Trade Candidate: Jose Reyes

Good shortstops are always in demand, especially midseason. The number of contending teams in need of infield help almost always outweighs the number of quality MLB shortstops, so it stands to reason that a team not expecting to contend would be open to dealing its shortstop in the right situation. That's likely to be the scenario that we'll see this summer with the Mets and Jose Reyes.

Reyes, 28 in June, signed a four-year deal in August of 2006, and the Mets exercised their $11MM option this past offseason. Reyes hit the disabled list last year due to a thyroid issue after missing most of 2009 with a hamstring injury. He also battled through oblique strains over the course of the 2010 season, but appears healthy now. He's off to a nice .304/.333/.478 start with five stolen bases in five attempts.

Vintage form would see the switch-hitting Reyes as a 60-70 SB threat capable of hitting around 15 home runs while playing solid defense. That type of production would have teams lining up, but even with a more pedestrian season (by his standards), Reyes should attract significant attention at the deadline.

One knock on Reyes may be his career OBP of just .335, which the Mets said they'd like him to improve before considering a new deal. That OBP and his injury history may have been contributing factors in the recent Jayson Stark report that quoted one NL scout saying he'd recommend Reyes on a two-month rental, but not on a long-term deal. That may be just what's in store, as a month ago when Joel Sherman talked to five non-Met executives, not a single one saw Reyes returning to the Mets in 2012. So where might he end up? Let's look at some possible destinations:

  • Milwaukee – The Brewers are stuck with Yuniesky Betancourt as their primary shortstop for the time being, so it stands to reason they'd look to upgrade at the deadline. Their farm systems have been picked pretty clean by the Shaun Marcum and Zack Greinke trades, however.
  • San Francisco – The Giants are trusting Miguel Tejada and his nearly 37-year-old frame to be their everyday shortstop, and they don't have much in terms of contingency plans. Tejada's defense and OBP woes may have San Francisco looking for external options come July.
  • Cincinnati – The Reds are going with Paul Janish and Edgar Renteria to fill out their shortstop position, but they've looked for a leadoff hitter and a more concrete solution at short in the past. Reyes could fill both of those roles on a short-term basis in 2011 as they look to defend the NL Central title.
  • Minnesota – If the Twins can turn around their terrible start to the 2011 season, they could certainly use an upgrade over Alexi Casilla at shortstop. With newcomer Tsuyoshi Nishioka on the shelf, their middle infield depth is particularly weak at the moment. The Twins were said to be at their payroll limit entering the season, however.
  • St. Louis – Ryan Theriot and Skip Schumaker are currently playing up the middle for Tony La Russa, so it's not a stretch to see the Cardinals in search of a midseason improvement if they can remain in contention without Adam Wainwright. Like Minnesota, we heard that the Cardinals were low on funds late in the offseason.

Of course, injuries and other factors could lead other teams to enter the running for Reyes, as he currently only represents a midseason rental. The Mets will likely have a steep asking price for the three-time All Star, but teams are willing to part with elite prospects to make short-term pushes every year; 2011 should be no different.


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69 Comments on "Trade Candidate: Jose Reyes"


Guest
4 years 2 months ago

if the Brewers had Reyes,they have a yankee’s caliber lineup for a third the price.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

And a better starting rotation…

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Stallis10
4 years 2 months ago

The Brewers would have the best Line-up in the NL if they would get Reyes and start Morgan instead of Gomez

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MetsEventually
4 years 2 months ago

I see Zach Wheeler center piece for Reyes or a Homer Bailey+Yasmani Grandal trade for Reyes

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Edwin Hernandez
4 years 2 months ago

Most NYM fans are concerned that Jose may well be playing his last year for the team. If we look at Jose’s history, it is clear that when healthy, he is exceptional. Many teams can use his services and a select few can afford to be invited to the pending auction. In signing any player of Jose’s caliber at this point in his career, suitors will have to compete with other teams, offer prospects and then, gamble that health issues for him, are a thing of the past.
What about the motives of potential future employers? Is this venture a Book of The Month deal? Perhaps it may be a long term commitment. Either way, an element of risk comes with the transaction. As I have observed over the years, health is one thing, but not the only factor in the equation. Character, while not part of a player’s record, is certainly a part of what defines a person. Let’s examine both factors in brief detail.
Jose is injury prone, fragile and not, logically, a stranger to durability. The fact is, when Jose gets hurt, it is more about months to recovery, as opposed to days or even weeks. Granted, the DL is part of the game, and I believe that his everyday effort is only surpassed by his popularity. The reality is that he may break down again and he’s older, too. This is enough to make any buyer skeptical.
Character is made up of, among others, assets such as motivation, honesty , pride, selflessness, compassion and integrity. This is part of Jose’s makeup. While I do not know the man personally, he probably is blessed with many of these attributes. This is not what bothers me, though.
Jose does not fully utilize his many God-given talents. I bet that if he really wanted to, Jose could be another Ichiro or Brett Butler, etc. While no Ricky Henderson, I believe that Jose may have been one of the great ones.It is about getting on base, stealing bases and causing havoc. Bunting, hitting the ball on the ground and stealing bases is what he should be doing. The threat of a bunt has more value than hitting line drives or swinging for the fences and coming up just short every time. When I see Jose come up to bat and fly out, I think of another potentially lost rally. The object is to get on base and Mr. Reyes still doesn’t get it. Where is the willingness to recognize limitations and exploit strengths?
Yes, he will be traded and soon. The Mets signed a player of a lifetime. I wish him well and hope that both teams prosper. He will be missed, just as when we traded Seaver and Ryan.

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$1519287
4 years 2 months ago

please use paragraphs.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

I would love to see Reyes on the Cardinals, but I’d rather them wait til he hits free agency. I don’t like the idea of giving up top prospects for rentals. Plus, there are medical reports on Reyes that would suggest a fast downturn in Reyes’ career (don’t ask for a link. I saw it on this website during the offseason). I don’t think he’ll get much more than what he makes now.

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jakec77
4 years 2 months ago

Ok, but what can the Mets reasonably expect as a return on a J Reyes rental?

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RazorShines
4 years 2 months ago

What’s funny about all this is Reyed wants to be a Met, he says he only wants to play next to David Wright, loves New York, loves the organization that took him from the poor Dominican to the paradise of America and loves the fans. It seems Reyes and Mets fans are the only people who knows he’s not going anywhere

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

giants cant afford him, dont be stupid

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

i think its going to be a big trade between the mets and A’s alderson and bean are good frinds and oakland will be in the race for the al west and need bats i could see reyes,wright,and beltran if not all 2 of the 3 for sure

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RazorShines
4 years 2 months ago

Wright will never be traded, he’s the franchise and they lose their whole fan base if he’s traded, which ultimately means money, dont be stupid

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

wow must be a mets fan but just so u know when teams suck wich the mets do they trade thier good players away and get good youg players in return and rebuild and if u notice david wright to oakland is a hot roumor that could happen i did not say it would ill try not to be stupid mister baseball expert

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

I know they are stuck with Betancourt but Milwaukee’s minor league system is a bit lacking these days. Gamel should be untouchable and “replace” Fielder next year. Who else? Parra? No way they should be first on this list of potential matches for a Reyes trade…

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frogger6
4 years 2 months ago

I have a feeling gamel is not untouchable. The brewers have some decent young pitching prospects to combine with gamel… It just depends on what their w/l record is and what they want to give up

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4 years 2 months ago

The Reds make the most since for Reyes. Then they can send K-Rod to the Rangers to be their 8th inning guy (no extension). Then they can look to unload Beltran and start over.

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4 years 2 months ago

Imagine what the Mets could get from the Reds who have a plethora of starters, young catchers, Yonder Alonso, and all around depth at all other positions in the minor leagues

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4 years 2 months ago

I could see the Angels getting in on him if they are in first place or a close 2nd.

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cookmeister
4 years 2 months ago

i agree. i think it really depends on How Izturis and Aybar are playing (as of now, Aybar had a good start but is on the DL, and Izturis is tearing it up).

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3runhomer
4 years 2 months ago

I agree that Reyes will be sought after, but if I am a GM, I would be much more willing to depart with elite prospects to trade for Stephen Drew. Drew is under contract for 2012 as well, and I feel Drew is a more prized hitter than Reyes. I think Drew will be one of the most sought after players come mid summer!

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4 years 2 months ago

But Reyes is a game-changer. He has a good bat, great speed, and good defense. He steals bases in timely situations and often just whenever he feels like it. I would love to see my Twins trade for Reyes and somehow, considering we do have the funds to, re-sign him after the season ends and have one of the best shortstops in the game of baseball.

1. CF- Span
2. SS- Reyes
3. C- Mauer
4. 1B- Morneau
5. LF- D. Young
6. DH- Kubel
7. RF- Cuddyer
8. 3B- Valencia
9. 2B- Nishioka/Casilla/Hughes

The addition of Reyes makes the whole lineup better.

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

the top of that lineup looks fun. what are you prepared to give up?

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Victor Kipp
4 years 2 months ago

There are a lot of possibilities here. Every team out there knows the Mets are in a tough spot financially and if they fall out badly in terms of standings no team will give the Mets anything of real value for him. I could see….Red Sox, Yankees, Tigers, Angels, Texas, SF, ARI, and Min as teams that have the resources to acquire Reyes. Its unlikely any NL East team would be able to get the Mets to trade him to them, however…in a fire sale it doesn’t really matter cuz your basically blowing up the whole damn team any way. before this season started I wanted the Mets to turn things around but I now see that the best course of action is to trade everybody they can. Hopefully the Wilpons sell the team so one day the Mets can get some dignity back and be relevant.

Signed Red Sox fan

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Kyle
4 years 2 months ago

One team missing here would be the Dodgers, but perhaps it’d be more accurate to suggest they’d be interested in signing him long term after the season, cuz this season should really blow for the Blue.

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Vmmercan
4 years 2 months ago

And what do I base it on besides a 1 billion dollar lawsuit and legal accusation issues on the people signing the pay checks? The fact it was Alderson they hired. A MLB front office guy who made his bones on small market teams. Alderson coming on board to me is nothing more than a Donnie Walsh job. He’s being hired to gut the team, rebuilt it and restore order for a big market team somewhere down the line. That’s his specialty and the whole moneyball background just adds to the fact Reyes doesn’t fit those plans.

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4 years 2 months ago

Twins are not at payroll limits. That is just a bunch of garbage they made $26 million last year and can add a piece for the right price. Target Field is a cash cow and they know it, but want everyone to keep thinking they are a small market team when their payroll is over $100 million.

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twins33
4 years 2 months ago

I agree it’s not true, but it’s also not a move that they would make. Twins said they wouldn’t add more at the beginning of the season so they are able to spend during the season if they have to. One of the reasons Pavano re-signed.

But I definitely do not see them going for Reyes, especially since he’s a rental.

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Reign Delay
4 years 2 months ago

So do you think they are likely to go after Reyes?

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

They should, but won’t. That’s the normal Twins front office mentality.

2010: We SHOULD trade for Cliff Lee…but we WON’T.
2010: We SHOULD hold on to Wilson Ramos just in case Mauer gets hurt…but we WON’T.
2011 off-season: We SHOULD trade for Zach Greinke…but we WON”T.
2011: …??

We will see.

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Vmmercan
4 years 2 months ago

I think there’s a 0% chance Reyes is a Met next year. You can say all you want about what market they fit under but right now their market is non-existent. You don’t even know if their owners can still be owners a year or two from now. I know some people like to come out and shoot occasional optimism but the Mets’ franchise beyond what they put on the field is a disaster and that’s where the real crisis is. They may be able to hold onto one of Wright or Reyes (and in that case it will 100% be Wright) but not both. If they were wise they would try to rebuild some farm system by trading him at the deadline.

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ARod's Ring
4 years 2 months ago

Imagine, Elsbury, Crawford and Reyes. As a Yankee fan I would jump off my window.

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phoenix2042
4 years 2 months ago

As a Yankees fan, I wouldn’t mind Reyes as Jeter’s replacement at shortstop. Although I wouldn’t want him for more than 3-5 years because much of his game relies on defense and speed, which will decline quite a bit when he hits his thirties. He actually reminds me a lot of Crawford: Blinding speed, medium power (in the teens for HR), and great defense. Basically the same age as well. And that kind of player loses their value once their speed drops (both defense and SB), and Reyes doesn’t have the OBP or power to develop even decent “old player skills” in the latter years of the contract. Still I would love to have him for 3-5 years max.

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Infield Fly
4 years 2 months ago

As a Yankee fan I would jump off my window.

HAH! Mets fans are getting ready to jump just reading that! 😀

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ARod's Ring
4 years 2 months ago

it would make sense for Boston.

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phoenix2042
4 years 2 months ago

I think Boston’s lineup is fine. They’ve got massive power and some blinding speed guys in Crawford and Elsbury. What they really need is pitching and maybe a catcher if they decide Salty can’t cut it. No need to overpay for Reyes with prospects ready to step up and more pressing needs.

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East Coast Bias
4 years 2 months ago

Don’t they have a top notch shortstop almost ready for the majors? Even shares the same first name.

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

lowrie’s pretty ok himself

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muskyfish
4 years 2 months ago

My gut still says he is in New York for a long time. The moneyball aspect of his OBP is overrated in this case. You can’t sit around and wait for the three-run bomb anymore, game changers are back. If he can his walks back up a bit, it just means he will be a better player, but I don’t think its essential to being resigned. He is perfect for that park and that team. I can’t imagine they want to compound the 2nd base trouble by going in that direction at SS too. He is a fan favorite, who can start rallies and win games. He is still young. Finally, this regime will not constantly give away 1st round picks to sign overpriced FAs…. so a quick replacement is not readily available.

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

a good OBP may not be essential to being signed for a player with reyes’ tools, but it absolutely is essential to being worth signing. a top of the order bat simply must must must get on base at a good rate

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East Coast Bias
4 years 2 months ago

I think the Mets should extend him instead of trading him.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

I know he’s an exciting player, but there comes a point where its better to part ways for your future. Reyes already has leg problems, his game is based on speed, he’s not a good base stealer (he’s just really fast which makes up for his terrible jumps and stupid tell he has on first, which he could lose soon also can he pleeease steal before the 4th pitch of an at bat?) players whose game is based on speed peak at 27; and this is just me…he’s starting to remind me of manny.

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Infield Fly
4 years 2 months ago

and this is just me…he’s starting to remind me of manny.

Ugh! It IS you because aside from the hairstyle (which many players have now, i.e.: Andrew McCutcheon, who is much closer to José’s build) there’s not much “Mannyness” about José (Manny was allergic to hustle on your average day, and definitely his game was not about speed or basestealing…to say the least!). Unlike Manny, José is not an enigma – even to his teammates – like Manny was, and while he makes his mistakes sometimes, he sure isn’t a butcher…which is more than Manny could say. :p

The rest of what you said made sense, even if it did bum me out!

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

jose is an exciting player and he’s a pleasure to watch when he’s on his game. i do think he represents a substantial risk for the mets if they are the ones that give him the long-term deal he’ll be seeking. but some risks are worth taking

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phoenix2042
4 years 2 months ago

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but are you or aren’t you in favor of Mets extending Reyes? Do you think any long term deal for him at what would be his “fair” or realistic market price is a good idea? Because you say, “but some risks are worth taking.” And then right below, “a good OBP may not be essential to being signed for a player with reyes’ tools, but it absolutely is essential to being worth signing. a top of the order bat simply must must must get on base at a good rate.” So is he worth it, in your opinion?

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

assuming a 2006-2008 caliber performance (.360ish wOBA) this year, yes i’d say the mets should take the risk

assuming an early-years caliber performance (solid average, sub-.330 wOBA), i’d say no

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guydavis
4 years 2 months ago

way to dodge the question, dude.

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Infield Fly
4 years 2 months ago

Couldn’t have said it better!

And just who do Wilpon & Co. think is going to replace the revenue José brings in just by being José? (not Manny, ha ha!). I can’t think of one player…especially if the plan is not to spend big going forward.

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andrewmets9
4 years 2 months ago

When did Manny get 60+ stolen bases. when did Manny hit leadoff for 6 straight years. When was Manny called a great defensive player. When was there a term called a “manny run”. When Reyes is at his best, he is a top 10 player, no question about it.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Ok I’ll play along. When did Jose Reyes ever hit 40+ home runs, or 100+ RBI’s, or an OBP of .400+, or have a SLG of .600+, or an AVG of .310+, or a BABIP of .325+, or a wOBA of .400+? When did Jose Reyes ever hit cleanup in a batting order? If you go to runs scored they both are usually good for 100+. If you go to WAR, Manny’s highest is 7.5 and Reyes’ is 6.

When Manny was at the top of his game the only hitters you could argue were better were Albert Pujols, A-Rod, and Miguel Cabrera. And in yet Manny could be argued to be better (except for Pujols).

Look man, they are completely different players. One is a great power hitter and really weak defender and the other is a great base runner and good defender. Manny couldn’t ever steal 60+ bases and Reyes will never hit 40 home runs. I understand Manny’s defense sucks but if it weren’t for the steroids that he got caught taking over the last couple of years he would be a lock for the HOF, no questions asked. Statistically speaking Manny is one of the best hitters to ever play the game whether you want to admit it or not. The only way I would take Reyes in his prime over Manny in his prime is if my team was stacked with power hitters and had no speed.

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andrewmets9
4 years 2 months ago

STEROIDS. enough said.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Please don’t tell me you’re one of those people who thinks that just because a player was caught using steroids once that that means he must have taken steroids his whole career..

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gornie
4 years 2 months ago

Please don’t tell me you’re one of those people who thinks that just because a major leaguer hasn’t gotten caught means that he’s been clean his whole career. Heck, Jose Reyes is as questionable as anyone while we’re on this topic…now I’m not saying I know he juiced, but by some estimates 80% of the league was juicing less than a decade ago.

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stl_cards16
4 years 2 months ago

Twice. While I think people overreact to someone using steroids. Manny did get CAUGHT twice.

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JaySchu
4 years 2 months ago

Three times. He also failed the initial test that MLB conducted prior to banning steroids and instituting in-season drug testing.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Right. I should have put twice, my bad. But it’s the fact that it’s at the end of his career and that him getting caught using steroids shouldn’t translate to the rest of his career. If he had used them earlier in his career I’m sure somethings would have come out already. He’s one of those players who proved he didn’t need steroids to be good.

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stl_cards16
4 years 2 months ago

“He’s one of those players who proved he didn’t need steroids to be good.”

That’s the sad thing about this era though, we will never know. We don’t know how long he used them. There are more than likely ALOT of players that people say “Oh he would of never used steroids” that did use them. I’m sure there are also alot of players that some people guess/assume they used steroids, that never did.

I hate when people guess or assume someone used steroids just because of their build or their stats or what age they started producing or declining. But when a guy has been caught doing it, you can’t give him a free pass. By the way, I still believe Manny should be in the HOF.

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notsureifsrs
4 years 2 months ago

because you sounded so sure, i just checked. reyes has never been a top 10 player

at his best in 2008 (6 WAR), he was the 14th most valuable player in baseball. manny, incidentally, was 11th that year

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RAYS7
4 years 2 months ago

If you think about it , he would make a good fit for the Rays . So would K-Rod

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4 years 2 months ago

Imagine if the mets could dump K-Rod on any team, pay all his salary, I don’t care. I hope that’s sandy’s plan dump K-rod on a team with a closer already mid season so we can stop worrying about his games completed countdown.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Maybe the Dodgers?

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baseballjoneser
4 years 2 months ago

Okay. Okay. We’ll take Reyes in San Francisco. But only because you asked nicely. And in return? A classic. Te-ja-da. Just rolls off the tongue. You’re welcome.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Not every team was as involved in trade talks like the Twins were though.

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Infield Fly
4 years 2 months ago

I don’t care what the majority says, ECB (and Wonderboy’!). I’m with you (of course you knew that). And hey, did we not just see a serious episode of the majority being wrong in the cases of Cliff Lee & Jason Werth (also to some degree, Carl Crawford)?! The truth is anything can happen, so while hope may be slim, at least there is some! 😉

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Vmmercan
4 years 2 months ago

And in case you don’t believe me, take this excerpt from Forbes this past winter:

“Ever since he bought controlling interest of the New York Mets in 2002, Fred Wilpon has used leverage to juice his MLB franchise. He borrowed heavily to buy out Nelson Doubleday, even promising his former partner tens of millions of dollars if the Mets ever moved into a new ballpark (they did, with Citi Field opening in 2009). His team is also on the hook for $40 million a year in debt service tied to the bonds used to finance Citi Field (the bonds now carry a junk rating).
Now all this debt could very well come crashing down on Wilpon as a result of his involvement with Bernie Madoff. As I wrote earlier, the Mets and their lease to Citi Field are worth about $845 million. But there is $375 million of debt attached to the Mets franchise and $695 million tied to the ballpark, leaving these assets with an aggregate negative book value of $225 million.”

If they don’t find minority owners or come off scot free from this lawsuit, they are in very, very big trouble

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Vmmercan
4 years 2 months ago

That’s a foolish sentiment. The Wilpons are extremely wealthy because they have invaluable assets of real estate. Well guess what? The Mets are losing money every year and have a giant new stadium with nobody in it and they have all their money in real estate and investments. Investments being investigated with a giant lawsuit looming over them and real estate where selling those off would kill their net worth seeing as the housing market is still in the dumps.

So no, it’s not as easy as saying “the owners are extremely wealthy” they may bleed “Mets” but they aren’t going to go broke over them and they are still businessmen. The Mets, right now, are a bad investment, and they’re not going to panic on their owner assets to make up for it.

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East Coast Bias
4 years 2 months ago

You’re not the only one. In fact, I think the large majority sees it that way. I just think it isn’t as much as a forgone conclusion as everyone wants to make it out to be. Hopefully everyone is wrong and you and I are right lol.

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East Coast Bias
4 years 2 months ago

Ah, so what you meant to say was “WonderboyRooney10 disagrees.” Cool.

Let’s see how he plays means exactly that.

I know the Wilpons are having financial problems, but they’re the Mets, not exactly a small market team. They can build around Wright and Reyes for the long run, especially when quality shortstops are at such a rarity. Unless there are can’t miss prospects included, I hold on to Reyes.

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East Coast Bias
4 years 2 months ago

what? Where did Alderson say that?

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Infield Fly
4 years 2 months ago

I think my answer would be, “Ugh! Kill me now!!” :((
I LIVE to watch him tear up the bases…and the absolute “cannon” he has for an arm doesn’t exactly bum me out either!!