Yankees Made New Offer To Sabathia

The Yankees officially submitted a new contract offer to C.C. Sabathia over the weekend, according to Wallace Matthews of ESPNNewYork.com. The terms of the offer were not disclosed, but Matthews writes that Yankees insiders still expect Sabathia to test the free agent market despite the proposal. Sabathia has yet to respond to the offer, says Matthews' source:

"We believe it is a very fair offer,'' the executive said. "But we haven't heard anything back yet.''

That report lines up with a tweet from SI.com's Jon Heyman earlier today, who said that Sabathia is planning on opting out of his contract prior to Monday night. It's been well publicized that Sabathia is likely to opt out of the remaining four years of his contract in search of a bigger, potentially record-setting deal. As Ben Nicholson-Smith pointed out in examining the Yankees' offseason, their success hinges on the ability to construct a strong rotation, and Sabathia is the key to that process.

To track Sabathia's progress, or that of any other free agent, check out MLBTR's Free Agent Tracker.


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128 Comments on "Yankees Made New Offer To Sabathia"


Andrew Rosner
3 years 10 months ago

Expect the Yankees offer to go up from whatever they offered…Some team will offer more and CC’s agent is going to get the most out of NY…

3 years 10 months ago

Oh okay. I could have sworn the Yankees would have offered less than what they did, in hopes of locking him up as fast as possible

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

How can you say that when you have no idea what the initial offer was? As it is, how many teams were willing to offer what the Yanks offered him 3 years ago when he was 3 years younger?

After the Lackey/Crawford fiasco I’m not sure the Sox would do more than kick the tires to drive up the price.

The Angels might make a run but I doubt it as they are already at $140 mil and don’t have a major need for more pitching. In fact, they might want to look at extending Haren and Santana instead of spending $23 mil +per on Sabathia.

The Phillies will probably focus on offense.

The Mets and Dodgers seem unlikely.

And I can’t see the difference between what the Yankees might offer and what the Nats or Cubs might offer being significant enough for him to want to play in a non-competitive environment.

The Rangers might be the only team that I would take serious but even they have major concerns to think of too.

Sabathia > Wilson (because of track record) but Wilson was VERY good this year and could be had for a lot less than CC. They could probably save $50-$70 mil by signing CJ for 5/$90. Can they afford to sign both CJ and CC?

Hamilton is a free agent after 2012.

Kinsler, Cruz and Napoli are free agents after 2013.

I know the Rangers have money but can they keep the core together past 2012/13 AND add Sabathia?

johnsilver
3 years 10 months ago

I seriously doubt Boston will do anything more than have precursory talks with his agent. Boston has 3 #1-2’s and needs 2 back SP rather than one of the best SP’s in the game, it would be a awful waste of resources for them.

I could see them looking at Buehrle if he will sign cheap, or look at a trade, but not Sabathia. Sox fans thinking that are not being rational at all.

3 years 10 months ago

CC signing right now would turn this years pitching free agent class from “thin” to “hideous”

wickedkevin
3 years 10 months ago

Roy Oswalt helps it out a bit.

jjs91
3 years 10 months ago

Nah he’s only been ok the past two years and has had back problems so sever they have made question how long he wants to continue playing. So not exactly a good option. 

Biggio3000
3 years 10 months ago

Last year he was decent but had the back problems but the year before he had a 1.74 ERA with the Phillies and his WHIP was 1.025 which was the lowest in the league. He’s still a really good pitcher.

NickinIthaca
3 years 10 months ago

Thank you….  Apparently he’s still an above average AND underrated pitcher.

Lastings
3 years 10 months ago

Don’t you mean “obese?”

tacko
3 years 10 months ago

Duh-dum, tiss.

Ta-Kuan Fuan
3 years 10 months ago

Actually even without Sabathia, this year’s FA pitching class is still much stronger than in recent years past. CJ Wilson, Mark Buehrle, Roy Oswalt, Yu Darvish, Edwin Jackson… 

3 years 10 months ago

Do you know anybody thats getting excited about Edwin Jackson possibly coming to their team?

3 years 10 months ago

i’d be excited only because he always gets traded for really shiny things

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

I would! A 28 year old hard throwing pitcher who has been durable and has had 4 consecutive years with a declining FIP including a 3.55 last year? I’ll take him if he can be had for something like 3/$40. 

Yankees420
3 years 10 months ago

But can he really be had for 3/40? I mean with the market pretty thin, he’s about the 6th best option out there.  He should be able to get 5/70 due to his age. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

It’s a slim chance but those are the conditions that make it a no brainer. Not saying he’s the next “Oliver Perez” but he’s had similar concerns as OP did and that’s a comparable offer to what he signed.

Yankees420
3 years 10 months ago

Yeah, I agree that anyone that signs him to a 3/40 deal will get their moneys worth, I just think that he’ll be able to get at least 4 years, possibly 5.  

bigpat
3 years 10 months ago

I feel like there’s a 5% chance at most he’d sign anywhere other than NY anyways, no big deal. 

wickedkevin
3 years 10 months ago

Did it take me way too long to finally change my name and add an avatar?
-Kevin

JacksTigers
3 years 10 months ago

While I’m sure that the Yankee’s will resign him, I don’t think that will happen until the Winter Meetings. I think he wants to test the market before he signs anything.

bbq1959
3 years 10 months ago

i hope the sox sign him,

Ben_Cherington
3 years 10 months ago

I dont!

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, and John Lackey don’t. They’ll have to resort to just drinking beer and playing video games because there won’t be anything left to eat.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

They’ll have their own CC to eat….Clam Chowda. We all know the CC in CC Sabathia stands for Cheeseburger Cheeseburger

JacksTigers
3 years 10 months ago

….and the MB in MB923 stands for Moose Betrail. Criss Cross.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Good one.

tacko
3 years 10 months ago

It’s fun watching CC and the front office play games with each other. They both know what’s eventually going to happen with this, but both feel obligated to take the appropriate steps in approaching it by low-balling/high-balling each other.

Yankees420
3 years 10 months ago

What was the low ball offer?

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

Most of the Captain Crunch as opposed to all of it.

Yankees420
3 years 10 months ago

No way he accepts that, it Crunch Berries or bust.

missyae
3 years 10 months ago

Cherington and ownership wanna make a big splash and say a real “I am sorry” for last year, they would give him whatever he wants or Albert whatever he wants. However, I am sure both will sign with their old teams again

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

Albert who?

– AGon

3 years 10 months ago

Albert to 3B, Youk to RF.

(Yes, I’m joking)

JacksTigers
3 years 10 months ago

Good.

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

Joking because it will obviously be Pujols in RF

John
3 years 10 months ago

Not funny.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Only not to you.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

It’s not funny because it’s actually Agon in Right.

Tito was just grooming him last year in Philly and Houston.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 10 months ago

I dunno man. I think Varitek’s legs need a break, so they’ll stick him in RF. He’s still got the moves.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

(like Jagger)

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

Wrong

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

What the heck are they going to do with Pujols?

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

DH platoon with Gonzalez after we sign Prince Fielder for first base.

notsureifsrs
3 years 10 months ago

i can only imagine what cano’s deal is going to look like when he gets close to the open market. something like 10 yr/$200M?

FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
3 years 10 months ago

i can only imagine what cano’s deal is going to look like when he gets
close to the open market. something like 10 yr/$200M?

3 years 10 months ago

hello, hello, helllo? echo, echo, echo

3 years 10 months ago

 Boras is his agent and he’ll have a binder showing that Cano has a 20 year contract due him and there’s a double secret offer of a longer contract from a team not to be named later

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

feels like groundhog day with a baseball theme.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

If CC signs anywhere but NYY, I”ll eat my hat. 

bbq1959
3 years 10 months ago

start eating your hat

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 10 months ago

Bookmarked the page. I’ll hold you to that.

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

Pics or it didn’t happen

NomarGarciaparra
3 years 10 months ago

But it didn’t…yet.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 10 months ago

The only sauce that will be allowed is barbecue.

Seriously though, I’d be shocked if the yanks allow him to leave. The fact is he’d be by far the best option on the FA market and teams would be lining up to make competitive offers. If Sabathia turns down this offer then the yanks will offer more before the opt out deadline.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 10 months ago

Better be quick man, or CC will do it for you!

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

I could see him leaving. I wouldn’t put it over 50% but I’d consider it a possibility.

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

Here you go guys… @bbq1959:disqus @NomarGarciaparra:disqus @MaineSox:disqus @start_wearing_purple:disqus @Indestructible:disqus and @Four_Aces35:disqus  

Joey E
3 years 10 months ago

Javy Lopez? who cares about him.

let the offseason officially begin!

merry christmas!

dylanp5030
3 years 10 months ago

Javy retired in 2006.

John Bowman
3 years 10 months ago

He’s a middle reliever for the Giants. I’m not sure why he’s relevant to this thread, though.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

That’s Javier. Javy Lopez was a backup catcher. Both played for the Red Sox in 2006.

andrew hamer
3 years 10 months ago

sabathia to the royals!!!!

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

I do find it funny how there are more CC fat jokes than anyone where as in fact people don’t seem to realize that Prince Fielder is much fatter than Sabathia (based on height/weight)

I’m sure their weight has changed (as in gone up), but at the beginning of this year, CC was 290 lbs. and is 6’7. Fielder was 275 lbs. and is 5’11

CC has a BMI of “only” 32.7. Fielder’s BMI is 38.4

Although we know BMI does not distinguish which of the weight is body fat and which is muscle mass, but a difference of 5.7 BMI is pretty big.

3 years 10 months ago

U mad?

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Considering I made my own CC joke above, what reason would I have to be mad? I could care less how overweight he is so long as he does what he’s supposed to do and pitch like the ace he is.

cyberboo
3 years 10 months ago

You do realize that CC is the tale of two pitchers don’t you.  I looked up his stats just to see what appeared and this was pretty interesting.  In 10 and 11, Sabathia won 40 games.  28 of those were by blowout, ten runs or more scored by the Yankees and his ERA was 3.01, 1.21 whip.  3 wins were recorded when the Yankees scored 3 runs or less for him with 25 losses to go with that since 09.  ERA 5.89, whip 1.52.  In the blowouts, he averaged seven innings.  In the 3 runs to work with category, he rarely pitched 5.1 innings.  The other 9 wins came with run production of 5 – 9 runs each start.  Everyone wonders why he can’t pitch the playoffs or under pressure, where runs are a premium, look at his career, where he chokes when he has to pitch.  An ace, not a chance, but he does put up the innings, because he always has ten runs to work with.  Anything more than 15M a season is overpaying for the two-tale pitcher.  How many people would actually research him and they just look at won – loss records and say, wow, he is a great pitcher.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Since he’s become a Yankee, only 3 pitchers have a higher WAR than Sabathia. Halladay, Verlander and Lee. 

And you do know with 0-2 runs support in 2011, he had a 3.40 ERA, 2010 he had a 3.60 ERA in those games, and 2009 he had a 3.42 ERA. However that’s only a grand total of 18 games in 3 years which is basically half a season. You’re just cherry picking games here.

In Sabathia’s 8 losses in 2011, he had a 5.33 ERA. Cliff Lee also had 8 losses this year, he had a 6.65 ERA. I guess Lee is not an ace either then?

We all know Halladay is a better pitcher than Sabathia, but with 0-2 runs support, he had a 2.85 ERA, and with 6+ runs support he has a 1.33 ERA. Both great, but that’s still a huge gap.

Somehow Lee had an ERA of 4.12 with 6+ runs support. I think your run support argument is a matter of coincidence of how well these guys pitch. Run support only determines W-L, not ERA

Not sure also why you’re putting the 3 runs to work with in his IP category. You do know he averaged well over 6 innings per start in games he lost.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

I’d take CC Sabathia over Cliff Lee.

Cliff Lee’s a great pitcher, but he’s so inconsistent. CC is about as steady as you can get.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Let cyberboo know that since apparently CC is not an ace because he doesn’t pitch well in games he loses (yet a vast majority of all pitchers don’t) and yet he is providing false information of CC’s stats unless CC is horrible when teh Yankees score exactly 3 runs. Apparently CC doesn’t pitch well when the Yankees score exactly 3 runs for him considering he said 3 runs or less is 5.89 when Baseball Reference shows 0-2 runs support he has a 3.47 ERA (I’m assuming that since 3.40, 3.60 and 3.42 equal about 3.47 average) from 09-11.

I guess when the Yankees get 0-2 runs, he does fairly well, 3 runs exactly he’s horrible, and 4+ runs he’s brilliant.

cyberboo
3 years 10 months ago

Hey, I only post the facts.  Sabathia is 3 – 25 in games where the Yankees scored him 3 runs or less since 09.  Look at his career numbers for the last three years, on a game by game basis.  Don’t shoot the messenger, because I took a few hours to go through every game.  The point I was making is he can’t handle pressure.  If many choose to look at wins – losses and say he is great, fine.  I just pointed it out as the reason why he chokes in the playoffs every year.  When he doesn’t get past the fifth in any of his starts, there is a reason behind it and I just showed why.  Since he needs 10 runs a game to succeed and loses when he gets 3 runs or less, I don’t call that an ace. An ace is a pitcher that can win the 1 – 0  or 2 – 1 games, he doesn’t lose them 99.9 percent of the time.  That is just my opinion, based on facts, and if others disagree, that is their right.  If I ran a team, I would want the guys that can win the low scoring games, because anyone can win the blowouts.  There is no pressure involved.  

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

“An ace is a pitcher that can win the 1 – 0  or 2 – 1 games, he doesn’t lose them 99.9 percent of the time”

How many times does a 1-0 and 2-1 game happen? When a starting pitcher loses a game 1-0 or 2-1, it’s his teams offense a majority of the times to blame, not the pitcher.

And no you are not providing facts because Sabathia has only 23 losses in his career as a Yankee, therefore he cannot have 25 when the offense scores 3 or less. You are reading wrong information wherever you’re reading it from.

JacksTigers
3 years 10 months ago

You just made a joke….

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

I acknowledged to TJ that I did already. And as I said in this post, I find it funny that we make more CC overweight jokes than anyone when he’s not even the fattest player in the league.

3 years 10 months ago

I had no idea I was almost as tall as Prince Fielder.  I don’t know how I feel about that.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Stay away from 275 lbs. and you’ll feel fine

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

It’s large market bias and I’m not even remotely joking. Fat jokes come up every time Fielder is mentioned, he’s just not mentioned as often as Sabathia. It’s literally that simple.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 10 months ago

Fielder also doesn’t make the kind of money CC Sabathia does so he’s not the target nationally.

He will soon enough though.

AmericanMovieFan
3 years 10 months ago

I’m gonna guess it’s for 6 years/$150MM. Seems like the only logical offer that isn’t insane but is extremely generous. He better take it and if he doesn’t he better suck wherever he goes.

Guest
3 years 10 months ago

 6 years for any pitcher isn’t exactly sane, especially for a guy that overweight.

AmericanMovieFan
3 years 10 months ago

I haven’t exactly been impressed with him in the post-season but I will admit that I fear if he were to go to, say, the Rangers, he’d be more than good and it could hurt the Yanks.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

From a Yankees’ perspective, I’d be more concerned with what their rotation would look like without him (Yes, yes, substantially less heavy). With that understood, I really don’t foresee anyone outbidding the Yankees for him. They absolutely cannot afford to let him go, so they’ll match any offer made and considering he’s already acclimated to the area, Sabathia will very likely give them the opportunity to do so.

Bino9
3 years 10 months ago

I hope CC resigns with the Yankees and then gives them another Carl Pavano, the most out of shape pitcher in the game right now and the way his arm has been overworked and put on short rest, he’s a serious injury liability in the next 2 years and above.  Especially since he can’t maintain his own weight

andrewyf
3 years 10 months ago

Josh Beckett and his bucket of KFC would beg to differ.

Bino9
3 years 10 months ago

Josh Beckett may eat KFC while sitting in the dugout, but he doesn’t go and lose over 30-40lbs during the offseason only to put all the weight and then some back on during the season. 

MaineSox
3 years 10 months ago

Freaking Popeye’s man, nobody can get it right.

Guest
3 years 10 months ago

Yea, my gut tells me this will end badly for NY.

3 years 10 months ago

but what does CC ‘s gut have to say..

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

I think what you really want is him to opt out and sign with the Mets. That way he kept his word about staying in NY.

Bino9
3 years 10 months ago

I’m a die hard Mets fan and I would be upset if he signs with the Mets, especially with Alderson being a build from within kind of guy.  What I see Alderson doing is going to offer Reyes a contract and if Reyes leaves then he will hope that Wright bounces back in a big way and then trade him for prospects to a contender come deadline

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

You’d be upset if your team signs one of the best pitchers in the league? 

Bino9
3 years 10 months ago

Being as how the Mets already have a pitcher getting paid over $20M a year and CC is going to demand $20M a year then yes I’d be upset if Alderson signed CC.  My reasons is because I believe CC is going to get seriously hurt within the next 2 years due to how he’s constantly been on short rest, he’s been overworked and his weight is not helping.  He’s in his 30’s now and needs to be weary of how his body isn’t going to be able to bounce back as easily as when he was in his 20’s

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Except he hasn’t constantly been on short rest. In late August and September this year, he was on long rest. The only time he was constantly on short rest was his time in Milwaukee and during the playoffs in 08, 09 and 10.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

He’s been on short rest during a 1 week span during the playoffs. What the heck are you talking about? You’re acting as if he made 40 starts in a season.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

While the short rest thing isn’t accurate, his general workload is what would actually concern me. David Wells was legitimately a fat pig, yet he managed to keep up a 200 IP pace through age 37.

The workload from a young age on would scare the pants off of me, though. Sabathia hasn’t pitched under 230 innings since he was 25 and his career LOW on innings was 180 when he twenty. He came up extremely young and has been pitching tons of innings every year since. Lee was scary enough to sign long term because he was over thirty, but due to injuries and struggles early in his career, he saved a lot of wear on his arm.

The only guy in the MLB I can think of who’s averaged more IP annually on his career is Roy Halladay and he didn’t start logging 150+ IP seasons until 25 and even he had a couple short seasons from injury in his late twenties (Plus he’s always been more of a finesse pitcher than Sabathia until recently, so that’s one more thing going for his health).

Frankly speaking, I wouldn’t be comfortable offering him anything over four years at this point unless he was willing to put some drastic injury clauses in. He could very well just be some kind of monster who will never break down, but that’s a dangerous amount of wear in this day and age. Eleven straight seasons with 180 IP at minimum is practically unheard of at this point and is a huge warning sign come his mid-thirties.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

He can’t maintain his own weight? You’re acting as if he put on 50 lbs since his mlb debut. He’s the same weight he’s always been. The innings on his arm is a legit concern but it’s going to be the same concern for any free agent star pitcher who hits free agency. Whether it’s Felix, Lincecum, etc. 

To say CC is the most out of shape is a flat out joke btw. He wasn’t even the most out of shape on the Yanks (see Colon). Ppl seem to forget he’s 6’7. Sort of a difference. I would say he is the same injury risk simply because guys over 250 and that tall always seem to have joint issues.

Bino9
3 years 10 months ago

Yet CC admitted that he needed to lose weight for health reasons last off-season, he lost the weight and everyone was congratulating him for it.  Then during the season he put all the weight, 30-40lbs that he lost, right back on and then some.  That’s what I meant by him not maintaining his weight… maybe I should’ve said him not being able to control his desire for whatever it is that put him back to the weight he was last off-season and plus.  That is the reason as to why him being the most out of shape is not a “flat out joke”

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

It was more like 20 lbs but that’s another story. It wasn’t like he went 20 lbs above what was his top weight ever. He just gained back to same 20 lbs he lost over the break. Not saying it was good or excusable but far from what you’re making it out to be.

3 years 10 months ago

Why is CC so fat these days

AnthonyMojica
3 years 10 months ago

Hes gonna do everything possible to leave he’s from California and he wants to return he did everything to avoid signing with the yankmees last time that is why he waited so long, but they once again will overpay and in 3 years they will have another arod/Jeter situation going on in New yawk!

Guest
3 years 10 months ago

It’d be interesting to see the dominoes fall if he signed with the Angels.

cookmeister
3 years 10 months ago

Only CA team i could see him going to is the Angels, but don’t see the Angels getting involved unless his price comes way down.  If he came down to maybe 5/$100 mil i could see it maybe a touch more but Angels need OFFENSE.  I would imagine Angels would trade Santana to create salary room, but still dont see it happening

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

Except he signed before AJ (12/11), Tex (12/13), Lowe (1/9), etc. But yeah, he waited until the very last minute….like before the winter meetings were over. What “cream of the crop” free agent has ever signed “early”. Before Dec 15th doesn’t strike me as “waiting to the last minute”. Get your facts straight dude.

3 years 10 months ago

the yankee and baseball brass should be upset that big mouth brian cashman revealed that he faked interest in crawford so boston would have to pay more..bostom and the cubs epstein will now get back to cashman by doing the same with CC..cashman should just keep his mouth shut..i wish the yankees didnt resign cash because he hasnt done a good job

3 years 10 months ago

Its not a secert… they do it every year w more than just star players.. baseball is a business

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

Every team does it. The Red Sox did it with CC when he was a free agent and they had no intention on offering him a contract. 

“The Red Sox are meeting with CC Sabathia sometime in the next few days, and so will Yankees GM Brian Cashman, who reportedly met with Scott Boras, the agent for Mark Teixeira and Derek Lowe. It’s unclear whether the Red Sox are seriously interested in trying to compete with the Yankees’ $140 million offer to Sabathia, or if they are just doing their due diligence and preparing alternatives in their winter shopping.”

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

We did the same thing with Lee too and much more aggressively. Reports were that the Sox were offering a seven year deal. After Lee signed with Philly, it came out that the Sox offer was for seven years but at significantly lower AAV than anyone else and they were basically just trying to get a seven year offer out there to drive up the price.

Who knows how much of an effect it had in the end considering he signed elsewhere anyway, but this sort of thing happens constantly, especially between the Sox and Yankees.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

When did Lee ever talk to the Sox? All I heard was the Yankees, Rangers and the “Mystery team”. Not that it matters that he did since he ended up in Philly, but I never heard of him talking to Boston.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

You can probably find it if you filter the Cliff Lee news from MLBTR, it definitely came up here that the Sox spoke to him. The story goes that they offered him a seven year deal around like $125MM (As I recall) basically to get rumors of a seven year deal out there.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

Yeah…I’m sure Epstein had no clue until Cashman mentioned it.

Rabbitov
3 years 10 months ago

i can only imagine what cano’s deal is going to look like when he gets close to the open market. something like 10 yr/$200M?

East Coast Bias
3 years 10 months ago

Okay, you wanna make fat jokes… fine. But at least make them funny. Everything in this topic and any recent CC topics are not witty, clever, or most importantly, funny! 

ryanbattista
3 years 10 months ago

They Yankees should let him walk. They have received 3 good years and can put the money they will save to better use. You don’t need a 25 mil a year pitcher to win in this league! But as a Mets fan i hope they sign him and he can rot with all the other old aging veterans on that team, Mo, Jeter, AROID and Tex (will be 38 when his big contract is over)!

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

ARGGGG!!!!!!! I hate this…

Mo is 41, has 1 year left on his deal and had a 2.19 FIP last year. That was 5th best in the majors last year. Regardless, I would be shocked if he didn’t retire after next season.

Tex will be 36 when his contract ends, not 38. 

You may not need a $25 mil a year pitcher to win in this league but you d@mn sure need a super star caliber pitcher to compete in the AL East and he’s it for the Yanks and there isn’t anyone close to him on the open market. if I had to choose between CJ @ 5/$90 and CC at 6/$150 I would probably still sign CC if I’m the Yanks. I may not do that if I were 27 other teams but that’s for different reasons.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

Why would you be shocked if he didn’t retire? I’d say 50/50 chance but I wouldn’t be shocked one way or another.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

You know, I hate to say it because I think Wilson is going to get drastically overpaid, but if it came down to 5/$90 vs. 6/$150 for the Yankees in particular, I think I’d consider Wilson very heavily. He’s got a lot less mileage on his arm and his FIP has been very solid for years in one of the biggest hitters parks in the MLB. He’s a lefty, which enhances his value in NY and he’ll require less of a time commitment.

A guy who can go out there and give six or seven innings of three run ball for an offense like New York’s can be enough. I can’t say with confidence Wilson over Sabathia would be the right move (And definitely not for any team in the MLB except maybe the Yankees, Sox or Phillies), but I just have a feeling that the value Sabathia offers over Wilson for a team like the Yankees is not so huge that it’d warrant an extra year and $60 million.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

To me, the big difference between CJ and CC is that CC has a much larger body of work (no Big Pun intended…see what I just did there. A double zinger.) to go by. CJ has been a stud for two seasons and I just don’t see him as the #1 ace for a team like the Yanks. CC certainly has more mileage but so has Roy Halladay. I’m not as worried about CC’s arm as I am his knees, and I’m not overly concerned about that either. He’s worth the risk IMO.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

CC does have the consistency to go off of, but my argument is that I’m not sure that the Yankees need a “#1 ace.” With their offense, the Yankees can get by with a series of 2’s and 3’s. An ace is good to have, but locking up Sabathia to six or seven years puts them in a very precarious position five or so years down the line, in my opinion.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 10 months ago

I don’t think it puts them in a bad position at all. They can afford to pay CC $23 mil to be a #3 or #4 5 years from now. They key is to off set that by having guys like Betances, Banuelos, etc excel as FOR guys. What they can’t afford is to have 3  guys like AJ sucking up $50 mil a year and not producing.

0bsessions
3 years 10 months ago

Two caveats being that you’re relying on him being a #3/4 at that point as opposed to a permanent resident of the DL AND relying on two minor leaguers not only working out, but working out as FOR pitchers (Which is no sure thing considering both of them have had control issues the last few seasons). Signing a current FOR pitcher for six or seven years, especially one with so heavy of a workload as Sabathia, is just as much of a risk of being a guy sucking up a ton of money without producing.

It’s one heck of a band-aid to have to rip off, but honestly I really wouldn’t offer Sabathia more than five years if I were a GM. Does it result in them missing the playoffs next year? Probably. But is it in the best interest of the franchise going forward? Likewise, I’d say probably.

3 years 10 months ago

CC…get…out while you can!

Seriously, the Yanks are boned without Sabathia. He’s a good luck charm for them is you look at those win totals and there IS some value in that. Darvish shouldn’t be trusted and we saw how Wilson performed in the playoffs. If I’m the Yankees I’m going out to make a trade for Matt Cain and I’m signing Buehrle if CC is walking. Nova + crap just ain’t gonna cut it.

Not that I really care about Yankee success, I wanna see CC in a Red Sox uni just for the fights they will air on sportscenter.

MB923
3 years 10 months ago

“I wanna see CC in a Red Sox uni just for the fights they will air on sportscenter.”

Fights as in who drank whose beer or who ate whose cheeseburgers?