Mariners Willing To Include Cash In Figgins Trade

The Chone Figgins' signing has been nothing short of a disaster for the Mariners, which is why the team is willing to include cash in any trade involving the infielder according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. There isn't much interest right now, but Morosi says the Mariners view the Reds, Giants, and Tigers as possible trade fits.

Figgins, 33 in January, has hit just .236/.309/.285 with 53 steals in 74 chances during his two years in Seattle. He can play second and third bases, and has also filled in at left field in recent years. There are still two years and $17MM left on his contract, and a $9MM option for 2014 will vest with 600 plate appearances in 2013. It's not unreasonable to think the Mariners will have to eat upwards of $15MM to move Figgins.


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197 Comments on "Mariners Willing To Include Cash In Figgins Trade"


Justin Olsen
3 years 8 months ago

We need to get a deal done and let Seager have 3B full time. The deal was not bad at the time though. Not sure what happened to him. 

sherrilltradedooverexperience
3 years 8 months ago

 i think safeco field happened to figgins

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

He’s got awful road numbers too. Figgins seems to have legitimately forgotten how to play baseball.

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Did he hang out with Adam Dunn last offseason?

KingofKauff
3 years 8 months ago

I imagine if you have a home park that deflates your performance numbers, it is going to depress your overall play.  Anyone who has ever played knows confidence is the name of the game and if you are not comfortable at home, good luck.

Dodgersarelife
3 years 8 months ago

HE has Adrian beltre written all over him…..

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

Unless he literally has a tattoo of Beltre written on his person then that’s a bad comparison.

Dodgersarelife
3 years 8 months ago

Both are mariners/former mariner 3rd basemen who played terribly while playing at Safco Field. I dont see why it is a bad comparison

FunkyTime
3 years 8 months ago

Both also had HUGE career years the year before signing in Seattle.

m4r1n3r
3 years 8 months ago

Beltre was at least a defensive asset during his tenure as a Mariner. Figgins isn’t even good for that anymore.

scott4
3 years 8 months ago

Ya, because Safeco effects actually hitting the ball square? C’mon, Safeco effects right handed power hitters, that’s all. Not quite sure how Figgins could that as an excuse.

m4r1n3r
3 years 8 months ago

Except this argument makes absolutely no sense. How does Safeco kill a singles hitter?

Silence
3 years 8 months ago

We’ll give you Wilson Valdez for him and that 15 mil, you get a pitcher and a fielder!

Anthony Polito
3 years 8 months ago

he sucks haha

hscphillyboy
3 years 8 months ago

Not in Anaheim he didn’t……

Dodgersarelife
3 years 8 months ago

i could see him going to the dodgers. Him and dee gordon at the top of the lineup would be scary, in terms of speed. Anything is better than Uribe right now.

sherrilltradedooverexperience
3 years 8 months ago

do you think the mariners would swap bad contracts or just are intent to dump him?

lakersdodgersyankees4life
3 years 8 months ago

Id do a uribe/figgins swap if they would make the money work

sherrilltradedooverexperience
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t mind that either.  I’m very tired of watching Uribe swing out of his shoes and miss the pitch by a mile.

roberty
3 years 8 months ago

I was hoping the Braves would pull off a Derek Lowe for Figgins deal. 

vinniemiller
3 years 8 months ago

Yeah he and Dee Gordon at the top of the lineup WOULD be scary….

livingpaint
3 years 8 months ago

 thats what people thought of ichiro and figgins. didn’t pan out too well here.

vinniemiller
3 years 8 months ago

I was being sarcastic….

Steve
3 years 8 months ago

I see a strange pattern between the names of Dogersarelife, sherrilltradedooverexperience, and lakersdodgersyankees4life.

3 years 8 months ago

Phillies should take him off their hands, I mean they have nothing to lose and an extra infielder that can play outfield for only 2 million over 2 years seems like it would come in handy, worst case scenario they cut him

dylanp5030
3 years 8 months ago

100% agree

3 years 8 months ago

Also not to mention with the loss of Rollins, we could use the speed, and Imagine if he could try out SS, he played there a couple games in his career, but hell, better than Martinez, and better than bringing up Galvis too soon

3 years 8 months ago

Here’s to hoping!

Jonathunder
3 years 8 months ago

Some great grammar skills you have there.

hscphillyboy
3 years 8 months ago

What is this English class now ?

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 8 months ago

Probably going to require a lot or else cash and another bad contract in return.

We actually have some M’s fans that think he could have been traded earlier without cash being involved and maybe having to deal off a front line prospect with him to make it happen.

But that has never been very realistic.

The idea the M’s may not have been willing to pay may be.  Glad to see they are now.
It is another step forward.

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

2 years ago Figgins had the highest OBP in the mlb and now at 33 his obp has fallen to .243.  I don’t really follow the AL west, what happened to Figgins to make him so drastically decline?

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t get why he’s tanked so bad in Seattle. I feel bad for the M’s, who thought they were getting a nice player in return for their investment.

MattCMoore
3 years 8 months ago

I feel bad for him too. Im sure he is trying hard and wants to play like he did in LA but just cant figure it out…

scott4
3 years 8 months ago

His problem is that he doesn’t try hard. He may have worked hard before he got to Seattle, not anymore.

Bob_Laublaw
3 years 8 months ago

He decided he could quit the juice and/or uppers once he had had signed the big contract. Happened with lots of tons of players around that time period. Its weird that more people don”t talk about it. You don’t have to look like Barry Bonds to be a cheat skinny guys and pitchers were known for using speed and other drugs besides steroids. 

Andy_B
3 years 8 months ago

how would steroids get his walk rate to fall from from 1 out of every seven plate appearances to one out of every 15?

Slopeboy
3 years 8 months ago

You’re talking crap!

1.You have no proof to back up what you’re saying.
2. Following you’re skewed theory, just about every player should have seen a decline in their play, as a majority of players did take uppers regularly before the ban.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

Huh? In 2009 he was 7th in OBP in the AL. 

Howard
3 years 8 months ago

Hello AA anybody? Jays will make a deal… guy can lead off, play 2nd base and steal bases…

Lucas Kschischang
3 years 8 months ago

this has Jays written all over it.

iheartyourfart
3 years 8 months ago

this means he will wind up on the jays and the angels will somehow be picking up most of his salary

spokaneman
3 years 8 months ago

I was more thinking the angels would trade back for figgins no cash included, and send us whoever is in Scioscia’s dog house atm.

That would be the most Angels move that could be made here.

Coollet
3 years 8 months ago

Fits right into their mentality, buy low and small ball speed AA’s always looking for

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

Lets say, mariners put 12M for the next 2 years and Figgins agree to decline the option… get it done.. 5M for 2 years. I’d take that over KJ. Anyway, wee need a leadoff since Rajai is NOT an everyday OF.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

why oh why would figgins agree to decline the option?

sourbob
3 years 8 months ago

Baseball players don’t like being considered albatrosses anymore than we like watching guys stink. He’d probably welcome a ticket out of town to start again fresh.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

No part of your post is true. If it were he’d just go to seattle and ask to re work the contract..

whats fair is fair.. teams cant ask players to lower their salaries, just like a player who outperforms his wage cant ask for a raise.. Evan Longoria would love it, but it just doesn’t happen

sourbob
3 years 8 months ago

No part of that is true? Players never make accommodations to get out of a bad situation? Which league do you watch? Every year, multiple former stars who’ve either lost their luster or play for teams they feel have lost theirs waive no-trade clauses, rework contracts, or make handshake agreements to decline options or decline arbitration, all so they can get a fresh start. 

They do have to be careful about these things, for the same reason Figgins can’t/wouldn’t “go to Seattle and ask to rework the contract”: because the Player’s Union forbids players doing anything to reduce the monetary value of their deal. 

That doesn’t mean Figgins might not be able to get away with a handshake deal to decline an option. The reason is, at least hypothetically, Figgins could be doing it to pursue a larger deal. Alternately, the union could allow Figgins to reconfigure the option in some way that sort of increased its value while making it possible for the team to decline., turning it into a mutual option, but with a $2 or $3MM cash buyout, for instance.

So anyway, to sum up, while you are mostly right that teams can’t ask players to lower their salaries, the union absolutely DOES let players get creative about finding a fresh start with a new team, as long as the end result at least theoretically increases the player’s earnings (and thus saves the union face).

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

Can you please name 3 players who have taken less garanteed money in a contract re work?

Gil Meche retired when he didn’t need to and saved the Royals some money, he was applauded publicly, thats the only situation I can remember of a player leaving behind garanteed money, and thats a retirement.

sourbob
3 years 8 months ago

Option =/= guaranteed money.

No one is talking about Figgins giving back guaranteed money. Options, though, are not guaranteed money. If his agent, as I suggested, reworked the option that triggers based on plate appearances with a mutual option with say, a $3MM buyout, he would be ADDING guaranteed money, not subtracting it. 

So long as a player doesn’t reduce the guaranteed face value of his deal, he can usually restructure to benefit a team.

Three examples? How about six?

-K-Rod’s restructuring of his deal to facilitate the trade to the Brewers. His performance incentives became guaranteed, but the vesting option became a mutual one. 
-Sammy Sosa restructured his contract when he was traded to the Orioles, agreeing to eliminate his ’06 option and the clause that added an ’07 option.
-Randy Johnson agreed to let the Yanks change $6 MM of deferred payments on his contract to 0% interest to facilitate his trade there. That cost him money, but it did not change the face value of his deal.
-Manny Ramirez agreed to decline arbitration before his trade from the Sox to the Dodgers. He’d have made a mint, but the Dodgers weren’t dealing for him unless they knew he’d either re-sign with them or they’d get draft picks.

And here are two examples of players altering their deals in ways that were financially beneficial to their existing teams: Todd Helton reworked the last, very expensive year of his deal into a “restructured” three year deal that kept him in Colorado for two additional years at a greatly reduced rate and deferred most of his first year salary without interest. TECHNICALLY, it was more guaranteed money, but in reality, it was Todd saying, “I’ll play two more years for nothing if it helps you afford to keep me here instead of dumping me.” Scott Rolen did a similar thing, turning $5MM of his $11MM salary into a deferred, zero interest payment.

So yeah, it happens: players change their deals to get out of a city or to make sure they get to stay in a city. It never takes the form of reducing the face value of the deal, though. Just deferring, restructuring through added years, or agreements to decline options or arbitration.

You wanted examples. You got ’em. There are tons more examples than this, but these were stars, so it was easier to find news articles after the fact. If say, Mark Lemke ever made such accommodations, it may not be the kind of thing that shows up on the net 10 years later.

Bottom line though: Yup, it happens.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

wow none of those are even close to the hypothetical you gave of Figgins.

Look at the players you listed, Johnson, Sosa, Ramirez.. none of those players were dead weights, they weren’t killing their team by lack of performance. Much like Krod, they knew that money would be waiting for them when their current contract expired. Its like roy halladay taking less money so that the jays/phils can spend more on other players, ya that happens, weaver also took a home town discount doesn’t mean its applicable to this scenario.

The barry zitos, vernon wells, etc of baseball don’t go anywhere, their performance drops so much that they know they need to keep every penny because after it is a string of 1 year deals and minor league contracts

this is a completely different scenario because Figgins has performed so poorly, the prospects of him getting anywhere close to to that money again is pretty much all but near impossible at this point. Figgins has no allegiance to seattle, every example you gave maybe minus krod, it was the player being lenient not stupid.

sourbob
3 years 8 months ago

Um, not sure I follow:

Mets didn’t want K-Rod. (Neither do most teams at his price.) They’re desperate to get rid of him. So K-Rod’s agents agreed to rewrite a vesting option into a mutual option and took financial compensation in return to facilitate a trade to the Brewers that would only happen if Milwaukee knew they’d never be held to the option.

or

Cubs don’t want Sosa. (Neither do most teams at his price.) They’re desperate to get rid of him. Sosa’s agents agree to decline two player options to facilitate a trade to Baltimore that would only happen if Baltimore knew they’d never be held to the option.

How are those substantially different from the hypothetical:
Mariners don’t want Figgins. (Neither do most teams at his price.) They’re desperate to get rid of him. Figgins’ agents agree either to rewrite a vesting option into a mutual option and take financial compensation in return or to promise to decline an option. This facilitates a trade to TEAM X that would only happen if TEAM X knew they could decline his option.

Initially, you argued there was no way Figgins would rework his contract to facilitate a trade out of town. (You made repeated confused references to giving back guaranteed money, even though no one ever proposed that.) You said that would never happen, because it *never* happens. I gave you four examples showing that it does and two related, similar examples of guys doing similar things to stay in town.

Now you’re saying it’s different because the players in my examples were better players? That’s a new argument for you, but then you needed one, since your others fell apart under scrutiny. I think if you’re under the illusion that K-Rod or Sosa weren’t being run out of town on rails just like Figgins is, you must not know many Met or Cub fans. They were albatrosses who weren’t worth their salaries and were not highly sought after at their contract price. They felt like they needed to try things out on other teams. They had to make concessions to do that. It’s EXACTLY analogous.

And anyway, as I said, these are not the only examples in the history of baseball, just famous ones from recently. The smaller deals don’t tend to show up in easy Google searches years after the fact. Anyway: since you said this never happens, you’re wrong. Demonstrably wrong. Actually, it’s already demonstrated.

You’re also overlooking that there are other very real reasons why a player might make such concessions, besides being “lenient” or “stupid.” If a player hates where he’s at and feels it’s dragging him down, or just feels like he’d perform better somewhere else, it makes more sense for him to try and facilitate a trade to such a place, so that he can try and be good again.

Baseball players make a lot of money, yes. But I am flabbergasted by people who think the average player would rather stink horribly and cash checks than make some accommodations and try to rejuvenate his career somewhere else.

Even if you want to be cynical, your argument makes no sense. Do you think Figgins would rather hold onto the dim hope that someone might let him play enough for that option to vest, even though he’s terrible? You don’t think he’d cheerfully take $3MM guaranteed rather than an outside, outside shot at $9MM?

livingpaint
3 years 8 months ago

kenji johjima did the same for the m’s (quit and left the remaining money on the table to go back to japan)

Dave
3 years 8 months ago

when it comes to options, they absolutely can.  You’re being disingenuous when you say it doesn’t happen, but it does all the time.   Most of the time it just comes out as a  contract extension well in advance of them hitting free agency, Ryan Braun for example getting an extension 2 years out, or Tim Lincecum getting his arbitration bought out by a contract extension.   The player asked for a guaranteed raise, and they got it.   The team gets some salary security in return and everyone hopes it works out but sometimes it doesn’t. 

There have been tons and tons of deals where the player in a trade agrees to void options, revoke clauses and other semi-optional contract language that sounded great when it was written, but suddenly becomes a liability to future returns.  

Now, it’d be nice to see a team able to tear up a contract in the offseason for a drastically underperforming player like the NFL is able to do, but I think we’re decades away from that becoming a reality in MLB.  

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

again you are comparing MVP and CY young candidates to a player who has had a negative impact on his teams success the last 2 years.

And saying ‘there have been tons and tons’ doesn’t mean anything to me..

give me an example of a player who was a dead weight who willingly left money on the table because they felt ‘bad’ about not performing up to par.

I gave the Gil Meche example, which to this point is still somewhat the closes example of someone actually having a decent heart and saying he doesn’t want to cost the team any money for poor performance

3 years 8 months ago

Not saying it will happen, but perhaps if he did decline the option, he won’t have to worry about the Blue Jays “monitoring” his plate appearances in 2013. If they “monitor” his plate apperances the season before he hits free agency again, it might limit his counting stats and how much his next contract will be.

A second factor to consider would be him just wanting to get out of Seattle and get a fresh start and if he knows waiving that option would give him a change of scenary, he might do it.

Again, don’t know how likely either of those will result in him declining the option, but definitely some things to consider.

Howard
3 years 8 months ago

 Exactly. Trade Teahan and a starting prospect.

3 years 8 months ago

Maybe to the Marlins? Dont have much in terms of speed.

Pete
3 years 8 months ago

Oakland will take him for 3B/LF if he’s only worth a prospect/is essentially free.

Patrick the Pragmatist
3 years 8 months ago

The Yankees apparently have trouble getting free agents to come there as reserves.

Especially for the infield.  

As bad as it would be for the M’s to have to pay the Yankees to take on a guy it might be something that works for both teams. 

YanksFanSince78
3 years 8 months ago

I was thinking a Burnett for Figgins swap. 

Burnett and $15 mil for Figgins?

Slopeboy
3 years 8 months ago

That would not work. The problem the Yankees have had in the past with reserves is that they have more often signed good players at the end of the careers who were not reserves, but thought they could handle the position. Most of these signings were guys that were accustomed to playing everyday and were not able to adjust to not playing regularly.

The last player that the Yanks had that was truly a reserve player, who produced was Miguel Cairo. Eric Chavez worked out this past season only because he accepted the role mentally and was accustomed to sitting and preparing to play because of the many injuries he’s had in recent years. There really is a difference between a ‘professional reserve’ and a player who’s on the downside of his career willing to accept a bench role in order to keep playing.
Figgins has to play everyday in order to produce, he’s not a bench player, despite his terrible numbers.

MB923
3 years 8 months ago

“The Yankees apparently have trouble getting free agents to come there as reserves.

Especially for the infield.   ”

I guess Eric Chavez was hard to get (Same for Andruw Jones although he’s not for the infield)

Daryo Cummins
3 years 8 months ago

AA should bring him to the jays. send a minor leaguer like kevin ahrens for figgins and cash 

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

david cooper ?

cyberboo
3 years 8 months ago

Cooper is an overpay for Figgins.  I can see a Mark Teahan – Figgins trade, with Seattle picking up eighty percent of his salary the next two years.  The Jays are only looking for a bandaid solution at second anyways, because Hech will be up in 2013 to take over SS, sliding Escobar to 2nd.  They don’t want to block the future with anyone that makes more than 2M a season.

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 too much lol

Sniderlover
3 years 8 months ago

Uhh, why exactly? He is terrible and I’d rather re-sign KJ. 

3 years 8 months ago

I don’t know if it’s pressure of the contract or if he really lost his swag not leading off. It seemed like a good move at the time. I know Dave Cameron wrote something about swapping with the Giants and taking Zito. There would be some money involved cause I believe he has three years left. I trust Z to get something done, we’ll see what happens. I expect a busy offseason for the M’s!

3 years 8 months ago

I think Cinci is a good fit. Arroyo for Figgins and cash to cover alot of his salary.

3 years 8 months ago

I am convinced that Arroyo never had a chance to get over the Mono.. If you have not ever had it before, then pray you never get it.  You just feel so worn out and your body aches all day all over.   I look for Arroyo to have somewhat of a bounce back year in 2012. Wont be a great season but His numbers will improves a decent amount I feel.

3 years 8 months ago

I pray your right! He needs to win the Reds 10 plus games if he stays in the rotation.

Orry Night
3 years 8 months ago

I would love to get him back in Anaheim only to trade him for some other prospects. By getting an extra 15 mill in additional contract salary over the next 2 years, we could parlay it into signing someone. 

3 years 8 months ago

Getting anything useful for Figgins would be nothing short of a miracle. Good luck with that.

3 years 8 months ago

What makes you think Anaheim can flip him for prospects but the Mariners can’t? Does Anaheim have special tradeing skills? This comment makes no since. We arn’t flipping houses here bud! This is a tight nit group every team for the most part knows what the other is doing or wanting to do. I mean hell the GMs could just read mlbtraderumors for this info!  

wickedkevin
3 years 8 months ago

Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the Sox if they choose not to resign Papi.  Good backup, can play 3b so Youk can DH more, we can sign a good RF, and make a trade package that could include Lowrie (no, not Lowrie as the centerpiece), Reddick/Kalish, etc to get a SP. 

Guest
3 years 8 months ago

I really hope the Sox wouldn’t trade for Figgins. All honesty, if Aviles is back, he would probably be a better 3B than Figgins if they so choose to move Youk to DH.

jamincito
3 years 8 months ago

hallalujah, jack Z is finally using his head….  i just hope Z can land Fielder this winter like most predictions post have put up.  Maybe that’ll motivate some players to come over like  grady sizemore and ryan doumit who are from seattle ..  Maybe some one in the pen  Frank Francisco and darren oliver… And seattle has the pitching..  but first thing is first , you need to get rid of figgins.. you’re still ganna end up paying the guy anyway..   imagine that   ichi ryan smoak fielder ackley doumit sizemore maybe olive or carp dh , guti        cause im sick of those frecking rangers , jaja  choke artist

3 years 8 months ago

Maybe the Orioles could trade Brian Roberts for Chone Figgins?

jamincito
3 years 8 months ago

wat are you smoking… Why would the orioles trade an allstar for trash like figgins

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 Figgins at least makes it on to the field consistently.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

that hurt his value as of late

grownice
3 years 8 months ago

 Touche!

livingpaint
3 years 8 months ago

 seattle would much rather not have him on the field at all. that was wedge trying to get a veteran some confidence, instead he kept taking naps out there (no griffey pun intended).

wrestlingcritic
3 years 8 months ago

With a max $27M remaining and they are willing to include $15M in the deal, I think $4M a year is a worthy risk. Come on, Tigers! 

3 years 8 months ago

“I think $4M a year is a worthy risk.”

No it isn’t.