Braves, Orioles Discussed Jones, Pitchers

The Braves and Orioles discussed a possible Adam Jones trade recently, but talks didn’t progress far, ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reports (all Twitter links). The Orioles wanted Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and at least two of Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado. The Braves weren’t interested at that price, Crasnick writes.

Conflicting reports about the Braves’ interest level in Jones emerged yesterday, but it appears some preliminary discussions occurred. Orioles GM Dan Duquette joined Jim Bowden and Casey Stern on MLB Network Radio this week and explained that the Orioles are trying to "build around" Jones. "When you have some good players, other teams are interested," he said. "We're not marketing Adam Jones." However, he stopped short of guaranteeing that Jones would stay put.


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193 Comments on "Braves, Orioles Discussed Jones, Pitchers"


NYBravosFan10
3 years 8 months ago

That’s a perfectly understandable request if you’ve said your player isn’t on the market. Usually teams have to be blown away in order to change their mind and that type of offer would definitely do the trick

chico65
3 years 8 months ago

So was it two of that group plus Jurrjens and Prado, or just two of that group?  Can’t blame Duquette for trying.  I’d think just one of those youngsters plus Jurrjens and Prado would be enough for Dan though.

esasc4
3 years 8 months ago

No way! JJ,prado and one of above? crazy, they can have JJ and someone like sprill,chapman,or redman Jones just isnt worth it.

3 years 8 months ago

how is jones not worth it he is a 5 tool player that is proven at the majors 

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

Jones has “proven” nothing except that he has never been above a 2.9 WAR player with marginal defense.  Jones and Jurrjens are roughly equivalent players.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

If Adam Jones is a “5 tool player that is proven at the majors” then Jair Jurrjens is Cy Young-caliber…which he’s not.

OhthePossibilities
3 years 8 months ago

I think the problem with Braves’ fans considering the value of JJ and Prado is they don’t take into account the very real injury concerns that come with both players.  Sure, when they’re healthy they’ve proven that they are each about the same caliber of player as Jones or possibly better (depending on the year), but neither has the track record health wise that Jones does and JJ’s peripherals are a bit scary.  That said, Jones’ OBP can be off-putting as well.

I think 2 of those pitching prospects plus JJ would get the deal done for the O’s.

3 years 8 months ago

He is nowhere near worth that haul

OhthePossibilities
3 years 8 months ago

Thanks for supplying a good argument.

Nixa37
3 years 8 months ago

Jones isn’t even worth one of those prospects plus JJ.  Personally I wouldn’t trade one them straight up for Jones, but I could see the reasoning for doing so.  

3 years 8 months ago

well jones has hit 26 homeruns he is a gold glover he has consistantly in the 270-280 mark has a good risp  has speed and a pretty good arm 

3 years 8 months ago

derek jeter is also a gold glover. 
brett gardner is not.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Almost the exact same was said for Nate McClouth – 26 HR (’08 in AS year), Gold Glove (’08) – hitting around .265 with some speed — and you see how he turned out in Atlanta. 

What’s my point? Not everyone turns out to be the superstar based on the stats you’re indicating. Gold gloves are NOT the mark of a good defender, while home runs aren’t the mark of a good hitter. And as for Adam Jones’ All-Star…remember every team, including bad teams, has to be represented in the All-Star Game. One team’s All-Star is a better team’s #7-hitter.

Nixa37
3 years 8 months ago

And Jurrjens has 16th best ERA in baseball since 2008 among pitchers with at least 500 IP.  One of these things is far more impressive than the other.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Sorry, that’s not worth it with all the interest in both. We held out giving up 1, possibly 2 of our coveted pitching prospects for Hunter Pence who is a more complete player than Adam Jones, so why would be give in now and trade 2 from our starting lineup for 1 guy that has 2 years left before FA? 

I’d only consider that trade if we’re talking about Justin Upton. 

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

Voice of reason.  You should be the Braves fan representative. 

Michael Gardiner
3 years 8 months ago

It is when Prado is better than Jones in WAR. Jones is an average AT BEST offensive player. There is no way he is worth 2 decent guys with a lot of ML experience as well as 2 of their 5 prized prospects all of whom have pitched in the majors as well.

Quacktastic_Duck
3 years 8 months ago

Wow… talk about some unrealistic demands. Frank Wren and the group must have had a pretty good laugh about that. No wonder the talks stopped quickly.

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

The only group of folks who overvalue their players more then Braves fans are Orioles general managers.  ^_^

Rangersfan32
3 years 8 months ago

Yankee fans have to be pretty close.

Phillip_Cannon
3 years 8 months ago

JLAW is such a lamer. The Braves should have at least countered. “how about jurrjens, prado, and three of the above!”

3 years 8 months ago

Give them Minor, Redmond, Hicks and JJ Hover and Adam Milligan for A Jones. thats wht they get. Nothing more than that. take it or leave

bobskube
3 years 8 months ago

Pretty easy “leave it” I think.

Not saying it isn’t a fair offer, just that the Os would probably decline.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

I wouldn’t give up Mike Minor for him.  I would not give up any of the young pitchers for him….he isn’t worth it. 

Adam Jones and Nick Markakis are two of the most overrated players in baseball.

switchhitingjesus
3 years 8 months ago

How is Markakis overrated? No one ever talks about him.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

He meant to describe Markakis as overpaid (will be paid $59.5M through 2015). If it weren’t for his salary, I’d love for him to be a Brave – he’s from Woodstock, GA.

3 years 8 months ago

Markakis is why you don’t make long term signings after a player has a massive surge in BABIP, like he did in his 2008 season.

vtadave
3 years 8 months ago

He’s still hitting in the .280s-.290s range. I’m more concerned with the drop in ISO than BABIP.

3 years 8 months ago

markakis is probably the most underated in baseball he perenially has 180+ hits he is a gold glover and probably one of the best outfeild arms iin the game

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

You may be one of the most underrated Orioles haters in posting. 

esasc4
3 years 8 months ago

maybe viscaino, sprill, or chapman, but not 2 of the above. or minor and chapman.

3 years 8 months ago

This sounds more likely than the garbage yesterday of Prado and Jurrjens being turned down.  The Braves will enjoy life without Adam Jones better than life with him minus a kings ransom. 

Ron Loreski
3 years 8 months ago

Please not Mike Minor. Putting him in the AL East will kill his fantasy value =(

TheHotCorner
3 years 8 months ago

I like adam jones but unless he starts finding a way to get on base more I think that price is too high.  A guy with a career .319 OBP is nothing special. 

Suh Girls One Cup
3 years 8 months ago

Laughably high.

3 years 8 months ago

This trade between the Braves and Orioles is ridiculous.
Who’s going to be our centerfielder if we trade Jones to the Braves?
It could be Cespedes, but he is a really big question mark, if indeed the Orioles sign him. One major question is can Jim Presley fix that long swing of his by the end of “Spring Training”. Lastly, if I have said it once I have said many times! The Orioles should do a trade with the Marlins. Sign Oswalt and Kuroda and roll the dice that way. Otherwise, we all are wasting our time!

PS Who is the one fanning the flames on this rumor?

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

The Baltimore Sun is the one fanning the flames. Reporting bogus rumors. What else do they have to report on besides Ripken?

3 years 8 months ago

Nah, I don’t think it’s the Sun. One of the writers gave him the MVO Award before one of the final games of the season. Plus, what’s wrong with talking about Ripken, it’s far wrong, it’s far from wrong!
They could also talk about Brooks Robinson as well and that’s far from wrong as well!

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Nothing wrong with talking about Ripken. I love the guy and I’m not an O’s fan. I’m just illustrating how little there is for The Sun to be reporting on because of the current state of their franchise.

3 years 8 months ago

who cares about cf! you guys would’ve gotten prado(a lifetime better hitter than jones alone), and 3 major league ready starters. orioles trying to ROB the braves

chaifetz10
3 years 8 months ago

Well they’re not going to just hand him over for Brooks Conrad and a PTBNL either…the whole point of trades is to get as much value as you possibly can.  

El_Bobo
3 years 8 months ago

That’s a ridiculous amount of value for someone who hasn’t gotten past a 3 WAR

OrangeCards
3 years 8 months ago

Prado and Jones play different positions. It matters.

ballajim
3 years 8 months ago

never hurts too ask. looks like best for both sides to move on. if braves were not going to give up two of that bunch for pence they are not going to do it for jones

Clay Chason
3 years 8 months ago

AGREED. Move on to actually improving the team maybe?

3 years 8 months ago

If I were Wren, I would have considered a package of Prado and Delgado. If they wanted one other piece, maybe Hoover or Gilmartin.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

Jurrjens alone would be equal value for Adam Jones.  Prado is a better hitter and there is no way you give up a top 50 prospect like Delgado for a marginal player like Jones.

Lunchbox45
3 years 8 months ago

but why would the orioles want jurrjens especially when they are trading one of their best players? 

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

I never said that the Orioles wanted Jurrjens.  I was merely pointing out that trade value wise that Jurrjens and Jones are equivalent players.  Asking for Jurrjens, Prado, and two of the top young prospects in baseball was ridiculous.

Casor_Greener
3 years 8 months ago

Do you really think GMs look at WAR to determine who is the better player?  Jones appears to be trending up, while Jurrgens is falling apart (health wise) lot’s of things determine a players’ value besides WAR.

If that was the case anybody could use fangraphs to be a GM

Nixa37
3 years 8 months ago

Jurrjens is falling apart?  Because he has had knee issues?

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

Hard to pitch on one leg…

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Jurrjens had surgery on his non-pitching knee and he is 100% now and has been clocked recently in the mid-90’s.

I’d rather have his knee issue than arm/shoulder problems with/without TJ surgery.

nictonjr
3 years 8 months ago

If 14 thinks Jurrjens=Jones, and Wren want a ‘Greinke deal’ for Jurrjens, the Orioles should ask for more than a ‘Greinke deal’ for Jones.  I don’t see anything out of line with Baltimore’s asking price for a player they don’t want to trade…

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Get real, Jurrjens doesn’t offer any value to the Orioles.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 8 months ago

A starting pitcher with a long injury history and declining stuff going to the AL East, who by the way is a Scott Boras client and is becoming very expenseive (the reason he’s being shopped) is = to a 5 tool Centerfielder under control until 2014?

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Nixa37
3 years 8 months ago

Jones has the same amount of years of team control (through 2013, not 2014) and projects to earn as much or more through arbitration.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Absolutely ridiculous to think about trading our 2011 1st rd pitcher (Gilmartin) as a throw-in. They’d be getting 3 premium players including 1 former AS. For Adam Jones, what a scrub.

OhthePossibilities
3 years 8 months ago

You can’t use the AllStar appearance to your advantage and then call Adam Jones a scrub.  He was an AllStar too.  Your argument is illogical.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Sorry, I have explained my reasoning why Jones is overrated in other posts and don’t want to have to fully explain myself in posts where it’s irrelevant. I was replying in regards to including Gilmartin in a trade. I can use the AS title if the trade the original poster was proposing included 2 AS (Prado/JJ) and possibly a premium prospect (like a 1st rd selection) for 1 AS (Adam Jones). Doesn’t make sense…even if he exactly fit our need, which he doesn’t. 

I’ve said it before…Adam Jones’ numbers, gold glove, and All-Star title make him quite comparable to Nate McClouth before he came to the Braves.

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

That’s still an overpay.

I would rather have Prado on my club then Adam Jones.  Prado is a better baseball player.  I’d bench Adam Jones if I had Prado.

nm344
3 years 8 months ago

Prado is not that good

Jeff
3 years 8 months ago

He had a bad 2011, with the second half largely due to a staph infection.  He’s more likely to approach 2010 numbers then 2011, though 2010 might be a career year.

For a LFer, he’s decent, but we’ll need a 3B soon, he’ll be really good there.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

Jones is worse.

3 years 8 months ago

Nothing against Adam Jones who is a good player but he is nothing special.He is a Mike Cameron clone without the high OBP

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Cameron had better defense.

ballajim
3 years 8 months ago

id rather give up minor than delgado

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Completely agree. Minor’s 1st rd draft pick status alone can get us more for him than Delgado, while the scouting reports on Delgado are much better. Gilmartin can be our lone southpaw in future rotations.

CowboyJames
3 years 8 months ago

Gotta keep minor. He’s your only left handed starter

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

2011 1st rd pick LHP Sean Gilmartin, whom they’re very high on, is whizzing through development leagues on much of the same track Minor was on when he appeared a year after being drafted out of Vandy with a 1st rd selection. From what I read, we’re at a point where if Minor doesn’t pull away from his fellow pitching prospects, we can use him as trade bait and when/if we do need a LHP in the future rotations, we have Gilmartin.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

LOL!!!  The Orioles are out of the minds to think the Braves would trade TWO of Minor, Teheran, Beachy, Vizcaino and Delgado PLUS Jurrjens and Prado for Adam Stinkin’ Jones.  Who do they think he is…..Justin Upton???  The guy is a marginal centerfielder who has moderate power but strikes out waaaaaay too much.  He has never even had a 3.0 WAR season. 

I like Frank Wren but why was he interested in Jones to begin with?  He has reverse splits, meaning he hits right handed pitchers better than lefties.  The Braves need a right handed hitter who hits like a right handed hitter.  He also has a terrible OBP and his power would likely decrease in a move from Camden Yard to Turner Field.  Martin Prado is a better overall hitter than Adam Jones. 

Blech….glad this trade got shot down.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Where does it say they wanted that in addition to Jurrjens and Prado?

Sounds more to me like they just wanted Minor Leaguers more than guys who would only be on the team for two years at best, which is exactly what I was saying yesterday.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

MLB’s Mark Bowman reported that BAL asked about Jones for Prado, JJ, and “2 premium prospects” meaning the 2 pitchers listed. It’s not listed in this article, but JJ/Prado would be going, if Bowman’s report is true.

0bsessions
3 years 8 months ago

Okay, well, that would be insane then.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

This is just like everyone freaking out about the Gio Gonzalez rumors…

It’s beyond obvious that the Orioles don’t want to trade Jones. They never said he was on the market, and Duquette has said multiple times that Jones is one of the players he wants to build around.

So, if they don’t actually want to trade him, why wouldn’t they ask for a king’s ransom?

Is this really that difficult to understand?

notsureifsrs
3 years 8 months ago

if they were offered one of minor, beachy, teheran, or delgado for jones, they should have taken it

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

Indeed.

Fifty_Five
3 years 8 months ago

The point is, they SHOULD want to trade him though. You could cut that return in half and it would still be an overpay. Meant to go to your first one

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

This isn’t difficult for me to understand. So Jones is available. If you’re taking calls from GMs on a player, they’re available. 

Adam Jones isn’t a Dan Duquette acquisition and with only 2 years until FA, I’ll believe that he’s a part of their rebuilding when I see an Adam Jones extension or someone better than Jeremy Guthrie as their Opening Day starter — how pathetic.

not_brooks
3 years 8 months ago

I’m not saying that it makes sense.

I would love to see Jones traded for a high upside prospect or two. But it doesn’t seem like Duquette is going to make that trade.

Actually, I have no idea what Duquette is doing. I like the Wada signing and I love the expanded international presence, but I’d really love to know if he thinks the Orioles will be competitive at any point over the next three years. And if he does, I’d love to know how he’s going to make that happen.

And if he doesn’t believe that the O’s will be competitive at any point over the next three years, now is the time to trade Jones, J.J. Hardy, Jeremy Guthrie, Mary Reynolds and Nick Markakis (if you can get someone to take that albatross contract. Too bad Tony Reagins was fired…).

End rant.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

Well, if they’re taking fliers on Fielder, then they think they’ll be players sometime soon…or they just need some new coffee table material in the front office.

3 years 8 months ago

It doesn’t say plus prado and jj.  I think it was just two from that list.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

Nope, it was Prado, JJ AND two from that list. 

Michael Gardiner
3 years 8 months ago

“The Orioles wanted Jair Jurrjens, Martin Prado and at least two of Brandon Beachy, Mike Minor, Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado.”

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

This all solidifies that Jones means much more to BAL than he would with anyone else. If nothing else, that just shows you the mediocrity they’re playing with…they’re not a good match for a trade and they won’t be. Let’s move on.

Thomas W
3 years 8 months ago

It might just be possible that you and the other Braves fans like Prado a bit more than Wren does

Triple Hawpes Brewed
3 years 8 months ago

2 off of that list? GO FISH!

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

This runs parallel to what MLB’s Mark Bowman wrote about the trade, that ATL never offered BAL JJ/Prado for Jones, but that BAL came back and asked if ATL would trade JJ/Prado and from what his source referred to as “2 other premium guys”…possibly referring to our coveted pitching prospects.

Considering we wouldn’t give those 2 prospects up for Hunter Pence, why would we do that for Adam Jones? We didn’t give up any to get 1.5 years of service from Bourn.

However, it was completely reasonable for Duquette to inquire. But building around Adam Jones? 

Matt Talbert
3 years 8 months ago

Might not be mad at a Jones for Jurrjens straight up swap.

3 years 8 months ago

Can’t imagine the orioles would that.  Jair has an injury history.  Also the orioles are trying to build that is why they are asking for prospects not big league guys with only a few years away from free agency.

Rangersfan32
3 years 8 months ago

If the Orioles were serious about building they’d ask for a trade of an overrated Jones for a package led with one of the Braves top pitching prospects. that’d be much closer to reality.

setupunchtag
3 years 8 months ago

As someone who doesn’t have a horse in this race, I was actually thinking the same thing. Jones isn’t worth 2 on the list above. The O’s are smart for asking, though, and the Braves are smart for saying ‘no’.

Brv Rocks
3 years 8 months ago

That is actually a fair trade.  Both have the same amount of MLB service time, both had identical WAR ratings last season, and both even made the same amount of money through arbitration. 

If the Orioles were being reasonable there could have been a three way trade.  Jurrjens to a team for prospects, the prospects to the Orioles and Jones to the Braves.

Even at that I’m glad there was no trade.  Jones is what the Braves DON’T need….Jeff Francoeur part II.

Rabbitov
3 years 8 months ago

You know I like Braves fans and am friends with a lot of them, but comments like this: 
“Jones is what the Braves DON’T need….Jeff Francoeur part II.”Give all of you a bad name. 

CowboyJames
3 years 8 months ago

How is that?

smt1
3 years 8 months ago

Whatever Jones is to the Orioles, he’s far less valuable to the Braves. He wouldn’t play CF in Atlanta for at least another year, he’d play LF, and as a LF, he’s not as valuable anyways. Besides, Prado can play LF and is better offensively, and has similar service time.

Bob Miller
3 years 8 months ago

The O’s have already turned down the offer of Jurrjens, Prado, and a prospect for Jones. Jones is gonna be a star, and Jurrjens and Prado can’t stay healthy. For all of these Braves fans that overvalue their own players… sorry. It’s the truth.

If the Braves want Jones, it will take Jurrjens, Prado, and one of those “stud” pitching prospects. They are called prospects for a reason, because they haven’t done anything yet. Heck.. Teheran has been lit up every time he called up.

It’s just the truth.

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

They may be overvaluing Jurrjens & Prado, but your overvaluing Jones. Jones may have some power, but he strikes out way too much & he has a career .319 OBP. He’ll also be a free agent in 2 years. 

Bob Miller
3 years 8 months ago

You’re right about his K’s.

The point of these discussions are that the Orioles are not marketing Jones. They have no intentions of trading him. The Braves are trying to get rid of Jurrjens and Prado. So the Braves are gonna have to come strong with their offer. There’s nothing wrong with the O’s asking for the moon 1st and then coming down a little. That’s how negotiating goes.

rundmc1981
3 years 8 months ago

ATL isn’t trying to “get rid” of JJ and Prado. They’re available in the right deal. JJ is coming off an All-Star season and has 2 years remaining before free agency and is affordable. Prado can play multiple positions at an All-Star level and is affordable. If we can’t upgrade by replacing them, then we’re not going to make a deal. It’s not like either are going to FA in 2013…we just want a power upgrade and/or OF assurances if CF Bourn leaves via free agency in 2012. Why is that so difficult to understand?