Red Sox Intensifying Pursuit Of Roy Oswalt

8:16pm: Oswalt is not close to signing, reports Morosi (on Twitter). The Red Sox remain very much involved, he says.

6:53pm: With the Marco Scutaro trade providing $6MM of salary relief, the Red Sox have now intensified their pursuit of Roy Oswalt according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (all Twitter links). They are not the only team in on the right-hander, though the Tigers are only on the fringe of the sweepstakes. Morosi calls the situation "fluid."

Oswalt, 34, is reportedly looking for a one-year deal worth $8MM. Earlier this week we heard that Boston would have to move some money to be able to afford him, which is exactly what the Scutaro trade did. Oswalt pitched to a 3.69 ERA with 6.0 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 in 139 IP for the Phillies last season, missing time with back problems. Prior to that, the long-time Astro made at least 30 starts and threw at least 180 IP in seven straight seasons.


155 Responses to Red Sox Intensifying Pursuit Of Roy Oswalt Leave a Reply

  1. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    can he play shortstop

    • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

      I seem to remember him playing outfield in that 20+ inning game against the Mets or something. Maybe he can play right?

      • Hal Jordan 4 years ago

        He also played LF in an extra inning game against the Astros in 2010. 

      • MetsMagic 4 years ago

        That was Kyle Lohse, Oswalt was the LF when Wilson Valdez got the win against Houston.

    • He played an inning out in Left Field last year, so maybe.

    • NomarGarciaparra 4 years ago

      No but he can fill in for Crawford in left.

  2. MrBaseball29 4 years ago

    Have fun playing for third

    • Cory J. Settoon 4 years ago

      Not that your comment really deserves a response, but here is one.

      The best offense, best defense, and the 2nd/3rd best pitching rotation in the AL East doesn’t have the sound of third place(though nothing is predictable).

      Let’s see how the Yankees’ new rotation adjusts to the best league and best division.

      • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

        Honestly, while his comment is annoying, it IS going to be one heck of a division this year. Toronto’s still out of it, although they’re not easy to beat by any stretch of the imagination. Tampa has a terrifying rotation now with adding Matt Moore, and with the Yanks getting Pineda/Kuroda, the only major advantage we might have right now is in our lineup. And that currently has some of its own issues now as well. I’m not saying we’re bad, I’m very excited for this year. But this is going to be a tougher year than 2011 I think, and we all know how that ended. I think we’ve got enough to pull it out, but our team looks beatable against NY or Tampa right now.

        • dook83 4 years ago

          BoSoxSam,

          Thanks for the rationale and well-balanced assessment.  This season should be quite a horse race with at least three thoroughbreds running for the roses  Can’t wait…!

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          as a jays fan i disagree with this..

          Outside of the 1st/last month of last year, the sox were the best team in baseball.

          Their offense is probably the best in baseball.  and to add to that, the second year after a shoulder surgery is usually when a players power comes back, which means adrian gonzalez will be  even better.

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            “which means adrian gonzalez will be  even better”

            That is a scary thought for the league.. Every other aspect of his game was tremendous, with the sole exception of his power last year.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            well he did hit 45 doubles.. but only 27 HR’s..

            realistically when you take his old spray chart from san diego and apply it to fenway, you are looking at 40+ dingers..

            but shoulder surgery, especially in the first year can sap a bit of your power. The guy is a premier hitting talent and one of the best thinkers in the game, there’s no doubt in my mind he will be even better this year.. and yes thats scary.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            He acknowledged as much is August last year too, he basically said that his shoulder felt fatigued and that he would tell it was sapping some of his power.

      • diehardmets 4 years ago

        Is their defense better than the Rays? Not saying you’re wrong by metrics but just from looking at names I’d say the Rays are better.

        • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

          you’d be right. the rays follow that old fashioned pitching-and-defense-and-being-run-by-a-genius model

          • slider32 4 years ago

            The Sox look like 3rd place with or without Oswalt.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            that’s convincing

          • pedroiayouk 4 years ago

            the best offense in baseball and a rotation of Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Oswalt, and Bard = 3rd place?

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            “you’d be right. the rays follow that old fashioned pitching-and-defense-and-being-run-by-a-genius model”

            How Earl Weaver managed to win/be competitive with his Orioles teams for decades.. His teams for the most part couldn’t hit their way out of a wet paper bag, but they always had the best pitching and defense in the game.

      • dook83 4 years ago

        Oh ok, and I suppose that if the DeadSox signed Oswalt then he and your new closer Bailey wouldn’t have to make a adjustments coming to the best division in baseball?  Not to mention the adjustment Bard will have to make in his new role…?  Can’t say it can’t happen but I just love the hypocrisy…

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          Same adjustments Kuroda and Pineda would have to make.

          • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

            DeadSox

          • slider32 4 years ago

            Oswalt is another gamble for the Sox with back problems, I’m not even sure he wants to play in Boston.

          • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

            If he wants to reestablish his market value he probably shouldn’t. If he wants to win it’d be a good decision.

            Personally, if I was him, I’d go for the best winning opportunity because he’s going to have a hard time finding work in a market consisting of Hamels, Cain, Grenkie, etc.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

             He was healthy and pitching well when last year ended, so I don’t see that it’s a major concern unless they see something in his medicals/physical.

            And my point still stands, it is the same adjustments.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        Another collapse!

  3. NomarGarciaparra 4 years ago

    Please! Please! Please! Sign him NOW!

  4. chris_synan1 4 years ago

    gonna miss scutaro…but happy this frees up money to sign Oswalt

  5. EarlyMorningBoxscore 4 years ago

    Wow I did not see this coming…HA.

  6. Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

    From the start of the off-season, Kuroda/Oswalt topped my list. I really REALLY hope we get him. The Scutaro traded was outright terrible but it will be a net gain if we get Oswalt out of this.

    Lester/Beckett/Oswalt/Buchholz/Bard is great.

  7. Karkat 4 years ago

    If this signing DOESN’T happen, Ben Cherington will officially be a failure.

    • yeah his whole tenure and body of work has been horrendous. This would cap it off

      • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

        Yeah no. Considering his body of work involves helping Theo/Jed build a successful farm system, and making a trade with Jed that saved the 2007 season and gave us a WS title (Beckett/Lowell) I must strongly disagree with any assertion that he has anything but a strong track record. This is his first offseason and if he signs Oswalt he would have gotten one of the best FA bargains of the offseason and will be fielding a WS caliber team without giving up anything major and saving like 30M in tax money. Pretty good.  

        • The point is, he has barely had a tenure as a GM so he should not be judged completely based on if he does or does not sign Oswalt. The person above me wants to condemn Cherington if the Sox dont get him

          • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

            My bad thought you were serious.

          • lol if i was serious you easily provided evidence that he has had a good track record

          • Karkat 4 years ago

            I am an impatient Red Sox fan and right now Ben Cherington is one of my least favorite people. Don’t give me any of your “logic” 😛

        • bjsguess 4 years ago

          Unless the luxury tax changed dramatically in how it is calculated your $30m figure is pretty absurd. 

          In the past the tax was based off how much you were over and how many years you had been over. Once those two factors were decided you paid a certain percent on the amount you exceeded the luxury tax by. At at 40% tax rate (as an example) you would need to exceed the luxury tax threshold by about $70m in order to pay $30m in taxes. Keeping Scutaro and signing Oswalt wouldn’t come close to the scenario you suggested.

          • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

            Was just ball parking. As far as I know though the new rules increase fines for going over numerous years in a row or something. Either way if Oswalt is signed its still going to be at a great value, and we will have saved money from being conservative so while I grant you the numbers the idea is the same. Ben is doing a fine job.

          • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

            Was just ball parking. As far as I know though the new rules increase fines for going over numerous years in a row or something. Either way if Oswalt is signed its still going to be at a great value, and we will have saved money from being conservative so while I grant you the numbers the idea is the same. Ben is doing a fine job.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            The way it was explained in an article on overthemonster was that if the Red Sox go over the $178million limit they would have to pay 40% on each dollar they spend past the limit. The example given there is had they signed Edwin Jackson to a 4 year $12million per year deal they would end up paying $13.6million this year. If they go over the limit this year it would increase to 50% next year. 

          • bjsguess 4 years ago

            That was my understanding as well.

            Let’s just say that they are at $178m with Scutaro. If they add Oswalt they would be at $186 + have to pay $3m in the tax. Net payroll is $189.

            Since they have traded Scutaro they saved $6m.  That drops them to $172m. Add in Oswalt’s $8m and they sit at $180m + $1m in luxury taxes.

            The net difference between the two scenarios is $8m. The net difference in wins is more than that. Scutaro is a 3 WAR player. Aviles and Punto might get you a win between them. 

            All in all, for a club like the Red Sox this set of moves can comfortably be classified in the category of a penny wise but a pound foolish.

          • Karkat 4 years ago

            I want to know when the Red Sox started being a team that worries about money. Not like they’ve done anything but raise ticket/merch prices.

    • Hahahaha! I could only imagine how you would feel about Duquette if you were an Orioles fan. If Cherrington is to be a failure for not coming thru on Oswalt, what would you say to Cherington if he signed a Newark Bear. I would be more concerned about that Shortstop platoon that is laughable for an alleged Championship Team.

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        If he’s been a Red Sox fan long enough he knows all about Duquette.

        • Karkat 4 years ago

          I was about to say, I am well aware that Duquette is a horrible GM. I was around for the Jimy Williams/Joe Kerrigan debacle.

      • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

        Rather have a couple offense holes and a top 3 offense then the offenses of the rest of the league. Whats laughable is that we lose our SS and its still not gonna stop us from scoring tons and tons of runs. 

      • bosox21 4 years ago

        Sox won a WS with Julio freakin Lugo as their starting SS in 2007

        • pedroiayouk 4 years ago

          And the Cardinals just won the World Series with Nick Punto!!!

    • PWNdroia 4 years ago

      Lugo didn’t happen.
      Lackey didn’t happen.
      JD Drew didn’t happen.

      Does that make Theo Epstein a failure?

      • Karkat 4 years ago

        Theo is so overrated. After 2004, his only good move was the Gonzalez trade, which mostly was due to his connections with Jed Hoyer anyway.  (Before anyone brings up the Beckett deal, let’s remember that that was NOT a Theo trade).

        In between there, we got:

        A failure to re-sign Orlando Cabrera, Edgar Renteria instead, the trade of Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena, JD Drew, Julio Lugo, John Lackey, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Eric Gagne (for whom we gave up David Murphy), Mike Cameron, and Carl Crawford.

        The man did a good job luring Curt Schilling to Boston and took a good flyer on David Ortiz back in the day, but his legacy is full of bad trades and terrible contacts, many of which are keeping the Sox from making the moves we need to make right now.

        • PWNdroia 4 years ago

          Could not have said it better myself.  I agree with you.  I know my last comment didn’t seem that way, but I really do agree with what you said.  Though I wouldn’t go out and cal;l him a failure, because whether he deserves the recognition for our championships or not, he was still the GM then and he made himself look successful even though his deals were mediocre.

  8. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    Aviles offers very similar upside offensively to Scutaro hitting in our lineup. Defensivley I don’t think he can be that much worse, probably has a bit more range. If he can show a little discipline he could be better than Scutaro, considering he has a bit more power and speed. As long as we get Oswalt I am not worried at all about Scutaro leaving. Lets bring this home Ben.

    • bjsguess 4 years ago

      You should check the numbers. Aviles and Scutaro are nowhere close offensively. This is a 2 win loss by moving Scutaro.

      • Leonard Washington 4 years ago

        I said upside. One full season in our lineup might turn that into numbers when he got to the team last year he hit well.

      • Tko11 4 years ago

        Scutaro was a 1.4 War player last year, Oswalt was a 1.7 and Aviles a .3. So if they sign Oswalt based on last year’s WAR they are adding .6 War. I would assume Aviles will get a bit higher WAR than .3 this year since he will get more at bats. 

        • jjs91 4 years ago

          Of course thats assumin aceves would of had a war of zero.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Whys that?

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            Because Aceves would possibly be the starter that Oswalt would be replacing. 

            You can’t really compare 1 player’s (Scutaro) WAR with 2 player’s (Oswalt + Aviles) WAR.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Aceves started 4 games last season…Why not? Aviles is the replacement of Scutaro but the trading away of Scutaro allows them to sign Oswalt. If they dont trade Scutaro they dont get Oswalt…Therefore Oswalt plus Aviles is a better situation for the Red Sox than just leaving Scutaro at short and not signing Oswalt. 

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            It may or may not be true that the Sox would be better off with Aviles at SS and Oswalt pitching every 5 days. What I am saying is that you can’t say that just by saying Scutaro = Oswalt + Aviles. If the Red Sox don’t have Oswalt to pitch, they are going to still send someone out to pitch. That might be Aceves, it might be a guy like Garcia/Colon that is cheap and produces way better than expected. Whoever the fifth starter is, you still need to add their WAR to Scutaro’s to get a fair comparison.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Their fifth starter last year was Wakefield. His WAR was .8. Obviously their fifth wont be Wakefield this year. But Wake + Scutaro is inferior to Oswalt + Aviles (at least in my opinion). For the upcoming season Bard is listed as the 5th starter but thats all up in the air. If they sign Oswalt or Jackson, Bard will most likely be back in the pen and Dice-K will bet the starter. Dice-k + Scutaro is still inferior to Oswalt + Aviles in my opinion. 

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            Right their is in fact a number 4 starter that would no longer start when oswalt oswalt comes so u have to factor that players war as well.

        • slider32 4 years ago

          What is Cherrington doing! Aviles is not considered a major league shortstop!

        • bjsguess 4 years ago

          I’m not sure where you are pulling your stats. Last 4 years:

          2008 – 2.9 WAR
          2009 – 4.5 WAR
          2010 – 2.4 WAR
          2011 – 2.9 WAR

          You will not replace that with Punto and Aviles. Oswalt certainly could tip the scale positively but he has to be healthy and has to be signed first. 

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Second time I got this today. I took the stats from Baseball Reference rather than Fangraphs. Why does everyone use Fangraphs?

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Likely because they prefer the way their statistics are calculated to the way BR calculates theirs.

      • Will Grandi 4 years ago

        What numbers are you referring to? Scutaro has a .727 OPS vs Aviles .737… and a 93 OPS+ vs. 98, and both have exactly 2 seasons above 100 OPS+.
        Neither are ideal options IMO, but if anything you should be complaining about the return for Scutaro opposed to his replacement.

        • bjsguess 4 years ago

          I’m thrilled that the Red Sox made this move. It weakens them at SS and increases their payroll slightly (assuming that they do sign Oswalt). 

          Looking at career numbers is very misleading in this case. Aviles had one GREAT year – in 2008. You take that one year out and you end up with a very mediocre line:

          270/301/388 over 884 PA’s that span 3 seasons.

          Compare that to Scutaro where his 2009 – 2011 seasons resulted in:

          284/356/404 over 1820 PA’s.

          Scutaro posted an OPS+ of 102 while Aviles was at 87. That’s a pretty big swing in performance. Scutaro was a slightly better than league average hitter while Aviles was a significantly worse than league average hitter.

          • pedroiayouk 4 years ago

            You can’t just take out his one great year, he’s only been in the big leagues for 3 years…Aviles is a career .288 hitter.  Talk about cherry picking stats…You’re pretty much taking out Aviles’ best year and only including Scutaro’s best years.

      • pedroiayouk 4 years ago

        Aviles has 3 full seasons in the big leagues and hit .325, .304, .255. 

        Aviles is a career .288 hitter and Scutaro: .270

  9. Makes too much sense for it not to happen.  Why wouldn’t one of the high payroll teams in need of pitching sign him?

  10. Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

    I am overjoyed to hear, as a White Sox fan, that they are after Oswalt instead of a trade for Floyd.  We South Siders REALLY need Gavin to stay put.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

       As a Red Sox fan I feel the same way.

      • Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

        Both fans opposing a trade means Kenny Williams will intensify talks.

      • Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

        Both fans opposing a trade means Kenny Williams will intensify talks.

    • Tko11 4 years ago

      You sure youre a White Sox fan? 

      • Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

        Of course!  Floyd has averaged 4.1 WAR the last three years, and is still signed relatively economically.  I understand Boston a) wanting a pitcher who is even better, especially for the short term, and b) not wanting to give up talent in a trade.  So, no dissing intended, but I am glad to keep my guy.

        • Tko11 4 years ago

          I got an average WAR of 3.2 for Floyd the past three years. The point is that the White Sox are in a transition phase. Floyd is 28 and would net them some good pieces that would help the Sox in a few years. 

          • Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

            Fangraphs has 4.5, 4.3, and 3.6 for the last three years.  In what universe can the avg. be less than the lowest?  But though Floyd could get your a few pieces if traded, what about being at least competative, and not throwing the whole season down the crapper?  We already project Humber, Sale, and a rookie in the rotation, none who figures to exceed 175 innings.  (Nor Peavy, for that matter.)  If you trade Floyd, you have to go sign another innings eater, so what would be the point?

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Id say their season is right on the edge of slipping into the crapper anyway. But I guess Kenny Williams can keep Floyd until midseason and then act surprised that his team is ten games under .500 and shop him around then.  Look up^ I said I used baseball reference and not Fangraphs which is how we have different numbers. 

          • Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

            4.5, 4.3, and 3.6 the last three years according to Fangraphs.  In no known universe could that average 3.2. And, like you said, Floyd is 28. He himself should still be “helpful” in a few years. Plus, you need his innings now, with the other inexperienced and/or injury prone starters in the rotation.

          • Tko11 4 years ago

            Well I didnt use Fangraphs so that is why. I used baseball reference. I just think trading him would benefit the White Sox way more than keeping him in the long run.

      • Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

        Of course!  Floyd has averaged 4.1 WAR the last three years, and is still signed relatively economically.  I understand Boston a) wanting a pitcher who is even better, especially for the short term, and b) not wanting to give up talent in a trade.  So, no dissing intended, but I am glad to keep my guy.

    • Tko11 4 years ago

      You sure youre a White Sox fan? 

    • 2001morecowbell2001 4 years ago

      I laughed when I read this.

  11. UltimateYankeeFan 4 years ago

    The Red Sox dump $6MM in salary in Scutaro and get who? Clayton Mortensen another relief pitcher with an occasional start. What are the Red Sox trying to do corner the market on relief/reclamation pitchers that no one wants? So they free up $6MM and trade their starting SS to potentially go after Oswalt who is looking for a 1 year $8MM deal or possibly Jackson who will command at least 4 years and $12MM per or Gavin Floyd via a trade with the White Sox for prospects and the 2 years and $16.5MM remaining due him.Doesn’t seem like the most logical way to get under or nearer the $178MM luxury tax threshold for 2012. In fact if they go through with any of those trades/signings it puts them further past the luxury tax threshold in 2012. And they lost/gave away their starting SS.  So much for their confidence that Bard and Aceves could handle the starting job at the back of the rotation.
    I asked yesterday when the subject of this trade came up. Who was steering the SS Minnow (AKA: SS Red Sox)? I guess we have our answer.

  12. Snoochies8 4 years ago

    come on a’s, jump on this, $10-12 million if the red sox only offer $8 million

  13. MNTwins12 4 years ago

    Sign with Minnesota Roy! Our staff needs a true leader with some past success. If the Twins don’t go after Oswalt, I really hope they can pursuade Edwin Jackson to join our velocity-lacking rotation.

  14. ARod's Ring 4 years ago

    Glad to see Scutaro gone. He had a nasty habit of being the right guy at the
    right time for the Sox.

    • 2001morecowbell2001 4 years ago

      seriously. tons of clutch hits against the yanks and in other huge situations. Was one of the only positives in that historic epic September collapse. 

  15. SixAces 4 years ago

    Get it done and cross your fingers that his back doesn’t act up.

  16. Great fit. Hope it happens

  17. LOL, I am a Phillies fan, but the absurdity of the Paplebon signing just keeps coming back to the front burner for me.
    Instead of $50 million for Paps, the Phillies theoretically could have had Ryan Madson, Aramis Rameirez, and Roy Oswalt, for about the same amount of money and years, of course, that is if Amaro didn’t act like a 18 year old at his first strip club.

    • pedroiayouk 4 years ago

      This is why I like Ben Cherington so far.  He is just waiting for all the dumb GMs to overspend on everyone.  Then he is gonna sign the rest of the players for cents.

  18. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    Even if somehow the Sox don’t end up signing Oswalt, they would have only done the Scutaro trade (I’m hoping) if they had a tentative agreement for SOME starter..maybe Hamels?

    • James Attwood 4 years ago

      The whole process feels a bit backwards to me. I really thought that they would have made sure to sign Oswalt (or some mystery other) before unloading Scutaro. Now they are committed to bringing in someone now instead of being able to “wait it out and see” or even wait until the season gets underway and working a trade near the deadline if they could just stay in the hunt with what they have.

      Seems to me that whoever they sign has way more leverage now.

    • jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

      Hamels is not a free agent.

      • BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

        Meant to say a tentative agreement with a player OR with a team for a trade.

  19. This could work out for the Red Sox—IF he is healthy. That PawSox rotation down the stretch had to be pretty scary.

  20. chisoxindian 4 years ago

    White Sox trade Gavin Floyd and SS Eduardo Escobar to rsox for Brentz and Britton,then kenny signs Cespedes

  21. 123Redsox 4 years ago

    They better sign Oswalt and get a decent shortstop with low salary. Or do the sox plan on having Jose Iglesias step up and make the team as their starting shortstop?

  22. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    Zito might have something to say about that.

  23. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Seriously?

    VERNON WELLS.

    Recap – Angels absorb $80m AND give away Napoli.

    You can’t even begin to compare this bone headed move by the Red Sox to the complete and utter disaster that was Tony Reagins crowning achievement.

  24. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    What does Zito have to do with a trade?

  25. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    or John Lackey and Julio Lugo who were supposedly deals made by the best GM in baseball

  26. He’s saying the Zito deal was worst of all time…

  27. EarlyMorningBoxscore 4 years ago

    I’m pretty sure he is implying the Zito signing is a worse “deal” than trading Scutaro. As the original poster didn’t say worst trade he said worst deal. 

  28. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    In all fairness his wording was “deal” which can apply to both.

  29. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    The term “deal” applies to both FA and trades.

  30. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    And even still if that is his meaning my bad you gotta be specific when your bashing. Its a cold world out there. Wells trade to Angels boom.

  31. why? Am I the only one with extremely low expectations for the Twins next year?

  32. No, they might finish 3rd this year only because of the weak division they’re in. They won’t complete for a playoff spot by any means though.

  33. MaineSox 4 years ago

    His name suggests he’s a Yankee fan, so I’m assuming he just doesn’t want Oswalt on the Red Sox.

  34. Right so why sign Oswalt?

  35. Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

    If only one of Mauer and Morneau bounces back this year, Twits are still a last place team.

  36. stl_cards16 4 years ago

    ahhhh I see , still a free agent signing and a trade aren’t really comparable.  Obviously there are a ton of free agent signings that are much more regrettable than this trade.

  37. Get healthy, magically solve pitching depth, etc. 

  38. Actually, the White Sox just dug themselves into last place. Especially if Adam Done fails to recover.

    They might be the only team in the Central worse off than the Twins.

  39. Why, do you predict the Royals and White Sox to finish 1 and 2?

  40. Antonio Nicarelli 4 years ago

    That’s how I feel about the WSox, assuming we do no further “rebuilding.”  At this point, nobody in the Central is a good bet to win more than 85 games.  Even the Royals have as good a chance as anyone.  Dunn cannot possibly blow as badly as last year.

  41. Let me guess, you are the troll formerly known as MauerIsSoft, right?

  42. Depth they have. The problem is all that depth is at best back of the rotation depth.

    The only potential front end starter they had was Kyle Gibson, and now no one knows how he will return from TJ Surgery.

  43. Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

    I will laugh at you at the end of next season.

  44. Ricky 4 years ago

    Probably because Ortiz put up a monster year last year. You sound mature by the way.

  45. James Attwood 4 years ago

    Because they offered arbitration and Ortiz accepted. Ortiz is going to get overpaid, but there’s nothing to be done about that and all things considered, if he can continue to mash, his presence in the middle of that line-up might just be worth the money if they win the division based on their offense, which, if they are unable to address their pitching questions, they may jsut have to do.

  46. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    The Ortiz steroid jokes are old considering how it was just a single year and every other year he’s come clean.

  47. Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

    If you had a choice between getting $5 and getting $10, what would you choose?

    Red Sox basically chose $5. They traded a decent SS/2B for a pitcher whose BB/9 is almost as greater than his K/9. They could’ve traded Scutaro for something better than him while still getting the salary relief. 

  48. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    you are pretending it was impossible to afford oswalt without giving away scutaro, but it wasn’t

    in order to keep profits where they wanted them, they gave away a quality everyday shortstop for nothing. without a guarantee that oswalt will sign

    bad baseball, bad business

  49. Blue_Bomb 4 years ago

    If signing Oswalt is getting $20, then they selected getting $20 instead of $25. The $5 is difference is what they could’ve gotten for Scutaro, who is an above average player at scarce positions.

    Edit: Also, “getting the deal done quickly” is not worth $5.

  50. thats slider logic for you

  51. AlKelz 4 years ago

    No , the Orioles have 5th place signed , sealed and delievered . Sox fans have nothing to fear.

  52. JacobyWanKenobi 4 years ago

    I’ve tried to deduce which team he backs, but there is no clear choice. All he posts are hate comments towards EVERYBODY.

  53. Rangersfan32 4 years ago

    Go work on your BB problems!

  54. flickadave 4 years ago

    I think he is a Pirates fan. I know if I was a Pirates fan, I would hate everything in the world.

  55. flickadave 4 years ago

    Maybe we can lure Orlando Cabrera out of retirement. 

  56. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    if this was the jays that did this, the forums would be stocked with AA pajama wearers asking which high end shortstop was on his way to toronto..

    the other shoe must drop!

  57. pedroiayouk 4 years ago

    ever heard of a budget?  It’s what good businesses use to make money.

  58. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

     scutaro killed the jays too. always liked him

  59. notsureifsrs 4 years ago

    edifying

  60. roomwithamoose 4 years ago

    why? even if you assume they are going to be third place in the East there’d still be good chance they’d still have 3rd best record in the AL setting them up for that wildcard showdown so even then they’d still be competing…that being said I think their season isn’t over as you can’t count out any one of the Yankees, Rays or Red Sox each season since the one you count out either finds a way to win or make it more interesting than you ever thought they could manage so lets wait for the season to start and end before we say any of those teams are out of it

  61. johnsilver 4 years ago

    To be fair a little to Reagins here…

    Wasn’t Sciosa a little responsible for that disaster also?? preferring always to play mathis because he was better defensively and trying to at least get something of value since Sciosa wouldn’t play him enough?

    Sciosa should bare some of that blame also for refusing to play him enough and sticking with the catcher who flat out can’t hit.

  62. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    I don’t know.  Even when the Twins make the playoffs, they find a way to lose.  They don’t have the pitching to compete.  Mauer and Morneau can’t bring the team anywhere if there’s no pitching.

  63. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    Well you’d have to assume one of those WC spots is up for grabs for Angels/Texas, so there is some concern there.

  64. MaineSox 4 years ago

    He showed you!

  65. Iconoclast17 4 years ago

    I want some of what you’re smoking

  66. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    Those deals were still not as bad as Lackey, A-Rod, Wells, Schmidt ect. so I fail to see your point. Every Gm with money whos been around long enough has made a bad deal but those are all far worse than any we have made.

  67. PWNdroia 4 years ago

    You’re confusing me.  By the way, I was only being sarcastic.

  68. Leonard Washington 4 years ago

    Not again!

  69. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    Don’t forget about Aceves, Silva and Padilla too..

  70. roomwithamoose 4 years ago

    I’m a Yankees fan too, nd I hate the Sox, but I’m not irrational, respect the talent and reality that none of the teams can take winning the East as a given

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