Dodgers, Cubs Discussing Dempster, Garza

The Dodgers and Cubs are discussing possible trades that would send either Ryan Dempster or Matt Garza to Los Angeles, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports. The Dodgers are seen as a favorite to acquire Dempster, and they’ve also had conversations about Garza. 

The Dodgers are expected to pursue upgrades aggressively in their first summer under new ownership. They have the resources to take on large contracts like Dempster’s ($14MM) and Garza’s ($9.5MM), but the Cubs prefer to obtain talent in trades even if it means getting less salary relief.

Dempster, 35, recently returned from the disabled list. He has a league-leading 1.99 ERA with 7.3 K/9 and 2.3 BB/9 in 86 innings and will hit free agency this coming offseason. Garza, 28, has a 4.32 ERA with 8.3 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 93 2/3 innings. He’ll go to arbitration once more next winter and hit free agency following the 2013 campaign.


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98 Comments on "Dodgers, Cubs Discussing Dempster, Garza"


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AndreTheGiantKiller
2 years 11 months ago

If a deal does happen Ned is bound to acquire the “veteran presence” who is bound to regress rather than the 28 year old with at least some upside. Here’s hoping the new ownership has more influence…

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2 years 11 months ago

Dempster would be the cheapest to get because of his age, contract and being a free agent at the end of the year. shouldnt take no more then 1 player to get him if not two low level minor leaguers.

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2 years 11 months ago

They are not going to give up dempster for two low level minor leaguers-  He’s the best pitcher currently in the National League, and we are looking for talent, not two throw in’s.  The Cubs are also willing to resign him for two more years, and build around him and Garza.  If the Dodgers are willing to give us some major league ready prospects, then the deal will get done!

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derail76
2 years 11 months ago

Garza, the best pitcher in the National League? Uhhh..No. he is prety good, but far from the best.

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kevb197731
2 years 11 months ago

Mike was talking about Dempster

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BDLugz
2 years 11 months ago

Also, the Cubs could offer arb and net a supplemental pick if he declines, so the cost of Dempster is that PLUS the value for the second half of the season.

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stl_cards16
2 years 11 months ago

Besides the fact that they can’t offer arbitration, good post.

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Kevin Spry
2 years 11 months ago

“best pitcher in the national league” very funny.  I am a Cubs fan and this one is a bit ridiculous.  they will be lucky to get rid of Dempster without having to pay all of his remaining salary, let alone get a “major-league ready” prospect.  Just get a pitcher from A or AA and get it over with.

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kevb197731
2 years 11 months ago

With as many teams that are in the hunt this years seems like they will overpay especially with the knd of year Dempster is having the Cubs should get what they want out of him.

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thenubigbaddblue
2 years 11 months ago

you are correct about a massive over pay, you must know who our GM is!! BUT seriously, he did just come back from the DL, that is gonna knock the price down just a tad.

P.S. mike, he is not the best pitcher in the NL by any means…

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

With so many “massive overpays” does anyone get a “massive underpay?” Just wondering about how this pay thing averages out.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

I think you know what he’s talking about..lol.

A “massive overpay” in terms of players is the Teixeira to Atlanta deal.

A “massive underpay” would then be something like (from the Rangers perspective) Volquez for Hamilton.

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TophersReds
2 years 11 months ago

Hamilton was nothing like he is now when that deal happened. The trade was even the first year because Volquez had a great year going to the ASG. Rangers obviously won in the end, but it wasn’t a massive underpay for the Rsngers until 2010.

If only that didn’t happen…. Votto and Hamilton in the same major league lineup (They played w/ each other in the minors).

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

I never quite know what to make of this massive overpay thing. Seems like teams are massively overpaying constantly. If quality starting pitching is in short supply at the trade deadline (and like this year, it usually is), then the price is going to be higher than it might be otherwise. The market for players changes all the time, it’s just the nature of the beast. Teams with quality starters to deal are going to get a haul, and that’s the name of that tune.

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Red_Line_9
2 years 11 months ago

Deals seem like “massive overpays” more often initially because the prospects involved might be a little overrated.   I don’t have the stats on it…but I’d conjure a guess that more often than not the prospects don’t pan out as well as anticipated.  Sometimes ALL of them do as in the Teixeira deal…but there are likely more cases where the players only turn out so-so.

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thenubigbaddblue
2 years 11 months ago

Yes there are massive overpays, you cant think of any? Our GM has a track record for doing so. So, I can solve this with one name, NED COLLETTI!!! Does J-MAC and Lambo for a 3 month rental of Dotel sting? DEFINITION of overpay Ned Colletti.

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

You are very good at predicting the past. So am I, but I don’t brag about it.

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thenubigbaddblue
2 years 11 months ago

Are you telling me you dont learn from the past experiences? I feel people have a track record and it should be called upon in when relevant. “predicting”? HA!!! : )

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2 years 11 months ago

They will get fair market value for him. Sub 2 ERA, and a bunch of tough luck losses. The Cubs may end up paying the remainder of his deal but they will get a quality guy or 2 in return for him.

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Funkhouser Jr.
2 years 11 months ago

I agree.  They’re not going to trade Dempster unless they get fair market value.  This isn’t like when we dumped Maddux to the Dodgers.  I still think Dempster has 2-3 good years left and is currently pitching better than ever.  The Cubs will ONLY pay his salary if they get better prospects.  If they’re not adequately compensated by someone in a trade, they would probably rather keep him and have the draft pick.

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CHendershott
2 years 11 months ago

Cubs will probably pay most of his salary in a deal, it will net better and/or more prospects in the return. Same goes for Soriano, although they’re going to take what they can get for him at this point.

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2 years 11 months ago

He’s not the best pitcher in the NL. He’s been great, and could help virtually any team in the playoff hunt, but he’s not the best pitcher. His BABIP and HR/9 indicate that he’s getting a lot of luck this year which is helping bring that ERA down to 1.99. But give me Cole Hamels, Matt Cain, Clayton Kershaw, Greinke, or Strasburg before Dempster.

He’s also 35… the Cubs are not going to be “building” around him. If they really want to rebuild he’s exactly the kind of guy they need to trade. Good enough to bring back a high quality prospect, but too old to really count on for the future of the organization.

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2 years 11 months ago

I like some of your logic, but some of it is off as well…. This is a guy that has a below average defense behind him, with poor range. I agree give me all of those guys before Demp, but outside of Greinke (who I wouldn’t take over Demp anyways) none of them are available…

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

“He’s the best pitcher currently in the National League”

Guessing that is based on the current ERA standings, but he’s far from the best pitcher.

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2 years 11 months ago

dempster the best pitcher in the NL? haha funny. lets compare him to the guys who have pitched the whole season and not been on the DL yet.

R.A. Dickey 12-1 2.40 ERA 123 K’s
Gio Gonzalez 12-3 2.90 ERA 118 K’s
Matt Cain 9-3 2.62 ERA 118 K’s  AND a perfect game

those are just naming a couple pitchers who are better then dempster, 2 of which who have helped turned their teams around with their great outtings.

Im not saying dempster isnt a good pitcher, but he is no where near the best pitcher in the NL. Major league level prospects is not necesarilly top prospects either.  so again nothing other then and ill rephrase my ” low level ” average at best prospects.

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Thomas Wilson
2 years 11 months ago

isn’t Grienke available?

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cp6208
2 years 11 months ago

I cant imagine many teams building around a 35 year old pitcher

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Joey E
2 years 11 months ago

knowing ned, dempster will cost us 2 top 5 prospects and we’ll all be wondering why he didn’t just get garza instead

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b00tz
2 years 11 months ago

 ugh… the worst.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

I don’t think Stan Kasten will allow Colletti to do something stupid here.

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Flash105
2 years 11 months ago

If the Dodgers get Dempster, one of the players in return will be Lee, Gould, or perhaps Eovaldi along with one or more 11-20 prospect in the Dodgers system. No way they get Dempster for 2 lower level guys. And they will not get Garza.

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b00tz
2 years 11 months ago

I couldn’t see them trading G. Gould for C. Lee but G. Gould and one or two other low level prospects I could see being happening in atrade for Dempster. Dodgers wont give up their best arms though, not for Dempster.

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Flash105
2 years 11 months ago

Don’t overlook a bigger deal with Russell, Baker or LeHair being involved and getting two top prospects from Dodgers and 2 lower level 11-20 prospects.

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Johnny_Felix
2 years 11 months ago

 last report said it might be for Gould and Withrow

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2 years 11 months ago

If you think Theo is gonna flip Demps for a couple low level minor leaguers, your crazy.  Demps is arguably pitching as well as anybody in the game, his split is devastating, look it up if you need to.  Demps loves it in Chicago and also has no trade, but hes willing to waive it.  The leverage here is with Theo, everybody needs pitching, he has it and there isn’t many sellers at this point.  Name somebody besides Hamels (who isn’t going anywhere) in the same league as Garza or Demps who is on the market for pitchers, Wandy?  Id rather have Demps or Garza.  The added wild card has given alot more teams a chance which includes alot more buyers.  Also given is the fact that the Cubs are willing to eat most if not all salary to get better prospects in return, and they are desperate for good young arms.

Anybody got an idea on the dodgers top prospects we could get back?

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Flash105
2 years 11 months ago

Lee, Gould, or Eovaldi (one of these), plus 1-2 more lower level.

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b00tz
2 years 11 months ago

Dodgers don’t want to give up there best prospects. If they do it will be for a guy like Hamels, but they can get him in the off season. Dempster is kinda old and has been on the DL this season so out of those three I could only see Gould being delt, again with one or two others.

Guest
2 years 11 months ago

a guy like Hamels will take 2 or all 3 of them.

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b00tz
2 years 11 months ago

Right. Not sure they got the pieces, but I’m sure they wait till the off season for him.

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

For a rental? Absolutely not.

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Brv Rocks
2 years 11 months ago

“Name somebody besides Hamels (who isn’t going anywhere) in the same league as Garza or Demps who is on the market for pitchers”

Greinke, the only true ace that is on the market.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

If Hamels “isn’t going anywhere”, then how is he on the market?

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

The Phils are being very coy about whether they’d prefer to trade or extend Hamels, and clearly they could go either way, depending on the price.

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Jacob Viets
2 years 11 months ago

This is off topic, but what do you think of this deal:
Dodgers get:
Ryan Dempster
Cubs get:
Ethan Martin
Blake Smith
I don’t know if you’ve moved on from this post, but I have read your comments before and respect your opinions.

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Based entirely on the interest in Dempster I have a feeling he will cost more than a couple of mid-A ball prospects. Martin may be close to the majors but I don’t know about Smith. Seems he’s further off. But it’s all speculation. I can’t claim to know what kind of offers the Cubs are getting or what they feel they need.

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TheFallenSoldier
2 years 11 months ago

The asking price for hamels is 4-5 prospects, thats the phillies saying “give us all your farm or no deal”. Im pretty sure hamels wont be dealt this season. 

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BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Assuming he isn’t extended very soon, I think Hamels will be traded, but not before the horn blows at midnight.

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Nick Daniels
2 years 11 months ago

Do the Royals want either?  They need to try to get Wil Myers in Wrigley.

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vtadave
2 years 11 months ago

Pretty sure the Royals aren’t dealing Wil Myers for a guy who’s only under team control (Garza) for another year and a half.  I know the Royals need pitching, but if they were to deal Myers, it would be for a cost-controlled high-upside guy like Gerritt Cole (note this is only an example).