Quick Hits: Pineda, Posada, White Sox, Dodgers

Today the Yankees and Mariners announced the trade that will send right-handers Michael Pineda and Jose Campos to New York for catcher/DH Jesus Montero and right-hander Hector Noesi. Here are some links for Monday, starting with a couple of notes related to the blockbuster swap…

  • In this week’s edition of Ask BA, Jim Callis of Baseball America explains that he prefers Rangers right-hander Yu Darvish over Pineda in the long term. However, Pineda isn't far behind Darvish in Callis’ estimation.
  • One scout says Noesi could be the "surprise piece" for the Mariners, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter).
  • Jorge Posada will discuss his retirement at a press conference at Yankee Stadium tomorrow morning, the Yankees announced. News broke a couple of weeks ago that the long time backstop has decided to call it a career.
  • Pita Rona, a 17-year-old New Zealand native, signed with the Orioles, TVNZ reports. Director of international operations David Stockstill and GM Dan Duquette confirmed the move. New Zealand has yet to produce a Major League player.
  •  The White Sox announced that they promoted former player and manager Buddy Bell to the role of VP, player development and special assignments.
  • The first financial proposals to buy the Dodgers arrived over the weekend and the soft deadline for submissions is today, Yahoo’s Tim Brown tweets.


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61 Comments on "Quick Hits: Pineda, Posada, White Sox, Dodgers"


$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

If the money is there, I’d take a gander at Darvish too.  But at the current costs, Pineda’s looking pretty good.

dook83
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed.  Plus Pineda has already had success in America; while it is true he will have to adjust to the pressure of NYC and the AL East, that’s minor compared to Yu’s learning curve.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

AL East and a Hitters Park vs AL West and Pitchers Park

kevmill21
3 years 7 months ago

3/4….

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

AL East hitter park vs Japanese pitcher with language barrier, pitched off different types of mounds, different balls, different culture, different schedule, more travel, but yes for the most part, I agree the adjustment for Darvish will be far smoother than it will be for Pineda. Burp..

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

We all have to wait for the games to be played to find out.

jwsox
3 years 7 months ago

This past season they actually used MLB issued balls in japan

dook83
3 years 7 months ago

Century, you are spot on, thanks for articulating these important points…I also read that Japanese pitchers do not pitch every 4-5 days but more like every 6-7…

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Japan vs the major leagues, let alone a major hitter’s park in the majors, at a significantly higher cost.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Pineda 4.74 era in second half  not exactly a lock there to be a winner in NY.

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

No it’s not a guaranteed winner.  There’s major risks with either of them, and they both have good potential. Pineda may not have a good second half era, but Darvish hasn’t even put on a uniform yet and yet costs significantly more.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Like I said we all have to wait and see,  and after all it isnt my money they are spending and the Rangers have 2 Billionaire owners so dont think they will eat spam for the length of the contract if he bombs.

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Yep, absolutely have to wait and see.  I’m just saying that I don’t think this discussion had anything to do with the Rangers.  I saw it more as a pretty cost effective alternative the Yankees made rather than shelling out big bucks for essentially the same risks.

dook83
3 years 7 months ago

Jo Mel,
ALL MLB franchise owners are rich, that’s why they can afford to buy teams.  OK, so when the billionaire Steinbrenner family spends big bucks on players for the Yankees they are vilified and fans cry foul, yet it’s OK for rich owners of other teams to do the same?  And by the way, these expenses do trickle down eventually to the fans so it IS your money they are spending…!

dook83
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah, you can throw a dart at just about any pitcher’s second-half stats and find that they hit the “wall” late in the season, especially early in their career.  In Justin Verlander’s first full season in 2006 (at age 23), his ERA over the last last two months was 5.82.  And in c.c. Sabathia’s rookie year, his ERA for that same interval was…4.74.

Devon Henry
3 years 7 months ago

Pineda is cheaper and younger. Pineda > Darvish

3 years 7 months ago

Darvish is BETTER. Darish > Pineda

Jason_F
3 years 7 months ago

You went to Japan to watch him?

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Right now, that’s just a matter of baseless opinion.  Darvish hasn’t pitched to a single live hitter yet.  Potential is there for both of them, but at the fraction of the cost for Pineda. He’s already shown at a young age he can at least pitch.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I agree. Darvish and his 26-4 record in the majors the last 2 seasons along with that sub 3.00ERA has been fantastic..

Er..wait. who? 

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Pineda 4.74 second half era,  youre right hes a LOCK to be a winner right.  

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Perfect opportunity to try out my baby talk. 

Did I say he is a lock to be a winner? I was responding the commenter that seems to feel that Darvish is BETTER, without having much of a basis to make such a comment. 

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

In all honesty watched Pineda last year Great Stuff but reminded me of a younger version of the rangers Ogando,  probably would be better in the pen but if he figures a couple things out can dominate.  I really liked the trade for the Yankees because of Campos great prospect.

3 years 7 months ago

The Mariners are crazy for putting Campos in the deal. A flat out flogging by the Yankees.

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Who said he was a lock?

Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

Good job tearing down that straw man…

Gagandeep Brar
3 years 7 months ago

I still don’t understand how they got Jose Campos with Pineda

Campos > Noesi

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah I think the Yanks got the better end of that deal,  but Jesus is and always will be popular.

sonofsnake
3 years 7 months ago

Depth

Campos was the Mariner’s fourth best pitching prospect and is miles down the road.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

And guess what neither Pineda or Darvish are a dime a dozen.  Good young pitching is hard to find.  Regardless of which team you root for or against.

hardcoreforhardcore
3 years 7 months ago

Why is a comparison even being made between Darvish and Pineda? I don’t see the connection between the two.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

= Yankees. Sports writers have been a little light harping on them for a week or so. 

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

I think it’s just evaluation based on cost and risk, being that the Yankees needed pitching but decided for a cheaper option, so they have to find ways to justify it.

Paul Shailor
3 years 7 months ago

I would take Wandy Rodriguez over Pineda and Darvish!

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Thats to bad for you, because your the only one that would do that.

Paul Shailor
3 years 7 months ago

See Cherington.

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Keep waving your magic Wandy and see if you cast a spell over the rest off us.

ARod's Ring
3 years 7 months ago

Alright Mr. Jeff Luhnow.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Well, that’s not a great comparison. Darvish or Pineda? One cost $110mm the other barely $1mm. 1 has pitched in the MLB, the other has not. The cheaper one is younger. Hmm, that type of high stress decision will make me lose my hair. Surprising to read that from one of the more respected baseball people. However considering everyone is nuts this day and age and no one, not a single writer will give the Yankees credit when due, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Wouldn’t the comparison have been a bit better with Gio Gonzalez, Latos, or even Trevor Cahill? Why single out Pineda? Whatever…

nictonjr
3 years 7 months ago

If the league minimum is $480K, does that mean you don’t think Pineda will be pitching in 2 years??

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

oi..with the moderation of comments. 

I’ll speak in baby talk from here on out. 

davbee
3 years 7 months ago

Pineda could end up being a great pitcher, but I’m not sure being counted on at age 23 as the #2 man in the Yanks rotation is the best way for him to get there.  Last year he had to be limited to 171 innings by the M’s, and even at that his velocity and effectiveness were down in the second half of the year.  What’s it going to be like in NY having to be counted on to pitch in high pressure September games and then (probably) deep into the playoffs?  And also moving from a very forgiving ballpark in Safeco to one that is a relative HR bandbox, particularly to RF.  I’m not sure the Yanks are going to get the “stud” they think they’re getting–at least not in 2012 (and maybe not even 2013).

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

The exact opposite risks are what the M’s took on for Montero.  Rather than the risk of pitching in a high pressure atmosphere, they risk that he’s pretty much a DH and has almost no major league experience.  Otherwise you’re taking a RH hitter in a hitter friendly park and moving him to a death zone for right handers.

davbee
3 years 7 months ago

That’s true, but whatever Montero does or doesn’t do, it will be in a low pressure environment.  Pineda is expected to immediately shoulder a heavy workload for a team that could go far into the post season.  That’s potentially a lot of innings and a lot of pressure on a 23 year old.  And moving from a pitcher’s park to one that greatly favors hitters, it could be yet another factor that could mess with his development.

Pineda had a good year last year, but his ERA+ was only 103 and he really struggled post-ASG (5.12 ERA  and 8 HR allowed in 58 IP vs. 3.03 and 10 HR allowed in 113 IP before).

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t disagree, as it’s part of the reason I think the trade was fair. It’s risky for both teams.  Just saying the risks are evened out by the fact that he has no experience and is limited to being a dh.  Plus with teams always looking for pitching, I think Pineda’s a bigger commodity to risk, especially with how badly the Yankees need pitching and how badly the M’s need hitting.

davbee
3 years 7 months ago

I think it was a trade both teams had to make.  If the M’s get the second coming of Edgar Martinez, I’m sure they’d be more than happy to have “just a DH.”  And if the Yankees get 5 years of 200+ IP/K, I think they’ll be happy as well.  I think NY is shouldering more of the risk, because they need to have Pineda be great immediately, but because they’re the Yankees, if they’ve made a mistake they’ll just throw money out there to get another pitcher, so I’m not sure how much risk they are actually taking on.

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

But that’s exactly why I don’t think they’re risking that much because if he flops, they’ll find a replacement one way or another.  If Montero flops, the M’s don’t have a whole lot of options.

davbee
3 years 7 months ago

 To paraphrase, if Montero flops in the forests of the Pacific NW, would anybody notice?

$3513744
3 years 7 months ago

Yes, a lot of people in Seattle and NY would notice.  I understand the scrutiny Pineda’s under, but just because there’s more pressure doesn’t mean people won’t notice–especially how hyped he is.

Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

From what I’ve read Safeco is death to RH pull hitters, and Montero primarily likes to go the opposite way with it.  So, hopefully he won’t be affected as greatly by the switch.  

HalosForever
3 years 7 months ago

Cant wait ’till pujols takes
darvish deep, dead center!

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Pita Rona I hear a stipulation in contract is he cant live with his brother.

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

The AL East is going to eat Pita for lunch.

Ba-dum-dump.

3 years 7 months ago

Jim Callis is also leaving Campos out of the equation, and Campos could either become another valuable player on the Yankees or a key piece in a future trade. Even removing that, the final price of Darvish meant that the Yankees would be valuing Montero at around 70-80 millions right now (I’m removing what Montero would win in arbitration).

Yankees420
3 years 7 months ago

You’re projecting Montero to earn 30-40MM through arb? 

3 years 7 months ago

I actually rounded up Darvish’s numbers at around 100 millions, so I’m proyecting that if he becomes a monster, he will earn around 20-30 millions on his arbitration years.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

$110mm > $1mm 

Jon Melton
3 years 7 months ago

Correction   110M  versus Montero and 1M

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

I actually figured it out. Stewpid (misspelled intentionally) gets caught in their filter. Understandable. Original comment now posted. 

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Yeah there are probably more and more words added to the filter. I’m not necessarily saying I have a problem with it, its just becoming more apparent that words with multiple meanings are being caught. It’s ultimately better for the site long term, but what would helpful to us commenters is that instead of the comment just going off into cyber space “waiting for moderation” it might be helpful to just reject the comment and state “words not allowed, please make changes.” we actually have a filter like that with our company. It’s a lifesaver. It’s a bit frustrating when you type out a 1500 word comment and then its gone forever :(

3 years 7 months ago

I can’t wait until (insert Rangers batter here) takes CJ deep this year…now repeat about 15x.