Latest On Ryan Dempster

11:05pm: The Cubs are asking the Dodgers for minor league pitcher Allen Webster as the centerpiece of a Dempster trade, reports Morosi (Twitter link).

6:55pm: It's possible that the Dodgers could acquire Dempster from the Cubs without having to surrender Lee, a source tells Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com (Twitter link).

5:34pm: The Dodgers are holding out on including pitching prospect Zach Lee in a potential Dempster trade, sources tell Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (Twitter link).

4:20pm: The Cubs are talking to the Dodgers about Dempster again, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports.

3:26pm: Dempster told reporters, including Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com, that he's taking his time to weigh his options (Twitter link). He plans to pitch for the Cubs tomorrow. "I have a pretty good idea of where I want to go," Dempster said, according to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). 

1:37pm: The status of the possible Braves-Cubs deal should be resolved "shortly," ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports (on Twitter). The Cubs continue talking to the Braves and the Dodgers.

12:43pm: Dempster doesn’t want to be traded to the Braves right now, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Instead, the right-hander hopes to be dealt to the Dodgers. While the Dodgers had interest in Dempster and were considered by some to be the favorites to acquire him, they didn’t reach an agreement with the Cubs. Chicago would lose leverage with the Dodgers if Dempster rejects a trade to the Braves, his second choice. 

TUESDAY, 9:05am: Dempster has given preliminary indications that he'd accept a trade to the Braves, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick reports (Twitter links). However, Dempster felt blindsided when news of the proposed deal leaked before the Cubs reached him.

MONDAY, 6:20pm: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports writes that Dempster to the Braves now has a 50-50 chance of happening. 

3:30pm: The teams are awaiting Dempster's approval, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports (on Twitter).

2:57pm: Dempster is in the Cubs' clubhouse preparing for tonight's game in Pittsburgh, according to reporters, including Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). He declined to discuss today's developments, Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com reports (on Twitter).

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports suggests the clubs could have an agreement or near-agreement (Twitter links). Convincing Dempster to accept the trade may be the final obstacle.

2:38pm: The Cubs haven't received Dempster's permission to complete a trade, David Kaplan of CSNChicago reports (on Twitter). "There is no trade," Dempster tweets via his foundation. "Don't know where this info came from!" Meanwhile, Goldstein hears that the deal is not done, but acknowledges that it might simply be delayed while MLB considers the financial side of the transaction (Twitter link).

1:51pm: Randall Delgado will be in the trade if it's completed, ESPN.com's Keith Law reports (on Twitter). The sides will also find a way to balance the money.

Delgado, 22, has started 17 games for the Braves this year, posting a 4.42 ERA with 7.2 K/9 and 4.1 BB/9 in 91 2/3 innings. The right-hander entered the season as the 46th-best prospect in MLB, according to Baseball America. His average fastball checks in at 92 mph, according to FanGraphs. Delgado has a ceiling as a number three starter in the Major Leagues, Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus writes (on Twitter).

1:22pm: The Braves and Cubs have agreed to a trade that will send Ryan Dempster to Atlanta, Mark Bowman of MLB.com reports (on Twitter). The right-hander can veto any trade, but he is not likely to demand an extension in order to approve the deal, according to Jon Heyman. Randall Delgado could be going to Chicago in the deal, Bowman adds.

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Dempster, 35, has an NL-best 2.11 ERA with 7.1 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 98 innings for the Cubs this year. He earns $14MM in 2012 — more than $5.5MM between now and the end of the season — but the Cubs are said to be willing to absorb salary to facilitate a deal.

The Braves won't be able to obtain draft pick compensation for Dempster even if he signs elsewhere after the season. In other words, he's strictly a rental unless the sides reach an extension between now and the end of the season. The Braves believe they'd have a good shot at re-signing Dempster, David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports (on Twitter). The Cubs would have been able to obtain one compensatory selection for losing Dempster if they had kept him for the remainder of the season and made him a qualifying offer.

Braves starters have combined for a 4.34 ERA with 7.0 K/9 and 3.4 BB/9 so far this year. The team's rotation currently consists of Tim HudsonTommy HansonMike MinorJair Jurrjens and newcomer Ben SheetsBrandon Beachy and Arodys Vizcaino are out for the season with Tommy John surgery, which diminished the organization's internal options.

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com first reported that the Braves were nearing a deal for Dempster after David O'Brien first reported the Braves were nearing a deal for a starter. Photo courtesy of US Presswire.


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596 Comments on "Latest On Ryan Dempster"


NatFan05
3 years 1 month ago

Hopefully he has some major 2nd half regression, Sabermetrics seem to think he will

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

He’s definitely due some regression, but even if he regresses all the way to his 3.28 FIP for the rest of the season he’s still one of the better pitchers in the league this year.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

considering he is going to a team with more offense and better all around defense he will more than likely stay the same, plus the braves play in a slightly better pitchers park than wrigley

letsgogiants
3 years 1 month ago

Good move by the Braves depending on what they give up. He will be a nice addition to the front of the rotation.

Edit: If Delgado is in the trade, I think the Cubs might have won. Delgado is a steep price to pay for a rental who won’t even bring any draft picks if he signs elsewhere.

John Adams
3 years 1 month ago

We got ’em.

Patrick Tuck
3 years 1 month ago

Who did the Braves give for him? As a Braves fan, I’m not too stoked..

bcandbc
3 years 1 month ago

you should please imo. the braves had to acquire a SP this season. they can win this division now and dempster is actually resignable without breaking bank. which allows us to focus elsewhere. i really want to re-sign bourn.

Cosmo3
3 years 1 month ago

I admit I’m not too familiar with Delgado, but if it’s Delgado for Demp, that’s a pretty solid return for the Cubs, right?

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

For sure.

3 years 1 month ago

Very good return. You guys will love Delgado for the next 6 years, he’s got great stuff.

Cosmo3
3 years 1 month ago

Thanks guys. I think this could be win-win trade for both clubs. Demp is a class act and having a great year–he could help the Braves down the stretch and into the post-season. I’ll be pulling for him to get one last shot at a ring this fall!

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

Me too. Officially a Braves fan for the playoffs this year. Hope they make it.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

Scoutingbook calls him a wiry power pitcher with three quality pitches and developing control. He’s also only 22, and his fastball touches 95. Good enough for me!

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

He sits about 92, with good arm-side run. Command comes and goes, which is not atypical for a 22 year old. Change-up is maybe a tick above average and the breaking ball is below. He has things to work on, but he’s a nice piece to get back for Dempster.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Definitely. Delgado doesn’t have ace potential or anything, but he’s a solid #3 type (was said to have #2 potential) and under control for a long time. Even if it’s a straight swap I really like it for the Cubs.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Boston fans breathe a sigh of relief..

yes on the other hand.. Epstein did pretty well with his 1st sweepstakes sale. Set the bar fairly high for sale #2.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

‘Doesn’t have ace potential’? Be honest with this question….how many times have you seen him pitch? He’s 22 with killer stuff still trying to figure stuff out. How can you put a ceiling on him already? Come on though seriously….how many times have you seen him pitch? Don’t lie…

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Once or twice, but I’m not a scout anyway. According to people who are though he’s likely a #3, with the potential to be a #2.

3 years 1 month ago

uh, YEAH, its a solid return for you!

Braves got fleeced! I wish the Cubs would have had to trade Garza to get Theo!

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

Got fleeced? We don’t even know if Delgado is the return they got yet!

3 years 1 month ago

Your name suits you well. Do you have anything else to say or will you finally accept that if the deal is done, Delgado goes?

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

And what exactly did you say? At the time I wrote those nothing had been confirmed, so of course I would accept that he went. Doesn’t stop it from being a terrible trade.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

from what I know of him at worst he is going to be a 1a starter, has the stuff and make up to be a true ace, granted anything can happen but he is a legit front of the line starter

3 years 1 month ago

Then you dont know much about him…

bill waters
3 years 1 month ago

Jay, he was hitting 95 in the first in his last start…an easy 95…he looked MUCH better, more fluid in his motion after being sent down…fangraphs #3 ceiling is b.s.

DK8
3 years 1 month ago

After watching him pitch this past year (Braves fan here), he probably has more of a low-end #2 ceiling. If the breaking ball takes a big step forward, he could be a low-end #1. He has a very long arm action that gives lefties a long look at the fastball, but generates above average (but not ace-level) velocity. Command has plenty of room to improve, but he’s still young. It isn’t premium stuff, but it is above average, and 22 year olds holding their own in MLB don’t grow on trees.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 1 month ago

It will be. Kid is 22, throws 94-95 all day but gets shaken in tough innings. Good stuff, though. He wasn’t ready for MLB and was thrust into the rotation. Should be solid in a year or two.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Delgado seems like a lot for a 35 year old rental. Wren must be thinking his seat is getting warm.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

Gotta compete with Stras, Gio, Zimmerman, and E-Jax. Time is of the essence.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

stras won’t be a factor very shortly

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

They might move to a 6 man rotation and limit Strasburg in that way. I think he will pitch in the playoffs.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

he’s on an innings limit, he’s not making it to the playoffs.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

What is the inning limit? Last time I checked, Rizzo says he is gonna be playing it by how he looks. You really think they are just gonna shut him down cold turkey if the NL East is up for grabs?

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Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

his limit is 160-170
and theyve stated many times that they are not letting him go over that.. why do you think they have pulled him after the 6th so often? its definetely not due to performance

and yes they will because one division title isn’t worth ruining a once in a generation type arm

Natsfan89
3 years 1 month ago

Mike Rizzo has not one time put a number to the innings limit. The 160-170 limit is all speculation from the media based on what happened with Jordan Zimmermann last year.

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

link to mlbtraderumors.com I don’t see a 160-170 limit

marinest21
3 years 1 month ago

There is no validity to the statement that his limit is between 160 and 170.

Additionally, there is a difference between completely shutting him down or skipping his starts so he finishes the regular season and the postseason (if they make it) with a preferred number of IP. I never said that I think they’ll completely let him go as long as he wants, but I dont think they’ll just shut him down once he reaches 160 if they are in a pennant race and not have him pitch again.

erm016
3 years 1 month ago

Once in a generation? Come on.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

seriously?

erm016
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah. He’s good, no doubt. He has potential. But he’s far from once in a generation.

Washington not having been in a playoff series for something like 80 years, is greater than Strasburg.

NL_East_Rivalry
3 years 1 month ago

I do. That’s not just hoping though. Rizzo has repeated over and over that he will do things to better his team for the future even if it hurts in the now. I think it’s smart, but he should have started to limit the innings at the beginning of the year instead of later. Though Stras hasn’t pitched far in a game yet this year.

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

Welp we don’t know if it’s Delgado yet or not.

AndreTheGiantKiller
3 years 1 month ago

Should be a pretty good pick up. I’m just glad Ned doesn’t get the chance to massively overpay anymore…

scott brecht
3 years 1 month ago

Just wait, Aramis is still on his way

Vivid_Reality
3 years 1 month ago

Demps is a class act, sad to see him go but it needed to be done. Hope you guys enjoy him in Atlanta.

DerekJeterDan
3 years 1 month ago

Can’t wait to see what the Cubs got in return for him!
Nice move by Atlanta. A veteran starter like Dempster will help.

3 years 1 month ago

Not Randall Delgado c’mon Braves!!!!!! He’s not worth our price prospects, he’s old and a free agent to be.

bcandbc
3 years 1 month ago

it’s okay. they still got beachy to get healthy for the future. dempster is re-signable and affordable. they still got julio teheran (sp) as well.. i’m pretty pleased.

3 years 1 month ago

well ya but at least we should of got another player too

Patrick Tuck
3 years 1 month ago

I wonder what they gave up to get Dempster. As a Braves fan, I’m not stoked about it….He is aging, and this is ONE good season he is having. I’ve always liked him as a guy and a hard player, but not the best…

Vivid_Reality
3 years 1 month ago

He has consistently averaged 3WAR per season since being converted back to a starter. I’d say thats pretty good.

bcandbc
3 years 1 month ago

delgado is a slight over pay but not bad.. it is worth it. this braves club needs a SP and i don’t trust greinke’s being uncormfortable and demanding too much money to re-sign. dempster is actually a solid 10 game winner thru his career. this is good for both sides. the braves had to acquire a SP. this isn’t breaking them.

3 years 1 month ago

Good move by Cubs. Delgado much better than a comp pick. Braves must be desperate to put last year behind them.

Stonehands
3 years 1 month ago

This trade is awful if Delgado is going to the cubs.

DerekJeterDan
3 years 1 month ago

Hopefully we see a lot more trades. This time of year is like my Christmas.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

Me too… I’ve been really antsy the past week or so wondering why nothing’s been happening.

rainyperez
3 years 1 month ago

I wouldn’t worry considering you’re a Cubs fan you’ll be getting all sorts of reinforcements coming to your minor league system within the week.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

*Fingers crossed!*

rainyperez
3 years 1 month ago

If Cubs could trade Garza and Lahair I’m pretty sure you’ll get enough on a return to cut your expectancy for a winning season and playoffs by a couple of years. Not to mention that the club’s draft position should be slotted in a good enough spot to nab additional prospects next year.

Kyle MacGregor
3 years 1 month ago

Good. Dodgers don’t need him.

Stoibs
3 years 1 month ago

If the Cubs got Delgado, then that is a heck of a return for Dempster.

esasc4
3 years 1 month ago

Man, what a terrible trade by wren! delgado has a 95 fastball, good curve only needed to work on his changeup and slider and he will be a #2 cubs get him for 10 years and we only get 10 starts out of dempster.

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

We don’t know if Delgado is going to the Cubs, all it says is he thinks he COULD be going.

TheLoLgen
3 years 1 month ago

He’s going if the trade is completed, story just updated

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

Obviously before I wrote that post. Still, horrible trade, just horrible.

ultimaparadox
3 years 1 month ago

Yea looking like Delgado… this is going to be an awful trade. I wouldnt be surprised if Delgado out pitches Dempster the rest of the season.

Stoibs
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah, I think that is entirely possible. This certainly will raise the perceived immediate price of trades that will occur in the next week for half year rentals. Let’s see how much money is going to the Braves as well. There may also be other pieces to the trade that we do not know about yet. It’s definitely a lot to give up.

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

I agree Hamels, Greinke, Shields and Garza will cost more in prospects. I am surprised the Cubs got Delgado for Dempster, Hoyer has done a good job.

Stoibs
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe we were making too much of the new cba rules. Maybe teams will become more desperate to improve now that so many teams are in the hunt. We’ll see I guess.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

That is quite likely to occur. So far this season Dempster has a 4.16 FIP and Randall has a 4.11 FIP.

3 years 1 month ago

When was the last time you looked? Dempster has a 3.28 FIP not 4.16.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

I made a mistake, I was looking at someone else. Dempster has a career FIP of 4.22, though he has been better this year.

YanksFanSince78
3 years 1 month ago

Wren may not understand sabermatics but it’s clear you don’t understand what you’re talking about, or at least not when it comes to reporting facts.

Dempster has a 3.28 FIP (2.11 ERA and 3.74 xFIP).

Not saying he’s worth Delgado but at least get the facts straight.

Bob Jeffries
3 years 1 month ago

His numbers aren’t good that of Delgado

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Disagree. I really liked Delgado, but Minor wasn’t going to get the deal done and Delgado hasn’t done anything to distance himself from the other horses we have coming up threw the system. Like O’Brien stated, we have a chance to re-sign Dempster in the short-term or not, but we’re also not giving up a huge package to get him, and we’re contending in the short-term.

Brv Rocks
3 years 1 month ago

why in the world would they want Dempster to sign an extension? Huge overpay by the Braves

erm016
3 years 1 month ago

Delgado is not a huge overpay.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

Heaven forbid them wanting a pitcher going through his career year and wanting to pitch at a reasonable price. I doubt we’ll need to sign him with all of the pitching coming in, but why is it a bad thing to want good, consistent pitchers pitching for you? Especially when all of the young pitching is either incredibly inconsistent or going under the knife (Vizcaino, Medlen, Beachy)?

3 years 1 month ago

What an ignorant trade! Delgado for Dempster. wow

Defiancy
3 years 1 month ago

It said COULD be going, not is going.

Red_Line_9
3 years 1 month ago

The Cubs have always had such success dealing with Atlanta.

inkstainedscribe
3 years 1 month ago

Of the young starters, Delgado may be both the most marketable right now and the easiest one to replace. Vizcaino and Teheran should be ML-ready next year, Gilmartin’s a 2013 candidate for callup, and Minor will either figure it out and remain in the rotation or be traded by the start of next season. If Beachy can come back before the ASB next year, the rotation should be fine, whether or not Dempster re-signs.

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Regardless of what’s left for next season, Delgado is an overpay.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

So long, Demp – you’ll always have a place in Cubs fans’ hearts. Now go get a ring!

JoeCroninAndRonSanto
3 years 1 month ago

It would be great for Tim Hudson, Old Chipper, and Demp to win together.