Rangers, Napoli Discussing Long-Term Extension

The Rangers have had several discussions with catcher Mike Napoli regarding a long-term contract extension, a source tells Richard Durrett of ESPNDallas.com, although the talks are still early in the process. Napoli is arbitration eligible for the final time this offseason and is slated to earn $9.2MM in 2012 through that process, according to the model created by Matt Swartz for MLBTR.

Napoli, who turned 30 in October, enjoyed a career season with the Rangers after being traded twice following the 2010 season. The right-handed hitter posted single-season bests with 30 homers, 75 RBIs, and a .320/.414/.631 line. 

Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com first reported earlier this month that the Rangers were hopeful of working out an extension with Napoli.


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  1. txranger14 4 years ago

    I’d give him 4yr/50m

    • Seems reasonable.

      • I’d still rather lock up Kinsler and Hamilton before Napoli.

        • rangersfan32 4 years ago

          Who cares what order as long as they all get locked up?

          • Hamilton is a former MVP and Kinsler is a rare 2nd baseman that can hit for power and steal bases, not to mention his exceptional defense.

          • rangersfan32 4 years ago

            And Napoli proved last year that he’s a rare catcher with good power, solid average, and solid defense/game calling. Texas can afford all of these guys, it just depends on how long this drags out.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Ummmmm….power hitting C (played about 50% of his games there) who has managed to be a good, sometimes great, OBP machine. That’s probably as “rare” as they get.

            I do however, think that one has to value him with caution as last year was clearly a vast hike from his usual production. 

            Unlike Bautista/Jays, the Rangers don’t have the luxury of waiting one more year to see if he can duplicate what he did in 2011 since he’s a free agent after this upcoming season.

          • rangersfan32 4 years ago

            His average may be a mirage, but even if his BA is around .280, with his good walk rate, high power and solid defense, he is worth it.

          • stl_cards16 4 years ago

            Actually, the Jays locked Bautista up one year away from free agency after  1 1/4 monster years, right?  That could be a good comparison IMO.

            Unless I am wrong about how long the Jays had Bautista under control when they locked him up.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            you are correct.

          • John McFadin 4 years ago

            Former MVP is the key here.  Rangers should let Hamilton walk.

          • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

            I agree and I could see the guy in Boston next year

          • dc21892 4 years ago

            More likely NY.

          • Most likely neither of those two.

          • Are you crazy? He would have had the same production this year if he wouldn’t have been out for 2 months with a broken arm. Even with that, he hit 25 homers.

          • John McFadin 4 years ago

            No, are you?

          • Hypothetically they could wait until next winter to lock up Kinsler just to see how Profar progresses and to see if a pitcher like Felix becomes available, in which case we would lose Profar and have to re-sign Kinsler.
            That being said, Kinsler is my favorite player and I would very much like to see him locked up for the long-haul.

          • oz10 4 years ago

            If he could just level that swing out he would be a top 5 MVP every year and a .350 hitter. I really want to tlike him but the pop ups drive me insane!!! I like his OBP though.

          • Theoretically because you might not have the money to keep the others after you’ve signed the first couple players.

            If you’re positive that you can afford all of them, it doesn’t really matter.

          • vtadave 4 years ago

            Pretty sure the Rangers are swimming in cash after that TV deal.

          • It doesn’t kick in for a few years. These extensions would require major backloading.

    • diesel2410 4 years ago

      That’s hogwash. WAY too much for a .250+ career hitter

      • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

        his career batting average is .264 and his career wRC+ is 130 – 30% better than a league average hitter. that’s great for anyone and phenomenal for a catcher

      • rangersfan32 4 years ago

        Catchers with insane power, ability to get on base (even despite a lower BA), and good defense are hard to come by.

      • vtadave 4 years ago

        Batting average eh?  So who’s better – Mark Teixeira or James Loney?

  2. I hope he chokes on a chicken leg…  :(  I still love you Nap

  3. kimofromkauai 4 years ago

    Three years and $30M max or the Rangers will be very sorry.

    • diesel2410 4 years ago

      I completely agree. I was gonna say 4 years and $40 million though.

    • John McFadin 4 years ago

      LOL.  And why is that?

      • kimofromkauai 4 years ago

        He is no better than average behind the plate and catchers usually don’t age well if playing regularly.  Also, his bat won’t play at DH going forward – especially with Hamilton on the team.

        Don’t go nuts over his career season.  I would not sign him to any extension and let him play out his contract year and then talk after next season.

        • John McFadin 4 years ago

          Good job proving you don’t know much about Napoli.

        • I’m sorry, but Napoli was flat out great calling games this year, and I haven’t seen so many runners caught stealing since…oh, say…Pudge.

  4. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    Love watching Napoli.  The guy is a monster.  Must have been nice for him last season playing for a manager that recognized his talents and appreciated him.  I doubt he’ll keep up that high of an average, but the guy has a lot of value in his bat. 

    On a side note:  That line-up is just crazy.  When you have a guy like this hitting 6th or 7th, just nuts. 

    • Back off Sciosc.  Nap’s dWAR was negative every year he was with us and even when he did hit 26HR’s it came with a .238 bAve and 137 SO’s nearly 1/3 of his AB’s were SO’s that year…  He blossomed huge in TX, that’s cool and hindsite is always awesome.   

      • stl_cards16 4 years ago

        I’m not saying anything against Scioscia, Napoli wasn’t the type of player he wanted.

        I’m saying that it would be hard on Napoli.  I imagine going to work for your boss on a daily basis and knowing he would rather have someone else do the job would not be the ideal situation.  I’m sure he felt much more comfortable this year and that’s probably why he had more success.

        It’s not really hindsight though.  Pretty much everyone knew trading Napoli (some trade value) for Wells (negative trade value) was horrible to begin with.

    • rangersfan32 4 years ago

      I have to agree with you there. I’ve never seen a player become a fan favorite so quick here in Texas. JD needs to lock him up.

      • In game 2 of the ALCS when Napoli came up to bat it gave me chills hearing the entire ballpark chant NAP-O-LI. I’m happy that DFW is finally turning into a baseball town. I’ve been wanting that atmosphere since I was a kid, and i’ve always been envious of baseball towns like Boston and St. Louis. Napoli did turn into a fan favorite rather quickly.

  5. slider32 4 years ago

    Napoli is way over rated, career .260 hitter, anything over 3/25 is an overpay.

    • Even if he only hits .260, a catcher with his power and ability to get on base (career 11.6% walk rate) is worth a lot more than 3/25.

      Signing him to that deal would be a monster win for the Rangers.

      • rangersfan32 4 years ago

        Agreed. Not to mention his defense was highly underrated. His game calling and ability to throw out runners is very good.

    • rangersfan32 4 years ago

      I dunno. Last year he finally came into his own as a game caller. He also threw out runners at a solid rate and his bat improved wit every game. Maybe he was just waiting to have a manager who actually appreciated him to break out.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      Even if he regresses to a .260/.350 20-25 hr guy he would still be worth more than that (slightly) when you consider what guys with similar or lesser production (see McCann, Martin, etc) are going to make in 2012. 

  6. Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

    This is kind of like the situation with the Blue Jays and Bautista last year. Napoli had a great year and has one year of arb left. The difference is though I don’t think Napoli can keep up with anything close to that production. Even if his production dips a lot he’s still good and Tex should want him, but shoot he’s going to cost a lot if they extend him right now.

    • oz10 4 years ago

      But if they don’t sign him now and he has a huge season again next year then he will price himself out of us being able to get him. Even if he regresses a little, it could still be a win win for about 10-12 mm per for 4 years. Napoli gets his security and the Rangers get a good deal if he contiunues on this pace.

      • Cavman_Boland 4 years ago

        Yeah it’s kind of a risk either way. I wouldn’t do it but I said the same about Jose Bautista last offseason and look at the season he had. Sure proved me wrong.

  7. baschkar 4 years ago

    If the rangers could lock up 3 position players this offseason, my votes are for Fielder, Hamilton and Napoli. I think Kinsler would be great to keep, but Profar will be ready by the time Ian’s contract expires. Cruz is on the wrong side of 30 and injury prone, so unless he takes a Kubel-like contract (7.5mil/yr), let him walk. I love Cruz and Kins, but Fielder seems like a better investment long-term than Kins and Cruz combined, which would about the same amount of money annually.

    • John McFadin 4 years ago

      Please tell me you’re joking.  Keeping Kinsler over Hamilton isn’t even debatable.

      • baschkar 4 years ago

        Hamilton is one year older than Kinsler. So there’s not a big age difference. The ballpark more positively affects Hamilton than Kinsler. Plus we have a quality prospect replacement for Kinsler, don’t really have one for josh. And Josh won an MVP so despite his injury history, Hamilton is more valuable to the rangers than Kinsler, so keep Hambino over Kinsler.

        • I can see your point, but I honestly think that we won’t go after Fielder. I think they’re going to do their best to make Hamilton a fair offer for no more than 5 years. I think they’ll wait on Kinsler until next winter when they’ll have a better idea of where Profar is and if there’s a chance King Felix becomes available. In which case we’d have to re-sign Kinsler if we made a trade.
          Of course, if none of that happens we’ll have to figure out where to put Olt and Profar.

          • John McFadin 4 years ago

            While I do see Felix becoming available at some point, I really don’t see the Mariners trading him to a division rival.  I know they did it with Cliff, but the circumstances are different, plus Felix means so much more to the Mariners.

          • It could go either way. I don’t think there’s any ill-will between the Rangers and M’s. I think that they could come to an agreement, although it would cost us a premium since, as you stated, it’s within the division.
            I would lose my mind if we had a rotation of Hernandez, Darvish, Holland, Feliz, and Lewis/Harrison/Ogando.

          • John McFadin 4 years ago

            Makes my mouth water.  As a fellow Rangers fan, what do you feel about them winning the bid for Darvish?  Listening to 103.3 at work today, there seemed to be a lot of negativity by everyone not named Ben.  I, however, love it, and hope they can sign him.  Also a question, if he does sign, who would you like to see start opening day?  I’d go with Holland, rewarding him for that magical game in the World Series.

          • I feel like signing Darvish would be good. I have cautious optimism right now. I think he’ll be successful here if his work ethic is what they say it is…that’s one thing that made CJ a success here…that and our superb defense.
            I love listening to Ben and Skin, but honestly, Ben is really bad at analyzing things critically. I feel like he just looks at things on the surface. I remember he posted an article on espn Dallas talking about how the Rangers should absolutely go get Darvish and that he’s be so amazing here…and this was like a day after he just found out who Yu Darvish was.
            Nevertheless, I expect great things from Yu, and i’m sure he expects them from himself.
            Holland is my favorite pitcher (has been since he was about to come up) I told everyone that Holland has the best stuff on the team and that he WILL be the first Ranger in this rotation to throw a no-hitter…I still believe that.
            I think Colby gets the Opening Day start though. As of this very moment.

          • abbearden 4 years ago

            I think you’re right about Colby being the #1 in the rotation as of this moment. It seems they will be looking to him to anchor down the staff. Colby is a good pitcher but his in-game success completely rides on his ability to effectively throw his curve..not only for strike but with enough movement that hitters can’t tee of on it. He also likes to get ahead early in the count with his fastball (88-91 mph) which tends to get him in trouble if its evident early on his curve isn’t locating. I don’t mind him being the “#1″ right now simply because of his experience but I can see him being the next to leave the nest if he has another 14 or 15 win season. 

            Anxious to see Holland be more consistent this year and just dominate. Harrison as well..I think he flies under the radar but he could put up some good numbers again this year.

          • abbearden 4 years ago

            I cant imagine how amazing Felix’s stats would be if he had more consistent run support but it’s also pretty amazing he is only 25! Now I think he becomes a free agent in 2015 and Im sure the M’s will be offering him extensions of high dollar amount before the market can just go crazy.

            The M’s will more than likely be opting out of their current tv contract after the 2015 season and will probably have better contract ready to kick in by then which will net them more spending money. That should help them lock up Felix for several more years IF he wants to continue playing there. He might start getting the itch to be on a competitive team if the M’s management haven’t made enough progress to show they are heading in a positive direction.

          • baschkar 4 years ago

            Well these are just my preferences. I’m not saying the rangers will or won’t do anything. And I think the rangers would move Andrus to second and let Profar play short. Also I think we’ll see Olt start to pick up some time at first base because third base is occupied and I don’t think there’s much faith in Moreland long term.

          • I think they have faith in Moreland. This is his season. He’ll be healthy and the Rangers want him to show what he can do.

          • abbearden 4 years ago

            I’m a fan of Olt and he has gained alot of attention since doing really well in the Arizona Fall League this year but I would be surprised to see him up in MLB anytime soon. He faced some good talent in the AFL but I bet he will take the regular route of heading to Frisco to be evaluated for atleast half the season before being considered to move up to Round Rock. 

            Mitch is kind of on that same trial period as C. Davis was at this point it seems. If Mitch can’t produce as expected and the Rangers feel Olt can be fast tracked then I guess you could always potentially say maybe they package Mitch with someone to obtain more pitching. 

  8. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    Only 75 RBI? Clearly he sucks.

  9. What are people’s guesses as to what Nelson Cruz and Josh Hamilton would command on the open market in free agency? Interested to hear what people think.

  10. I’ve always liked Napoli, considering what the Rangers gave up for him and how he played in the post season if a modest deal can be made than this should work out pretty good for the Rangers. Taking a look at the better catchers in the league something around 4 years 42mil seems feasible for both sides. You know his agent is going to be referencing to Victor Martinez’s 4/50 he got from Detroit. Of course, as we all know Napoli is not V-mart, but coming off a very good season/post season I can see him getting a rather large contract.

  11. It’s not throwing away money if it keeps him from shopping around in free agency next year.

    Another good/solid season with a .250-.270 average, 20-30 HRs and maintaining his good walk rate and you can bet there would be a large group of teams vying for his services.

    It would really be throwing money away if he had a bunch of years of team control left.

  12. rangersfan32 4 years ago

    He has huge power and walks a lot. That plus an average around even .260 plus good defense is rare in catchers. So I’ll take that.

  13. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    that would really suck if his BABIP returned to normal and he was only a .400 wOBA catcher. what a burden

  14. rangersfan32 4 years ago

    He only played in 113 games last year because of the depth Texas has at catcher and 1B (they had 3 guys able to play catcher and 3 guys able to play 1B at the same time most of the season).

  15. Cautions people not to be certain that Napoli will be able to replicate some of last year’s success/improvement…

    …says with certainty that Napoli’s stats will decrease “substantially” next year.

    He could post a .370-.380 wOBA and still be a 4.5+ WAR catcher.  Probably best to circumvent a bidding war with other teams over that kind of excellent production.

  16. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    BABIP regression — the reason you said it would be ‘throwing away money’ to give him an extension — would have brought him to a wOBA around .400 last year

    do you have another reason to think he’ll regress? he’s going to get tired, is that it?

    consider that in his last three seasons in anaheim, he posted a wOBA of .361. assuming he has not improved at all in any way (very unlikely), just moving out of that pitcher’s park into an extreme hitter’s park was likely to boost him to the .380 range

    that’s enormously valuable in a catcher. it’s mccan/mauer territory. and that’s assuming he is the same guy he was in anaheim. in all likelihood, he has gotten better since then. he hit like jose bautista last year

    obviously they shouldn’t be giving a 30 y/o catcher huge years or dollars and napoli cannot be expected to repeat his 2011 performance. but the suggestion that it’d be a waste of money to extend him is just silly. having set an ~8 WAR pace, he can regress a lot and still be extremely valuable

  17. oz10 4 years ago

    No, he played 113 because he was on the DL for a month +.

  18. Brad426 4 years ago

    Here’s the OTHER thing… average is a silly way to judge a hitter.

  19. I didn’t know you were sitting in on the negotiations lol

  20. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    i wonder who they’ll lose to this time in the WS :O

  21. vtadave 4 years ago

    Dodgers.

  22. rangersfan32 4 years ago

    D-Backs maybe? But seriously, if Darvish can become the ace we need, then I think we’d go all the way this year.

  23. Chewtoy123 4 years ago

    He was on the DL from June 12 to July 4. That’s not 50 games.

  24. abbearden 4 years ago

    Early in the season (April & May) the Rangers didn’t play him much. Yorvit received most of the playing time since he was initially signed as the everyday catcher before they acquired Nap.

    Napoli only played in 46 games with 136 at-bats before being placed on the DL on June 12th

    His year really kicked off after doing his rehab stint with AAA. I think he even slammed 3 HRs in one game before coming back to the team. 

    It will be interesting to see how he holds up with more time behind the plate and in the field and see how his numbers look with around 500 at-bats. 

  25. See, I picture Hamilton being able to get 5 or 6 years at about 19M per year. I honestly have no clue what Cruz would get. Maybe something like 4 or 5 years for 14 per year.

  26. John McFadin 4 years ago

    Hamilton does NOT get on base at a solid rate.  He has some of the worst plate discipline in the majors.  He’s an ex-addict who is not going to age well, and is no where near worth 20 million a season.

  27. Isn’t it great that the “worst” starter in our rotation is Colby Lewis who throws up a 4.4 ERA with a really bad hip?
    When back in ’09 our best starters were Millwood and Feldman. It’s amazing the change that has swept this team.

  28. He’ll have to give us a discount if he wants to stay here. He knows that.

  29. I hope you’re right. I like your numbers alot more lol.

  30. kevmill21 4 years ago

    because that’s what you’d like to pay him and feel comfortable risking? some world

  31. John McFadin 4 years ago

    So you’re basically saying he’s not even worth Jayson Werth or Carl Crawford money……dream on.

  32. Mario Saavedra 4 years ago

    Those contract ended up horribly. It’s not that he’s worse than those two, but most likely teams are sarting to catch up that those investments where horrible.

  33. abbearden 4 years ago

    He might just get his shot since Blanco went to the Nats and German went to Japan. Im sure they will be evaluating him amongst others in Spring Training to get that Utility roster spot. He did put up good numbers last year in AAA and has the league experience to serve the utility role. His MLB resume is not very impressive but then again we aren’t asking the guy to play everyday. 

  34. abbearden 4 years ago

    It’s funny I actually thought Millwood did pretty well for us that year and was just unable to get good run support. It actually reminded me alot of how Colby lost games in 2010. Both Millwood and Lewis pitched solid games in those seasons but ended up losing 5-6 games each they could have easily one with run support. Of course Im judging all of this based on my obsessive game watching. 

    Millwood was a good choice to unload because his $12 mil salary was a handicap to our team who was in financial instability at the time…plus he was hitting that wrong side of 30 too.

  35. Brad426 4 years ago

    Yeah, because THAT’S what I said.

    You are the one that used the phrase “A ONLY (sic) .260 HITTER”. I’m saying blah blah blah, Joe Morgan, who cares what his average is? Look at his wOBA to judge his value. An agent’s job isn’t to judge his value, it’s to spin whatever stat there is to up-sell his client, so don’t put words in my mouth.

  36. xcal1br 4 years ago

    A picture is worth a few thousand words in this case.  :)

  37. Brad426 4 years ago

    One of us does.

  38. Brad426 4 years ago

    Here’s the funny part of that comment to me… you responded to “Even if he only hits .260, a catcher with his power and ability to get
    on base (career 11.6% walk rate) is worth a lot more than 3/25.” with “HERE’S THE THING: NAPOLI MAY BE A ONLY (sic) .260 HITTER…” and you are throwing reading comprehension (Rosetta) stones?

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