Ryan Dempster Rumors: Wednesday

Ryan Dempster allowed three earned runs on five hits in six innings against the Pirates today, striking out six. Trade talk continues to surround the 35-year-old right-hander, who would prefer to be dealt to the Dodgers than the Braves. Here’s the latest on Dempster, with the most recent notes up top:

  • The Cubs have told teams interested in Dempster they'd grant a window to negotiate an extension, tweets Tim Brown of Yahoo Sports.
  • The possibility of a trade exists, but the Cubs are frustrated by their lack of leverage, Morosi tweets. Chicago still hopes Dempster changes his mind about Atlanta, tweets Olney.
  • The Cubs now plan to keep Dempster and make him a qualifying offer after the season, ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets. Doing so would allow the Cubs to collect a compensatory draft pick in 2013.
  • The Dodgers have Zack Greinke and Josh Johnson on their list in case they don't trade for Dempster, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.
  • Braves GM Frank Wren said on 680-AM The Fan in Atlanta that he's "moving on" from Dempster. "I think it's very highly unlikely," Wren said (via ESPNChicago.com). Once the Braves heard Dempster would prefer to play for the Dodgers, they moved on. Wren said the Braves continue pursuing starting pitchers.
  • The Dodgers have the upper hand in talks with the Cubs, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.
  • The Dodgers are feeling increasingly confident that they can work out a deal for Dempster, ESPN.com's Buster Olney tweets. The Cubs don't have many alternatives given Dempster's interest in playing for L.A. and his no-trade protection.
  • A trade between the Dodgers and Cubs still seems “realistic,” Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets.
  • The Dodgers still intend to add a starting pitcher, Scott Miller of CBSSports.com tweets.


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134 Comments on "Ryan Dempster Rumors: Wednesday"


RippinNTearinAB
3 years 1 month ago

And again i say,

Zack Greinke. Get it done Wren!

Ryman5000
3 years 1 month ago

Man, talk about lost opportunity…Cubs will be lucky to get a pair of mid-level prospects from the Dodgers at this point.

BosephHeyden
3 years 1 month ago

Since mid-level Dodger prospects are on the same level as low-level “Any Other Team” prospects, I think the Cubs are smart to get the draft pick. And Dempster just became a pariah in Chicago because of all this.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 1 month ago

Taking a wild guess, I’d say that the “cut off my nose to spite my face” approach probably doesn’t have much coin in the Cubs’ front office.

bonds2425
3 years 1 month ago

Cubs saying they’re going to keep him is a ploy to get him to the braves.

readmyposts
3 years 1 month ago

Dempster is having a terrific year, and is possibly 1 out of 5 most underrated pitchers in the NL. This would be the year to grab him before his numbers slowly decline. Having successful bullpen experience should make him tempting for more teams.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

This is why I can’t stand the way no-trade clauses currently work. I’m fine with a player having trade protection, either in the form of monetary compensation or an absolute block to a select group of teams, but the whole “maybe he’ll waive it maybe he won’t” thing is really a mess. There needs to be some system where a player has to approve or deny teams sufficiently early in a season so teams like the Cubs and Braves can actually negotiate.

In this instance, Dempster has completely ruined the Cubs’ bargaining position by flip-flopping so much. If the Cubs had never had a deal with Atlanta (because Dempster veto’d them back in May or something), then they’d be able to strike a better deal with the Dodgers, potentially.

Also, if the Cubs let Dempster start tonight against the Pirates then they’re complete fools.

Ken Roucka
3 years 1 month ago

If you’re the Dodgers why do you offer the Cubs anything other some scrub minor leaguer?

lefty58
3 years 1 month ago

Because they wont take them and you want the player.

Ken Roucka
3 years 1 month ago

There are other pitchers out there. Why overpay for this one that the current team has no leverage with?
In order for the Cubs to get anything for him via a comp pick in the draft they’ll have to offer him arb and frankly I don’t think they will because I think they’re afraid he’d take it and win. At his age, even with the season he is having this year, he’s not going to get a very long term deal on the open market (two maybe three years). He might be more inclined to take the one year deal to stay in Chicago (he has a young child with a rare health condition that probably might benefit from the stability).

3 years 1 month ago

Dempster is not ending his tenure in Chicago very gracefully.

He ought to have provided the Cubs with a list of all the teams he was ruling out before the trade talks began, rather than waiting for them to strike a great deal with Atlanta before deciding (and doing so publicly!) that he wasn’t feeling that destination.

Dempster has put his thinking on public display for no reason, and in doing so has decimated the Cubs’ leverage and left them in no position to demand a good return from Los Angeles.

Ken Roucka
3 years 1 month ago

He did offer them a list of teams and Atlanta was one of them.

Adam Siegel
3 years 1 month ago

wow. that is a punch in the face then.

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

I’ve been looking for this list. Where did he say this?

Carlos M
3 years 1 month ago

It’s only been “reported”
But do you honestly believe Theo & Jed would try to move Dempster while not knowing where he’d like to go.

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

So, everyone is up in arms over a list nobody knows about. What if this whole trade was sparked from Braves side and the Cubs just thought it was too good to pass up and try to get Dempster to take a trade to a team he doesn’t really want to go unless it’s a last resort.

Bob Jeffries
3 years 1 month ago

he had atlanta as his 2nd place to be traded to, he is being very selfish, especially when he is said I want the Cubs to get something good in return for me, now were going to get less

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

OK, I’ll ask this again. Please link to me that has Ryan saying this? Everything I’ve read comes from reporters who *BELIEVE* Atlanta is high on his list or that he would accept a trade. I have yet to see anything that confirms that ATL is #2 or even gives a list of teams he’d take a trade to. It’s all been pure speculation on reporters so far.

MountainsofMadness
3 years 1 month ago

Would Theo, during the most important trade deadline in years for the Cubs, waste time working a deal with a team not on Dempster’s list? Think very carefully about that.

jayrig5
3 years 1 month ago

There’s a difference between reporting on what sources say and “pure speculation”. Just because a reporter doesn’t have a physical copy of a list signed by Ryan Dempster ranking the teams he’d prefer to go to doesn’t mean there wasn’t an agreement.

And, then, of course, there’s this statement from Frank Wren:

In his case, from my understanding – and I’m only getting it second hand from the Cubs – they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he’d like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren’t really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us.

There’s no way that the Cubs, while staying in touch with Dempster throughout the process, would have made a deal with the Braves without fully believing that Dempster was fine with it. And, when you consider that the Cubs had been exploring things first with Dempster’s first choice (the Dodgers) you have to think they told him that the Dodgers deal wouldn’t work out, and they were moving onto the Braves. At that point, if Dempster had changed his mind and solely wanted to go to the Braves, he should have said something.

Now, again, according to you that’s pure speculation, and I don’t have any documentation. But you have to admit it’s the most logical scenario, unless you believe the Cubs front office is just completely incompetent and foolish.

But, even ignoring all of that, surely you realize that he’d expressed an openness to the Braves in the past.

MountainsofMadness
3 years 1 month ago

Use logic, please. Theo is not going to waste time with a team Dempster didn’t approve of.

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

If this deal was sparked by the Braves do you really think Jed/Theo would just shoot it down because Dempster didn’t say no to Atlanta? No GM would ever do that. They would try to work out the best deal they can get then go to Dempster with an offer.

Shel K
3 years 1 month ago

in fact atlanta was #2 on the list. Demp is really acting the tool at this point.

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

Link to this list please. Any press statement that says he would approve a trade to Atlanta. Thanks.

Michael Gardiner
3 years 1 month ago

It has been all over this site

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

A list that who compiled? MLBTradeRumors list of likely trade destinations that may not be accurate or did it come from Desmpster or his Agent?

3 years 1 month ago

I cannot find a direct link but have heard in on espn radio and 680 the fan in Atlanta.. It will pop up somewhere for you

ubercubsfan
3 years 1 month ago

So you heard from a sports talk radio not from Dempster/Agent or Theo/Jed? Then it’s pure speculation from the host of that sports talk radio. Nothing is concrete here. It’s all been assumptions on rumors on what has happened.

Ken Roucka
3 years 1 month ago

Frank Wren from today’s Chicago Sun Times article titled, “Braves GM explains how Ryan Dempster trade fell apart”

“…they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both…the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren’t really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way.”

PuddlesofDoom
3 years 1 month ago

I’ve been told that the sky is blue, but I’ve never seen a press release from the sky saying that it is, in fact, blue. Wow…how could I have been so blind all these years?

jb226
3 years 1 month ago

I guess his view is “they’re about to trade me, why should I show any loyalty to a team I’m not going to be on tomorrow?”

As disappointed as I am that he scuttled the Atlanta trade, I can’t really argue with his logic. Business and all that. This is one of the reasons I was never a big fan of the concept of a 10-and-5 player to begin with.

burtonbball88
3 years 1 month ago

I agree that Dempster really messed us up, but it could be due to other reasons. I wish with everything in me that he would have accepted the trade, but what if Theo and Jed wanted to make some last minute offers to other teams, and the trade talks went cold. Or ATL wanted Demp to sign an extension for sure after this year, and he doesn’t want to do that. Lastly, maybe it’s due to the fact that he saw the Brave historic meltdown last year to end the season. Any of these reasons are viable options, and are realistic. But man, do I wish we would have got Delgado.

Chiburgh
3 years 1 month ago

If I were the Cubs, I would trade Garza for Zach Lee and Demp can sit at home in October.

Cubstein
3 years 1 month ago

Zach Lee wouldn’t be nearly enough for Garza. Its not enough for Dempster at this point after being offered Delgado.

Chiburgh
3 years 1 month ago

Duplicate entry

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 1 month ago

You overlook Garza’s numbers, which are far from spectacular, and also that he’s under team control for only one more year — AKA, a glorified rental. Lee is a solid pitching prospect, a first rounder at the very start of his career. What the Braves offered for Dempster isn’t relevant since that deal is not happening.

Cubstein
3 years 1 month ago

Lee is is struggling and may be out of the top 100 prospects at this point. Garza is younger and has one more year of control rather than being a rental he would at least get a team a comp pick if he walks after 2013. Even before the Dempster offer, I would have said Lee is not enough for Garza. LA’s system is one of the worst in the league, I will go elsewhere thank you. For sure we would at least get Delgado for Garza still, which I would rather have than Lee.

Chiburgh
3 years 1 month ago

Cubs, Dodgers Discussing Garza For Zach Lee Swap

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 23, 2012 at 2:07pm CST]

The Cubs and Dodgers are discussing a trade that would send right-hander Matt Garza to Los Angeles for a package of players including highly-regarded pitching prospect Zach Lee, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network reports (on Twitter).

Cubstein
3 years 1 month ago

Discussing, but there will be better offers than the dodgers are able to even capable of offering. If Demp doesn’t want to go to Atlanta for Delgado, I’d rather have Delgado for Garza than Lee for Garza, which Atlanta would likely be willing to offer. There have also been about 10 other teams discussing Garza. Discussions mean nothing. heres the discussion. Will you take Lee for Garza, no, ok, discussion over.

3 years 1 month ago

Keyword, package. 4 players including one who is ML player.

3 years 1 month ago

So glad Dempster loves playing the hammer. He did a great job. We lost a great prospect in Delgado that could have helped the Cubs for years to come. Dempster forgets that it was the Cubs who gave him an opportunity to start again, of which, allowed him to make the big bucks. As if he was ever “the nail” with the Cubs. I am anxiously awaiting him bombing tonight against the Pirates so he can play “the hammer” some more.

DebaserTN
3 years 1 month ago

“Playing the hammer” was a veiled hint that he was going to be a major tool.

downanddirty
3 years 1 month ago

Why didn’t he just say from the beginning that he only would accept a trade to the Dodgers? If that was his thinking all along, what he’s doing right now is a slap in the face to management and Cub fans, alike. At this point, I wouldn’t shed one tear if he pitches tonight vs the Pirates and blows out his arm.

Karkat
3 years 1 month ago

Pretty much exactly this. If there hadn’t been all that mess with the Braves, the Cubs wouldn’t be at a weak bargaining position. They could still be “threatening” the Dodgers with “other teams.”

Chiburgh
3 years 1 month ago

The game starts in just over 1 hour

Kayrall
3 years 1 month ago

First off, you would shed a tear, being that the Cubs would almost 100%
not offer him the 12mil at the end of the season in an attempt at a
bonus draft pick. Second, you feel that Dempster choosing where he
wants to go fairly nullifies ALL the good things he has done for this
organization and city?

downanddirty
3 years 1 month ago

While I can appreciate he wants to do right by his family, there is no disguising the fact that he is, effectively, jerking the organization around. Yes, he has done good things, but they have been very good to him, as well. He was pretty much rescued from the scrap heap when they gave him his opportunity, and they rewarded him with a multi-million dollar contract after only one year of being in the starting rotation. I’d say it’s a two-way street, as far as which side has done more for the other. And I do stand corrected on it being a day game, rather than tonight.

Kayrall
3 years 1 month ago

I’m merely commenting on wishing him poor future. Blowing out his arm hurts both parties and is quite rash.

downanddirty
3 years 1 month ago

Not wishing him anything bad but, as I said, wouldn’t be broken up at all if karma bit him in the behind, either.

Jamie Baker
3 years 1 month ago

How is he jerking the organization around? He has earned the right to turn down the trade if he so feels. If you had 2 job offers, one might benefit someone else more than you, while the other option benefits you and your family more, don’t you choose the 2nd option? Or at least explore that option until the door is closed?

downanddirty
3 years 1 month ago

The difference being that, if I knew I would only accept a job offer from one town, there is no reason I would keep that to myself and let people waste their time trying to place me somewhere else. Dempster either lied to the front office from the start, or kept it to himself until he was confronted with the possibility of going somewhere other than LA. Either way, it doesn’t speak well for the man.

xcal1br
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly. It’s a concept known as honor, and it seems as though Dempster has little to spare. A common problem in society today.

Jamie Baker
3 years 1 month ago

Part of being honorable is leaving another man alone to deal with his personal business. You would question a man for fulfilling his sworn and signed contract?

Shel K
3 years 1 month ago

he has had 2 months to make it clear where he wants to go – to jack the team around at the last minute like this is really being a jerk.

Flash105
3 years 1 month ago

If I am the Cubs, the Dodgers offer an attractive package or Dempster sits the rest of the year so we can see our younger pitchers. There is no sense for a last place team to pitch a 35 year old mediocre pitcher with a career 3 games under .500 record. Thanks for nothing, Dempster. I hope Theo rejects any junk from the Dodgers. I would give neither Dempster or the Dodgers something for nothing.

mj888
3 years 1 month ago

Actually the Cubs still have the upper hand as they could just keep him and then offer him arbitration after the season and assuming he rejects it collect a supp 1st round draft pick.

Adam Siegel
3 years 1 month ago

I think that he just wanted to beat the Pirates one more time.

BD
3 years 1 month ago

Game is not tonight…. more like in 80 minutes

Dodgerzz
3 years 1 month ago

So Dempster likes to be a troll is how I read this.

bravesfansince1990
3 years 1 month ago

Thanks you to the baseball gods that this trade did not happen. In saying that I feel bad for Cubs fans I hope you guys get Lee seriously!

lefty58
3 years 1 month ago

Time to put Dempster in the Sammy Sosa column.
I never thought I’d see that happen.

mgsports
3 years 1 month ago

The Dodgers have Zack Greinke and Josh Johnson on their list in case they don’t trade for Greinke, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports tweets and he memant Ryan Dempster and other teams could fall out it and make more Starters available.

WillieMayEsHayes
3 years 1 month ago

What is the deal with Felix Hernandez? Have the mariners ever said they would trade him? I’d love to see him with the braves

gothamgator
3 years 1 month ago

I could actually see King Felix as someone who the Braves could be targeting right now… Top of the rotation guy, under control through 2014, and the Braves usually end up trading for people that aren’t being linked to them (or even talked about much as a possibility to be traded).

Maybe it’s just wishful thinking… but I’d be ok with trading away multiple top prospects for someone like Felix over a 2 month rental

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 1 month ago

Jon Heyman sez: the odds of Dempster going to Atlanta are now 29:71.

dodgers33dodgers
3 years 1 month ago

It sounds like Demp wants to end his career with the cubs…he said if he was traded he would like to return to chicago…wut makes the cubs think he wont except the qualifying offer? Get wut u can or will probably be in this same position this time next year on this site…lol

Cubstein
3 years 1 month ago

Pretty sure after he is boo’d in Chicago for his remaining starts he will not want to come back. Plus he would be stupid not to leverage this year into a multi-year deal worth around the same per year as a qualifying offer.