turf is a pain in the @$$. I’ve had multiple sprains, etc, and when I played on turf, the areas quickly became inflamed. While it’s not an excuse, it’s certainly proven fact that turf does in fact affect previous injury areas, etc.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 6 months ago

Quoted from The Star:

That surface strives to combine the best elements of modern FieldTurf and the old-school AstroTurf rugs that were once so common in North American sports. It grips like the original AstoTurf, but its base –a mix of sand and tiny rubber pellets – makes it as soft underfoot as FieldTurf.

dc21892
4 years 6 months ago

Fair enough. Turf just isn’t the same as grass. No matter how good it is. I’ve played on good turf, and it’s still not grass.

ZeroZeroZero
4 years 6 months ago

I can understand him giving them a slight team discount but if hes not one of the top 1-2 paid guys in the league then the team needs to come up

4 years 6 months ago

keep dreaming toronto fans, but it will never happen.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

well jeez, really?

bonestock94
4 years 6 months ago

If I’m the Cardinals I do anything possible not to let him hit the market. It’s gonna get really ugly for them. I’m no GM, but this seems obvious…

Andrew
4 years 6 months ago

I think they should just trade him

baseball52
4 years 6 months ago

Lmao, talk about impossible.

Team: what do you want?
Cards: EVERYTHING!!!

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

I’m pretty sure Pujols has said he’ll exercise his no trade clause.

ultimate913
4 years 6 months ago

“…but Rosenthal posits that either team could get creative in an attempt to land Pujols.”

Red Sox? DH will be open but after that A-Gon extension, I doubt they’ll increase payroll by that much. Yankees? Where would he play? Move Teixeira? Who would take him? What position would Teixeira play? I doubt he’ll accept a trade, since he has a no trade clause.

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

What about the Nationals ? They have money and they need a gate attraction. Forget about Adam LaRoche, you can send him to the Cardinals as part of the package.

Pujols is way better than LaRoche

redsandyanksfan
4 years 6 months ago

If the Yankees want him that bad. I think Tex will move to Left or right.I say right because its a shorter distance to the cutoff man and he played outfield and actually played thrid base,but outfield corners or more likely if they want Pujols that bad.But suprise contenders for him would be the Nationals and the O’s since they bothed pushed for Tex and also the Mariners and Giants..if I’m the Yankees I go fter Prince Fielder if they want a perment Dhhe would launch 45 50 homers a year in that park

MadmanTX
4 years 6 months ago

Everyone wants to throw the Rangers into discussions like these, but unless Greenberg overrules Ryan, they won’t do long term contracts like Nim-rod’s again. 5-7 years would be their top offer, but I doubt that would be good enough. I like the idea of Pujols and Hamilton and Cruz in the same lineup, but I doubt it will ever happen. I see him becoming a Yankee because Teixeira is on a decline and they have the money obviously.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 6 months ago

One off year does not make a player in decline!

vonhayesdays
4 years 6 months ago

I think it will be the sox , they bought everybody this year , why not next year too. my thought is Hal isnt George and wont just open checkbook , seems like new management might be more concerned about profit rather than victory

MikeDroid
4 years 6 months ago

i love how the angels are somehow connected to every FA

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

And they wind up with none.

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

yes, they did. Vernon Wells. He was a free agent right? :p

vonhayesdays
4 years 6 months ago

Probably because, Angels = Low ball offer , and everybody out there needs a bottom bid to start with

Since_77
4 years 6 months ago

If they got Pujols they would be a contender again. If they don’t send Kendry Morales to St. Louis as part of the trade, they can move him to the outfield or 3b.

Also Pujols used to play 3b a few years ago.

chaifetz10
4 years 6 months ago

If Pujols was still capable of playing 3B, he would be the starting 3B for the Cardinals this year. With his elbow issues, why risk his health when he’s a gold glove 1B?

Also, he stated he will use his NTC to veto any and all trades. So sorry, but Angels aren’t trading for him.