Jorge Posada To Announce Retirement

Jorge Posada will announce his retirement within the next two weeks, a source tells Sweeny Murti of WFAN (via Twitter).  Previously, it was reported that Posada wanted to continue playing in 2012 if he could find the right situation.

Posada spent his entire 17 big league career with the Yankees after being drafted by the club in the 24th round of the 1990 draft.  The catcher hit .273/.374/.474 for his career with 275 home runs.  In total, Posada earned five All-Star nominations, including his resurgent 2007 campaign.  That year, Posada hit .338/.426/.543 with 20 home runs and finished sixth in the voting for AL MVP.

According to Baseball Reference, Posada earned more than $117MM lifetime from the Yankees.  The catcher re-upped with the Bombers prior to the 2008 season with a four-year, $52.4MM deal.

Two weeks ago, the catcher's father said that Posada was receiving interest from the Rays, Phillies, and Orioles.  It's unclear how strong the interest was from those clubs as he didn't seem to be a clear fit for any of them.  The O's were said to be after someone who could catch everyday if neccessary and the 40-year-old Posada likely couldn't provide that.


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    • Guest 3 years ago

      i wasnt expecting him to go anywhere else, he is a lifetime yankee, and had a great career, but his playing days are definetely over.

      • Jon Melton 3 years ago

        Not a Yankee fan but a baseball fan and he was a great Yankee,  numbers alone wont get him in the hall but the 5 Rings just might.  Its a rare thing to have a player play a whole career with one team and i am sure they loved him all the more for it.

        • Red_Line_9 3 years ago

          The Yankees are one of the rare organizations that can possibly afford to keep their players together for an entire career.  People can say what they want about the Yankees, but they pipelined some major talent out of that farm system in the 1990s.  Sure, they spent money that only they could afford to spend….but the greatest parts of those teams were built from the system.  I got tired of their domination, but it was interesting for a few years…after they’d been fairly lousy since the early 80’s.  Those early teams with Wetteland, Brosious, Williams, O’Neill..etc were exciting.  To me something changed once they started really pouncing the FA market with Giambi and Rodriguez.

          • Vmmercan 3 years ago

            It’s more like Kevin Brown and Giambi…The Yankees’ pounced the trade market with A-Rod.

          • Red_Line_9 3 years ago

            My bad, you’re right…but it seemed to change the complexion of the team and the team chemistry.  Scott Brosious certainly wasn’t A-Rod….but the Yanks seemed to have a deeper soul when he and Paul O’Neill were on the team.

          • jjs91 3 years ago

            brown was traded also

          • Vmmercan 3 years ago

            haha sad, you’re right. I guess we can call it the Jaret Wright Experience then. 

          • Vmmercan 3 years ago

            Or Carl Pavano.

          • jjs91 3 years ago

            The worst part is i remembered wanting both to sign that season

        • I never knew Posada has 5 rings.You must of started watching baseball in 1998

          • jjs91 3 years ago

            If he started watching in 98 he would only known of 4 instances of the yankees winning the ws so i dont get your joke…

    • Lastings 3 years ago

      Hip Hip Jorge! Finally, it was about time he called it a career.

    • I would say something good about him, but he’s a Yankee, so I can’t.

    • I would say something good about him, but he’s a Yankee, so I can’t.

    • Joveoak 3 years ago

      Not surprised at all.  The verdict in New York for Posada was either retirement or wearing a non-Yankee uniform.

  1. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Probably for the best at this point.  Even as a Sox fan I’ve always liked Posada, but it’s time.

    • towney007 3 years ago

      I hope Jason Varitek is somewhere hearing this, too.

    • towney007 3 years ago

      I hope Jason Varitek is somewhere hearing this, too.

  2. Great career. he shouldnt drag it out forever like some do. Thats 2 of the “core 4″ gone! 

  3. Melvin McMurf 3 years ago

    hope he can live off the 117 million he made over his career

  4. I agree about time I hate that little winey excuse for a catcher oh but wait I hate all Yankees couldnt even stand Reggie even after he made the wisest choice in his career becoming an Angel still hated him cause he was a Yankee

    • Rangersfan32 3 years ago

      Jeff Mathis ftw!

    • jjs91 3 years ago

      Why do the angels and angels fans hate offensive catchers?

    • MB923 3 years ago

      Boo hoo hoo.

    • Why don’t you concentrate on the teams in your own division?  Not a team that has beaten you ONCE in the playoffs in the last two decades.  Not to mention, the Angels have the greatest record against the Yankees in the last fifteen years.  Hater in the house…

  5. Big fan of Sado, he got a lot of flack last year and I’m glad he was able to show off a bit in the post-season even if it was brief.  I’m glad he will retire a life long Yankee and look forward to seeing him one day at Old-Timers’ Day.  Congrats on a great career!

  6. LifeLongYankeeFan 3 years ago

    Thank you Posada on a great career I’m glad u didn’t decide to end up playing anywhere else

    • Gigantes2425 3 years ago

      It wasn’t his decision. No one would even look at him. That’s how bad he was.

  7. LifeLongYankeeFan 3 years ago

    Thank you Posada on a great career I’m glad u didn’t decide to end up playing anywhere else

  8. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Congrats to Posada! All the respect in the world for the guy. He was a life long Yankee and played the game the right way. Enjoy your retirement Posada. HOF.

  9. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Congrats to Posada! All the respect in the world for the guy. He was a life long Yankee and played the game the right way. Enjoy your retirement Posada. HOF.

  10. It’s best this way. He’s a lifetime Yankee and that’s how it should be.

  11. Blake_HawksWitt 3 years ago

    He had a great career and I liked when he fought Jesse Carlson.

  12. philpbarnes 3 years ago

    Good for him. Would have been wrong to see him wearing another teams jersey. 

  13. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I salute you! Congrats on a borderline HOF career. Now mentor Montero and teach him how to master the art of being a below average C who manages to have a great 15 year career.

    • JacksTigers 3 years ago

      He had a very good career. There’s no taking that away from him. But a borderline HOF career? I don’t really see any stats to back that up. Of the core four, Jeter and Rivera are HOF’s, but Pettitte and Posada are not.

      • jjs91 3 years ago

        Only 5 catchers in the history  of the game have put a a bwar over 4 for 6 seasons, i’m sure offensively he is top ten in evry offensive catergory for catchers as well.

      • Devon Henry 3 years ago

        Agreed. 275 HR  273 AVG under 1000 Runs are NOT Hall of fame material. This is like me saying Torii Hunter is a HoFer right now he has better stats in nearly every category but he is obviously not in yet.

        • jjs91 3 years ago

          Hunter isnt a catcher though, and until he starts hitting  .200 i doubt your manager will let him try it out

          • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

            not to mention bat avg and runs aren’t the best ways to judge someone. 

    • It seems to be a consensus that Posada is a borderline borderline hall of famer. At least you don’t have to worry about an asterisk next to his name when you talk about him a few years down the road. 

  14. arod188 3 years ago

    Congrats on a great career Jorge. I do not believe you are a Hall of Fame catcher, but you are without a doubt a Hall of Fame Yankee. There have been very few players in MLB the last 15 years that have been as fiery and passionate as you about the game and about winning. Enjoy retirement, you earned it. Congratulations

  15. michael hughes 3 years ago

    He had a hell of a career, probably a little short of the hall of fame but a great player. I was never a Yankees fan but it was hard to follow baseball as a kid in the late 90s/early 200s and not be a fan of Jorge.

  16. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    Jorge is def borderline HOF, and I see him getting in. Just a guess though. Guy was a great offensive catcher and has alot of rings. He should get in.

  17. Kevin 3 years ago

    It’s about time

  18. Matt Giorno 3 years ago

    Great player great player have a great retirement

  19. wintwins 3 years ago

    and if Bernie makes it I’m boycotting baseball

  20. ryanbattista 3 years ago

    I thought highly of him up until he cried like a little league player about hitting 9th. In hindsight he was 5 months away from retirement and he should have been happy with the fact that he was on a major league roster. (And by the way making about 12 million to boot!) You can take your me first attitude to your couch and watch next year Georgie!

    • michael hughes 3 years ago

      I’m not saying Jorge was right to complain but try to think about how difficult it is to be great at something your entire life, to have succeeded for years, to have it as your only profession, and to love doing it then seeing it all coming to an end because, just like everyone else, you’re getting old and can’t play like you used to no matter how hard you try.

      • ryanbattista 3 years ago

        he had 17 years to play a game for a living i dont feel bad for him at all.

        • michael hughes 3 years ago

          I don’t think you should feel sorry for him, heck he’s made over a hundred million dollars, but I can see why he’d complain as his career was coming to an end just because of how frustrating it is for aging players to see their skills disappear.

  21. ryanbattista 3 years ago

    I thought highly of him up until he cried like a little league player about hitting 9th. In hindsight he was 5 months away from retirement and he should have been happy with the fact that he was on a major league roster. (And by the way making about 12 million to boot!) You can take your me first attitude to your couch and watch next year Georgie!

  22. Mike1L 3 years ago

    It’s hard to know when to go, and he stayed a little too long.  But there haven’t been too many catchers with his level of productivity-particularly often playing in high-stress situations.  Maybe not Hall of Fame, but a pretty darn good career. If we had perfect foresight, would any of us sneer at a prospect like Posada?

  23. redsx968 3 years ago

    One of the yankees that I’ve always respected. Shame his career had to sort of fizzle out like it did, but I guess thats how it goes. Best wishes to him in retirement

  24. Glad to see this hothead retire

  25. Since_77 3 years ago

    One of the greatest Yankee catchers.

    Hip Hip Jorge! Thanks!

  26. Since_77 3 years ago

    One of the greatest Yankee catchers.

    Hip Hip Jorge! Thanks!

  27. yabud 3 years ago

    Respect out to Jorge. Solid career. I saw him go 2-2 with 2B and 2RBI at this game – link to baseball-reference.com -, in which 8 runs were scored in both the top and bottom of the 2nd inning. Looking up to the electronic banner from RF seeing “Hip Hip Jorge!” and people going nuts, a memory I won’t soon forget. 

  28. yabud 3 years ago

    Respect out to Jorge. Solid career. I saw him go 2-2 with 2B and 2RBI at this game – link to baseball-reference.com -, in which 8 runs were scored in both the top and bottom of the 2nd inning. Looking up to the electronic banner from RF seeing “Hip Hip Jorge!” and people going nuts, a memory I won’t soon forget. 

  29. If peole actualy think Posada should be a HOF they need their head checked.His defense was awful and his offense was very good for a catcher but not great.I know Girardi is a very happy man today

    • jjs91 3 years ago

      “his offense was very good for a catcher but not great” if you think that this is true you should probably stop talking baseball, besides he was an vereage defensive catcher early on.

  30. levendis 3 years ago

    The only reason hes retiring is because no one was offering him a job. He would have had no problem playing for another team. That being said, the man was one of the best offensive catchers baseball all time. Thanks for the last 15 years Posada, its been great.

    • Joveoak 3 years ago

      “The only reason he’s retiring is because the Yankees were not offering him a job and no other team was interested.  That being said,
      the man was one of the best offensive catchers baseball all time. Thanks
      for the last 15 years Posada, its been great.”

      Fixed that for you.

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      I don’t think it’s true. I can’t imagine he couldn’t got a job for 1/$2 mil to be a platoon DH, C, 1B considering how he hit last year vs RHP (14 hrs and a .814 OPS).

      • levendis 3 years ago

        fine, your right, maybe a platoon role, but I dont think his ego could of taken another hit from last year. What is 2 mil going to do for him? Either no one was offering him any, or he was too proud to accept a job backing up for someone.

  31. Encarnacion's Parrot 3 years ago

    Solid catcher in his prime. Hard to see him in the HoF though. Never was a great defender, and has no significant milestones.

  32. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    Not a Hall of Famer (if you’re looking for a future HoF catcher, you might want to go the borough across the Whitestone), but had a fantastic career and will probably be in monument park (if they still have that) one day.

    Thanks to Posada, Piazza, and Hundley from 1996 to 2007, at least one catcher in New York had at least twenty home runs. How many cities can say that?

  33. MB923 3 years ago

    I dont think he’s a HOFer but to say he Isn’t a Borderline HOFer is ridiculous. He’s 15th all time in WAR for C. Currently there are 13 C in the HOF which obviously is not including Pudge and Piazza who are ahead of him in WAR. Not all of the C ahead of him in WAR though are in such as Joe Torre who had a WAR above 70 and was very close to Yogi Berra in WAR.

    • jjs91 3 years ago

      he was also extremly durable very few catchers caught more games per season then he did, which is why i doubt mauer will ever make it.

  34. Guest 3 years ago

    As a Philly sports enthusiast, felt the need to bust your balls a little.  I currently live/work in the NYC area and went to college with enough North Jersey/New York kids to know how you guys work.  You root for the one team, but the other one is on the backburner.  Never had to make that choice so hard for me to criticize.

    I often pose the hypothetical to my friends who we’d root for if both the A’s and Phillies were still in Philadelphia.  One team would probably play in South Philly at the Complex, while the other would’ve probably settled in South Jersey.  My Dad was 5 when the A’s skipped town so he’s always been a Phillies fan.

  35. DK_hits_20 3 years ago

    Well I guess he doesn’t need to announce it anymore. 

  36. Not Hall of Fame.

  37. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    I never liked the guy, in fact I  pretty much despised him.
    however, his numbers are impressive. 

  38. LaffitesLanding 3 years ago

    Of course, Posada is a borderline HOF. He was a truly great offensive catcher and good enough defensively to stay behind the dish for 15+ seasons. I think Ted Simmons is probably the best catcher who is not in the hall of fame. Posada is at least close to Simmons and actually beats him in OPS+ 121-117. Simmons was around for longer and thus has better counting stats. Posada, if he does make the hall of fame, would be far from the worst catcher in the hall. I’m not a Yankee fan 
    but he was one of my favorite players to watch of all time. Have a good retirement Mr. Posada. 

    • weaselpuppy 3 years ago

      Simmons and Freehan are neck and neck for me….Posada is Darrell Porter with fewer walks….no HOF but nice career

  39. DunkinDonuts 3 years ago

    Can someone explain to me why this guy isn’t being vilified for potential steroid use like some of the other folks who have never tested positive?  Is it the slimming effect of the pinstripes?

    • jjs91 3 years ago

      That’s pretty much bagwell isnt it? Besides no one in this thread has stated that pudge used when discussing their respective careers.

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      That’s such an odd question. What about him screams steroids? It’s not like he had a sudden jump from being a 5 hr guy to a 35 hr guy and the 1 exceptional year he had late in his 30’s quickly came crashing back to earth and was during the testing era. 

      That’s like asking how come no one is vilifying Ichiro? Sort of random.

      • DunkinDonuts 3 years ago

        Excellent.  This is the defensive response I was hoping for.  So if the benchmark is a sudden and inexplicable jump in homerun numbers, can we agree that nothing about Bagwell and Piazza screams steroids either?

        This is also the first time that I’ve ever heard a single exceptional year followed by a quick crash back to earth used as an argument AGAINST steroid use.

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      That’s such an odd question. What about him screams steroids? It’s not like he had a sudden jump from being a 5 hr guy to a 35 hr guy and the 1 exceptional year he had late in his 30’s quickly came crashing back to earth and was during the testing era. 

      That’s like asking how come no one is vilifying Ichiro? Sort of random.

  40. Posada was probably a very good catcher, but I don’t think that I can call him HOF material. That he played until the age of 40 is an accomplishment in itself though.

    As for his number being retired, I think that it will have to wait. I do not see his number (or Paul O’Neill’s 21 or Bernie Williams’ 51) being retired before Derek Jeter’s 2 or Mariano Rivera’s 42.

  41. Josh Gedert 3 years ago

    I’m sure you could do much better.

  42. $2509879 3 years ago

    He was twice the player Jason Varidick was.

  43. Jade Mcdermott 3 years ago

    Probably could

  44. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    You’re going to be really popular here.

  45. DT Flush234 3 years ago

    If he sucks then why did he hit 275 HR in His career help the Yankees win 5 World Series.

  46. DT Flush234 3 years ago

    If he sucks then why did he hit 275 HR in His career help the Yankees win 5 World Series.

  47. vonhayesdays 3 years ago

    probably could suck better , id bet on that 

  48. MaineSox 3 years ago

     Are you saying he’s jaded?

  49. Jade Mcdermott 3 years ago

    Boo hoo I am not batting 9 th I am to better then that but dont forget to deposit my million into my account or I will cry so more. Not a team player at all

  50. michael hughes 3 years ago

    It’s got to be tough for older players who have had great careers being pushed out by younger players at the end of their careers. Tom Glavine had the same problem after he was brought back by the Braves and his rotation spot was given to Tommy Hanson, he even filed a grievance with the players union.

  51. wintwins 3 years ago

    idk about that

  52. wintwins 3 years ago

    idk about that

  53. MetsEventually 3 years ago

    uh….No. 

  54. weaselpuppy 3 years ago

    Don’t think he gets in….his numbers when normalized for his era
    aren’t good enough against other catchers, and his defense was below
    average. Example? Look at Bill Freehan…played in the opposite situation,
    his entire career in the most hitting depressed time
    (1962-1976)…normalize up his stats and they are about identical to
    Posada…except he was an incredible defensive catcher (5 GG) and went to
    11 straight AS games, 3 top 7 MVP voting results…and he barely got 20%
    of the vote in any year on the HOF ballot. Ted Simmons is a better comp
    for Posada, and has better stats and similar defense than Posada while
    straddling the two extreme hitting eras of Posada and Freehan

    Hall of Very Good is calling Jorge….no shot at HOF….

  55. Encarnacion's Parrot 3 years ago

    That’s what she said.

  56. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    LA and Chicago, Philadelphia if you want to go back a ways. It was just something I found cool. 

  57. jjs91 3 years ago

    uh.. yes, only 5 catchers  in the history of the gm have had a war of over 4 for 6 seasons.

  58. MB923 3 years ago

    It’s debatable but I’d lean towards no. The only catchers who have had better careers than him in his era are Pudge and Piazza, and arguably Mauer if he stays there.

  59. jjs91 3 years ago

     I want to argue but i dont know what that first sentence means.

  60. MetsEventually 3 years ago

    Oh! I didn’t realize that Posada was on the same level as Piazza, Fisk and Carter! Also, Posada batted over .290 once, while Piazza’s career avg. is .308. Posada is only getting attention because he was on the Yankees. Put him on the Dodgers and Mets (in place of Piazza), he’s just another catcher. WAR is abused these days. 

  61. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    Championships shouldn’t help or hurt a player’s chances because it’s a team game. Hitting 275 is a very good career, but not a HOF player. If Posada gets in, the HOF will become a complete joke. He does not belong there.

  62. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    Just because someone was a good player on a dynastic team doesn’t make them a Hall of Famer. It’s a team game.

    Why are only members of the Yankees dynasty brought up for the HoF? No one ever vouches for Bert Campeneris or Sal Bando, no one ever pulls for George Foster, and I’ve never heard anyone make a case for Bob Welch.

  63. jjs91 3 years ago

    i’m not sure i said athat, i’m also not sure i should argue with someone that values average. Especially since posada had a better career average than carter who you mentioned for some reason and had a better career ops than him.  Put posada on a differrent team he probably debut earlier and might have a even better career. Players dont get more value for being yankees.

  64. jjs91 3 years ago

     I also dont get your logic why would it matter if posada was on those players level exactly? Ernie Lombardi is in the hof and is not on those guys level.

  65. How is WAR abused?

  66. MB923 3 years ago

    .275 for a catcher is a pretty high BA. I’m not comparing these 2 players whatsoever, but even Johnny Bench only hit .267. Nearly half the catchers in the HOF had a BA under .280

  67. jjs91 3 years ago

    You are really backing up your argument quite nicely

  68. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Since 1900.

    Posada vs all Catchers

    9th in hrs all-time
    10th in slugging
    9th in OBP
    7th in OPS
    14th in RBI

    Considering we’re talking about all the C in the last 100 + years, to rank top 10 in some key categories means a lot especially in a very, very difficult position where offense is tough to come bye. 

    His defense lowers his overall WAR value but Fangraphs batting value has him as the 12th best all-time.

    Never said he was a sure thing but certainly borderline and should get serious consideration. Add to it the “Yankee lore” and the WS rings I think that at some point the writers will fall for the romance of seeing Posada join Jeter and Mo in the Hall. 

    Pettite probably won’t make it because of the PDE’s despite being a top 3 lefty over the last 30 years and having almost identical or better numbers (WAR, FIP and xFIP) compared to Tom Glavine who will be a shoe in with his 300 + wins. 

    Bernie WIlliams was as bad defensively in CF as Posada was at C but considering the historically great CF’s there’s no way he’s getting in.

    Still, it’s been a pleasure to watch those 5 guys together for so long. Such a perfect example of building a team built for longevity with some nice acquisitions to complement them. Hopefully, Cashman can continue to build from within and complement the core with signings and trades. Thus far, we don’t seem to have any comparable to those 5 yet.

  69. jjs91 3 years ago

    If straw was a catcher you’d have one hellava point

  70. jjs91 3 years ago

    That was some edit.

  71. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    “Why are only members of the Yankees dynasty brought up for the HoF?” 
    Not even sure how to answer this. Just because the Mets don’t have any HOF players (lifers) doesn’t mean the hall is saturated with just Yankees. Those players are good but none of them are HOF worthy.

    I mean can you make an argument for any of those 3 to be top 10 offensively or defensively at their perspective positions? No. Even Campaneris who was a great glove wouldn’t rank top 20 defensively and was nothing with the bat. Poor comparison.
    As for Welch, 211 W (which is a poor tool to use but weighs heavily among HOF voters) isn’t that impressive for a righty (in historical context).

  72. Yes, but most of those catchers also played in a different era. An era where pitching was dominant.

  73. MB923 3 years ago

    Well even if you compare his numbers to the catchers today in this era, I’d say only Pudge and Piazza were better and those 2 are shoe in for the HOF (Most likely Mauer will be ahead eventually)

  74. jedicouncil 3 years ago

    wasnt steve howe a coke head yankee?

  75. jjs91 3 years ago

    Pudge was not better offensivly

  76. jedicouncil 3 years ago

    pussoda wasnt anywhere near the player puckett was, get real buddy.  too bad he got beaned……should have been pussoda!!

  77. Really a personal attack on the guy? For shame, internet tough guy.

    But just to appease your argument, no Bernie was not better than Kirby.

    Puckett: 49.4 Career WAR
    Williams: 47.5 Career WAR.

    Puckett had more Gold Gloves, more All Star appearances, and a much higher average than Bernie.

    Bernie only had more WS titles and more homeruns in 4 more seasons than Kirby.

    So if Kirby is not deserving of HOF than how is Bernie?

  78. jjs91 3 years ago

    The yankees got him from the rangers 

  79. icedrake523 3 years ago

    Is Kei Igawa’s Yankeeography on YouTube yet?

  80. Joveoak 3 years ago

    Boston had two teams as well.

  81. DunkinDonuts 3 years ago

    L.A. doesn’t have two teams, no matter how hard Arte Moreno tries to make it so.  And Philadelphia did not have two teams from 1996 to 2007.

    Thanks to Ivan Rodriguez, Craig Biggio, and Brad Ausmus, at least one catcher in Texas won a Gold Glove from 1992-2002.  How many states can say that?

  82. $2509879 3 years ago

    WAR just means Kirby had weaker competition than Bernie. Bernie’s lifetime OBP was 20 points higher. Plus, Bernie was a gentleman compared to the raving lunatic sex-fiend-wife-beater Kirby. So, no need to boycott Baseball if he eventually gets in the same place Ron Santo and Bill Mazeroski got in by being nice guys.

  83. $2509879 3 years ago

    WAR only means Kirby’s competition was weaker. Bernie’s lifetime OBP was 20 points higher, plus his CHARACTER was a lot stronger than Puckett.

    Lifetime slashes:

    MATTINGLY .307/.358/.471
    BERNIE         .297/.381/.477 
    POSADA       .273/.374/.474
    SANTO          .277/.362/.464
    PUCKETT     .318/.360/.477

    If those bottom two deserve the HOF, the top 3 certainly do too.

  84. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Wow….I absolutely agree that Puckett (one of my favorite players) was a better overall player than Bernie, but using the amount of GG, All-Star appearance and Bat avg aren’t the best tools to use to state your argument.

    To his credit though, Williams had a better lifetime OBP, wOBA, OPS, ISO and drew twice as many walks (11% vs 5%). 

    Still the main reason why Puckett has more WAR than Williams has all to do with horrible career UZR (-152 vs Puckett’s -15) than it does their offense. Williams trumps Kirby in Bat Value (335 vs 241). Williams obviously played more games than Kirby but he also had more year w/ a BatValue above 40 (3) than Kirby (1).

    Interesting though, there’s no reason to think Bernie ever used steroids and if you look at his career for a decade (1991-2000) he’s top 10 across the board among OF’ers and it becomes even more impressive if he did it clean. But still, not HOF’esque.

  85. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Wow….I absolutely agree that Puckett (one of my favorite players) was a better overall player than Bernie, but using the amount of GG, All-Star appearance and Bat avg aren’t the best tools to use to state your argument.

    To his credit though, Williams had a better lifetime OBP, wOBA, OPS, ISO and drew twice as many walks (11% vs 5%). 

    Still the main reason why Puckett has more WAR than Williams has all to do with horrible career UZR (-152 vs Puckett’s -15) than it does their offense. Williams trumps Kirby in Bat Value (335 vs 241). Williams obviously played more games than Kirby but he also had more year w/ a BatValue above 40 (3) than Kirby (1).

    Interesting though, there’s no reason to think Bernie ever used steroids and if you look at his career for a decade (1991-2000) he’s top 10 across the board among OF’ers and it becomes even more impressive if he did it clean. But still, not HOF’esque.

  86. tiger313 3 years ago

    Pudge had great offensive numbers. A lot better than posada Take a look.

  87. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    What Pudge lacked in OBP he made up for with his incredible contact ability as a hitter. At the end of the day, 2,800 hits, 300 hrs and a lifetime BA around .300 is incredible.

  88. So you want to penalize Kirby for issues that happened after his playing career. Never mind the fact he was one of the more popular players, and one of the fan friendly players DURING his playing career.

    And like I have said, these issues happened AFTER his playing career. So for all you know, Bernie could end up driving drunk and killing someone like another former Yankee.

  89. About character, you do realize that Kirby was well known for charity work. I mean if he was such a horrible person then why did he win the Branch Rickey Award and the Roberto Clemente award? Both awarded to players of high character that get involved in their community.

    But if you are trying to use Ron Santo as an argument you are really reaching. But then again look at the lines that you provided yourself. You only provide one stat as to why Bernie is better. But if you look at everything else, and remember that Kirby, unlike Bernie, was considered one of the best in the league during his career, and consider that Kirby’s career was shorter than Bernie’s because of injury and the like. Then yes, Kirby is way more deserving than Bernie.

    But hey, Bernie will always have a spot in the hall of very good. 

  90. And why are all Yankee fans trying to compare Mattingly to Kirby?

    I mean Kirby beat Mattingly easily across the board except for HRs and RBIs. And this is very important, Mattingly was a 1b, not a CF. Defense counts for something too.

    If you really want to talk about undeserving HOFers, how about Phil Rizzuto. A guy who benefitted from being on the Yankees more than what he did.

  91. IndianaBob 3 years ago

    Mattingly and Pucketts (I know he is in but he should not be) careers were too short and I am a guy that values peak years.  Posada and Santo played C and 3B, so those offensive numbers are much more impressive.  Yes, I know Posada was not a good defensive catcher, but his offense is light years above most catchers.  I also hate the Yankees, so this is not homer speak.  Bernie is just short as his defense is bad and there are a lot of good center fielders.

  92. MetsEventually 3 years ago

    What?! That’s completely wrong. Look at Nick Swisher. All he could do was hit home runs, until he came to the Yankees. Granderson hits FOURY-ONE home runs, where he could never do such a thing with the Tigers. 

  93. MetsEventually 3 years ago

    WAR is abused because most people believe WAR is what determines who’s better than who. Not everyone, just what I’ve noticed.

  94. jjs91 3 years ago

    What?? Swisher best obp years happened in oakland and granderson hit 30 hrs for the tigers and completly reworked his swing.

  95. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Bad Minaya….bad, bad, bad.

    Swish’s career highs in HR, OBP and RBI all came with the A’s. 

    Grandy’s career high in WAR came in Detroit.

    If anything, you can say the Yankees have a positive effect on hitters because of Kevin Long and the general approach that the Yankee hitters have. OR, you can also say that the Yanks attempt to ACQUIRE hitters that fit their offensive charachter. Grandy has always been a 10% walk guy for most of his career.

    Not really sure what your point is.

  96. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    Personally, I don’t think Posada is Hall of Fame material. He may have some top 10 numbers offensively for catchers. But throughout the history of the game, catcher has been a defensive position. There really haven’t been any offensive powerhouses from behind the plate. Posada’s defense is not good, and his bat is solid, but not spectacular. He was an excellent player and a key part of multiple championships, but I think he’s more of a member of the “Hall of Very Good.”

  97. CaseyBlakeDeWitt 3 years ago

    I don’t know what the edit was, but at least he didn’t change it from “FIRST” (while actually being second) to a legit argument.

  98. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    I never said the Hall is saturated with Yankees, there are as many undeserving Yankees in the Hall as there are other for other teams (but thanks for making a straw-man). 

    People constantly bring up names like Posada, Pettitte and Williams because they helped the Yankees to championships, that is why I brought up the names I did. 

    If you look at Bando’s career numbers, they roughly compare to recent inductee Ron Santo’s. George Foster was said to be one of the greatest players of all time during his playing days and was an MVP. A major cog in the Big Red Machine whose career tailed off early. 

    Campeneris was a slick fielding short stop who has 600+ stolen bases for his career.

    Posada was a good hitting catcher, and his offensive stats are compared to Gary Carter, but when you factor in defense, which was what Carter’s calling card really is, there isn’t even a modicum of doubt that Posada isn’t a hall of famer. 

  99. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    I never said the Hall is saturated with Yankees, there are as many undeserving Yankees in the Hall as there are other for other teams (but thanks for making a straw-man). 

    People constantly bring up names like Posada, Pettitte and Williams because they helped the Yankees to championships, that is why I brought up the names I did. 

    If you look at Bando’s career numbers, they roughly compare to recent inductee Ron Santo’s. George Foster was said to be one of the greatest players of all time during his playing days and was an MVP. A major cog in the Big Red Machine whose career tailed off early. 

    Campeneris was a slick fielding short stop who has 600+ stolen bases for his career.

    Posada was a good hitting catcher, and his offensive stats are compared to Gary Carter, but when you factor in defense, which was what Carter’s calling card really is, there isn’t even a modicum of doubt that Posada isn’t a hall of famer. 

  100. MetsMagic 3 years ago

    I never said the Hall is saturated with Yankees, there are as many undeserving Yankees in the Hall as there are other for other teams (but thanks for making a straw-man). 

    People constantly bring up names like Posada, Pettitte and Williams because they helped the Yankees to championships, that is why I brought up the names I did. 

    If you look at Bando’s career numbers, they roughly compare to recent inductee Ron Santo’s. George Foster was said to be one of the greatest players of all time during his playing days and was an MVP. A major cog in the Big Red Machine whose career tailed off early. 

    Campeneris was a slick fielding short stop who has 600+ stolen bases for his career.

    Posada was a good hitting catcher, and his offensive stats are compared to Gary Carter, but when you factor in defense, which was what Carter’s calling card really is, there isn’t even a modicum of doubt that Posada isn’t a hall of famer. 

  101. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Ok you lost me. NOT SAYING MATTINGLY DESERVES TO BE IN THE HOF. BUT….they are a great comparison. They both started/ended about the same time. They both played about the same amount of games (1,771 vs 1,781) and they both had their careers cut short to injury (although Mattingly’s injuries were more chronic and watered down his performance for a more prolonged period whereas Kirby’s was sudden and abrupt).

    Kirby is +11 in Bat
    Kirby is +2 in OBP
    Mattingly is + 15 in hrs
    Kirby is +4 in wOBA
    Kirby is +7 in OPS

    Those are not “easily across the board”. They are almost exactly the same when you look at it.

    As for defense, Mattingly, according to UZR was a much better defensive player with a +32 UZR vs Puckett’s -15 UZR.

  102. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    Ok you lost me. NOT SAYING MATTINGLY DESERVES TO BE IN THE HOF. BUT….they are a great comparison. They both started/ended about the same time. They both played about the same amount of games (1,771 vs 1,781) and they both had their careers cut short to injury (although Mattingly’s injuries were more chronic and watered down his performance for a more prolonged period whereas Kirby’s was sudden and abrupt).

    Kirby is +11 in Bat
    Kirby is +2 in OBP
    Mattingly is + 15 in hrs
    Kirby is +4 in wOBA
    Kirby is +7 in OPS

    Those are not “easily across the board”. They are almost exactly the same when you look at it.

    As for defense, Mattingly, according to UZR was a much better defensive player with a +32 UZR vs Puckett’s -15 UZR.

  103. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I did say borderline btw. I simply said you can make an argument for him based on his historical offensive rankings among C’s.

  104. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    I did say borderline btw. I simply said you can make an argument for him based on his historical offensive rankings among C’s.

  105. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    And I will say it again.

    Campaneris doesn’t rank top 10-15 either offensively (he was awful except for his speed) or defensively.

    Same thing with Bando and Foster.

    So the perspective I was trying to illuminate was that Posada, despite being a below average defensive C, was OUTSTANDING within the context of being a C.

    When you rank top 10 at your position in key offensive categories compared to all others over the last 100 years then that means something. 

    9th in hrs all-time10th in slugging9th in OBP7th in OPS 

    those are not bull crap stats like batting average and rbi’s. 

    EDIT: And again, I’m still not saying he absolutely should be in, but certainly I expect him to get serious consideration and if he falls short then I think he’ll come close a few years.

  106. YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

    And I will say it again.

    Campaneris doesn’t rank top 10-15 either offensively (he was awful except for his speed) or defensively.

    Same thing with Bando and Foster.

    So the perspective I was trying to illuminate was that Posada, despite being a below average defensive C, was OUTSTANDING within the context of being a C.

    When you rank top 10 at your position in key offensive categories compared to all others over the last 100 years then that means something. 

    9th in hrs all-time10th in slugging9th in OBP7th in OPS 

    those are not bull crap stats like batting average and rbi’s. 

    EDIT: And again, I’m still not saying he absolutely should be in, but certainly I expect him to get serious consideration and if he falls short then I think he’ll come close a few years.

  107. jjs91 3 years ago

    It beats making things up

  108. jjs91 3 years ago

     he so much more abats to accomplish all that in i would have to look closer at their careers which i cant do right now

  109. jjs91 3 years ago

    ya it was better than that, he basicallys said straw has the same numbers as posada and no one is waiting for his induction.

  110. Tko11 3 years ago

    Classy and right at that third grade humor level.

  111. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    Thank you. That means a lot coming from the biggest Yankee homer on this site.

  112. jjs91 3 years ago

    I argue with stats and facts you just say stuff like that the tigers have a better pen, and that the Boesch is better than Swisher, so i could see why you dislike my comments.  To say that posada isnt a borderline hofer shows us all how much you truly know

  113. jjs91 3 years ago

    You’re right i tend to ignore some counting stats as they are accumalated b/c a guy plays for so long but pudge was just so immpressive

  114. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    Please feel free to show me where I stated on this thread anything about the Tigers and comparing them to the Yankees. Try again.

    And they deleted my comment that had stats, but I’ll give you the jist of it. He had less than 300 homeruns, a career average of less than .275, much less than 2,000 hits, and was below average on defense. When you narrow it down to averages over the number of years they played, he is not all that better than Bengie Molina. If he played his career with the Royals, this wouldn’t even be a debate. It shouldn’t be the Hall of Very Good. He had a fantastic career, but he was not one of the games all time greats.

  115. jjs91 3 years ago

     Why would it have to be in this thread? these are statements you said in the past in doesnt matter in what thread you placed them. And now you are saying his career resembles molina and are using counting stats, so i guess i can now use a current example to show your trollish behavior. Bengie molina isnt even close to posada his ops is over 100 points less, his Woba is .066 points less and doesnt even have better counting stats.

    His obp is ,070 points higher than bengie’s with a lot more at bats. There is absolutly no connection between the two players and yes he would still be a borderline hofer if he was a royal.

    Perhaps you can find one post ofmine that showed any bias what so ever like i’ve already done with your history

  116. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    I said in the past that the Yankees are better than the Tigers. Yet you make it sound like I made the Tigers out to be the greatest team out there. If you think I am a troll, then you are very naive to what a troll is.

    I used stats, as did you. Mine got deleted because disqus got messed up and blocked me for a little while. It wiped out a couple comments with it.

    And I never said that Posada wasn’t a borderline HOF, I said that he is not a Hall of Famer. The idea can be thrown around, but if he ever actually gets in as a player, the HOF will lose a lot of creditibility.

    And it’s no secret that a fan will have a bias towards his team. You argued against me that Nakajima could be a star someday. If that’s not a bias, I don’t know what is. You’re not as perfect as you think.

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