Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson

8:16pm: At the beginning of the offseason, the asking price for Jackson was in the Lackey/Burnett range ($82.5MM), tweets ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.  The Yankees haven’t had talks with Boras about Jackson, tweets Jack Curry of the YES Network. No talks are expected unless his asking price drops.

TUESDAY, 2:53pm: Jackson seeks $15-17MM per year, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Boras' promotional book on Jackson compares him to C.J. Wilson, Mark Buehrle, John Lackey, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.  All of those pitchers received at least $14.5MM per year, averaging $15.6MM.  Of course, Wilson and Buehrle just signed and the other three contracts were regrettable.  The Yankees will continue dialogue with Jackson, writes Heyman.  The process is starting to remind Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave. Blues of the Yankees' signing of Rafael Soriano last year.

MONDAY, 11:21am: Edwin Jackson's asking price is approximately $60MM over five years, writes ESPNNewYork's Wallace Matthews.  The Yankees like the free agent righty, "but not at that price," writes Matthews.  Matthews' colleague Buster Olney tweeted the same, saying that unless the Yankees' budget grows, there's no room for Jackson.

Ultimately I expect Jackson to settle for something closer to four years and $44MM, which wouldn't be an awful price for a 28-year-old innings eater with a touch of upside.

Additionally, Matthews writes that the Cubs' asking price for Matt Garza is "out of the question" for the Yankees.  He says the Cubs want at least two and possibly all three of Yankees top prospects Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, and Dellin Betances.  The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, and Marlins have also been connected to Garza in recent days.


188 Responses to Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson Leave a Reply

  1. Taylor Haberle 4 years ago

    Boras makes me laugh. 

    • captainjeter 4 years ago

      Now  you know why he is the most hated  agent in sports

    • cyberboo 4 years ago

      I know what you mean.  Most people would give Jackson 3 years 30 – 36M tops.  Today, Boras tells everyone that he wants 5 years and 87.5M to sign him.  Translation:  He wants 5 – 75 so it looks like a bargain to someone that is stupid enough to fall for it.  lol. 

  2. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    I’m not sure if Edwin Jackson deserves that…

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      which means it’s a pretty reasonable proposal for boras actually. normally you’d be very sure that the player didn’t deserve the proposed contract

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

         What if I said I’m very sure he doesn’t deserve 5/60?

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          you’d be right but would still have to agree it’s not a crazy boras proposal, just kind of a standard high asking price

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Yeah, definitely not crazy by Boras’ standards.

          • Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

            The AAV out of the 5/60 Boras is looking for, for once, actually is about right where it should be. The term is 2 years more than what a sensible GM would want, but a fair AAV nontheless. 3/36 sounds about right for an innings-eater who’s put up a 7.6 fWAR the last 2 seasons.

            EDIT: Now that he wants that kind of money, Boras is back to his usual self.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      you are right…..boras is looking at the contract danks got and if you look at their numbers,they are very similar…..so thats why boras wants someone to pony up…i personally don’t think he is worth it

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

         Danks wasn’t worth his extension either.

        • Guest 4 years ago

          i have been saying that…everytime i do, i get crucified

    • Samuel Ennis 4 years ago

      He definetly does not deserve 12 million over 5 years. I would give him 2 years 15 million dollars. Thats 7.5 million a year, and brings him to 30 years of age.. a logical starting point for a 30 yr old player

    • Lastings 4 years ago

      No, he doesn’t deserve a fiver-year deal, but he needs a full no-trade clause. For an effective pitcher he has been the village bicycle of the MLB. Every team has had a ride…

      P.S. Before people start calling me crazy for the full no-trade clause, I was just kidding…alright?

  3. Snoochies8 4 years ago

    hahahaha i mean, an agent can always ask but hahahaha amazing

  4. Josh Gedert 4 years ago

    I want what Boras is on.

  5. mondaymorninggm 4 years ago

    12 a year for a number 4 who you cant even use in the postseason? crazy….a reasonably budgetd team with an 80 mil payroll cant give 1/7th of its payroll to a numbr 4 pitcher…

  6. Gigantes2425 4 years ago

    He’s high as a kite!!

  7. RBIBaseball 4 years ago

    He is not worth five years, an article on fangraphs analyzed Jackson and Danks, and   over the same time period they both produced similar results. I can see where Boras is coming from with the five year deal, since its comparable to the deal Danks got. However, Danks himself wasn’t worth five years so I find it hard to believe that E-jax is deserving of a five year deal. Also, I think Boras knows that he won’t get a five year deal, he’s probably aiming for a four year one.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      that is what i have been saying all along….couldn’t have said it better

  8. diesel2410 4 years ago

    HAHAHAHA. I wouldn’t even give Edwin Jackson 3 years over $21 million

    • Mikey Roederer 4 years ago

      I would do that in a heart beat…You are putting Ed Jax on the same scale as Randy Wolf…and thats just crazy talk

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      Saying he’s not worth 3/21 is as ridiculous as saying he is worth 5/60

      • diesel2410 4 years ago

        Why? Just because your team overpays for every free agent?

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          No, because $7M per year is less than the market would suggest a pitcher of Jackson’s caliber should be able to get.

          • Vmmercan 4 years ago

            You just drove straight over the bridge and didn’t look down. I respect that.

          • Rich Harden.

          • Vmmercan 4 years ago

            …Barbara Streisand?

    • Go to fangraphs and hit “leaders” then click on the pitching tab, and then use 2009-2011. If Jackson sucks so bad why is he on the front page? 

      Oh right because he’s criminally underrated. Look at some numbers next time.

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        I agree that Diesel is underrating him, but Jackson gets his value from quantity over quality.  Beckett has been exactly as valuable over that same time period and he did it in 100 fewer innings (and it even includes his horrendous year last year).

        • melonis_rex 4 years ago

          Having an ace in the hole is not worth so much if he can’t stay healthy and is constantly yielding starts to replacement level dreck. 

          How did guys like Moyer, Wakefield, Livan Hernandez,  etc. make their careers? By not getting hurt.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

             A guy who throws 200+ so-so innings is more valuable than a pitcher who throws 120ish great innings, but he’s not really more valuable than a pitcher who throws 160-180 great innings (200 innings of Jackson was more valuable than 140 innings of Beachy last year, but it wasn’t as valuable as 170 innings of McCarthy).

          • You are making things complicated here. No one is saying anything about Beckett, and no one thinks Jackson is better than Beckett.

            Can we all agree that 200 innings of 3.50 ERA is worth about $12M a year? Especially considering what guys like Lackey and Zito make? Considering his age, any team can commit that for 4-5 years and not get burned. 

            If anything Jacksons health makes him more valuable than the higher upside guys who are hurt all the time. Any team that gets Jackson for 5/60 won’t be disappointed.

            Roy Oswalt is also on that front fangraphs page for 09-11, really surprised there isnt a more bullish market for him, he’s an tested and true ace through and through. He was hurt a bit last year which means he might only get a 2-3 year deal, but whoever gets him will definitely get value for money.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            I was using Beckett as an example to make my point about Jackson getting his value from quantity of innings rather than quality of innings.  It could have been any pitcher but Beckett was convenient because his value happened to be exactly the same in 100 fewer innings.

            200 innings of 3.50 ERA would be great, but that’s not what you’re getting with Jackson, you’re getting 200 innings of ERA in the high 3s to 4s.  And comparing him to guys who are clear overpays (and were supposed to be a lot better than Jackson when they signed their deals) isn’t helpful at all.

            I would love Oswalt, but he would be one of those guys I was talking about who would give you a lot better pitching but fewer innings (he has back related problems so expecting 200 innings next year would be foolhardy).

        • Vmmercan 4 years ago

          He also gets 16 per, just sayin’.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            True, but that just started this year; prior to this year he was getting 10 per.  Also he has ace potential, which Jackson doesn’t, and given expected production from him (2010 wasn’t expected production) he would be considerably more valuable than Jackson even given that he isn’t likely to throw as many innings.

    • JacksTigers 4 years ago

      If you were a GM, Brent Clevlen would be you clean up hitter.

  9. Seth 4 years ago

    I for one want to be like Boras! Who wouldn’t wanna sit behind a desk all day and demand ludicrous amounts of money for an unproven 3 or 4 starter on a good club???? And get paid for it too!!! Sign me up!

    • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

      “unproven” is  wrong

      he’s been a  capable major league pitcher for the last four years and been in trades that included Matt Joyce and Colby Rasmus.
       

    • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

      but yeah….sweet job haha
       

    • Vmmercan 4 years ago

      The dude built a corporation and has binders the size of the bible for every single client he has. You can rip on Boras all you want, but implying he is “lazy” is an injustice.

  10. setupunchtag 4 years ago

    Before this, I thought the general consensus was that E-Jax would get three years, not four, and definitely not five. I think Boras is calling for 5 years so that teams will be more likely bump it up from 3 to 4.

  11. snowbladerp14 4 years ago

    if you ask 5 you get 4. you ask 4 you get 3 its just how things work. Boras should as an agent ask for 5

  12. john12121212 4 years ago

    OMG more verbal diarreha from Borass.  He makes me sick!

  13. ObamaDinoKiller 4 years ago

    i get the strategy of asking for more years than you know you will get but…does it need to be said any further? e jax is not worth this type of contract. we all know it, his agent knows it, but some team will come along and give in 21/3 yrs or more because the spending in baseball these days is out of control. in an ideal world, a guy like jackson gets one year deals each year because he hasn’t really proven himself valuable (and i mean in terms of ability, not these crazy new stats). so don’t hate the player, hate the team that furthers the spending spree and sets up even worse pitchers for crazy contracts in the near future

    • 21/3 is likely what he gets. 7 mil a year is what it takes to buy a 3 or 4 starter these days.

  14. rockfordone 4 years ago

    I wonder why he hasn’t signed-I saw him with the W. Sox last year -Not good -walks drive you crazy – 3yrs max.

  15. Dan_O62 4 years ago

    Sad thing is he’ll probably get something close; Feilder really proved his commtment to being a great player/great contract by shedding tonnes of pounds and doing all that post-season press on how he’s a great leader (it was the invisible tour in case you missed it)… Guy will lard it over to be the next Bob Horner on the 4th year of his next deal. E-Jax is the best remaining pitcher out there and worth 3×38 tops. If Seattle signs him consider Fiddler a lock with the dumb Nats. After their Werthless dabbling with Boras last year, they need ther head examined to go back for 2nds.

  16. pmbmi 4 years ago

    3 for 27 is probably reasonable.  Some days he’ll look great, others he’s a bit of a mess… At the end of the year, you can expect 12 wins, 200 IP, and a 4.50 era… not great, but a valuable #4.

    • gmantacoma 4 years ago

      12 wins, 200IP, 4.50ERA, #4 pitcher = 27MIL/3YRS NO WAY!!!

  17. For once I agree with Boras. 

    Since 2009:
    John Danks: 583 IP, 10.4 WAR = 5/65M for age 27-31 seasons
    Mark Buehrle: 629 IP, 10.6 WAR = 4/58M deal for age 33-36 seasons.
    Edwin Jackson: 623 IP, 11.2 WAR = Is 28 in 2012. 

    Jackson is definitely has better numbers than Buehrle, Danks has the higher ceiling but also hasn’t produced like Jackson has over the last 3 years. Danks is a year younger with a higher ceiling so yeah he deserves a bigger deal, but Jackson deserves a 5 year deal for being traded like 50 times before his 28th birthday. 11.2 WAR over the last 3 years makes him a top 20 pitcher overall in that time frame. Its so odd how underrated he is. 

    • grownice 4 years ago

       Using just war alone to evaluate a player?

    • soxfan123123 4 years ago

      EJax is inconsistent he is lights out one day and then vin mazzaro the next day ( bit of over exagerration).

    • Khabibulan 4 years ago

      Is there some kind of volatility stat that shows how consistent or inconsistent a pitcher is from start to start? I think that would show why E Jax is such a pain.

  18. BondstheGOAT 4 years ago

    Regardless of how inconsistent and how bad the walks can be I’d love the Pirates to get him even at 4/40 and maybe an option year if that’s what it’d take.

  19. 4 @ 44 isn’t that bad, I am not so sure if Boras would settle for that though, unless he had to and he might have to. The Other thing is E Jack needs a good pitching coach, Dave Duncan is the guy, but I can’t see the Cardinal coughing that up. Maybe 4 yrs @ 40 million. That’s the most I would do and it wouldn’t  be my Orioles coughing that up because A.) they won’t Angelos is a cheapskate!, Plus they would ask more from the O’s. 2.) I don’t think the O’s pitching coach Adair is the guy for E Jack!

  20. llasasso93 4 years ago

    Boras is high if he thinks someone is gonna give Jackson a 5 year deal

    • monroe_says 4 years ago

      Sadly, it is the owners who are high,not Boras. It just takes one glassy-eyed billionaire intoxicated by the silver-tongued siren call of a Scott Boras power presentation to screw up the whole market for everyone.

  21. Tired_OF_FakeRumors 4 years ago

    When boras is going to compare edwin jackson with Nolan Ryan????

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      When a GM will believe it. He wouldn’t be asking for 5 years if he knows he can’t get it. Just how desperate are some teams?

  22. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    I think Boras knows that Jackson won’t get five years, but this is how negotiations work. He asks for something crazy and then they find a happy medium. You may not like the guy, but you cannot aruge the fact that he is by far the best at what he does.

  23. Dynasty22 4 years ago

    Can’t doubt Boras, he usually gets what he wants or even better.

  24. n0s 4 years ago

    Epstein and Hoyer are smoking some really good stuff.  Garza’s high 3 ERAs in the AL East don’t make him worth one top 30 prospect, let alone three.

    • Yankees420 4 years ago

      I’d be okay with Cashman giving up Betances plus some other lower ranked guys for 2 years of Garza.  

    • MikhelB 4 years ago

      I get the impression that they just want to keep the rest of the teams away once they heard what they asked the NYY for. That way they an finish up their trade talks with a team they feel comfortable with, preferrable a team they already know their minor leagues firsthand… 😉

  25. FS54 4 years ago

    There needs to be some rules against agents doing drugs also.

  26. and i want to go on a date with olivia wilde

  27. wow, totally unexpected, the yankees are being picky when it comes to getting players for cheap… they have the money, why not just pay what everyone’s asking? it’s not like they don’t do that all the time anyway. but I’ll be glad if none of these players that the yankees want goes there, If I was a player wanted by the yankees they’d have to pay BIG BUCKS to get me where any normal team would not have to. I’m not sure what kind of deal Jackson is going to get wherever he goes but if 5/60M is too much for any normal teams, then it’s a reasonable price for the yankees, but if it’s a good price for him for any normal team then the yankee’s price for him should be more… not just him but any player should ask for more when the yankees are trying to get them. I wouldn’t want to play for the yankees but I know they have the big bucks so if I were to go to them because they really want me then I’d have to ask them for bigger buck than any other team would want to spend on me, that’s all I’m saying.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      i hear rich harden is available……

    • Vmmercan 4 years ago

      You should try saying the same exact thing in 14 different ways instead of four or five next time. We get it, you hate the night life, major cities, excellent suburbs, superior public and private education for your kids, all four seasons and millions more in endorsements than you would get anywhere else. It’s totally understandable.

    • MikhelB 4 years ago

      “If I was a player wanted by the yankees they’d have to pay BIG BUCKS to get me where any normal team would not have to.”

      That’s what has happened in recent years, and that’s how a lot of players have ended up with smaller contracts, just check the CJ Wilson demands, and he ended up receiving 30 or so less millions.

  28. Eric 4 years ago

    I would have no problem giving Edwin Jackson a deal worth 3YR/33M, but 5 years at 12M a year is a high asking price. Saying that Jackson is a #4 starter isn’t accurate. He has the ability to throw over 200 innings with an ERA between 3.50 and 4.00, and he offers a plus fastball averaging about 95MPH. He is at worst a #3 starter, with some upside.

  29. jfretless 4 years ago

    I heard Boras is calling the proposal, “The Jackson Five”.  Four years guaranteed, the fifth is a club option.  He calls the fifth year, “The Tito.”

  30. yabud 4 years ago

    Haha, 5 years, Boras is awesome. 

  31. LaffitesLanding 4 years ago

    No offense to all the other posters but how is Edwin Jackson that much different in value to Mark Buehrle? Except that he’s younger, strikes out more batters and has had xFIP’s below 4 for the past two years while Buehrle has been over 4. Buehrle got 4 for 58 total I think. How does Jackson not deserve 5 for 60? 

    • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

      The point is more that Buehrle got grossly overpaid, not that Jackson is worse than him.

  32. slider32 4 years ago

    Garza is worth 2Bs and 1C prospect. Betances, Phelps, and Laird.

    • jammin502 4 years ago

      Garza is worth exactly what he is worth depending on the side of the equation you are on.  The Cubs are willing to hang onto him, so they are setting the bar high.  He is available at the Cub’s price … no less.  If you think he is worth 2Bs and 1C then you are probably not getting him.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        Actually after reading the Fangraphs article I realized that Garza is only worth Betances. So it looks like the Yanks are out.

  33. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    if danks got 5 years, why wouldn’t E Jacks get 5 years? 

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

       I’d give Jackson 5 years before I would have given Danks 5 years, and I’m no fan of giving Jackson 5 years.

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        exactly.. the markets set..

        I’m surprised boras didn’t say, well danks got 5 years, jackson should atleast get 6 or 7 .

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          5 years was somewhat reasonable by Boras standards, but one pitcher getting more than he should have isn’t really going to set the market, and that pitcher wasn’t even a free agent, he was already under team control for two of those years regardless of what the White Sox did.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            I don’t think danks was overpaid and I’m pretty sure he was going to be an FA after this year.

            This is pretty much the current market for jackson. 4-5 years.. now how much per is a completely different issue.

  34. the_insomniac 4 years ago

    I really hope all the GM’s just wait out Boras and his clients until their prices come down. Boras just comes across as greedy and he needs to be put in his place. What better time to do so then when the Yankees and Red Sox are hibernating?

    • TimotheusATL 4 years ago

      put in his place? really?

      you act as if boras has any fiduciary responsibility to anyone other than his clients.

    • harmony55 4 years ago

      I don’t doubt that GMs “will wait out Boras and his clients until their prices come down” just as Boras and his clients will wait out the GMs until their prices go up.

      One team will meet each Scott Boras client in the middle (with rare exception).

  35. Gumby65 4 years ago

    Five year stop-gap? Good.

  36. AnewBlueDay 4 years ago

    5 years for Jackson.  How can that be!!!

    So far he has 9 seasons in the majors.  3 with Tampa Bay, 3 with the Dodgers, 2 with the White Sox, 1 with the D-Backs, 1 with the Cardinals, and 1 with the Tigers.  And some of those years are shared with two teams.  

    His record is 60-60 with a 4.48 ERA.  With 801 Ks in 1079 innings.  And 439 walks.

    He would not know how to stay with one team for 5 seasons, and probably no team would want him for 5 straight years.

    Heck, after he had his high of 14 games for Tampa Bay, they traded him to Detroit.  Then in Detroit he won 13 games and they traded him to Toronto, who shipped him on to . . . .  

    Face it Edwin Jackson is built to travel . . . from team to team.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      taking stats from 5+ years ago and considering them valid?

      Really?

      why don’t we use stats that are important, like the last 2 years

  37. IndianaBob 4 years ago

    Maybe one of the B’s and one of Gary Sanchez/Romine for Garza in the current market for starters.

    • slider32 4 years ago

      Read what Fangraphs says he’s worth, one top 50 prospect. So no deal!

  38. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    AJ Burnett 2.0…please let the Yankees pay it.

    • Caballo14 4 years ago

      Say what you wanna say about AJ, but at least he was a big contributer to the Yankees 2009 World Series team.

      • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

        He was hit or miss in that post season. In the World Series he pitched one of the most dominant games I’ve seen against the Phillies… 4 days later he was horrible.

        They probably could’ve won without him.

  39. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    Boras is just trying to boost Jurrjens’ value – also a Boras client – at the expense of Edwin Jackson. Thanks for helping out the Braves, Scott.

  40. Nicknamed_Tanner 4 years ago

    Dear Mr Boras,

    Could you please put the bong down.

    Thanks You

  41. rizdak 4 years ago

    I want Boras to represent me in my next employee review. I’d be satisified with a meager 5 / 0.75.

  42. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    It’s funny in “the Boras promo book” he references 5 comp pitcher deals, 2 of which were just signed (CJ Wilson, Mark Buerhle), and the other 3 turned out to be HORRIBLE deals: Derek Lowe, John Lackey, AJ Burnett. Why any self-respecting agent would think that they have a better shot at their client getting signed by attaching their player to such names as Lackey, Lowe, and Burnett is absolutely beyond. 

    I understand they might have comparables at their signing time, but Scott…they all turned out terrible. Lackey I could have seen having the best chance of coming out good, but not the AL East. 

  43. Matt Garza > Edwin Jackson

    • Caballo14 4 years ago

      Edwin Jackson plus keeping your best prospects > Matt Garza

      • Signing Jackson puts the Yankees over the luxury tax for the forseeable future.  Trading unproven players for an AL East-tested Garza is the better way to go.  Jackson, while with Tampa had a career ERA over 5.00 in the AL East.  Best of luck with that.

        • Jon Melton 4 years ago

          I agree Jackson to much wild card to return to AL East with that track record,  but as much as we overvalue pitching we do same thing with prospects.  

  44. JerisG24 4 years ago

    “Seeking approximately 5 years for 60M” (12M a year or so).

    “Seeking approximately 15 to 17M per year” 

    What did Edwin Jackson do over a 26 hour span, that Boras thinks he can just bump up his seeking price up an extra 3-5M per year? 

  45. TUESDAY, 2:53pm: Jackson seeks $15-17MM per year, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Boras’ promotional book on Jackson compares him to C.J. Wilson, Mark Buehrle, John Lackey, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.

    John Lackey… oh there’s a winner
    CJ Wilson……. while he was the Rangers #1, he’s really a #3
    Buehrle………. is old and a .500 pitcher
    A.J. Burnett…. Hahaha, no comment

    Scott Boras did you meet with Peter Angelos and tell him of your demands?
    Are you buying a house and you need a down payment right away?
    As a side note I am glad you’re not  Real Estate Agent!

    Yeah, I could see the Orioles coughing up 16 million for Action Jackson, he would put them right in the middle of the pennant race.

    If you get 16 million for E Jack, what can you get for Jake Arrieta? I think Jake is Jackson’s equal.

  46. Caballo14 4 years ago

    I would for the Yankees to get him on a 2/25 mil, then trading Burnett to another team for salary relief, but nowhere near the price that Boras wants for him

  47.  Boras is on drugs.

    • Jon Melton 4 years ago

      He does his job very well. He compares his client to absolute best case comparison,  GM’s use worst case and they meet somewhere in the middle. Usually closer to Boras example.  

  48. Patrick the Pragmatist 4 years ago

    Wow,   If your team has pitching you are fortunate.  Jackson won’t get the five years, but to get someone with a track record who is not coming off of a injury or big time fall off has always been costly and it will only increase.

  49. Holy cow! This guy has a career 4.46 era. He’s a 10 mil max player and Boras is freakin nuts for even saying that. I realize he’s just starting at the very best so that teams offers will go up, but saying that is just making himself look like a fool.

  50. CommissionerBart 4 years ago

    Boras’s valuation of Jackson is INSANE.  *Five* years at *$15-17* million per year.

    Professional negotiators in most fields will tell you that making an absurd demand does not result in a compromise closer to that figure than proposing a more reasonable iniitial position.  Crediblity is lost.  Boras’s actions narrow the field of teams that will want to deal with him–admittedly to the richest teams he is targeting anyway. But I suspect he is leaving his clients disappointed when they don’t wind up in the salary neighborhood he first pitched (to them and to the clubs.)  You can’t stay in business forever if the circle of teams willing to deal with you grows ever smaller AND your clients wind up disappointed despite achieving riches beyond the dreams of their youth. It will all catch up with him eventually. 

    • harmony55 4 years ago

      Most agents advise a client that the client is unlikely to end up with the first salary the agent pitches to clubs. It’s the nature of market. The agent starts the bidding high and the teams start the bidding low … the bidding continues until one team and the player reach an agreement.

      It’s not rocket science (although player valuation has become increasingly quantitative in recent years).

  51. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    17M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you serious Boras???? 17M a season!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!Your insane!!!!!!!!

    • harmony55 4 years ago

      Would it be insane for a team to offer Edwin Jackson $8 million a season for three years if comparable pitchers earned more in free agency?

      My guess is that the agent starts the bidding high and the team starts the bidding low … and the parties work from there.

  52. BillB325 4 years ago

    I feel as if Theo is just asking alot from the Yankees to throw everyone off, I see the Tigers getting him for a deal with Turner, Oliver, and Smyly.

  53. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    And seriously what is the main thing all his comparables in the promo book have in common? THEY ARE ALL OVERPAID!! Here Mr. GM Jackson is an excellent pitcher just check out my promo booklet. This is a list of a bunch of over paid players who are the best comparables to Edwin, would you like to pay him 15M a year? Pleaaaaaaaase!

    • harmony55 4 years ago

      And the GM will respond with comps for pitchers who earn less money.

      It’s the nature of negotiations.

  54. llasasso93 4 years ago

    How could you compare Edwin Jackson to Buehrle? hahahaa Boras is funny

  55. Colin Christopher 4 years ago

    I would tell Boras, “You know, you’re right. He IS of similar value to those guys…so let’s break down exactly how much Lackey, Burnett, and Lowe have been to their teams for the last 2-3 years, and then we can be absolutely sure how much Jackson is worth.”

  56. Tom5467 4 years ago

    Anyone who signs Jackson at that price is going to have another Burnett/Lackey contract.

  57. baseballx06 4 years ago

    Baseball is getting ridiculous. They need some kind of salary cap. The thought of a pitcher like Edwin Jackson getting 17 million a year is disgusting. His career stats arent even that good. The best season of his career was him going 13-9 with an era about 3.6. Not a superstar season and that was his best… waste of money.

  58. optionn 4 years ago

    Yankee’s will overpay this guy just like Soriano would be my prediction.  They desperately need some starting pitching and he is the best on the market.

    • Mike1L 4 years ago

      I think that’s less probable.  The Yankees have figured out by now that unless you pay for the absolute cream of the crop-pitchers who consistently perform at a high level, overpaying for a free agent pitcher is very likely not to work.  Maybe it’s New York, maybe it’s having to pitch so many times against teams like the Red Sox, Rays and Toronto, and maybe it’s bad luck.  Jackson reminds me of Burnett and Wright.  Might be a good fit, but probably not.

    • Mike1L 4 years ago

      I think that’s less probable.  The Yankees have figured out by now that unless you pay for the absolute cream of the crop-pitchers who consistently perform at a high level, overpaying for a free agent pitcher is very likely not to work.  Maybe it’s New York, maybe it’s having to pitch so many times against teams like the Red Sox, Rays and Toronto, and maybe it’s bad luck.  Jackson reminds me of Burnett and Wright.  Might be a good fit, but probably not.

    • slider32 4 years ago

      No way, the Yanks have what they need right now to win the East. They should keep their good young pitchers.  Jackson is a .500 career pitcher.

      • thats the beauty of jackson…he wont cost them any of their ‘good young pitchers’

  59. thegrayrace 4 years ago

    Not sure you want to be advertising Lackey and Lowe as comparables there, Scott.

  60. northsfbay 4 years ago

    Just say no to Boras and say yes to medical Marijuana on the West Coast and life is good.

  61. Jeff Meneau 4 years ago

    What does the 70 page binder say he’s worth?  The funny thing is, some stupid GM will pay it.

  62. slider32 4 years ago

    The best move by the Yanks would be to sign Oswalt for one year. He’s a proven winner, and will bridge the gap to their young pitchers.

  63. Boras is absolutely losing his mind. His ridiculous demands are starting to screw over his clients big time, his ego is getting the better of him…

    • harmony55 4 years ago

      It must be the first week of January if fans are claiming that Scott Boras is short-changing his clients with exorbitant demands.

      By the end of February, Boras and most of his clients will have fared well in the free agent market.

  64. Willjhull 4 years ago

    Love Scott boras butt if EJ gets 3 years 33 mil that’s a big big win. The guy has been passed around like well you get the idea. Throws hard and straight. The batting cage down the street does the same thing.

  65. Ross wanted 3 years 30 mill right? Now he’s down to 2 years 10 mill or something? Same deal, I see Jax getting 3/30 at MOST. Pitching is pretty plentiful and the basic gist I’m seeing is most teams aren’t looking to take chances this offseason.

    I get this feeling the Mets are gonna sign this kid and I’m not sure why.

  66. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    I think the Yankees will end up signing Jackson, when he realizes that no team in their right mind will pay that much for him. But then again, his agent is Scott Boras, so it is very possible that a team will massively overpay for Jackson. I would say
    10-12 million a year is what he ultimately ends up with, or at least should.

  67. snapcase8p 4 years ago

    Wow! EJax and I have two things in common. We both want 5 year contracts and neither one of us is going to get one!

  68. Jackson’s career whip is 1.476.  3 years 30mil tops.

  69. Joe N 4 years ago

    I believe Jackson will get paid, and by my own projection he’s worth upwards of 60 million. Wrote and article about him at selfhatinghipster.com

  70. gmantacoma 4 years ago

    5YRS   DREAM ON!

  71. Lanidrac 4 years ago

    Dream on, Jackson.  Only aces get paid like that.  You’re good, and you made a big difference to the Cardinals’ mid-season rotation, but you’re at best a low #2 starter, more likely a #3.  Sometimes guys like Lackey will be stupidly vastly overpaid, but that’s very unlikely at this point in this market.

  72. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    I think he’ll get 3/35 with an option and a limited no-trade clause.

  73. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    In most years, no. But with the lack of starters on the open market, he probably will get something like that.

  74. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Calling him ‘BorASS’ is about 10% as clever as you think it is.

  75. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    Hits are partially a function of defense. Put him in front of better defenses and he gives up fewer hits. 

    And, that walk average is not bad. It’s not ace-caliber, but you don’t have to be an ace to get 60MM in this market. 

    Two SP with walk rates significantly higher than Jackson, and a third with a comparable walk rate have been traded this offseason. 

    Those contract demands are perfectly justified.

  76. Guest 4 years ago

    yeah, he is been on tour with just about every team out there….he never unpacks his bags so i can see the limited trade clause but unless someone is really desperate, he won’t get it…i see 2 for 22 limited no trade is the best i would do if i were in a good mood….gm’s mostly have learned their lesson with how the cubs are stuck with bad contracts they don’t want now…..2 years 22mil is kinda low risk, then if he is a disaster, he is gone after 2 or trade him with the limited clause…i could see that working somewhere

  77. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Maybe a 2/22 with a club option for 2014 and 2015 and a player option for 2015. But that’s about as low as I think it will go. I think he will get three guarenteed years though.

  78. redsx968 4 years ago

    I still don’t understand why people rip into boras. I’m sure he’s not fun to deal with, but he’s good at what he does. He’s looking for 5, but he’s just setting a mark. You think he’ll be disappointed with 4/50 and some sort of option? No way. Not saying he’ll get that but Boras is just working the system right now

  79. Jeremy Weaver 4 years ago

     What about BoreUs?  Is that better than BorA$$?

  80. Guest 4 years ago

    making it a club option, i could live with that…thats actually a perfect deal……i think you are right but i wouldn’t do it for three years…2/22 and club options i think would work fine if i were a gm…

  81. MaineSox 4 years ago

     Yeah, 2010.

  82. no thanks, bro

  83. Vmmercan 4 years ago

    I think it’s funny most of this thread is freaking out over Jackson’s salary, but everyone is ignoring the most absurd part. Epstein is asking three times what the Yankees were willing to dish out for Roy Halladay/Cliff Lee.

  84. MikhelB 4 years ago

    That is exactly what Seattle has been asking the Yankees for Félix Hernández. So, either Epstein wants to re-stock his Cubs with good prospects about to reach MLB, or he has already a trade in talks with another team for faaar less than that and wants to keep other teams away (it is a classic tactic of GM’s, so they can say: “heey I traded him for the best value I could get”, when in fact it was a trade they had agreed weeks before).

    Don’t be shocked if he ends up trading Garza to one of the teams in the Epstein-Connection (Boston/San Diego/DBacks), for far less than what they asked the NYY.

  85. Yankees420 4 years ago

    Tuna, tuna, tuna…

  86. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Feel free to explain.

  87. Amish_willy 4 years ago

    He walks alot of guys? In 2 of the last 3 years he’s been 2.9/9 or less… which any team would love to get that from all of their starters

    Burnett signed for 5/78m (or maybe it was 82) then previously it was 5/55 with an opt out in his deal with the jays. I’m confused why you’d be okay giving him AJ money but think 5/60 is way too much…

  88. I agree with a lot of that, but he’s always healthy, which is a rarity in this game. He definitely deserves a bigger deal than Buehrle as he will easily put up better numbers. I dont think a team signing him for 5/60 will get ripped off, he’s been worth consistently $15-17M via fangraphs WAR:$ ratio thing these last 3 years. He’s the epitome of a #3 SP on any team.

    I dont see the Chen comp either, I think he’s pretty unique and maybe is just a guy who knows how to get outs and doesnt need great stuff or a high ceiling to survive and be good. I mean on fangraphs WAR for the last 3 years, he’s in the top 20 pitchers, that’s not a fluke or the mark of a bad player by any means. 

    I cant stand Boras but he’s kind of on the money here, when considering what the market has dictated with Danks & Buehrle. I am way more enraged with how delusional sounding his Prince Fielder salesmanship is going. Prince is a DH only at this point, his defense is atrocious and his body is awful, so many red flags with him. His dad was done at 35 and Prince has an even worse body than him. It wont be long until those knees go. He doesn’t deserve more than 4/70. 

  89. rickjimbo 4 years ago

    It was 5/82.5

  90. I still doubt it. It is much more likely to be around 8 per.

  91. Marktown 4 years ago

    I thought so too, until someone paid Jason Werth $120mil.

  92. RetroRob 4 years ago

    Unfortunately, there is no evidence of that.  If anything, it’s the opposite direction.  Boras’ final contracts seem to be more than the reporting prices!  A recent study also showed that on average Boras got his clients nearly 30% more than other agents.  If you’re ballplayer going for the money, Boras is your man.

  93. If you want to get technical, every single player in MLB is overpaid. They play a game for millions while most labor away and make in a year for what ballplayers make in a week (or in some cases, a day) while doing the same amount, if not more, work. 

  94. MikhelB 4 years ago

    Well it is not just 2010, it is: 2006, 2008, 2010. I don’t know if 2012 will be the same, but that inconsistency screams healt issues that he won’t be able to keep up with for a long time.

  95. MaineSox 4 years ago

    I know that’s the common belief about Beckett, but if you actually looked at the stats you would see that he pitched better in ’08 than he did in ’09 and arguably as well as he did in ’07.  That leaves you with 2 bad years (’06 and ’10) 4 years apart, and only in one of those years was he injured.  You can’t make a legitimate case that he is bad every other year, and you definitely can’t make a case that he’s bad every other year because of injury.

  96. MaineSox 4 years ago

    No they aren’t, their pay is directly related to how much money they make the owners.  If you try making the case that players (as a whole) should be paid less you are simultaneously making the case that the owners should make more.

  97. FreshMintt 4 years ago

    Hey big tuna

  98. No one else got the reference?

  99. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    One could make the same market argument with Prince Fielder— relative to other elite 1B contracts signed. 

    Fielder is definitely a significantly better player than Ryan Howard, who got 125MM, and you can argue that he’s close to on par with Adrian Gonzalez, who got 150MM. He’s not nearly as good as Pujols, but you have to think a $252MM contract inflated the market a bit. 

    I still agree with you that Fielder is a disaster waiting to happen. (I think Pujols is one as well). 

  100. Too Many Idiots 4 years ago

    Where do you get that is what Seattle has been asking for Felix?  That’s simply not true because (1) the Yankees would have jumped all over that offer, and (2) Seattle IS NOT trading Felix.  

  101. harmony55 4 years ago

    The Mariners have never asked the Yankees for anything … Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik has repeated said that Felix Hernandez will not be traded.

    Are you confusing the reported Yankee offer for two-plus months of Cliff Lee in July 2010?

  102. jjs91 4 years ago

     Fielder is significantly better than pujols

  103. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Then don’t read about it and/or comment about it.

  104. harmony55 4 years ago

    The flip side is that five teams coveted Edwin Jackson enough to trade for the righthander.

  105. harmony55 4 years ago

    Or many teams want Edwin Jackson … it’s a matter of perspective.

  106. Lanidrac 4 years ago

    The Blue Jays were planning all along to flip him to the Cardinals, and the Cardinals would’ve liked to have him back if their rotation wasn’t already full.

  107. harmony55 4 years ago

    To be precise, you’re comparing the value of two years of Matt Garza to one year of Roy Halladay or two-plus months of Cliff Lee.

  108. Vmmercan 4 years ago

    It could be four years and I still wouldn’t give up three top prospects for Matt Garza.

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