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Blue Jays Bid $50MM For Darvish

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | December 20, 2011 at 4:49pm CDT

The Blue Jays bid over $50MM for Yu Darvish, falling just short of the Rangers' $51.7MM bid, according to Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star. Here's the latest on the Blue Jays’ division, starting with a right-hander who spent three up-and-down seasons in Toronto… 

  • Several teams are kicking the tires on acquiring A.J. Burnett, but the Yankees will have to absorb significant salary to make a deal and Burnett can veto trades to ten teams per year, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.
  • The Yankees bid less than $20MM for Darvish, according to Andrew Marchand of ESPNNewYork.com.
  • Orioles GM Dan Duquette explains the team's shrinking pro scouting department to MLB.com's Brittany Ghiroli. "In an effort to make an impact on the franchise, I can argue that the scouts are most valuable to a team at the amateur level,” Duquette said. “They can have a bigger impact on this organization.”
  • Former Rays catcher Toby Hall has decided to retire, according to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times. The 36-year-old spent seven seasons with the Rays and last played in the Major Leagues in 2008. 
  • Dan Hayes of the North County Times hears the Rays are one of the teams that has asked the Padres about Anthony Rizzo (Twitter link). However, the Padres, who have been flooded with interest, aren't matching up that well with the Rays at this point, according to Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio and ESPN.com (on Twitter).
  • MLB executives expect Gio Gonzalez to be traded relatively soon now that Darvish is no longer available, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). The Red Sox are among Gonzalez’s suitors.
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  1. MB923

    14 years ago

    ”
    Several teams are kicking the tires on acquiring A.J. Burnett, but the Yankees will have to absorb significant salary to make a deal and Burnett can veto trades to ten teams per year, according to George A. King III of the New York Post.”

    I’ll take a bag of balls for him.

    Reply
    • KyleB

      14 years ago

      Ok, but you have to give the bag back.

      Reply
      • MB923

        14 years ago

        We keep the bag and give you back A-Rod instead. 

        Reply
        • Rangersfan32 2

          14 years ago

          Or we’ll just keep the bag.

          Reply
        • KyleB

          14 years ago

          Teixera or the deal’s off.

          Reply
          • MB923

            14 years ago

            Deal off.

            Next topic, manager exchanging. You give us Wash for our next ALDS and ALCS, we’ll give you Joe for your next WS (Hey they are a combined 5-0 in those)

            Reply
            • 0bsessions

              14 years ago

              Francona’s a free agent and he’s 8-0 in the WS.

              Reply
              • MB923

                14 years ago

                Francona FTW

                Reply
  2. MB923

    14 years ago

    I wonder if the Jays bid $51.6 million

    Reply
    • Rangersfan32 2

      14 years ago

      I can’t imagine what profanities AA would be yelling if they did. If they were serious about Darvish then that knowing they were just 200k off would suck.

      Reply
      • KyleB

        14 years ago

        I doubt this report is completely accurate, but if it is, it’s good for the Rangers. It would at least mean that they didn’t outbid everyone else by a large amount…just enough to win. As I said, this news would not get out though.

        Reply
        • Rangersfan32 2

          14 years ago

          Either way you think about it though. Spending only 300k more than the Dice-k bid for a far superior pitcher and winning the bid is impressive in its own right.

          Reply
          • KyleB

            14 years ago

            Yea, it is. I’m cautiously excited about this. They’ve made me happy I renewed my season tickets again this year. I’m sure i’ll see that posting fee when my ticket renewal form comes in the mail next year though.

            Reply
          • BuyBuyMets

            14 years ago

            He’s not superior to anyone until he pitches in MLB…..

            Reply
            • Rangersfan32 2

              14 years ago

              Speaking directly about stats from Japan, Darvish is superior to Dice-K. Speaking in terms of stuff and make up, Darvish is younger, taller, has better stuff, sick offspeed pitches, and sky high potential, he is vastly superior over Dice-K.

              Reply
              • BuyBuyMets

                14 years ago

                IF he is effective in the U.S. and IF he stays healthy he may be worth getting excited about. Fully 90% of Japanese “greats” have been below average big league players. Karl Spooner was better than Sandy Koufax at one time too. Get back to us in a couple of years and I may agree, but until he does something, anything in the majors, he’s not even superior to Vin Mazzaro

                Reply
        • 0bsessions

          14 years ago

          With the Matsuzaka bidding, teams could at least say “Seriously? Wow, didn’t see that coming” considering the next highest bid was something like $30MM. If this report is accurate, that’s got to hurt.

          That said, I don’t doubt its accuracy. Toronto and Texas were considered the two biggest suitors and reports coming out ahead of the bidding were that Darvish and his representation would be insulted by anything less than what Matsuzaka’s posting fee was, meaning anyone seriously interested was apt to top that $51.1MM fee.

          Reply
      • 0bsessions

        14 years ago

        I’m pretty sure knowing you were off by under a couple million on a bid exceeding fifty million has got to be plenty demoralizing enough that it only being a difference of 200K probably wouldn’t be any worse.

        Either that or the Jays just weren’t all that serious with their $50MM+ bid.

        Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

          demoralizing is the absolute best word to describe this scenario.

          Imagine convincing owner ship that this is the best bet, and then falling so short..

          Reply
      • slider32

        14 years ago

        It sucks as it is the Jays were the only other serious competiter for Darvish. What a downer.

        Reply
    • vtadave

      14 years ago

      So assuming they were willing to dole out the posting fee and then 5/80 or whatever to sign him means that they should have money to spend. Time for AA to place a call to Mr. Boras re: Edwin Jackson and Ryan Madson.

      Reply
  3. Joshua

    14 years ago

    I don’t believe a word of that reported Jays bid.  There’s no way Griffin knows, as the Jays would never let it leak (which they made very clear today in an AA conference call).

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      14 years ago

      Not even Paul Beaston?  I wonder if James Paxton has an opinion on the matter?

      Reply
      • dredog

        14 years ago

        What does Kevin Gray say?

        Reply
    • slider32

      14 years ago

      Maybe the leak was in Japan?

      Reply
      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

        14 years ago

        the nippon ham fighters only get information on the top bid, so they wouldn’t know what the Jays bid.

        Reply
  4. renegadeisback

    14 years ago

    According to Griffin’s sources/drinking buddies.

    Reply
    • ice_hawk1002

      14 years ago

      not to be confused with bob elliott’s drinking buddies

      Reply
  5. 0bsessions

    14 years ago

    ”
    The Blue Jays bid over $50MM for Yu Darvish, falling just short”

    Ouch.

    “Burnett can veto trades to ten teams per year”

    I totally misunderstood that for a second. I was just imaging a scenario of the Yankees basically asking and asking and then upon getting to the eleventh potential suitor saying “Ha! You’re maxed out on your NTC!”

    “The Red Sox are among Gonzalez’s suitors.”

    Is this remark just in here to tie in all 5 ALE teams? It seems rather out of place.

    Reply
    • 101andcounting

      14 years ago

      I think it’s more because it’s Heyman’s column. It’s not like he’d go a whole column without scratching the Red Sox behind the ear*

      *This was originally a much more obscene metaphor, but I didn’t want to tick off the mods.

      Reply
      • JacobyWanKenobi

        14 years ago

        I think it’s so that this post shows up in the twitter feeds of redsox fans for more page views. 😀

        Reply
    • slider32

      14 years ago

      AJ will win 14 games for the Yanks this year. Burnett is 121-111 in 12 seasons with a 4.10 ERA not too shabby. This is better than Don Larson for his career.

      Reply
      • 0bsessions

        14 years ago

        John Lackey won twelve for the Sox this year, doesn’t change the fact he stunk out loud. Yeah, it’s entirely feasible Burnett will have fourteen decisions that come up as wins for him, but the Yankees offense will have a lot more to do with that than him not being a bad pitcher.

        Reply
        • slider32

          14 years ago

          John Lackey isn’t pitching this year, he will get no wins. Dice K insn’t pitching this year he will get not wins, Johan Santana didn’t pitch last year, and go no wins. Who would you rather have.

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          • yahoo-XUZ2IDV7UTSOQSKTUIV4OXEHJU

            14 years ago

            Are my only two choices AJ Burnett or Don Larsen?

            Reply
        • BeenThereDoneIt

          14 years ago

          LOL, I remember him being up something like 11-0 after the second and he couldnt even make it to the fifth inning to get the decision. He left in the 4th with the score at 11-7 or something close to that.

          Reply
  6. ice_hawk1002

    14 years ago

    if the issue is simply not having enough amateur scouts, why not just hire more? how do they expect to do their homework on young talent in other organizations??

    Reply
  7. Lefty

    14 years ago

    This whole blog story is about players except for the Orioles section.

    Duquette is talking about scouts!

    What is wrong with this picture?

    Come on Dan Da Man step up to the plate with Angelos and convince him to sign Oswalt and Kuroda and leave Prince Fielder for another team!

    Reply
    • cacavolante

      14 years ago

      thank god you arent running the orioles.

      Reply
      • Lefty

        14 years ago

        You type this because you live a life of fear!
        Live a little Caca… Live a little!

        Reply
        • cacavolante

          14 years ago

          no, i type this because i just lived through a string of mediocre to brutal gm’s and i finally see a guy trying to clean up our scouting and player development and im encouraged by it. besides it would probably take 15 mil to get oswalt here and i can watch the pitchers we already have get hit all over the yard for much cheaper than that.

          Reply
  8. Wilsonl

    14 years ago

    Another Gonzalez for the Red Sox?

    Reply
    • 0bsessions

      14 years ago

      God, I hope not. Someone’s going to overpay for him and I don’t want it to be us.

      Reply
      • Rangersfan32 2

        14 years ago

        Yeah a combination of high walk rates and facing the AL East offenses day in and day out doesn’t scream success to me. Sox would be wise to look elsewhere. Honestly, wouldn’t it make perfect sense to pick up a Oswalt or Kuroda on a short term deal?

        Reply
        • James Scheuerman

          14 years ago

          Someone’s going to pay Oswalt 10 million to rehab his back at their facility. 

          Reply
    • KyleB

      14 years ago

      A less talented Gonzalez.

      Reply
  9. No Neck

    14 years ago

    Missed it by THAT much

    Reply
    • johnsmith4

      14 years ago

      LOL AA = Get Smart

      * Edit * AA must also have a “cone of silence”

      Reply
      • soxxxxx

        14 years ago

        wouldnt exceeding Dice K’s bid have made some sense? It just seems strange to bid 100,000k less than the dice-k bid

        Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          14 years ago

           nothing about the bidding system makes sense

          if the rangers had bid 49 million you would applaud AA.

          The winner wins, thats it

          Reply
  10. Jose_Bautista

    14 years ago

    There is no definitive proof of 50MM bid from Jays. All speculation. Nowhere in the article it’s confirmed.

    No one from Jays front office including GM has either confirmed bidding or not bidding. So yes, WE WILL NEVER KNOW.

    It’s just bunch of speculations, there couldve been NO bid. Or a bid less than 30MM.

    Reply
    • stl_cards16

      14 years ago

      For Jays fans that had their hopes built up sake, I really hope they bid over $50MM.  If not all of this was just hype and they were never really serious about landing Darvish.  With how good he has been in Japan, you knew it was going to be right at Dice K’s record.

      Reply
  11. Encarnacion's Parrot

    14 years ago

    Dear Griffin: Please stop trolling my already torn heart.

    Reply
  12. joeybw

    14 years ago

    How?

    Padres have too many 1B, Rays need a 1B. Rays have too many SP’s (if possible) and Padres need one.

    This is one of the GM’s trying to rip the other one off. Either Friedman is offering some mid level prospect SP instead of a Wade Davis type or Byrnes is asking for Shields.

    Reply
    • Bob M.

      14 years ago

      for real just give them Wade Davis.

      Reply
    • Rangersfan32 2

      14 years ago

      You want Davis? If I was going after a Rays starter, Davis would be near the bottom of my list.

      Reply
      • joeybw

        14 years ago

        Dude, that’s kinda the point. I’m a Rays fan.

        Reply
    • markr

      14 years ago

      i would hope byrnes is asking for hak ju lee

      Reply
      • michael

        14 years ago

        I would hope he likes the sound of laughter. Beckham would be closer.

        Reply
        • markr

          14 years ago

          a borderline non-prospect who showed some signs of life this season and can’t stay at shortstop which significantly hurts his value, for a top 20 offensive prospect in the game..riiight

          lee had an outstanding season at a difficult position to fill, but he’s still a bit away from the majors. rizzo tore up AAA at the same age of lee, there’s value on both sides of this proposal.

          Reply
    • AirmanSD

      14 years ago

      “Padres have too many 1B, Rays need a 1B. Rays have too many SP’s (if possible) and Padres need one.”

      There is the misconception. The Padres don’t need a SP, they would not mind netting one provided he has higher upside then their current options. The Padres currently have ready for the majors Stuaffer/Luebke/Richards/Volquez/Moseley/Bass. None of them are top flight, but neither is Davis. In addition the Padres have Kelly/Castro/Erlin/Wieland/Oramas/Hernandez all in AA or higher and near ready. Pitching isn’t what the Padres are targeting, unless it clearly institutes an upgrade.

      The Padres are still after hitting and position players specifically at SS. The Padres want a prospect that matches Rizzo’s value that plays SS, that’s the problem with the match up. The Rays don’t want to give up Lee (which would be an overpay), and that has to be who the Padres want for Rizzo. According to minorleagueball’s John Sickles the both rate as B+ type prospect the difference being the positions and SS is far harder to find then a 1B. But that is irrevelant to the Padres, SS is the only true weakness in their system. Thats the hole that the Padres hope to fill in any Rizzo deal.

      Remember the Padres have at least 2 option years remaining with Rizzo, this isn’t something that have to do right now. Depth is never a bad thing.  

      Reply
      • Beersy 2

        14 years ago

        You are correct.  The last thing the Padres need to do is trade Rizzo for a mid rotation starter, they have plenty of those on the way.  If they can’t pry a SS from somebody, an athletic outfielder who can hit for average and field wouldn’t hurt either.  If Byrnes can’t work an extension out with Maybin they will have to replace him down the road.  I’ve said it before on here, Rizzo to the A’s for Choice.  That deal would benefit both teams.

        Reply
        • James Scheuerman

          14 years ago

          The A’s don’t want a 1st basemen. They already have Barton, Brandon Allen, Chris Carter and Kila Ka’huehue(whatever his name is). Choice is about the only decent prospect they have. They aren’t giving him up. 

          Reply
          • BeenThereDoneIt

            14 years ago

            If you cant remember his name, he probably isnt worth much,

            Reply
          • Beersy 2

            14 years ago

            Bartons’ bat really doesn’t fit the 1st basemans role, Rizzo would be an upgrade.  Carter can play the outfield and the A’s also could use Rizzo or any of these guys at DH.  As for their farm system, I think Parker, Green, Gray, Cabrera, and Taylor would have something to say about the A’s only having one decent prospect.

            Reply
  13. Fstuffup

    14 years ago

    50 MILLION!?! NOOOOOO!!! I would rather have them not bid at all than lose by that much such a heartbreaker!!!!!!

    Reply
  14. nats2012

    14 years ago

    Do they lose that money or get it back?

    Reply
    • joeybw

      14 years ago

      They get it back. Even the Rangers get their money back if they can’t sign him.

      Reply
      • nats2012

        14 years ago

        Oh, that’s not bad but should have bid 55 mil just to lock him up.

        Reply
        • joeybw

          14 years ago

          They had no idea what the other teams bid but they had to figure 50 mil+ would be enough.

          Reply
          • nats2012

            14 years ago

            Yeah but you had to know it was gonna be a little more than Dice K.

            Reply
            • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

              14 years ago

              nope, no one “had to know”

              Reply
              • Lunchbox45

                14 years ago

                I’m surprised it got this high

                I was thinking 40-45 million easily takes it

                Reply
  15. sammykhalifa

    14 years ago

    I don’t understand baseball any more.  They think it’s an outrage that will not stand for teams to pay 5 million to a second-round draft pick, but are totally cool with the idea of sending out $50MM just for the rights to talk to someone and maybe get him to play.

    Reply
    • nats2012

      14 years ago

      Great point.

      Reply
    • KyleB

      14 years ago

      I agree partially, but at the same time Darvish is ready to come over and contribute now, where as draft picks usually take 3-4 years or so to develop.

      Reply
      • Ryan Aguirre

        14 years ago

        But we don’t know what TX is getting with Darvish

        Reply
    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

      14 years ago

      It’s not for the rights to talk to him, it’s to buy him out of his obligation to play for the Nippon Ham Fighters. If there was no posting fee the Fighters would be losing their best pitcher for nothing.

      Reply
      • sammykhalifa

        14 years ago

        Okay.  So why isn’t it OK for the Royals to buy Bubba Starling out of his obligation to be a quarterback for Nebraska, or for the Pirates to buy Josh Bell out of his decision to go to Texas? 

        Reply
        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

          14 years ago

          Um, what? That’s exactly what they did.

          Reply
    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

      14 years ago

      double post woohoooooooo

      Reply
  16. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex

    14 years ago

    ROGERS IS CHEAP BLAH BLAH BLAH

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      14 years ago

      can’t believe they didn’t bid an extra 1.8 million! gosh!!

      Reply
  17. nestleraisinets

    14 years ago

    trade burnett to the mariners for 1 wii for CC…

    Reply
  18. NYPOTENCE

    14 years ago

    Please someone take this heap of s*** off the Yankees’ shoulders. I bet he would do fairly well in the right situation just not in the “bright lights”.

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      14 years ago

      As a jay fan, this may be shocking to hear.. but I don’t want him here

      Reply
  19. MeOnTheInternet

    14 years ago

    AA got outsmarted, too cute with the bid and lost

    Reply
    • sal

      14 years ago

      outsmarted? how can you outsmart someone on a blind bid?

      Reply
      • H E I N Z

        14 years ago

        The same way you get outsmarted in The Price Is Right when you bet 1 dollar more. 

        The thing is, for some reason they figured nobody was gonna bid what people bid for Dice K….Rangers took the rumours that Yu wanted his posting to be higher than Dice K’s because he feels he’s better than him. Rangers took the chance and bid a little higher…..and won.

        IMO. outsmarted. 

        but I’m glad AA and Rogers were willing to spend 50MM +.

        Reply
        • AJCBE

          14 years ago

          But on the Price is Right, everyone knows each other’s bid, so that analogy fails. Jays put out what they were comfortable with. That’s all you can do in this system. Has nothing to do with being outsmarted.

          Reply
  20. YODA777

    14 years ago

    The only way the Rays get Rizzo is by starting with Lee and adding another prospect.  Rizzo is rated the number 1 first base prospect in all of baseball.  Furthermore, outside of the offensive stiffling Petco Park,  Rizzo will become a masher.  Lee would fit into the Padres collection of excellent elite prospects, as they really do not have an upper level shortstop prospect at the moment. 

    Reply
    • AirmanSD

      14 years ago

      Stop. Please. Its a dream if you think that Rizzo is worth more then Lee. Yes, Rizzo has a chance to be an elite level masher at 1B. But you are really undervaluing Lee here. Lee has a chance to be above average both offensively and defensively at SS. The both could bust or both become all-stars. But at this point they are both unproven prospects, with basically equal overall value. The difference is that one is that shortstops are harder to produce. Thus Lee has greater value even if he is slightly further away.

      Besides you have to look at how it impacts the Rays to make that deal. The Rays have had problems filling their long term SS as well. Lee might be the answer, which is why they will value him more then if they had a SS truly entrenched at the position.

      But that is just my position. I for one don’t understand the Rays fans who believe that Davis is worth Rizzo, but I also can not understand Padres fans who think he is worth something of a package of prospects.

      Reply
  21. Douglas Rau

    14 years ago

    What’s the point in bidding only $20 million for Darvish?  The Yankees must have known the bidding would be in Dice-K range.  If you’re going to give such a low ball bid, why bid at all?

    Reply
    • snowmen10

      14 years ago

      I think it’s just like what happened when Yankee bid Nakajima… They throw something in just for the sake of it… If everybody feels Darvish is the next Dice-K and will not bid high, then they can pick him up.

      Yankee usually spend tons of money on a proven players in the MLB. Igawa is something unusual…

      Reply
  22. Bogtrotter6

    14 years ago

    According to Jeff Blair of The Globe and Mail, the 50MM figure is incorrect for the Blue Jays bid. Blair claims that it was quite a bit lower- closer to 40MM; he seems  confident that this lower figure is more accurate.

    Reply

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