Molina Extension Talks On Hold, Won’t Give Discount

3:30pm: Rains' full article on the situation is posted at FOXSportsMidwest.com. While there doesn't seem to be a deadline on talks, Molina did say that like most players, he prefers to focus on the game during the season rather than his contract. He also shot down the idea of offering St. Louis a hometown discount:

"I don't know about that,” Molina said. "Like I always say, I like the town and I like the city, but at the same time, I have to think about my family. You have to worry about your family like they worry about the team. This is business. If I get good money, I'll take it. If not, I'll go away.”

2:37pm: Yadier Molina spoke very candidly about his contract situation today, according to B.J. Rains of FOX Sports Midwest, who reports that he and the Cardinals have put extension talks on hold for the time being. Rains notes that Molina said he's still willing to re-open negotiations (Twitter links).

The Cards picked up Molina's $7MM option shortly after their World Series victory, ensuring that the youngest Molina brother would be in St. Louis for at least one more season. MLBTR's Mark Polishuk recently identified Yadi as an extension candidate, concluding that he could fetch a four- or five-year deal with an average annual value in excess of $10MM on the open market.

A fourth round draft pick of St. Louis back in 2000, the Puerto Rico native has spent his entire career with the Cardinals. Molina signed a four-year deal worth $15.5MM prior to the 2008 season. That value has escalated to a total of $22.85MM over five years after his option was exercised and he picked up $350K in bonuses for his four Gold Gloves and three All-Star selections.

The 29-year-old enjoyed a career year last season when he hit .305/.349/.465 (career highs in average and slugging) and also added career highs in homers (14), doubles (32), and RBI (65).

Thanks to Cot's Baseball Contracts for details on Molina's contract bonuses.


102 Responses to Molina Extension Talks On Hold, Won’t Give Discount Leave a Reply

  1. Devon Henry 3 years ago

    His stock is as high as it ever will be. If i was him i would get a deal done.

  2. thebigbangdito 3 years ago

    I really think he should sign with cards… coming from an angel fan, which we would probably be one of the top teams going for him next year..and i wouldnt mind having him… but i still think he should stay with cards.. its just a good fit.

    • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

      Scoscia would just find a way to bring back Mathis and have him play in front of Molina…

  3. Originally he said he wasn’t going to close off talks. Sounds to me he’s as good as gone.

  4. David McCutcheon 3 years ago

    I can see him fetching $70m from the Yanks on the market at 5 years. It will be interesting to see how the Cards handle this, as Yadi will presumably walk away. Cards fans tolerated Albert due to the large contract, but it will be interesting to see how many talented guys they can watch the organization lose before becoming uncomfortable, given the question marks in Lance Berkman following 2012 and possible complications to Waino’s TJS. It will certainly be an interesting 2012, unlike ’07.

    • Jason Richards 3 years ago

      Theres no way molina gets 70 million…………..

      • Not even close….

      • Stuart Brown 3 years ago

        No? That’s just $14MM per year. He’s definitely worth between $12-15MM per year. Possibly more depending on the teams involved.

        • Nowhere close…. you would have to be crazy to pay a catcher with limited to no power that kind of money.

  5. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Matt Holliday deal bites St. Louis again. 1st it probably affected how far they were willing to go for Pujols and now may for one of the best defensive catchers in the game, as I see him getting 4/40-45m and mid market cardinals not being able to pony it up, even with a couple of bad contracts leaving. They have other holes to fill also.

    some teams can absorb a 7/120m contract and get away with it for a player like Holliday, but sorry cardinals fans.. holliday is a complimentary player outside of Coors field and not someone you build a team around.

    • astrostl 3 years ago

      Holliday is the #1 MLB LF and #9 MLB position player per fWAR over the past 3 calendar years.  The Cardinals only have 68MM committed in 2012, 24MM in 2013.  Holliday is a top-tier baseball player, and his contract should not rate to limit an extension for Molina – if they want it.

      • Holliday is the #1 MLB LF… I think WAR needs to be recalibrated as well. The other day a scouts radar gun clocked Kazmir at 91 and now WAR says Holiday is the #1 Lf’er in all of baseball. Talk about a weak field then if that is truly the case. Don’t get me wrong, when healthy he is one of the best hitters in all of baseball. His defense however leaves much to be desired. How about Alex Gordon from the Royals  maybe he’ll be #1 in 2012.

        • astrostl 3 years ago

          #2 and #3 are Braun and Crawford.  If you look at (park and league-adjusted) offense alone, he’s #2 behind Braun.  fWAR uses UZR for defense, and rates him at about +4 runs above average per season for the last 3.  If you look at Aggregate Defensive Ratings (weighted average of UZR, DRS, TZL, and FSR), he’s still right around +4/YR.  No advanced metric indicates that his defense leaves much to be desired.

          • jeffmaz 3 years ago

            at this point…you have to leave Braun out of all stat comparisons 

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            Why? He’s not guilty of anything yet…

          • jeffmaz 3 years ago

            nobody has ever beaten a positive test…nobody
            so yes, he is guilty

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            Nobody publicly. We shouldn’t even know Braun failed a test.

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            Nobody publicly. We shouldn’t even know Braun failed a test.

        • Wainwrights_Curveball 3 years ago

          @Lefty Matt Holliday is one of the best defensive LFers in baseball according to UZR. I have no idea how you think otherwise…unless you think that dropped catch back in the 2009 NLDS is somehow indicative of how he always plays defense…

      • johnsilver 3 years ago

        Didn’t say he wasn’t a good ball player at all. I just see the cardinals struggling to find who will go into the rotation after lohse/westbrook/Carpenter are finally gone, then covering a few other holes with 18m still committed to Holliday per season until 2016.

        Just thinking here.. But they also going to have to figure Wainright is going to cost them big time after that 2013 option also, probably at least as much as Holliday makes.

        There are going to be some issues and a complimentary piece is what Holliday would be considered on a mid market team, regardless of War/OPS etc.. this team cannot afford budgets of 120m a season for more than a year or 2.

        • astrostl 3 years ago

           “a complimentary player outside of Coors field and not someone you build a team around” drastically underrates a consistent top-10 player in a 30-team market.  What metrics are you using for performance measurement?

          As for pitching, we have Shelby Miller and Carlos Martinez tearing up the prospect lists, and Garcia locked up for several years.  I don’t expect Wainright to be resigned to a big deal.

          Next 5 years of salary commitments: 68MM, 24MM, 26MM, 17MM, 1MM.  I don’t understand how you think the budget will be constrained at all, much less by a player like Holliday in particular.

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

            ” I don’t expect Wainright to be resigned to a big deal.”

            THAT could free up money. He was one of the key factors as considered him a huge salary raise **if** he is healthy and returns to form.

          • astrostl 3 years ago

             The money is not committed, so it is already free.

      • Way to snub Vernon Wells.

    • Sniderlover 3 years ago

      Holliday is worth every penny. Solid defensive LF with a great bat. He posted .912 OPS last season and .922 the year before that which is close to his career .929 OPS (that’s the same as Fielder BTW). He’s also got a world series to show so I have no idea how that contract can be considered bad. If anything, it’s a great one consider what Werth/Crawford/Fielder got. 

  6. RedSx799 3 years ago

    ouch…I’d hate to see the Cards lose Molina one season after Puljos.

  7. California_RedBirds 3 years ago

    This is not what I want to see. C’mon Mo, just get him extended

    • The Cardinals are not giving a blank check to any player. There are plenty of players who would love to play in St. Louis.

  8. gocubs418 3 years ago

    I think your family will be quite alright with your $22 million dollars you have.  Bothers me to hear them complain that they need MORE money.  Greed

    • Rabbitov 3 years ago

      Actually agree 100%.  You would think 5 million would be enough to live off, what need does anyone have for 50? 

      • bayareabeast 3 years ago

        i agree too but if you were in his position, 50 mil sounds a whole lot better than 5. definitely annoys me though

      • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

        It’s not that he needs it, it’s that he’s earned it. We live in a free market economy… One that says MLB players are worth over 400 thousand dollars at the minimum. As one of the top 3-5 catchers in baseball now he will earn money that represents that. Are there other, less glorious jobs that deserve more money? Of course. But that doesn’t change the fact that we as a populace have decided that we care more about the people that entertain us (athletes, musicians, movie stars, etc.) than the people who teach us, save us, or serve in the army in our names. Look at it this way… You are on a blog that earns advertising money based on the amount of hits they receive from people… who want to read about baseball.

        • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

          All of that being said, the need to take care of one’s family is a cop out to avoid sounding bad that just comes across as greed to those of us trying to look out for our families on our more meager salaries…

          • Houston_Astros 3 years ago

            Why is it wrong for him to want to establish financial security for his family three generations down the line?  It really doesn’t make sense for us to criticize him for this, considering everyone else would do it in his situation.  Plus, there is probably a subtext here; he is probably upset that they let Pujols get away.  Why not frame that as ‘listening to other offers’ rather than being angry at the front office?  Molina hasn’t done anything wrong here. 
            This isn’t to you so much as everyone who is complaining about his wanting to maximize his income.

          • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

            I don’t think he’s wrong by any means… I just think the real motive is maximizing his earning potential at something that he is better than 99.5% of the population at, as opposed to the welfare of future generations. Either way he’s not in the wrong… I just personally think that him saying he’s looking out for his family is an easy way for him to say he’s looking for a big deal while saving face…

          • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

            I don’t think he’s wrong by any means… I just think the real motive is maximizing his earning potential at something that he is better than 99.5% of the population at, as opposed to the welfare of future generations. Either way he’s not in the wrong… I just personally think that him saying he’s looking out for his family is an easy way for him to say he’s looking for a big deal while saving face…

          • He wants alot of money imagine that??? The Card’s want the most money too but where is the anger at that??

          • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

            I take it you chose to completely ignore my post directly above saying he’s earned the right to ask for his market value as one of the best catchers in the game?

          • sorry dude did not see it. my bad

          • NickinIthaca 3 years ago

             No worries… 

        • Rabbitov 3 years ago

          Yea thats all true, but it doesn’t change the fact that Molina isn’t “thinking about his family” if he takes 82 million instead of 80 million.

    • FS54 3 years ago

      I am not sure it is just greed. Would you be willing to work at a job for less than average salary because that lesser salary is more than enough for your family? I would want to be paid for what I am worth.
      Not sure the argument of overpay works anymore. Players want more money, owners pay them that, and fans still go to games and buy merchandise.

    • mdrulesstl 3 years ago

      I don’t recall 20 years ago ever hearing such complaints about not making enough money and if they don’t get paid a certain amount then they will just walk away from the team that help make them who they are.  Players used to bleed and die with the team the started their career with. These athletes make millions of dollars and all they can say is thats not good enough.  I don’t blame anyone trying to get what they think they are worth, BUT PLEASE, stop making organizations look bad because they CAN’T pay you the excess millions you think you deserve.  The STL Cardinals are a very traditional sports team and it pisses me off to have Pujols and Molina disgrace this organization when they say they won’t stay for a discounted offer.  That’s far from the truth.  They just don’t overpay for selfish players.  The reason the Cardinals are more successfull than teams like the Cubs, Angels, Boston and Both New York teams is because they build their team on chemistry and heart combined with talent.  This goes farther than Selfish and selfless athletes that ONLY CARE ABOUT MONEY!!!

  9. bayareabeast 3 years ago

    “This is business. If I get good money, I’ll take it. If not, I’ll go away.”
    that would scare me if i was a cards fan

  10. Houston_Astros 3 years ago

    At least he is being honest about his motivations.  I think that someone will be willing to pay a thirty-year-old catcher too much money.  For example, I think Joe ‘I used to be a replacement level catcher’ Girardi would field a team of catchers if he could.

    • Yankees420 3 years ago

      Good thing Girardi isn’t in charge of signing guys to contracts. 

  11. If he puts up one more great year like he did last year he could fetch a lot of money as a free agent.

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Thank you, Captain Obvious.

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      I might also add if he doesn’t do well and gets injured he will not get a lot of money as a free agent.

  12. Actually I think it’s refreshing to hear a ballplayer tell us, very straightforwardly, that his only incentive is money, not loyalty.  Us mere mortals could live a very satisfying life, and set up our children and grandchildren, on the $22 million he’s earned over the past 5 years.  I’m tired of ballplayers lying to the fans about why they move from ballclub to ballclub.  I understand their careers are short & I don’t have any problem with them making whatever they can get.  Just be honest about it at least.

  13. I said it earlier and I am still afraid that this might become a problem in the clubhouse before the year is over!!! I am a huge Cardinal fan and would love to see Molina stay but Also as a fan I am fed up with hearing these players talk like they barely make enough to put food on their table…the Cardinals are bigger than Molina and they are bigger than Pujols!! If he leaves I wish him well!!!!! Just saying!!!!

    • Why do you act like they should only make what the Owners want them to? The owners have tons and tons of money so why should the guys on the field not try to get paid the absolute best they can in the small window of time they have to use their talents?

      • BranchRickeysGhost 3 years ago

        It isn’t about who makes more money.  Both sides make a lot of money.  The problem is either side talking like they are poverty stricken, especially in this economy.  It is insulting to people who really are struggling.  Saying it is a business and you are entitled to get the best deal you can is fine.  Saying you “worry about your family” when you are making millions is condescending and insulting.

        • where did yadi talk like he was poverty stricken?  setting your family up for as long as possible is the responsible thing to do…just like dewitt will try to maximize the value of the team for when he leaves it to his children…just like you’re presumably doing

          • BranchRickeysGhost 3 years ago

            It’s not about reality, it’s about rhetoric.  You don’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater and you don’t say you are “worried about your family” when you are a millionaire.  It gives the wrong impression in a industry where public relations is important. 

          • why is public relations really important for professional athletes?  i dont expect them to be perfect, or even good people for that matter.  i want them to be entertaining on the baseball field and hopefully good, for my team

          • BranchRickeysGhost 3 years ago

            Public relations is important in any entertainment industry and that is what sports are.  You alienate fans and no one makes money. You may not be insulted by such remarks, but there are plenty of fans who are and will not spend their money because of it.

          • exactly!!! someone who gets it!

    • Philley11 3 years ago

      I get fed up when the owners act like they aren’t making any money. They certainly have alot more of it then the players do.

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        I agree with you, but the owner have a lot more risk than the players do.

  14. Philley11 3 years ago

    Is it just me or does it seem the Cardinals expect/hope all of their players to take hometown discounts. Maybe it’s just the whole Pujols negotiating process and now Molina. Seems kinda lowballish considering I’ve read that the 17 people who make up the ownership of the Cards are worth a combined 4 Billion, according to St. Louis Business Journal. I know you don’t make money by giving it away but Molina seems like he is worthy of a extension that isn’t a hometown discount.

    • cardinalmike 3 years ago

      They’ve come to expect it because players continue to help them.  Look at the nice “hometwon” discount Carpenter gave them last summer and Schumaker wanted to stay so bad he took less to stay and basically agreed to give up a starting position to be a super sub.  Linebrink just said the Cardinals were his #1 choice although he could have done better going to SF or Colorado.  I’ll also bet that Wainwright gives them a discount to stay.

      I suspect that Molina’s agent is looking in the 4 year/$48M range with one option year.  I suspect the Cardinals are in the 4 year/$36 M range.  I have my doubts as to whether team/player will be able to bridge that difference.

    • cardinalmike 3 years ago

      They’ve come to expect it because players continue to help them.  Look at the nice “hometwon” discount Carpenter gave them last summer and Schumaker wanted to stay so bad he took less to stay and basically agreed to give up a starting position to be a super sub.  Linebrink just said the Cardinals were his #1 choice although he could have done better going to SF or Colorado.  I’ll also bet that Wainwright gives them a discount to stay.

      I suspect that Molina’s agent is looking in the 4 year/$48M range with one option year.  I suspect the Cardinals are in the 4 year/$36 M range.  I have my doubts as to whether team/player will be able to bridge that difference.

      • yeah…and bruce chen took less guaranteed money to stay in KC…dont act like stl is special

        • BranchRickeysGhost 3 years ago

          I see the green eyed monster is rearing it’s ugly head.

        • cardinalmike 3 years ago

          It happens elsewhere, to be sure, but the Cards do get a lot of help from certain players. My point was that Cardinal management has come to expect it and not all players are so willing.  They have a system in STL that puts a $ value on a player and the Cardinals don’t seem to move much from that number.

          • Philley11 3 years ago

            I don’t know if the Cards get more discounts then anyone else, that is not the point. The point is, like you said cardinalmike, they seem to expect it more then other clubs and aren’t willing to budge otherwise.

            I will admit that I’m basically making that judgement off of this one offseason with Pujols and Oswalt and now Molina. It is a good thing they play in the central because I doubt they would have much of a chance to win a division otherwise, AL or NL and East or West.

  15. JamesOrLurch 3 years ago

    There is not a decent catcher in the Cards system and there won’t be another catcher with Yadi’s talent available on the open market. A deal that will work for both sides is very doable and should get done. He won’t command a salary that will hamstring the club like Pujols would have so there is little reason to not lock him up. I just hope that it happens before he reaches free agency, otherwise another team will snatch him up. I’d love to see him remain a Cardinal for life.

    • im sure you guys could trade for joe mauer and he’d immediately offer to cut his contract in half simply for the opportunity to play in front of self appointed ‘best fans in baseball’

      • JamesOrLurch 3 years ago

         1. If we were the “self appointed ‘best fans in baseball'” someone should alert the media to stop calling us that.
        2. Joe Mauer wouldn’t leave his hometown team nor would we want him with his insane contract for the mediocre results he has produced since signing said contract.
        Try again.

      • BranchRickeysGhost 3 years ago

        The “Best Fans in Baseball” was based on a 2009 poll by USA Today of major league baseball players.  It was not a concoction by  Cardinals fans.  Having said that, I wish the Cardinals and the media would stop using it because it just causes hard feelings with other fan bases.

  16. He wants to come play with Albert and continue the Molina tradition in Anaheim

  17. has to think about his family?? what like his great-great-great-great grandkids?? 

    i get the idea of wanting to be paid what you’re worth, but comments about family from these guys make me laugh. they make it sound like a hometown discount would put their family out on the street.

    • why shouldnt he add another ‘great’ to that list of family….why SHOULD he give the cards a hometown discount?  he’s played at a price below his market value for his entire career

      • i’m totally fine with him not giving them a discount, but please, dont try to pretend its about taking care of his family.

    • soxin10 3 years ago

      Stole my thoughts. I don’t begrudge the man making money, but the “feed the family” thing after having earned over 15 mil with another 7 mil this year is just disingenuous. I would rather have players say “pay me fairly” or “according to what other players of the same caliber make”, but feed the family? those are my issues, not his.

  18. I’m not for the owners or the players, but I don’t remember reading where the Cardinals asked for a hometown discount. Just get tired of players that think they are bigger than the TEAM!!!! It is def his choice if he wants to sign or leave so I wont lose any sleep over it one way or the other!!!!

  19. He said he likes the town and he likes the city. What’s the difference?

  20. DrHMD 3 years ago

    I don’t think the Cardinals are cheap in their offers. I think they are reasonable. First, note that they are 7th overall in payroll and the teams above them play in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, San Fancisco, and Detroit . Detroit and LA have just signed people to huge contracts which they may or may not regret. But for a medium market team, the Cardinals pay pretty well.

  21. Kendall Adkins 3 years ago

    Pay that man!!! Best defensive catcher in the game, top 5 offensively, and would play 162 games if you let him. 5 years 50 million would be a steal if you ask me.

  22. Slim 3 years ago

    I hate it when players say things like, “I need it to be a good financial situation for my family” Last I heard when you’re making 7 mil a year you aint hurtin. Sorry Yadi

  23. bobbybaseball 3 years ago

    I guess you have to appreciate his honesty for saying basically that he will go where the money is. But that whole “taking care of the family” thing is so overblown. We’re talking millions after already making millions. I think his family and a couple of generations will be taken care of no matter what.

  24. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    You should always be looking out for your families best interest and seeing as this is likely going to be his last major paycheck he has to do everything in his power to get a big one. The Cardinals have literally ZERO and I mean ZERO excuse to not pay him slightly above the market standard. They went out and super overpaid for Holiday, and this off season their most expensive player came off the books. I got no problem agreeing with him 100% Pujols wasn’t resigned and if they were able to even plate a reasonable offer to Albert they should be able to scrape up at least a 4 yr 45M deal with incentives for Molina. Its a business that goes both ways if its a difference of a million or so thats one thing but no team should expect its players to give up any large quantity of money just to be able to stay with them.

  25. johnsilver 3 years ago

    I watch everyone play.. Mostly Boston and the Fish, but generally everyone at some point or another..

    I also notice how fans of teams constantly take up for players that have here.. Whether or not they deserve it…

  26. every penny & more…. 

  27. He started the All Star game just last season!!!! Duh……..

  28. start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    …And the counter-reaction would be Molina reminding them the reserve clause is dead.

    To all the people who are whining about Molina saying baseball is a business: It is a business. Owners get revenue and players want a share since the main source of the revenue is do to people wanting to watch the players… not the owners.

    Molina wants his cut. If the Cards don’t want to give to him, their loss.

  29. Glen Stanford 3 years ago

    Yadi is a fan favorite . I would love to see him in a card uniform for life. In 2011 Yadi did more for the cardinals than Pujols did. It didn’t bother me to see Pujols go. I have a feeling he’s on the down swing

  30. Give me a break this is his life he should make as much as he can now so he can ensure the best life for his family for generations. You just want these guy’s to take what ‘you’ think is enough for them why should he care what you want it is his talent his life his family! Do you go into work and tell your boss to pay whatever is best for him and the company, which has millions!? I doubt it.

  31. Houston_Astros 3 years ago

    Molina is a good baseball player.  Even if another team pays him way too much, the Cardinals would probably still be worse without him.

  32. Slopeboy 3 years ago

    Molina should try and get all he can. If you’re so opposed to the Cards having to dig into their coffers, start up a collection for them!!

  33. Do you go into work and tell your boss to pay whatever is best for him and the company, which has millions!? Everyday Erin, everyday. That’s why “Lefty” is so Loved! :p

  34. Glen Stanford 3 years ago

    Matt holiday is washed up. He was not hurt in the world series. He had a poor series and knew Allen Craig was playing better so he took himself out. I still have not forgiven him for dropping the fly ball in the NLDS in 2010

  35. haha I bet lol see Lefty I wish the best at getting the most you can out of em. haha still laughing at the “lefty” is so loved’

  36. Holliday started in the All Star game just last season!!!! Hardly call that washed up…

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