Asking Price Drops For Oswalt, Kuroda, Jackson

The asking prices for top free agent starters have dropped significantly, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney tweets. Roy Oswalt is said to be asking for $8MM, Hiroki Kuroda’s asking for $10-11MM and Edwin Jackson’s asking price has also dropped.

Oswalt and Kuroda seek one-year deals, while Jackson’s agent, Scott Boras, seeks a five-year deal. Each of the three starters is one of the top five players remaining on MLBTR’s list of Top 50 Free Agents. Last week MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes explained which teams could be looking for starting pitching.

An $8MM investment Oswalt seems more than reasonable for a team in need of pitching help. Though the 34-year-old struggled with back issues in 2011, he finished the season with six strong September starts and a season ERA of 3.69 with 6.0 K/9 and 2.0 BB/9. Similarly, a one-year deal in the $10-11MM range for Kuroda seems team-friendly. The right-hander posted a 3.07 ERA in 202 innings with 7.2 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9. Kuroda's less than a month away from his 37th birthday, but a one-year deal would protect teams' long-term interests.


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107 Comments on "Asking Price Drops For Oswalt, Kuroda, Jackson"


GriffeyandSizemore
3 years 7 months ago

I want the Yankees to jump on Oswalt or Kuroda at that price i wouldn’t even mind signing both for a year.

Bored
3 years 7 months ago

Oswalt is the man

Rob Tedesco
3 years 7 months ago

Brian, please: Sign Oswalt before Steinbrenner forces us to agonize over E.J. for the next 4 years.

Since_77
3 years 7 months ago

Oswalt for 8 mil per year is a steal. Brian Ca$hman should be all over this one.

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

The Red Sox should beat the Yanks to him for $8m. C’mon Ben, pull the trigger

Aaron Egnor
3 years 7 months ago

That pretty much guarantees Jurrjens opening camp with ATL and not being traded.  They’d be lucky to get Brooks Conrad back for him at this point.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

…or a 77 Volkwagen Beattle, in yellow!

3 years 7 months ago

he should be after at least 2 of them

Karkat
3 years 7 months ago

Ben Cherington go give Oswalt 8 million dollars RIGHT NOW

3 years 7 months ago

maybe now the orioles will go after jackson

Encarnacion's Parrot
3 years 7 months ago

And still finish in 5th place? I doubt it.

3 years 7 months ago

The disparity in value between young arb-eligible pitchers and older veterans is crazy.

Teams are willing to give up numerous very highly regarded prospects for pitchers like Latos and Gonzalez, but aren’t willing to sign equally talented pitchers like Oswalt, Kuroda and Jackson. It’s a bit odd.

I think the new market imbalance might be the overvaluation of youth pitchers at the expense of veterans. Hopefully some astute GM comes along and recognizes it. A rotation of Oswalt, Kuroda and Jackson would be pretty great, and cost less than $30mil annually.

Crucisnh
3 years 7 months ago

Will, I think that one of the issues for certain teams (i.e. Red Sox and Yanks) probably is that if they’re over the luxury tax cap, they may have to pay something like 30, 40, or even 50% more than what they pay the player as a penalty.  Now, that may not be all that much of an issue for the Yanks, but it does seem to be for the Sox, because the last few years they’ve tried to stay below the lux tax cap on opening day.  So I don’t see them wanting to spend (for example) $10M on Kuroda and another $3-5M in lux tax penalty.

3 years 7 months ago

The luxury tax limit was $178mil in 2011, and it will stay the same in 2012. The Red Sox 2011 payroll was $163mil, putting them $15mil under. They haven’t added any high cost players this offseason, and have shed some larger contracts (about $33mil between Drew, Papelbon and Cameron). They’re set to be well below the luxury tax limit this year.

The Yankees, though, are another story.

2001morecowbell2001
3 years 7 months ago

Which is true, but Agons monster contract was not counted towards the 2011 but will be this season, thus eating a huge chunk of that disparity already. Plus you re-sign David Ortiz at whatever he will be commanding and they are already back where they were last year but with a few more holes in the rotation.

flickadave
3 years 7 months ago

The JD Drew money covers most of AGon’s pay. Lackey’s and DiceK’s deals are what are killing us cap wise. Well, that and the Crawford contract that Theo signed before heading out of town…

Crucisnh
3 years 7 months ago

Will, I’m not so sure. The Sox have to absorb a number of built in raises in existing contracts, as well as whatever arbitration raises might occur with younger players. Also, since they agreed to arbitration with Ortiz, he’s quite likely to get around $14M for next year with will eat up a big chunk of the free space under the cap. All indications are that it may be very difficult for the Sox to add a player with a significant contract, if they intend to stay under the cap.

Aaron Egnor
3 years 7 months ago

To say that Jackson, Oswalt, and Kuroda are “equally talented” is a bit of a stretch.  Unless you’re Jackson’s agent, that is.

3 years 7 months ago

AL is a much harder league to pitch in than the weak NL so they might be as talemted we have not seen that yet. Had Kuroda started in the AL folks might be telling him to retire at this point

3 years 7 months ago

2010-2011 WAR Total
Gio Gonzalez: 6.7 WAR
Mat Latos: 7.2
Roy Oswalt: 7.2
Edwin Jackson: 7.6
Hiroki Kuroda: 6.5

That looks pretty equal to me!

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

WAR is far from the end of the story when you are evaluating players, and a good chunk of Jackson’s value comes from his ability to stay on the field, rather than his actual pitching talent.

RedCaps
3 years 7 months ago

Oswalt, Kuroda, and Jackson aren’t as talented as Latos. Anyway, the reason young pitchers are valued more is mainly because they’re cheaper and have team controlled years left and/or a team-friendly contract.

3 years 7 months ago

Gio Gonzalez, for example, is slated to make $4.2mil in arbitration this year. That number will rise each of the following 3 seasons. In the end it will probably average annually to not much less than what Oswalt or Kuroda is asking for.

If a pitcher is good, they’re going to make a lot of money in arbitration (see Lincecum making around $20mil in arbitration).

As it stands, Oswalt, Kuroda and Jackson are good for 3+ WAR. That should be worth about $12-15mil on the market (1 WAR=$4-5mil), but there’s a clear undervaluation of them. It would make a lot of sense to sign these guys on the cheap.

RedCaps
3 years 7 months ago

Even so, Gio is still under team control. That’s worth a lot to a team. And while arbitration can get expensive, for at least the next two years, Gio most likely will be cheaper annually than those pitchers. Plus, he’s still in/entering his prime, while the others, except for Jackson, are at the back end on their careers. That’s worth a lot to a team.

That’s not to say that Oswalt, Kuroda, and Jackson aren’t worth what they’re asking or that they’re not good; they are. But there’s more appeal to young players under team control longer, and rightfully so. Gio and Latos are pieces that can help you contend now and in the future, while Oswalt and Kuroda are just pieces for now. I think it’s easy to see why teams desire young pitchers more than older ones, especially small/mid market teams. It just makes more sense.

3 years 7 months ago

That can’t be right. Oswalt is too good with too much upside (on a 1 year deal) to sign for that little.  The only thing I can think of that would explain that price is if he is only wanting to play in 2-3 places. 

3 years 7 months ago

Buster Olney is a crack head. don’t trust him

YankeeNinja
3 years 7 months ago

Yanks FTW on Kuroda.

feathers
3 years 7 months ago

Bargain Bin Baseball at it’s finest. Buy now and get this shiny keychain for free!

gradylittle
3 years 7 months ago

While it’s easy to get excited about Oswalt only asking for 8 mil, it’s Buster Onley reporting this, so it might not even be true. 

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 7 months ago

They’re all rumors, pal. Says so right in the name of the site.

gradylittle
3 years 7 months ago

Yes, but I’m sure you’ve been around this site long enough or even watched one episode of Baseball Tonight to realize that Onley’s reports are always far fetched and usually far from the truth. But thanks for reminding me I was on a baseball rumors site, I forgot for a second. Glad to have you around, you’re a real godsend. 

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 7 months ago

So I am told. But hang on every tweet not from Buster Olney, if that floats your boat. Most of them are just as far-fetched and wrong too — but at least they aren’t from Buster Olney.

kcgregory
3 years 7 months ago

Kuroda and Oswalt are a fit for literally every team in baseball at those prices.  I think the Royals should pursue either one and even Jackson if he comes down to a three year deal.

CAD_Monkey
3 years 7 months ago

Apparently not the Dodgers ;_;

Colin Christopher
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed. Roy Oswalt on a one-year deal in KC could be HUGE for that team. Veteran presence, good mentor for the younger arms like Duffy and Montgomery, quality starts with a good young offense behind him…he could seriously be the difference between another season of growing pains and finishing above .500.

kcgregory
3 years 7 months ago

Agree, though based on Moore’s other moves, if he brings in Oswalt then Duffy and Montgomery will be in AAA to start the season.  The Chen deal in particular makes another rotation addition difficult.  I still think they should do it.

Colin Christopher
3 years 7 months ago

I agree that another rotation addition makes it difficult to keep the current probable starting 5 – Hochevar, Sanchez, Chen, Paulino, Duffy – at the MLB level, I don’t think it’s Duffy who should be removed. Hochevar has had years to live up to his potential, and all he’s proven is that he’s really good ONCE through an opponent’s lineup. It’s time for him to become the long man/spot starter…or to concentrate on throwing 1-2 pitches REALLY well (instead of 5 pitches only mediocrely) and become a devastating 1-inning reliever.

101andCounting
3 years 7 months ago

Agreed – bringing in Oswalt makes that rotation look much more imposing, especially when you consider the extra depth at SP you’ll have with Montgomery/Duffy at AAA. It also gives you a valuable trade chip if the Royals are out of it by mid-July.

3 years 7 months ago

Cashman, Oswalt, $8 Mill, GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

3 years 7 months ago

Rangers need more starting pitchers. i think Oswalt will be a Ranger.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

One wild card should come out of the west this year, that leaves one of the Yanks, Sox, or Rays out.

0bsessions
3 years 7 months ago

The closer we get to spring training, the less likely it looks that the Wild Card will go through this year.

Most teams have basically finalized their big plans for the offseason, so I don’t see most teams agreeing to add in that extra spot when nobody will have time to plan for a better run when the field opens up like that.

I’d say if Fielder signs and we still haven’t heard one way or the other on the second WC, it’s pretty much a no go until 2013.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

In that case, two are out in the east this year, the Rangers and Angels are going to rip up the west, and next year when they add the Astros their both a lock.

JesseeA
3 years 7 months ago

I can’t imagine Oswalt still being available at that price for one year.

Then again, I’m surprised Madson signed at one year for the price he did.

JohnKruksWaistline
3 years 7 months ago

Dear Ruben,

Bring back Little Roy for one more go.

Sincerely,
JKWL

3 years 7 months ago

This. At that price, there is essentially no reason whatsoever to leave Oswalt out there. Worley/Blanton behind the big three is nothing compared to Oswalt/Worley with Blanton/Kendrick as the long guys. I hope Rube goes for it.

bigpat
3 years 7 months ago

The Yanks should be all over Kuroda, one year commitment then they can jump back in the market next year when there’s more quality arms who will potentially be FA’s. He’d easily be their second best starter. It’s just a matter of whether he’s ready for the big stage in NY, he’s been nothing but consistent so far, hopefully he’ll realize how much he can help out a contender.

3 years 7 months ago

It would be interesting to see Jackson and maybe Oswalt on the Yanks, but Jackson with a contract no loger than 2 seasons (with vesting option at worst case scenario).

Yankeeboy11
3 years 7 months ago

8mill? for a year? COME ON YANKS get Oswalt -.-