Werth Thinks Phillies Could Have Had Him & Lee

The Phillies added one $100MM player this offseason in Cliff Lee, but they lost another in Jayson Werth. The former Phillies outfielder told Paul Hagen of The Philadephia Daily News that he believes the team could have had both he and Lee if they'd planned things out better…

"I think if they would have played it right they would have had us both," said Werth. "I mean, they traded Cliff away for prospects and then realized that was probably not what they should have done. They ended up paying him a lot more than they would have if they'd signed him the year before. Then we would have had him. Chances are if they had signed him before they traded him, it probably would have made it a little easier to sign me."

Werth said that there are no hard feelings and he understands that the game is a business. Once he learned of Philadelphia's interest in Lee, he concluded that he wasn't coming back. "[It] kind of made it seem like they were playing us against each other a little bit," he added.

The 31-year-old Werth signed with the Nationals about ten days before the Phillies brought Lee back.


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79 Comments on "Werth Thinks Phillies Could Have Had Him & Lee"


4 years 6 months ago

Move on.

Sincerely,

A Braves Fan.

They call me Murphy
4 years 6 months ago

Fans of irrelevant teams shouldn’t be making comments

Sincerely,

A Yankees fan

Green_Monster
4 years 6 months ago

Fans of teams with dented starting rotations shouldn’t be making comments

Sincerely,

Brian Cashman

LowcountryJoe
4 years 6 months ago

What do you mean by a “dented rotation”? Honestly, the Yankees have one of the better rotations in baseball!

Respectfully,

A.J. Burnett: #2 Starting Pitcher, New York Yankees.

Green_Monster
4 years 6 months ago

Nicely played.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

Pwned

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Actually, anyone can make a comment.

Sincerely,

Freedom of Speech

Green_Monster
4 years 6 months ago

Ok? Good for you.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Ok. Thanks?

bobulated
4 years 6 months ago

Fans of irrelevant teams that will be fighting it out with the Blue Jays for 3rd in the AL East shouldn’t be making comments
Sincerely,
The Sawx and Rays

roomwithamoose
4 years 6 months ago

how do you know, can you see the future? Can people understand this is, plus/ minus a couple players,same team that went to the playoffs last year right? and a comment saying well if Red SOx weren’t injured, then fine, but that’s something someone from your top 2 could be saying at end of season as well. And irrelevant? If a loss to the blue jays knocks you out of contention I’ll laugh because that’s pretty relevant.

Now, onto actual topic, this does seem like some sour grapes by Werth. You’re aNat focus on winning with them now.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

What makes the Rays better than the Yankees, aside from the rotation? And since when do the best rotations automatically make the playoffs and average rotations automatically miss the playoffs? Twins had a better rotation than the Yankees and got swept. Cardinals had a much better rotation than the Reds and missed the playoffs. A’s had a much better rotation than the Rangers and missed the playoffs. Phillies had the best rotation in the playoffs and didn’t even make it past the 2nd round.

The Yankees have not had a top 10 or so rotation since 2003. They’ve made the playoffs every year since then except 2008.

As I said, a good bullpen and good offense saves a shaky rotation. And possibly if lucky enough, could even win you a WS (See 2000 Yankees and 2006 Cardinals, arguably 2 of the worst teams to win a WS)

4 years 6 months ago

Yankees rotations in previous years have been decent. This year it is down right bad after Sabathia.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

Hughes is FAR from “down right bad”. The key thing the Yankees need is AJ Burnett to bounce back. I certainly can’t expect him to do any Worse than he did last year.

And you couldn’t be any more wrong about the Yankees having decent rotations in recent years

2004- Mussina, Lieber, Brown, Vazquez (101 wins)

2005- Mussina (below average), Randy Johnson (average), Kevin Brown (awful), Carl Pavano (awful), Jaret Wright (HAHA), Chieng-Ming Wang (rookie)

2007- Wang (he did decent), Pettitte (did okay), Mussina (AWFUL), RODJA CLEMMONS (half year, decent), Hughes (rookie), Key Igawa (DO NOT get me started)

4 years 6 months ago

Put Hughes on a team other than the Yankees and he has maybe 10 wins last season. And I don’t think the Rays Rotation is great either. Both Sox teams have better rotations, Tigers, A’s, Rangers, and Angels have better rotations for sure and maybe even the Blue Jays all have better Rotations than the Yankees and Tampa in the AL. And I would say the NL probably has the top 3-4 rotations in the league with the Phillies, Giants, Cardinals(iffy now with Wainwright) and the Braves.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

WOW. You really think I was going based solely on his win totals? The kid is 24 years old and you’re already calling a young pitcher garbage? I’m not saying he’s great or anything, but he is far from garbage.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

Plus I can also say that the Rays rotation is nothing more than average after Price. Shields is terrible. Niemean is average, Davis going into his 2nd full year is decent. Hellickson is a rookie although I think he’s going to do good but lets wait and see

Is it better than the Yankees? Of course. But I’d take other AL rotations over the A’s, including the Athletics (best in the AL), Red Sox (if healthy), and White Sox.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

By the way I’m not defending Murphy’s comment, I think he’s stupid for saying that. I’m just simply asking why you think the Rays will finish ahead of the Yankees.

bobulated
4 years 6 months ago

Umm, cause they have much better SP and one of the best young lineups in baseball?

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

Okay. Well I think the Yankees will still finish at least 5-6 games better than the Rays. Red Sox take the divisoin. But hey this is baseball and we know anything can happen, so let’s wait and see I suppose.

Motor_City_Bombshell
4 years 6 months ago

How contradictory is this comment? You say an irrelevant teams’ fan shouldn’t make comments, and yet you do. Way to be dumb.

Sincerely,

Me.

East Coast Bias
4 years 6 months ago

Riiiiiight, since he made a dumb comment by saying the Braves are irrelevant, you’re going to make an even dumber comment by saying the Yankees are irrelevant? C’mon man…

Motor_City_Bombshell
4 years 6 months ago

Irrelevant to this post was what I was implying. I’m not stupid.

4 years 6 months ago

irrelevant? what are you smoking?

4 years 6 months ago

Sending the wrong message to your NEW team. Stop focusing on the past(phillies) focus are the team your on and help them win.

not_brooks
4 years 6 months ago

Shortly after he signed with the Nationals, Werth realized that his best days are behind him, back there with the ’07-’10 Phillies.

Those Phillies were easily the best team in baseball over the past four seasons: Four straight NL East titles, three straight NLCS appearances, two World Series appearances, one World Series win.

Now he’s playing for a team that will be lucky to win 70 games. And that teams’ future depends on a pitcher recovering from Tommy John surgery and a prospect who hasn’t even played a professional game yet.

If you were Werth, you’d probably be wishing you could use that $126MM to build a time machine as well.

bleachercreature
4 years 6 months ago

what the hell is this man talking about? played them against each other? Werth jumped at the first mega deal he saw, months before the Phillies were even interested in Lee. They just didn’t want to pay you buddy, sorry. You’re a glorified 4th outfielder with 2 good years under your belt and a lot of luck. Have fun for the next 7 years…

They call me Murphy
4 years 6 months ago

Maybe you should learn to read a little better – “The 31-year-old Werth signed with the Nationals about ten days before the Phillies brought Lee back.”

Ten days is not “months” – It’s ten days. Obviously Werth knew they were going after Lee by then. Shut up.

ejr
4 years 6 months ago

actually, Ruben Amaro has said that the reality of getting Lee hit only about four days before they signed him. It’s still not months, but I doubt that Amaro would have called up Werth — a free agent — and said “Hey, I’m going to swoop in to get Lee in a few days.”

notsureifsrs
4 years 6 months ago

that would have been pretty badass if he had, though

4 years 6 months ago

Werth is a little shortsighted here. If the Phillies didn’t trade Lee, they wouldn’t have gotten Halliday. They might not have gotten Oswalt. Would you rather have Holliday, Lee, and Oswalt, or Lee and Werth?

I think young Dominic Brown and others can at least cover close to Werth’s production and the other guys in the lineup can surely pick up the slack. Not to mention the runs saved with the pitching trio above.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

HALLADAY

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 6 months ago

um… Werth’s not a 100 M dollar player. At least, he shouldn’t be.

4 years 6 months ago

I doubt he would have put up the numbers he has over the past few years if he didn’t play his home games in Citizens Bank Park.

4 years 6 months ago

You do realize Werth’s last home run with the Phillies was an opposite way homerun in AT&T’s right field? As a team in 2009 they hit more hr’s on the road than at home.

ejr
4 years 6 months ago

I looked up his splits and it’s weird — last year he was WAY better at home. struck out a ton more on the road. had a .999 OPS at home vs. .838 on the road.

In 2009 he still had more power at home, but otherwise had decent road numbers. is OPS+ was nearly identical for road/home. (His BABIP at home was below average, so that may explain something).

In 2008, he was better on the road, including in power numbers. but his OPS at home was simply lower than in 09 & 10 — it’s not like he ever lights it up on the road.

I suspect he made adjustments to hitting at CBP to take advantage. Wonder how long it will take for him to adjust to DC.

Bender44
4 years 6 months ago

CBP was actually pretty much middle of the pack last year as far as overall park factors are concerned (16th). 12th in 2009. 15th in 2008.

While it looks like it should be a hitters park, it really doesn’t play that way.

MB923
4 years 6 months ago

For what stat(s) are those?

Bender44
4 years 6 months ago

ESPN Park Factors which compares overall runs by the home team and away team versus their stats on the road. I replied with some more detail earlier but I included the link so I guess it has to be approved. Long story short, based on that ranking, CBP is middle of the pack in runs and a bit above average in HR’s. Not commenting on the validiaty of the formula as a good gauge or not. But thats what ESPN uses at least.

4 years 6 months ago

What’d you do Jayson, steal copies of their bank records? They clearly weren’t willing to overpay for a guy with 2 good years out of 8. Focus on willing this season and the 6 thereafter with Washington, be proud to do so, and move on.

JTT11
4 years 6 months ago

Na they rather spend more on a player who has 3 good years out of 9 and whose skills and ability will deplete faster.

4 years 6 months ago

If you’re a baseball player and you have an interest in remaining with your team and taking loyality & integrity over a bank heist pay day on a horrible team…….why the hell would you choose Scott Boras as your agent??!!?? Jayson has his ring and couldn’t care less about anything that isn’t green. Its called saving face and Werth just did the lamest attempt at it.

bobulated
4 years 6 months ago

And the Phillies were never going to give a late bloomer silly money like Werth got from the Nats in the first place. Be happy Jayson, the Nats will be competitive in a couples of seasons and your contract will be the anchor that drags them back from adding some needed pieces to get into playoff contention.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 6 months ago

I’d say Cliff Lee was a relatively late bloomer as well

phoenix2042
4 years 6 months ago

but could they have kept werth, lee and halladay? that’s the big question. you can only have so many players making 20mil+ a year on one team…

4 years 6 months ago

he’s delusional.

4 years 6 months ago

Jayson Werth, just shut up.

Jason Klinger
4 years 6 months ago

Seconded. The guy seems to have buyer’s remorse and is clearly annoyed that he is no longer in red pinstripes. Phillies and Werth made their decisions. Time to move on.

Average_Joseph
4 years 6 months ago

I seem to remember a question being asked about giving the Phillies a “hometown discount” and the answer being “I’m from Illinois.” Enjoy D.C.

PairFace
4 years 6 months ago

Nats fans must be thrilled that their club paid all this money out to a guy that wishes he was still on his old team…3 days into Spring Training.

Werth was a nice player for the Phils. Excellent defender and good protection for Howard. But he’s not worth nearly what the Nats are paying him, because imo, he’s not a guy that’s going to carry an offense for long stretches.

He’s a good supporting actor…just not “The Man”.

myname_989
4 years 6 months ago

They could have. All he had to do was turn down six years and about $113 million and accept arbitration.

Of course, I’m kidding. But I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again—Jayson Werth is going to talk himself right out of being a fan favorite here in Philly. He’s being paid to be a mentor on a young team, and all he’s doing is running his mouth and setting a bad example. Nyger Morgan 2.0.

O971
4 years 6 months ago

Apparently $126M doesn’t buy you loyalty or any sort of tact with the media.

JohnKruksWaistline
4 years 6 months ago

Werth’s exposing himself as a big wiener.

David C. Ruckman
4 years 6 months ago

Not sure splitting hairs over the decisions of your former team is really Werth it. And….I just punched myself for typing that. But it’s true.

phillyphan26
4 years 6 months ago

I wonder if Werth saw the cartoon you tube video and just got really mad… He obviously is still bitter see you in April Jayson!

baybombers
4 years 6 months ago

a little bit of wishful thinking, werth needs to focus on hitting doc and the 1-2-3 inning boys.

Hoosierdaddy92
4 years 6 months ago

Actually I think Werth may not be that far off. If Philly had offered Raul Ibanez, Joe Blanton, and Dominic Brown in a trade for a low-cost LF or reliever, they could have afforded Werth if they really wanted to. But why add ANOTHER 20MM dollar player longterm when you can have 2 players making 20MM combined short term and one that can match Werth’s production making league minimum for 3 years? If he were the face of the franchise, perhaps. But he’s only the face of the Geico commercials.