Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson

8:16pm: At the beginning of the offseason, the asking price for Jackson was in the Lackey/Burnett range ($82.5MM), tweets ESPN.com’s Buster Olney.  The Yankees haven’t had talks with Boras about Jackson, tweets Jack Curry of the YES Network. No talks are expected unless his asking price drops.

TUESDAY, 2:53pm: Jackson seeks $15-17MM per year, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Boras' promotional book on Jackson compares him to C.J. Wilson, Mark Buehrle, John Lackey, A.J. Burnett, and Derek Lowe.  All of those pitchers received at least $14.5MM per year, averaging $15.6MM.  Of course, Wilson and Buehrle just signed and the other three contracts were regrettable.  The Yankees will continue dialogue with Jackson, writes Heyman.  The process is starting to remind Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave. Blues of the Yankees' signing of Rafael Soriano last year.

MONDAY, 11:21am: Edwin Jackson's asking price is approximately $60MM over five years, writes ESPNNewYork's Wallace Matthews.  The Yankees like the free agent righty, "but not at that price," writes Matthews.  Matthews' colleague Buster Olney tweeted the same, saying that unless the Yankees' budget grows, there's no room for Jackson.

Ultimately I expect Jackson to settle for something closer to four years and $44MM, which wouldn't be an awful price for a 28-year-old innings eater with a touch of upside.

Additionally, Matthews writes that the Cubs' asking price for Matt Garza is "out of the question" for the Yankees.  He says the Cubs want at least two and possibly all three of Yankees top prospects Jesus Montero, Manny Banuelos, and Dellin Betances.  The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, and Marlins have also been connected to Garza in recent days.


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188 Comments on "Boras Seeks Five Years For Edwin Jackson"


Taylor Haberle
3 years 6 months ago

Boras makes me laugh. 

captainjeter
3 years 6 months ago

Now  you know why he is the most hated  agent in sports

harmony55
3 years 6 months ago

And perhaps the most respected.

cyberboo
3 years 6 months ago

I know what you mean.  Most people would give Jackson 3 years 30 – 36M tops.  Today, Boras tells everyone that he wants 5 years and 87.5M to sign him.  Translation:  He wants 5 – 75 so it looks like a bargain to someone that is stupid enough to fall for it.  lol. 

NYBravosFan10
3 years 6 months ago

I’m not sure if Edwin Jackson deserves that…

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

which means it’s a pretty reasonable proposal for boras actually. normally you’d be very sure that the player didn’t deserve the proposed contract

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

 What if I said I’m very sure he doesn’t deserve 5/60?

notsureifsrs
3 years 6 months ago

you’d be right but would still have to agree it’s not a crazy boras proposal, just kind of a standard high asking price

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Yeah, definitely not crazy by Boras’ standards.

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 6 months ago

The AAV out of the 5/60 Boras is looking for, for once, actually is about right where it should be. The term is 2 years more than what a sensible GM would want, but a fair AAV nontheless. 3/36 sounds about right for an innings-eater who’s put up a 7.6 fWAR the last 2 seasons.

EDIT: Now that he wants that kind of money, Boras is back to his usual self.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

you are right…..boras is looking at the contract danks got and if you look at their numbers,they are very similar…..so thats why boras wants someone to pony up…i personally don’t think he is worth it

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

 Danks wasn’t worth his extension either.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

i have been saying that…everytime i do, i get crucified

Samuel Ennis
3 years 6 months ago

He definetly does not deserve 12 million over 5 years. I would give him 2 years 15 million dollars. Thats 7.5 million a year, and brings him to 30 years of age.. a logical starting point for a 30 yr old player

Lastings
3 years 6 months ago

No, he doesn’t deserve a fiver-year deal, but he needs a full no-trade clause. For an effective pitcher he has been the village bicycle of the MLB. Every team has had a ride…

P.S. Before people start calling me crazy for the full no-trade clause, I was just kidding…alright?

Snoochies8
3 years 6 months ago

hahahaha i mean, an agent can always ask but hahahaha amazing

Josh Gedert
3 years 6 months ago

I want what Boras is on.

Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

Money?

mondaymorninggm
3 years 6 months ago

12 a year for a number 4 who you cant even use in the postseason? crazy….a reasonably budgetd team with an 80 mil payroll cant give 1/7th of its payroll to a numbr 4 pitcher…

bonds2425
3 years 6 months ago

He’s high as a kite!!

RBIBaseball
3 years 6 months ago

He is not worth five years, an article on fangraphs analyzed Jackson and Danks, and   over the same time period they both produced similar results. I can see where Boras is coming from with the five year deal, since its comparable to the deal Danks got. However, Danks himself wasn’t worth five years so I find it hard to believe that E-jax is deserving of a five year deal. Also, I think Boras knows that he won’t get a five year deal, he’s probably aiming for a four year one.

Guest
3 years 6 months ago

that is what i have been saying all along….couldn’t have said it better

diesel2410
3 years 6 months ago

HAHAHAHA. I wouldn’t even give Edwin Jackson 3 years over $21 million

Mikey Roederer
3 years 6 months ago

I would do that in a heart beat…You are putting Ed Jax on the same scale as Randy Wolf…and thats just crazy talk

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

Saying he’s not worth 3/21 is as ridiculous as saying he is worth 5/60

diesel2410
3 years 6 months ago

Why? Just because your team overpays for every free agent?

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

No, because $7M per year is less than the market would suggest a pitcher of Jackson’s caliber should be able to get.

Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

You just drove straight over the bridge and didn’t look down. I respect that.

3 years 6 months ago

Rich Harden.

Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

…Barbara Streisand?

3 years 6 months ago

Go to fangraphs and hit “leaders” then click on the pitching tab, and then use 2009-2011. If Jackson sucks so bad why is he on the front page? 

Oh right because he’s criminally underrated. Look at some numbers next time.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I agree that Diesel is underrating him, but Jackson gets his value from quantity over quality.  Beckett has been exactly as valuable over that same time period and he did it in 100 fewer innings (and it even includes his horrendous year last year).

melonis_rex
3 years 6 months ago

Having an ace in the hole is not worth so much if he can’t stay healthy and is constantly yielding starts to replacement level dreck. 

How did guys like Moyer, Wakefield, Livan Hernandez,  etc. make their careers? By not getting hurt.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

 A guy who throws 200+ so-so innings is more valuable than a pitcher who throws 120ish great innings, but he’s not really more valuable than a pitcher who throws 160-180 great innings (200 innings of Jackson was more valuable than 140 innings of Beachy last year, but it wasn’t as valuable as 170 innings of McCarthy).

3 years 6 months ago

You are making things complicated here. No one is saying anything about Beckett, and no one thinks Jackson is better than Beckett.

Can we all agree that 200 innings of 3.50 ERA is worth about $12M a year? Especially considering what guys like Lackey and Zito make? Considering his age, any team can commit that for 4-5 years and not get burned. 

If anything Jacksons health makes him more valuable than the higher upside guys who are hurt all the time. Any team that gets Jackson for 5/60 won’t be disappointed.

Roy Oswalt is also on that front fangraphs page for 09-11, really surprised there isnt a more bullish market for him, he’s an tested and true ace through and through. He was hurt a bit last year which means he might only get a 2-3 year deal, but whoever gets him will definitely get value for money.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

I was using Beckett as an example to make my point about Jackson getting his value from quantity of innings rather than quality of innings.  It could have been any pitcher but Beckett was convenient because his value happened to be exactly the same in 100 fewer innings.

200 innings of 3.50 ERA would be great, but that’s not what you’re getting with Jackson, you’re getting 200 innings of ERA in the high 3s to 4s.  And comparing him to guys who are clear overpays (and were supposed to be a lot better than Jackson when they signed their deals) isn’t helpful at all.

I would love Oswalt, but he would be one of those guys I was talking about who would give you a lot better pitching but fewer innings (he has back related problems so expecting 200 innings next year would be foolhardy).

Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

He also gets 16 per, just sayin’.

MaineSox
3 years 6 months ago

True, but that just started this year; prior to this year he was getting 10 per.  Also he has ace potential, which Jackson doesn’t, and given expected production from him (2010 wasn’t expected production) he would be considerably more valuable than Jackson even given that he isn’t likely to throw as many innings.

JacksTigers
3 years 6 months ago

If you were a GM, Brent Clevlen would be you clean up hitter.

Seth
3 years 6 months ago

I for one want to be like Boras! Who wouldn’t wanna sit behind a desk all day and demand ludicrous amounts of money for an unproven 3 or 4 starter on a good club???? And get paid for it too!!! Sign me up!

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
3 years 6 months ago

“unproven” is  wrong

he’s been a  capable major league pitcher for the last four years and been in trades that included Matt Joyce and Colby Rasmus.
 

popular_mechanics_for_pitchers
3 years 6 months ago

but yeah….sweet job haha
 

Vmmercan
3 years 6 months ago

The dude built a corporation and has binders the size of the bible for every single client he has. You can rip on Boras all you want, but implying he is “lazy” is an injustice.

setupunchtag
3 years 6 months ago

Before this, I thought the general consensus was that E-Jax would get three years, not four, and definitely not five. I think Boras is calling for 5 years so that teams will be more likely bump it up from 3 to 4.

snowbladerp14
3 years 6 months ago

if you ask 5 you get 4. you ask 4 you get 3 its just how things work. Boras should as an agent ask for 5

john12121212
3 years 6 months ago

OMG more verbal diarreha from Borass.  He makes me sick!

ObamaDinoKiller
3 years 6 months ago

i get the strategy of asking for more years than you know you will get but…does it need to be said any further? e jax is not worth this type of contract. we all know it, his agent knows it, but some team will come along and give in 21/3 yrs or more because the spending in baseball these days is out of control. in an ideal world, a guy like jackson gets one year deals each year because he hasn’t really proven himself valuable (and i mean in terms of ability, not these crazy new stats). so don’t hate the player, hate the team that furthers the spending spree and sets up even worse pitchers for crazy contracts in the near future

3 years 6 months ago

21/3 is likely what he gets. 7 mil a year is what it takes to buy a 3 or 4 starter these days.

rockfordone
3 years 6 months ago

I wonder why he hasn’t signed-I saw him with the W. Sox last year -Not good -walks drive you crazy – 3yrs max.

Dan_O62
3 years 6 months ago

Sad thing is he’ll probably get something close; Feilder really proved his commtment to being a great player/great contract by shedding tonnes of pounds and doing all that post-season press on how he’s a great leader (it was the invisible tour in case you missed it)… Guy will lard it over to be the next Bob Horner on the 4th year of his next deal. E-Jax is the best remaining pitcher out there and worth 3×38 tops. If Seattle signs him consider Fiddler a lock with the dumb Nats. After their Werthless dabbling with Boras last year, they need ther head examined to go back for 2nds.

pmbmi
3 years 6 months ago

3 for 27 is probably reasonable.  Some days he’ll look great, others he’s a bit of a mess… At the end of the year, you can expect 12 wins, 200 IP, and a 4.50 era… not great, but a valuable #4.

gmantacoma
3 years 6 months ago

12 wins, 200IP, 4.50ERA, #4 pitcher = 27MIL/3YRS NO WAY!!!

3 years 6 months ago

For once I agree with Boras. 

Since 2009:
John Danks: 583 IP, 10.4 WAR = 5/65M for age 27-31 seasons
Mark Buehrle: 629 IP, 10.6 WAR = 4/58M deal for age 33-36 seasons.
Edwin Jackson: 623 IP, 11.2 WAR = Is 28 in 2012. 

Jackson is definitely has better numbers than Buehrle, Danks has the higher ceiling but also hasn’t produced like Jackson has over the last 3 years. Danks is a year younger with a higher ceiling so yeah he deserves a bigger deal, but Jackson deserves a 5 year deal for being traded like 50 times before his 28th birthday. 11.2 WAR over the last 3 years makes him a top 20 pitcher overall in that time frame. Its so odd how underrated he is. 

grownice
3 years 6 months ago

 Using just war alone to evaluate a player?

3 years 6 months ago

Its better than just saying “LOL HE SUX CUZ I SAY SO, HE DESERVES 1/3M”

MikhelB
3 years 6 months ago

Uhm, nope it is not LOL.

soxfan123123
3 years 6 months ago

EJax is inconsistent he is lights out one day and then vin mazzaro the next day ( bit of over exagerration).

Khabibulan
3 years 6 months ago

Is there some kind of volatility stat that shows how consistent or inconsistent a pitcher is from start to start? I think that would show why E Jax is such a pain.

BondstheGOAT
3 years 6 months ago

Regardless of how inconsistent and how bad the walks can be I’d love the Pirates to get him even at 4/40 and maybe an option year if that’s what it’d take.

3 years 6 months ago

4 @ 44 isn’t that bad, I am not so sure if Boras would settle for that though, unless he had to and he might have to. The Other thing is E Jack needs a good pitching coach, Dave Duncan is the guy, but I can’t see the Cardinal coughing that up. Maybe 4 yrs @ 40 million. That’s the most I would do and it wouldn’t  be my Orioles coughing that up because A.) they won’t Angelos is a cheapskate!, Plus they would ask more from the O’s. 2.) I don’t think the O’s pitching coach Adair is the guy for E Jack!

llasasso93
3 years 6 months ago

Boras is high if he thinks someone is gonna give Jackson a 5 year deal

monroe_says
monroe_says
3 years 6 months ago

Sadly, it is the owners who are high,not Boras. It just takes one glassy-eyed billionaire intoxicated by the silver-tongued siren call of a Scott Boras power presentation to screw up the whole market for everyone.