Rosenthal On Greinke, Hamels, Kershaw

In the latest Hot Corner video, FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal gives his take on three of baseball's top aces…

  • The likelihood of Zack Greinke being dealt "probably is growing," though the Brewers are still on the fringes on the NL Central race.  Rosenthal doesn't think the Brewers will be able to afford re-signing Greinke this winter and their best-case scenario if they do trade him would be to bring back a big prospect, as the Mets did last summer when they acquired Zack Wheeler from the Giants in exchange for Carlos Beltran.
  • Ryan Howard and Roy Halladay won't be back until after the All-Star break and Chase Utley just made his season debut, so Rosenthal says the Phillies might "wait until the last minute, perhaps" to decide whether they'll be buyers or sellers at the trade deadlineCole Hamels and Shane Victorino, both pending free agents, would be Philly's biggest trade chips if the team did decide to look ahead to 2013.
  • There is "no urgency" for the Dodgers to pursue a longer contract extension with Clayton Kershaw.  The two sides already agreed to a two-year, $19MM deal in February and Kershaw isn't eligible for free agency until after the 2014 campaign.  Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said last month that the team wasn't going to negotiate a longer deal with Kershaw during the season.  Rosenthal notes that while the Dodgers may re-open talks in the offseason, it can't hurt to exercise a bit more caution when locking up pitchers, noting that the Giants are probably thankful they didn't extend Tim Lincecum last winter given Lincecum's struggles.


28 Responses to Rosenthal On Greinke, Hamels, Kershaw Leave a Reply

  1. Table 3 years ago

    What happened to Lincecum should not be relevant to Kershaw. Lincecum is a freak.

  2. Greinke to the braves!!!!!!!!!

  3. the Braves? i guess it depends on how BIG the Brewers think Julio Teheran is. Prospect wise.

    • asovermann 3 years ago

      With how horrid Teheran has been recently I almost think the Brewers wouldnt be interested.

      • he is def not putting up the stats of a top 5 prospect

        • He is 21 years old already in his 2nd season of AAA. The breaking ball is the only thing holding him back. Way more advanced than other pitching prospects. 

      • rundmc1981 3 years ago

        If they weren’t interested in him because of some recent troubles, I’d think their scouts are quite possibly the worst in the game. I’ve seen the guy pitch and he’s going to be a star. He’s never been given a spot in ATL.

  4. hmmm. if the Brewers were looking for a BIG Prospect i would think they would look at….Baltimore – Manny Machado or Det – Jacob Turner. Who else is in the position to acquire Grienke? …Banuelos from the Yankees? Carlos Martinez or Oscar Taveras from the Cards? 

    • There are just some prospects that are just off limits. Duquette is just waiting for the O’s to fade like the rest of us. Machado for a half season of Greinke would be worse than the Vernon Wells trade.

      • If the Os gave up Machado or Bundy then Duquette should be fired in a heartbeat.Why in the world would you give up either of those 2 prospects for a half season of a pretty good starting pitcher in Grienke.

  5. While long term contracts for pitchers are clearly more risky than extensions for position players, the Dodgers should not balk at an extension because of Tim Lincecum, Barry Zito or Mike Hampton. Mutually exclusive. Evaluate Kershaw based on Kershaw’s unique circumstance alone. 

  6. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 3 years ago

    So, are we writing off Tim Lincecum because he’s had a lousy half year?

    I’m not willing to say he’s through.

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      I agree. The stuff is there as indication of his k rate which is over 9. Biggest improvement is he’s pitching at 92 mph with his fastball again. Everything was just mental and it seems like he’s worked through being more consistent in the stretch. I really think his problems began when he lost over 30 lbs during the offseason going from 190+ to 160 affected his stamina.

  7. I disagree.  The Phillies biggest trade chip = Hunter Pence.  

  8. what do the Phillies want for Pence he is a right handed power bat and we are desperate for that in NY on the Queens side.

    •  I doubt the Phillies want to trade Pence within the division. The Mets would have to give up a lot to make that happen. Though the Phillies should have the book on Pence by now as far as getting him to strike out. Chase that high fastball, or swing and miss on an outside breaking pitch.

  9. no idea..if Beltran at an older age coming of Injury can bring a BIG prospect like Wheeler then Grienke can for sure bring a BIG Name to the Brewers. Baltimore has the money, small market and the Brewers need a SS. not sure Machado is available but it makes some sense.

  10. i think the braves would give up either but would the Brewers take Teheran? Simmons is a light hitter…i think Grienke brings more than those type of players.

  11. Sky14 3 years ago

    The Beltran deal was questionable to begin with and I doubt many GMs want to repeat the Giants mistake. Though since you use it as a comparison you shouldn’t look at it from hindsight. At the time Wheeler was the #55 prospect according to BA and was pitching good but not great in the low minors. Igotzbraun is right to expect a prospect 40’s or 50’s at best or a guy who is not performing up to expectations if you want to use the Beltran deal as a comparison. Guys like Machado, and Taveras would be very unlikely to be traded in a Greinke deal.

  12. nictonjr 3 years ago

    Tavares was #74 rated prospect according to BA.  That’s worse than a 40-50 ranked player.

    Randall Delgado was #46. Andrelton Simmons was #92.  Mil would take that package…

  13. The BA rankings are not the official rankings of every prospect worshiped by all clubs. Some teams like players more than others. Their BA ranking has absolutely nothing to do with their projected trade value to the Brewers

  14. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    ATL isn’t offering Simmons. C’mon man. MIL signed our leftovers at SS (Alex Gonzalez) only for us to give it to a glorified utility man rookie in Pastornicky to hold it for our SS of the future, Simmons. If you want Pastornicky, you can have him.

  15. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    Taveras is a consensus top 25 prospect and is considered top 10 according to some he will be on all mid season prospect lists, some people see a future 8 hit tool and a 7 power, that is elite.

  16. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    No it would take more than teheran who is no longer a top 5 prospect.

  17. rundmc1981 3 years ago

    Really? I’d think MIL would be happy to get Teheran for Greinke just like NYM got Zack Wheeler for Carlos Beltran last year when NYM wasn’t going to re-sign him. Look who got the better end of that deal (STL/NYM…not SF).

  18. The Brewers will trade him only if they get several top prospects for him.  They can still keep him and get the draft compensation picks.  So, unless they get a better deal than that, he will stay in Milwaukee and not be given to another NL team.

  19. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    Grienke is much more valuable than Beltran with his age and recent production, he is easily a top 10 starter in the majors.

  20. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    I didn’t act like he is getting murdered just simply said he isn’t a top 5 prospect anymore, I don’t see why brewers would have any problem getting a top 20 prospect for a top 10 starter in his prime

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