Latest On Trade Talks Between Mariners, Rays

FRIDAY: Taijuan Walker‘s name is once again at the center of trade talks surrounding Price, reports Heyman. He adds that Tampa has also expressed interest in the likes of corner infield prospect D.J. Peterson and James Paxton, neither of which is particularly surprising; Peterson and Paxton are two of the top young players in Seattle’s system.

The two sides are discussing various iterations of deals for Price, Zobrist or both. Heyman adds that Seattle might be willing to include Brad Miller in a deal as well, given the emergence of Triple-A shortstop Chris Taylor. The M’s, however, have said they won’t deal Mike Zunino.

THURSDAY, 9:51pm: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that the Mariners’ talks with the Rays have been more focused on Zobrist than Price, and the two sides have been discussing Zobrist “for weeks.” Nick Franklin‘s name has frequently come up in talks, he adds.

Heyman also reports that the Mariners have spoken to the Twins about Josh Willingham and the White Sox about Dayan Viciedo, and he notes that he, too, has heard Byrd’s name in learning of the Mariners’ trade talks. One big league source tells Heyman, however, that a deal for Byrd is now “less than likely” due to his no-trade clause.

He also adds that the Mariners’ ownership group is very big on bringing in players who want to be in Seattle. Offseason comments by Price’s agent about his client not wanting to sign a long-term deal in Seattle seem to indicate that Price doesn’t fit that description. However, the team’s status as a legitimate postseason contender may have changed Price’s thinking on that front.

2:10pm: Though no deal is imminent, the Mariners have been engaged in ongoing discussions with the Rays regarding lefty David Price and utilityman Ben Zobrist, reports Jon Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links). Meanwhile, talks have stalled with the Phillies regarding Marlon Byrd.

Needless to say, Price and Zobrist both represent potential impact to contenders. Either player could presumably add value to just about every roster in baseball. That holds particularly true for Seattle, which could not only pair Price with current ace Felix Hernandez but would be able to play Zobrist at shortstop, outfield, or even first base.

Of course, the return for either — and, especially, both — would figure to be substantial. (It is not clear from Morosi’s report whether the two would be joined in any potential deal, or indeed whether the sides have progressed that far.) Tampa is said to be interested in beating the return that the Cubs received for Jeff Samardzija, if it deals Price at all. Certainly, a hypothetical pairing of Price and Zobrist (both under control for next season) would require a bigger return on paper than was commanded by Samardzija and Jason Hammel.

Meanwhile, the news on Byrd makes sense in light of last night’s report from ESPN.com’s Jim Bowden, which indicated that Byrd would ask the Mariners to guarantee his $8MM option for 2016 in order to waive his no-trade clause. Seattle is one of just four teams on Byrd’s no-trade list.

Steve Adams contributed to this post.


364 Responses to Latest On Trade Talks Between Mariners, Rays Leave a Reply

  1. Jeff Miller 12 months ago

    Catching the A’s this season isn’t realistic. 8 back with 67 to play is quite a big lead. Even if the A’s played just over .500 the rest of the (34-33) that’s a 93-69 record. The M’s would need to play 42-25 to match that. Then you gotta factor in the Angels who are just 1.5 behind the A’s.

    • McNasty 12 months ago

      Look what the Dodgers did last year though. I’m sure it won’t be easy but it can be done.

    • Ryan Fawcett 12 months ago

      The M’s did go 40-27 over a recent stretch. So adding Price and Zobrist to a team that already accomplished that then going 42-25 isn’t out of the question. Regardless though I think the chase is for the WC I don’t see the M’s taking the division.

      • Jeff Miller 12 months ago

        Right, but that’s going under the assumption that both the A’s and Angels play no better than .500 for the next 67 games when they’ve got the 2 best records in baseball. It’s unlikely one of them plays .500 over the stretch, let alone both.

      • PWNdroia 12 months ago

        Remember, Price only adds success 1/5 days.

        • SteveHB 12 months ago

          Not entirely accurate. He is a lock to go 7 + which helps the pen stay fresh.

          • PWNdroia 12 months ago

            You might be right, but he still only pitches once every five days.

    • NickinIthaca 12 months ago

      Three years ago, two separate teams came back from 9 games back in September. If we should have learned anything by now, it’s that it ain’t over till it’s over.

      • SteveHB 12 months ago

        Not really accurate…you have to count in the fact that he is almost guaranteed to give you seven + innings every time out. He will add value to anyone’s bull pen as well

    • Nozm 12 months ago

      It can be done. If the M’s can have a breakout second half and continue to dominate with their pitching and defense. I do agree winning the division will be an uphill battle. Also let’s not forget the Angels are still wedged in there.

  2. TheoHoyer 12 months ago

    Isn’t Chris Taylor a shortstop? I believe the Rays have Hak-Ju Lee at AAA, but I think he’s struggling. But I suppose as the Cubs have shown, you can never have enough SS prospects..

    EDIT: Also – Price’s value goes way, way, way down if they trade for him now, and then try to flip him at the deadline next July.

    • John Kreese 12 months ago

      I’m not sure what the Rays have but Taylor is a guy on the rise in the M’s organization. Just won the MVP of the PCL All-Star Game. With Miller, Franklin, etc they have some SS options in the SEA organization.

      If I’m SEA it’s a risk I take. Sure Price’s value goes down but you’d still get a nice player for him at the ’15 deadline.

    • Trock 12 months ago

      I think the Cubs are making it a goal to have as many SS prospects they can possibly take!

    • docmilo5 12 months ago

      The Rays also have Beckham, LOL. Hak-Ju hasn’t hit in AAA, how is he going to hit in the majors? Taylor is a better SS. The M’s can trade either Miller or Taylor. Add that to Franklin, Walker and a few more arms like Diaz (who was throwing 97 in the 6th last night in Clinton), Sanchez, Pries, Pike and even Elias or Erasmo could be part of a package. The M’s have the pieces and it won’t leave the cupboards bare.

      • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

        Some of those pieces can also be dealt to the Rockies by dealing couple prospects from either of those two teams to the Rays, Morneau heading to the Mariners to play first base and at times DH to give Hart a day off. Morrison, Smoak, and/or Montero is another piece that Rockies should be thinking about. Disregard on Chase Headley as he is not worth to acquire.

        • docmilo5 12 months ago

          Headley? He is so 2012. Headley will never be what he was. No thanks.

          • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

            Other option is Justin Morneau as he’s better than Headley recently w/ the Rockies by not costing too much to acquire.

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            Morneau would be nice. Not sure the Rockies are looking to move him and his reasonable contract. Getting better talent is the key, the M’s biggest need is corner OF with a RHB being the preference.

          • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

            What will it cost to acquire him and Carlos Gonzales to Seattle w/o sending Paxton, nor Walker? Rockies need pitching after major injury by Chatwood.

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            Not a chance. The Rockies may not be interwsted in moving Morneau. Cargo isn’t in discussion.

          • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

            Morneau for mid level prospects that have depth at some postions and are not getting too much attention like DJ Peterson, Taylor, and Tyler Pike would make sense for both teams.

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            Peterson and Taylor are top prospects. Taylor will be part of a package for a big deal top return. Morneau could be that if he’s available. DJ isn’t going anywhere.

          • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

            Kivelhan is a better piece for a mid tier prospect and outfielder Jabari Blash or Dario Pizzano for Morneau. How about that deal?

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            If you can get Dowd to do that deal, Seattle fans will write stories and sing songs about you. You may even get your own bobblehead.

  3. TheoHoyer 12 months ago

    Agreed, but I think Z is on the hot seat and would include Peterson to land both Price and Zobrist for 1.5 seaons.

    • McNasty 12 months ago

      There is no way. He just went on record saying he would not trade Peterson and I think he would want to hold onto what little credibility he has left or is starting to build back.

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        He said he has no intention of trading Peterson. A good GM listens on everyone. For instance, if the Marlines offered Stanton for Peterson, Z would be a fool to say no.

        • McNasty 12 months ago

          Well obviously, but we are not talking about Stanton here. We are talking about 1.5 years of talent as opposed to numerous cost controlled years with Peterson. Come on, I’m sure you know how high Z gets on right handed power.

        • cjr45 12 months ago

          It is Marlins not Marlines and Peterson is not considered an elite prospect. It would take at least one elite prospect to get Stanton.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Yeah yeah yeah. I saw that and didn’t edit it. Anyway, it all depends on what you consider an elite prospect and that wasn’t a serious trade proposal – it was simply an example of when a GM says a guy is untouchable, he’s never trouble untouchable because another GM could always make an overpay.

            Peterson’s bat is considered elite. The only thing keeping him out of the top 20 is his defense.

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        He said he had no intention of trading Peterson. That’s not the same thing. The right GM listens to all trade proposals and nothing is off limits. There’s just an overpay that would need to happen. As a Mariners fan, would I trade Felix? I wouldn’t plan to. But if the Cubs called and offered Rizzo, Bryant, Russell, Almorra, and Soler, we’d be foolhardy to not make that deal.

    • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

      Z is not on the hot seat anymore. M’s will give him an extension at the end of the year.

  4. cyberboo 12 months ago

    For both Price and Zobrist, I can see the M’s giving up both Paxton, Walker, Franklin, Montero, and perhaps Ackley, since he needs a change of scenery to progress again.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Ackley and Montero at this point have extremely low value. Each alone might net a toolsy reliever. If that.

      • Encarnacion's Parrot 12 months ago

        What is a toolsy reliever?

        • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

          A reliever who in the offseason is also handy around the house.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          A relief pitcher who throws hard but doesn’t necessarily have command at the time (like what Danny Farquhar was when the Mariners got him, or what Brandon Maurer is right now).

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            Maurer is a beast. He’s shooting lasers from his eyes and spite fireballs from his back side. I think he’s got rabies since they moved him to the pen.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          A relief pitcher who throws hard but doesn’t necessarily have command at the time (like what Danny Farquhar was when the Mariners got him, or what Brandon Maurer is right now).

        • AaronAngst 12 months ago

          A figment of his imagination. Folks tend to get hung-up on scout-speak, and often use it in ways that aren’t appropriate.

        • AaronAngst 12 months ago

          A figment of his imagination. Folks tend to get hung-up on scout-speak, and often use it in ways that aren’t appropriate.

    • Donald Munson 12 months ago

      Does Montero have any value left?

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        None. Neither does Ackley for that matter. They’re both replacement value.

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        No.

      • docmilo5 12 months ago

        Yes, to the M’s at this point. He’s Hart insurance at DH, has an option for next year and doesn’t have to be moved. He’s starting to mash in Tacoma.

    • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

      I doubt the M’s are giving up both Walker and Paxton. Elias is losing his effectiveness and his innings will likely be limited. Who would the M’s put in his place? Erasmo? Maurer? That’s tantamount to an automatic loss and the M’s are trying to win as many games possible. It’s probably something like Walker, Franklin, Peterson, and Sanchez or something like that. Throw in Smoak and Ackley for all I care.

      • docmilo5 12 months ago

        Peterson isn’t going anywhere. I could see them moving Kivlehan or Romero, just not DJ.

        Edit: and Taylor or Miller

      • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

        Make a three team trade w/ the Rockies by receiving Justin Morneau & David Price (his teammate Guyer or minor leaguer in AAA from the Rays to Colorado is a good fit). Rockies should get Maurer or Pryor to be a setup man/future closer.

    • Dogham 12 months ago

      No thank you sir. Can’t have both Paxton and Walker – there are other pitchers further down in AA and A they can have.

    • docmilo5 12 months ago

      Wow. I don’t know what to say to that.

  5. FOmeOLS 12 months ago

    That would be a great pickup for the Mariners, possibly enough to win the division, but oh how expensive that would be!

    • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

      I think the package will be something like Walker, Franklin or Taylor, Wilson + either Sanchez or Pike. That will give the Rays three-four of our top 10 prospects. In my opinion that is more than what the A’s paid so it makes sense. I think the M’s system is still deep enough that it doesn’t hurt that bad.

      • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

        It would kill your franchise. You’d be successful for a couple of seasons, but then, after David Price refuses to sign any extension with Seattle, as he said he would do, what are you left with? You gave up all the young guys who would be ready by 2016…

        • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

          Well first of all Walker, Paxton and Franklin do not count as “prospects” anymore as they have had enough service time.

          M’s system will be left with Jackson, DJ, Diaz, Ghora, Morban, Marte, etc., The system will still have a few high upside guys. Jackson, DJ, Diaz and Ghora are all potential (or already are) top 100 type of prospects.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          You’d at least get draft comp, be left with some of the leftovers, and Alex Jackson!

        • Jim Johnson 12 months ago

          But don’t you almost have to go for it during Cano’s good years? Cano is on the wrong side of 30. That contract is going to be an albatross around their necks for years to come. If they aren’t going all in now, what are you paying Cano 20+ million dollars a year for? To be a very expensive, very good player on a team that just misses the playoffs? Or maybe just makes the playoffs, but really only has a puncher’s chance of going anywhere?

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            But will Seattle be that much more of contenders with Price in the mix? Especially if they give up their best trade pieces for pitching when what they need is offense?

          • Jim Johnson 12 months ago

            Any team with arguably the two best pitchers in baseball are serious contenders in the playoffs.

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            The M’s need to score more than the other team. Improve where ever you can. If it means giving up fewer runs, so be it. Get the best talent you can. Who would want to face a rotation with Felix, Price, Iwakuma and Paxton in 5 or 7 game series?

        • docmilo5 12 months ago

          Not just successful for a couple of seasons, this deal would give the M’s a good shot at making it deep into the playoffs. What is one WS worth?
          The M’s don’t need a lot to be ready for 2016. Their major league roster is very, very young. The M’s need to get a legit LFer and someone to stabilize 1B. They have a solid bullpen full of young guys. What would a projected 2016 lineup look like?
          1B Peterson/Morrison
          2B Cano
          SS Miller/Taylor whoever doesn’t get traded/Smith
          3B Seager
          LF Romero/Kivlehan
          CF Jones
          RF Saunders/Guerrero
          C Zunino/Sucre/Hicks
          Hmmm, that’s about what we have right now. I was going to try to add Zobrist, but he’s only signed thru next year. Or does he have an option?

        • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

          What baseball needs is to move the amateur draft to six weeks later as some picks will be dealt w/ teams impacting the playoff races & being sellers just like in NBA & NFL should the new commish work out the plan.

  6. Jeff Miller 12 months ago

    Even if Byrd wanted his 3rd year picked up, the Phillies should be willing to pay that if the return is good enough. If the deal is Edwin Diaz and either Gabby Guerrero or Austin Wilson, that should be enough to warrant sending $10M ($8M for 2016 and $2M for 2015).

    • timpa 12 months ago

      Cliff Lee + Byrd makes more sense. It’ll be cheaper in terms of prospects for Seattle while giving them more competitiveness in the present and holding onto their key pieces for the future.

      Price ends up being a big overpay for 1.5 years of service. In terms of just Byrd Phillies should pay whatever it costs since it’s just money. You can’t throw tons of money into the draft anymore. Might as well use it to get prospects in a trade.

      • GD 12 months ago

        Cole Hamels and Byrd might be safer bet than Lee at this point. But I totally agree.

        Seattle pays WAY LESS for a Philly’s Ace SP and Byrd than Price and Zobrist.

        • Jeff Miller 12 months ago

          I don’t see how it would be less for Hamels and Byrd, let alone way less. Hamels is signed through 2018 with an option for 2019 while Price is only controlled through next year. Zobrist and Byrd are owed similar money through next year and Byrd is more productive at this point.

      • flyerzfan12 12 months ago

        All depends on Cliff Lee’s health too, no way anyone trades for him til they see him pitch in the majors. I don’t see him getting moved til August or the offseason.

  7. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    Get ready, Mariners fans! This very realistically could cost Tai Walker, Nick Franklin, DJ Peterson, Austin Wilson, and Chris Taylor!

    • McNasty 12 months ago

      BOOOOO. Keep Taylor and Peterson and give them Ackley, E Ram, Montero, and Ketel Marte.

    • Tony Matias 12 months ago

      I will never be ready for the cost of THOSE players for THESE rentals. M’s need to make a move, but this move could smack of a Bavasi type ending depending on who’s given up.

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        Yep. There are only two players in baseball that I would give up both Tai and DJ for and neither of those two guys play for the Tampa Bay Rays. One is in our division, and one is in the same state as the Rays…!

        • McNasty 12 months ago

          Trout and Stanton?

          • Tony Matias 12 months ago

            Yup.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            For both of those guys? Yep. Well. Maybe McCutcheon too.

          • McNasty 12 months ago

            And Tulo?

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            No. Too injury prone. For me, for Tulo, it’s one or the other.

          • GD 12 months ago

            Exactly! Plus Stanton would be a LONG TERM franchise player for us. That’s the type of player you give up our Farms Top Prospects for!

        • Tony Matias 12 months ago

          Ohhhhh… Giancarlo!!

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      Too many fans forget that the cost of David Price is the entire future to their franchise.

      Look at the Royals… they gave up Will Myers for James Shields… not a terrible move, as Shields has done really well… but they can’t find a stable right fielder (Myers, anyone?).

      Or the Giants… they gave up Zack Wheeler for a 3-month rental of Carlos Beltran…. I promise, Sabean would kill to have Wheeler over most of the arms on their rotation.

      The list goes on and on…

      Moral of the story: one guy is not worth the future of your team. The Mariners can easily find an upgrade at starting pitcher that won’t cost them everything they’ve got and then some. Whoever gets David Price will certainly get a good pitcher… but is it really worth it?

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        If I’m the Mariners FO, I wouldn’t give up more than Walker and a quality lower-minors lotto ticket (Gabby Guerrero or Edwin Diaz, for example) for Price. And if Price walks before 2016, well, the Mariners get a draft to replenish a bit of what they gave up for a couple hopeful playoff runs.

        For Zobrist, I would not give up more than a Nick Franklin/Chris Taylor type and the same sort of lottory ticket described above. Zobrist is worth less than Price as well, since he would surely take a QO in his mid-30s once his current deal runs out, and by that point he won’t be worth it (most likely), so no draft comp.
        So if I’m the Mariners GM, I offer Walker, Franklin, Diaz, and Guerrero. If Friedmann says no, I offer the above individually and see if he says yes. Otherwise, I walk away.

      • Tired_OF_FakeRumors 12 months ago

        Bartolo Colon will not be expensive and he has been pretty good this year except for some bad starts.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          He’ll be expensive in money. Isn’t he owed 11 million next year? A lot for a guy in his early 40s.

      • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

        You know this goes both ways right? A few years ago the Tigers gave up 2 top 10 prospects, which are higher ranked than any in the M’s system currently, for a 2 year “rental” named Miguel Cabrera and that has worked out pretty nicely for them.

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          Except Miguel Cabrera was willing to sign an extension with Detroit… we don’t even know if Price will sign an extension with Seattle… all we know now is that before the season, he said he wouldn’t… that might certainly change, but what we know as of now, he might not.

          • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

            Except Cabrera was traded on Dec. 4, 2007 and didn’t sign his extension until March 24, 2008 after agreeing to a one year deal in Jan. of 2008 to avoid arbitration.

      • docmilo5 12 months ago

        If the cost of Price was the entire future of the franchise, then the franchise wouldn’t be very good and acquiring Price right now wouldn’t be a good move. However, it’s not the entire franchise. Peterson very likely isn’t going anywhere so it’s going to cost Walker, an MLB ready SS, an MLB ready 2nd baseman and 3 more quality MiLB pieces. That should get Zobrist, too.

  8. DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

    Man if the M’s pull off this trade they could be a dark horse for the world series. No team will want to face a rotation of Felix/Kuma/Price/Young/Paxton in the playoffs. All the M’s will have to do is scratch and claw a run or two.

    • GD 12 months ago

      We also have Elias club controlled for the next 5.5 years!

      • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

        Elias is on an innings limit. He wont start in the playoffs

    • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

      Asking the Ms to scratch and claw a run or two is asking a lot.

  9. Steven Northrup 12 months ago

    As long as they don’t trade Paxton or DJ I’m fine with them getting price and Zobrist. Walker and Franklin would be the center pieces going to Tampa along with 3 other solid prospects (Noriega and Taylor come to mind). And before Mariner fans say that is too much we could trade Price in the off season to recoup our losses.

    • agureghian 12 months ago

      I think it’ll take much more than Walker, Franklin + lesser specs.

    • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

      I think a package of: Walker, Franklin or Taylor, Wilson + either Sanchez or Pike can get it done. Trust me you don’t want Noriega he does not walk at all. I think this year is a fluke with how well he has been hitting.

    • Ryan Fawcett 12 months ago

      Agreed, Paxton and Peterson are the only untouchables for me. Giving up Walker I can live with especially if we geta proven guy like Price in return. Guys like Franklin, Ackley, Smoak, Montero, Taylor and many others are guys that I’d take the risk in sending out to make a run this year and next.. Keep Paxton and Peterson though.

      • JohnDavidWSU 12 months ago

        I agree completely. When healthy, I like what I’ve seen from Paxton far more than Walker to this point.

  10. David King 12 months ago

    As a M’s Fan the very most I trade is Walker, Elias, Franklin, Marlette and Medina/Pryor and could possibly throw in Jesus Montero or Erasimo Ramirez or I move on and Tampa can wait out for a better package

  11. DickieThong 12 months ago

    If Ruben Amaro Jr. was the Rays GM, I could see that happening.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Instead, they deal with the extremely smart Rays FO.

    • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

      Hearing the name Ruben Amaro Jr. reminds me of his track record….Wasn’t he a journeyman outfielder before he finally ended up on the Phils or was it the other way around…?

  12. El Guapo 12 months ago

    Price is not worth the overpay. He doesn’t want to play in Seattle and won’t re-sign here. Zobrist is fine. The second that Ken Rosenthal recommended the David Price to the Mariners trade a week or two, you knew the trade was a bad idea. Anything Rosenthal recommends, do the opposite.

    • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

      I’m not sure I’d want another $25MM pitcher long-term anyway. I’d rather put that money towards plugging a couple holes in the offense.

    • John Evans 12 months ago

      Ken Rosenthal seems to think he should be the Mariners’ GM. He’d be far worse at it than Bavasi.

  13. Mike M 12 months ago

    The Mariners haven’t been good in forever, if they have the chance to get Price and Zobrist then need to do whatever it takes. Its not like they have a Buxton or Kris Bryant. Everyone should be on the table.

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      My fear for the Mariners is that they are panicking. They want to win (everyone does)… so they run out and they give up everything to win. And here’s the thing… they’ll win for a couple of years. You have a few more years of solid production from Cano, but not 9… you’ll have 1.5 good years with Price before he keeps to his word about extending his contract. But what’s after that?

      The Cubs, Astros, and Marlins could be some of the best teams in baseball in 3-4 years… and their GMs all know it. Everyone is giving them the best young talent in baseball for players who are definitely good, but now the Cubs have the best of the best when it comes to future players they can develop.

      The Mariners have one of the best farm systems in baseball… wiping it out for David Price would be an absolutely foolish move.

      • xthetouristx 12 months ago

        It is literally impossible for the Mariners to wipe out their farm for Price. They cannot trade Alex Jackson or Gareth Morgan. And they won’t trade all of Walker, Peterson, Paxton, Taylor, Franklin, Wilson, Sanchez, Pike, Diaz, Gohara, Missaki, Guerrero, O’Neill, Marlette, etc. In fact I’d be surprised (and disgusted) if a deal happened that had more than 3 of the guys listed above.

  14. Quikmix 12 months ago

    shouldn’t they be looking to trade for some additional offense?

    • McNasty 12 months ago

      That would be Zobrist.

    • David King 12 months ago

      Zobrist isn’t a pitcher

    • stl_cards16 12 months ago

      Adding wins is adding wins, doesn’t matter where it comes from. Zobrist and Price would give the M’s a great shot at the playoffs. That would be a scary rotation to be facing in a playoff series.

  15. i'm me .. 12 months ago

    the M’s are gonna pay. Sky Walker. Dj Paterson. Paxton. Brad Miller or Chris Taylor would be in talks with another such as Ketel Marte. – The M’s will be prospect broke.

  16. Nick Cannon 12 months ago

    Sucks for Rays fans to lose either

  17. Mike M 12 months ago

    I particularly like how M’s fans are saying that back-end top 50 (or not even at all) prospects are untouchable for 1.5 years of David Price.

    • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

      Bill Bavasi is fresh in their minds.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      I think it’s more like a top 10 guy (Walker) along with two or three guys who’ve been top 50 (Peterson, Franklin, Paxton). No one of those guys alone is untouchable for Price. Where Mariners fans are balking is when two or three of them are suggested for 1.5 years of Price. That’s 18 collective years of blue-chippers for 1.5 years of Price. It’s pretty easy math.

      • McNasty 12 months ago

        I would hope they can keep Paxton. Quality cost controlled lefty. If they trade both Paxton and Walker, I would be pretty upset/disgusted.

      • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

        If you look at past deals for top SP and it takes multiple blue chippers. Shields cost a top 5 and a top 75. Jimenez cost 2 top 50. Garza to the Cubs cost a top 30 and top 100. Garza to the Rangers cost a top 30 and one year removed top 25. Samardzija just took a top 5. Price is better than all of these other pitchers and will cost a lot.

  18. Nozm 12 months ago

    The advantages have to far outweigh the disadvantages. Surely Paxton and Walker would be pursued by Tampa.
    I’m really not warm to the trade esp. in light of David Price’s comments during the offseason about not wanting to sign an extension with Seattle should he end up here.

  19. LALSEADEN 12 months ago

    This would make us the odds on favorite for the WC in my opinion. However, i would only like for them to do this if Price agrees to an extension prior to trade. And hope we don’t give up an entire truck load of prospects, other then the customary overpay. Go M’s!

    • RyanWKrol 12 months ago

      They need more offense if they want to compete with the A’s and Angels. Both teams have struck big against league aces. Even though pitching rules the game in general, a dangerous offense is always the bigger potential threat.

      • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

        I disagree. What wins in the post season is pitching. We just had a three game series with the A’s where our pitching dominated that series. The Ms need a difference maker on offense and I just find any available hitters making a huge difference this year. They will just have to find hitting during the offseason. Besides zobrist will be a welcomedaddition to fill in for Ackley or Chavez

    • Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

      Mariners should also go after Chris Carter of the Astros or Justin Morneau of the Rockies as an inexpensive pickup that can propel the team at least to the ALCS.

  20. Ashemnat99 12 months ago

    Seems kind of silly to let guaranteeing Byrd’s option stand in the way as it’s a pretty easily reached option to begin with. Anyone trading for him would almost assuredly be paying that option. They had to know this going in.

  21. WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 12 months ago

    Mariners have the pieces but is it really worth trading all their pitching depth for a Price? Their rotation is already one of the best and offense has been more of a problem.

    • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

      Ms need more pitching as Elias is on an innings limit and young has not thrown near 200 innings in forever. Have to worry about his durability going forward

    • MB923 12 months ago

      A’s traded their top prospect for Samardzja to improve their rotation which was already one of the best. “You can never have too much pitching”.

      • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

        The A’s had one big kink: their fifth starter… they had given starts to like 3 or 4 other guys all season… Samardzija creates a very, very good situation for their fifth starter (not necessarily their #5 starter, just their fifth role). Now you have a rotation of Gray-Shark-Kazmir-Chavez-Hammel. They sent Milone and Pomeranz down to Sacramento…

        And not to mention, the Samardzija trade made Oakland just that much more competitive and even more of a contender.

        The Price trade definitely doesn’t lift Seattle to #1 in their division, and I’m not sure it even makes them #2 in the West. It’s not that you can’t have too much pitching… it’s that you can if pitching isn’t what you need. Seattle needs offense and maybe a back-of-the-rotation starter. Why buy a Ferrari when a Camry will do just fine?

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          The Mariners have the best run prevention in baseball so far this year. If they play the A’s in the playoffs, and if the Mariners trade for Price, they’d have to play against Felix and Price each twice. That’s two top-5 pitchers. And Iwakuma is no slouch. And the Mariners have a fantastic defense that only helps the pitching out.

          Pitching and defense wins championships as long as the offense isn’t totally incapable (which is why the title also mentions Zobrist, Byrd, and Willingham).

  22. Nathan Walter 12 months ago

    So when David Price holds to his word and refuses a contract extension and becomes a free agent in 2016, what will the Mariners have to show for it? No farm system and no top-level pitcher who they gave up their farm for? Yeah, not worth it.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Two playoff runs and a draft compensation pick.

    • Kaij 12 months ago

      Price said he wouldn’t sign an extension with Seattle when they were viewed as one of the worst teams in baseball but now that is not the case.

    • faceforest 12 months ago

      Welcome to the Rays front office. They make out like a fox in the hen house.

  23. WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 12 months ago

    If it falls through the AL West would be exactly the same as it is today.

    • Daniel Rajan 12 months ago

      You don’t think competition in the AL West increases if the Mariners land Price and Zobrist? Fernandez, Price, Iwakuma, Paxton, Walker. I think the Mariners could make a run at the A’s and Angels with Price and Zobrist.

      • JohnDavidWSU 12 months ago

        Of course he does. If the deal “falls through”, it doesn’t happen. If a deal is completed, things get interesting.

        • Daniel Rajan 12 months ago

          Wow. My mistake. Hahaha.

          • JohnDavidWSU 12 months ago

            Haha no problem–let’s hope something happens! Walker would most certainly be included in this deal if it happened, but I definitely like the idea of a rotation including Hernandez, Price, Iwakuma, and Paxton.

          • Bertin Lefkovic 12 months ago

            I think that you have to give up both Paxton and Walker plus Franklin and a fourth, marginal player like Montero (How are Loney’s splits against lefties?) to get both Price and Zobrist. The Mariners should still do it if they get a 72hr negotiating window with both. If they can’t lock them up long-term, they shouldn’t do the deal.

  24. Dave Bara 12 months ago

    I would build the deal around Walker and Roenis Elias. He’s been a revelation this year but he’s 25 and he’s fading as the season goes along. A rotation of Hernandez, Price, Iwakuma, Paxton, and Young would be awesome.
    On the position player side, I would make any of Miller, Taylor, Franklin, Montero (who’s numbers are improving), Ackley, Romero, Austin Wilson, or Almonte available, pick any two. I would NOT include Zunino or Petersen in any deal.
    Lastly I would throw in a RHR reliever from the group of Medina, Farquhar, Wilhelmsen, Pryor, or even Ramirez.
    So that makes it a 5-for-2, say Walker, Elias, Franklin, Montero, and Medina.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      If I’m Friedman and I get that offer, I take Walker, Elias, Miller, Wilson, and Pryor and say thanks a ton.

  25. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    I believe John Sickels agrees with you on one of those since his mid-year rankings just included Walker and Paxton….

  26. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    Ah, but you’re taking his comments out of context already and applying them to a situation we don’t know existed when he made that comment. If you’re the Mariners, and if I can get Price for Peterson straight up, you do it.

  27. agureghian 12 months ago

    You’re dealing with the Rays, not the D-Backs.

  28. Nathan Walter 12 months ago

    So you’re giving up players on the hopes of a playoff run… in which, even with David Price, you still might not be a top 2 team in your division… (obviously that’s just a projection, not a cold hard fact)

    I think the Mariners are way more than a David Price and Ben Zobrist away from being a serious WS contender. Hold on to your future.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Yes, most teams do that when making deadline deals.
      In my scenary, are you against trading Walker in general? Franklin has no place with the Mariners and lottery ticket players are far from sure things.
      And hey look, the farm would still have DJ Peterson, Chris Taylor, Alex Jackson, James Paxton (until he loses rookie status with the M’s), Luiz Gohara, etc. When you’ve still got that much, you can afford to trade for a multi-year rental or two.

      • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

        I’m aware of what teams do for rentals… and hindsight is obviously 20-20… you think the Giants wish they gave up Zack Wheeler? Or the Royals gave up Will Myers (even if their acquisition is putting them back on the map)?

        I’m not a Mariners fan, but as I stated, the Mariners are several pieces away from being World Series contenders than acquiring David Price and having him for a season and a half. The young players they have now can do them very well in 3-4 years… giving up the best of those young players wouldn’t be wise for a team that seems to have a lot of pressure to win soon.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          Debatable that Walker is the best of the young players with Peterson and Jackson in the system and a recent shoulder injury….

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            “The best” as in multiple players… you take what the Mariners have, take the top 2 or 3 and give it to the Rays, I don’t think their a top farm system much longer.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Jackson is probably the best player in the system and cannot be traded. Peterson likely will not be traded. They are two of the best three in the system, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that the Mariners would be giving up all three of those….

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            Most of the lists (Baseball America, MLB, Keith Law, and more) seem to have Walker as not only the top prospect in Seattle’s farm, but one of the best in baseball… I doubt they complete a trade sans Walker. That’s where the top prospects/MLB-ready talent comes into play… from the guys who look at this stuff for a living.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Firstly: Most of the lists do not include 2014 draft picks. I’ve not yet seen one that did. Secondly: Law is actually down on Walker recently, says the Mariners should cash out now, and that he’s more likely a closer at this point. Thirdly: this is all dependent on whether or not Walker’s shoulder, which sidelined him for nearly 3 months, beginning when pitchers and catchers reported to spring training, is healthy. Fourthly: a lot of guys do not like ranking pitchers and hitters on ths same list because pitchers are inherently more frail than hitters.

          • Tom 12 months ago

            The mid season lists do include 2014 draftees. For example Michael Conforto the 10th pick was ranked in the 30s on Keith Law’s list.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Not all of them. For example, John Sickels’ list does not.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            It is literally impossible for the Mariners to give up their best hitting/position player prospect now. Because he was drafted in 2014. So they cannot give up their top 2 or 3 this year. *shrug* Anyway, probably 2 or 3 of the guys being given up in any proposed deal would have lost their prospect status before the 2014/2015 offseason anyway – meaning the depth that would have shown in all of the lists would still exist. There just might be 2 or 3 fewer guys who are currently 11-20 in the system. This wouldn’t gut the system. It would hurt it a little, but it’d still be a top 15 system.

        • docmilo5 12 months ago

          Hmmm, several pieces? Like Price, Paxton, Zobrist?

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            Price and Zobrist add 3-5 wins… but Oakland’s not done dealing, nor are the Angels… so, yeah, the Mariners get better… but these trades don’t exactly get them a leg up on the rest.

          • docmilo5 12 months ago

            They don’t need to get a leg up on Anaheim or Oakland. The M’s just need to get into the playoffs, even if that’s a one game WC and have better pitching with Felix, Price, Iwakuma and Paxton. Once in the playoffs, pitching wins!

    • King Kyle 12 months ago

      Saying they aren’t a top 2 team in the division is, for obvious reasons, a bit deceptive, and not a good indicator of whether they should make upgrades or not. In fact, the teams they are in competition with are outside the division (It’s unlikely they will catch either OAK or LAA), so not too relevant.

  29. Nathan Walter 12 months ago

    Peavy, De La Rosa, Kennedy… there’s three guys off the bat who could be upgrades.

    And if you really want to be bold, go for Jon Lester… local guy and constantly on the rumor mill (although I’m not sure Boston would actually listen to a pitch for him)

    • JohnDavidWSU 12 months ago

      Since Lester is a free agent and Boston is going nowhere, it wouldn’t hurt to listen. Since their extension talks have halted for now, they may be interested in getting a few prospects for him now and trying to re-sign him after the season. Since he is from Puyallup as you said, perhaps the M’s could keep him home and sign him long term.

  30. Mike M 12 months ago

    Lots of comments about how the M’s have one of the best farm systems in all of MLB but I can’t find anything that backs that up. A quick google search shows them between #15 and #20 in most rankings.

    • David King 12 months ago

      Thats cause most rankings don’t include Walker, Paxton,Elias, Franklin anymore and might not include Dj Peterson yet also.

    • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 12 months ago

      Prospect/farm system ranking are one of the most subjective aspects of baseball. Most agree that the M’s have the type of close to MLB ready pitching prospects that the Rays want.

    • RyanWKrol 12 months ago

      A fall in farm system rankings is also determined by major league ready prospects being called up and contributing, even if they somehow are optioned back to AAA. They are no longer prospects. A minor league system can be ranked very low but that doesn’t mean a team doesn’t have young pieces to deal for a David Price. There’s prospects, and then there’s major league ready talent, which is always more valuable.

    • harmony55 12 months ago

      Seattle fairs much better in a ranking of players 25 years old or younger and with five or six years of team control. The Mariners have dropped in prospect rankings in the past year because the M’s have promoted so many young prospects.

    • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

      They arent any more, but they have some pieces to get a big deal done if they want.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      That’s because a lot of guys have graduated very recently. Also Alex Jackson isn’t being ranked much lately. They currently have a ridiculous amount of fantastic players under one full year of service time though, or no service time! (Walker, Paxton, Miller, Zunino, Franklin, Peterson, Wilson, Jackson, Taylor, Morgan, Diaz, Gohara, Pike, Missaki, Guerrero, Marlette, etc.)

    • WLS 12 months ago

      It would also say that the Boston Red Sox are current World Champs. Doesn’t look like it this year.

  31. disadvantage 12 months ago

    I can’t picture a scenario where the Mariners improve enough to catch the A’s. Even with Price and Zobrist, the Mariners still have way too many holes to fill. Meanwhile, the A’s not only have a terrific starting cast, but tremendous depth and have a chance to get even better if Beane decides to make any other moves.

  32. Eric Berg 12 months ago

    I think the Rays would want more than that. Walker and Peterson are not “can’t miss” prospects.

    • JohnDavidWSU 12 months ago

      Well Peterson was regarded by many as the best hitter in the draft last year, and he is performing well thus far in Jackson, so he is probably as “can’t miss” as the M’s can offer. I agree on Walker. I’d say Paxton has looked far more polished when healthy in the small samples that we’ve seen.

  33. Kyle 12 months ago

    As an Angel fan I encourage the Mariners to please decimate their farm for Price. It not like it would not be a pitcher for a one game playoff. I do not want to see a rotation of Felix Kuma Walker Paxton and Young. That rotation would be just about the most dominate in all of baseball and they would have those pitchers for several years. I also would like to see Peterson and Chris Taylor gone as they have potential to be very good offensive pieces that could help their struggling offense. Edwin Diaz is a vey good young prospect (pitcher) I would like to see gone. Mariners come join the Angels and get an Horrible farm too!!!

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      To decimate means, literally, to reduce by 10%. That would be fine with me. 😉

      • Kyle 12 months ago

        The definition I was talking about was: to cause great destruction or harm to. (I got that from a dictionary so don’t tell me I am wrong) The word has many meaning and I was not talking about that.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          I guess words do change, but that’s what it means, directly from latin in its etymology.

          • Yankees420 12 months ago

            And the Latin etymology for the word egregious is “to stand out from the flock.” No one uses it in that sense because it’s an archaic definition. Just like your definition of decimate.

    • WLS 12 months ago

      Its good to break down trades from the other side. I am a Seattle fan.
      If I was TB Rays I would want James Paxton, DJ Peterson, Gab Guerrero & Luis Gohara.
      This is business, Seattle is trying to take your ace, so you take their future and make it your.

      Scouts know…Tai Walker has shoulder trouble.
      Scouts know…Miller & Franklin are not great at SS and the bats have not swung hot this year.
      Scouts know…DJ Peterson jacked a double off the wall in the Future’s game.
      Scouts know…Gab Guerrero is destined to be like his MVP uncle.

      I would want Paxton, who despite “no control” in the minors, has been amazing in the big leagues.
      DJ Peterson a possible 1B for Tampa for years to come and protection for Longoria and Myers.
      Gabby Guerrero looks like he could be very handy in RF.

  34. JCurrie39 12 months ago

    I’d like to remind you of the deals with prospects that Never work out. Cliff Lee anybody. But I’ll concede the fact that some trades do look very lopsided in the future. Bartolo Colon deal for Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips and Cliff Lee if I remember correctly. If you trust your GM you hope they make the deal. Though I’m not a M’s fan I don’t trust Jack Z.

  35. Karl Larson 12 months ago

    The M’s don’t need David Price. They need bats.

  36. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 12 months ago

    Okay, so what other team could match that right/left tandem? If the Mariners were to get Price, remember, it would be for next year too.

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      Dodgers (Kershaw & Greinke), Cardinals (Wainwright & Wacha), heck, even Oakland (Gray/Samardzija & Kazmir)… to name a few… then you think of teams with better pitching staffs in general… Atlanta (once Medlen and Beachy return from Tommy John), and maybe even Cincinnati (with a healthy Latos plus Cueto).

      Seattle would be very good with David Price… but everyone saying they would be the odds-on favorite to win the World Series with him? The Mariners need WAYYYYYY more pieces than David Price to contend for the World Series.

      • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

        No… Mariners dont have a guy by the name of King Felix or Iwakuma, or even Chris Young.

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          Never mind the fact that Seattle desperately needs bats. Lower middle team in runs scored, bottom of the barrel in batting average…

          David Price doesn’t help Seattle’s offense any.

          • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

            Im not saying they dont need bats, I agree that they do. Matt Joyce would be nice

      • Sky14 12 months ago

        Saying they are the favorite to win the WS and comparing a Felix and Price tandem to those players are two different things. Only the Dodgers have a tadem of L/R starters that would be comparable to Felix/Price which the original poster suggested. Not to mention Wainwright and Wacha are both righties.

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          Whoops… got the Wacha one wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. We’ll just move the Cardinals from L/R tandems to better pitching staffs.

          • Jordss 12 months ago

            Price Felix Iwakuma is better than the Cards either way

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 12 months ago

        Well, I didn’t say they’d be the odds on favorite to win anything. I do love them together as a right/left tandem though.

        Hernandez is better than Greinke; Kershaw is better than Price, so that’s a wash.

        I don’t think Seattle has enough pieces either to make a run, at least not this year. Now if they want to start adding in hopes of getting a wild card this year by picking up some players they can keep for next year too, I’m okay with that.

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          Adding Price when your biggest need is not pitching doesn’t make a lot of sense. In fact, if it weren’t for your pitching, you wouldn’t be in the playoff chase to begin with. And yeah, there’s not a ton of availability on top offensive players this deadline, but selling the best of their young talent for a piece they really don’t need doesn’t make a lot of sense.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Except the Mariners need another pitcher anyway. Yes, the pitching has been great, but Walker/Elias will be shut down for the playoffs, assuming we make it. The Mariners need another veteran arm that can pitch late into the season. Yes, we don’t need someone of Price’s caliber, but we do need that 4th arm.

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            I’ve said it already on this board, the Mariners would likely do better to go get a cheap arm than a guy like Price. Yeah, Price would be great and fun to watch… but it’s like buying a Ferrari when all you need is a Camry. No need to overspend. Use that young talent to make deals in the offseason or on actual needs… such as offense.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Agreed. But then again, what cheap arms are going to be out there? I don’t trust Colon tbqh.

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            Rumored… Kennedy, De La Rosa, Peavy (although I’m not sure how cheap Peavy will be), anyone from the Phillies (obviously not Lee or Hamels), Kevin Correia… other options: maybe a different Rays pitcher, Cubs pitchers such as Travis Wood; D-Backs pitchers, maybe even some San Diego pitchers… I don’t think there will be major shortages on starting pitching options.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Kennedy is going to cost a lot as well. DLR has had injury problems and while I have liked him in the past, IDK if he’s the kind of guy we’d need. Peavy is going to be a bidding war with other teams like the Cardinals. Didn’t think about Correia or Wood though. They are decent choices, but I’d rather go out for at least a #3 type pitcher, and IDK if either fit that bill.

          • Phillyfan425 12 months ago

            How about a Marlon Byrd + Kyle Kendrick combo? Byrd gives you offense, and KK gives you a reliable arm that will go 6-7 innings with 3-4 runs allowed most times. He’s a FA at the end of the year, so you’d be able to slot your young guns in there next year. I think a Edwin Diaz/Victor Sanchez + Austin Wilson combo would be a fair return.

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            Byrd hasn’t stated if he would waive his no-trade rights to Seattle yet… But should he waive them, that would be a MUCH better deal for Seattle than Price, as it’s significantly cheaper.

          • Phillyfan425 12 months ago

            When the Philly reporter asked him why Seattle was in there, he responded something along the lines of “it’s just something we put in there then”. There was no real reason given. And others have reported that he’d be willing to waive it. The sticking point (from the M’s side) seems to be that he wants his vesting option in 2016 to be guaranteed if he gets traded to one of the teams on his no trade list. It’s only an $8 M salary hit, but it’d be for his age 39 season – which I think is why the Mariners started looking elsewhere.

          • realDirtyDish 12 months ago

            Interesting because Kendrick is also from Mount Vernon, WA which is essentially a stones throw from my hous (a very long throw across a river but still)

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            If the Mariners aren’t trading Walker and Paxton, they wouldn’t want Kendrick. Marlon Byrd alone might fetch Victor Sanchez, though if Phildalphia kicked in like $2-$4m.

          • Kaij 12 months ago

            Walker would be active for the playoffs since he missed the first three months of the season

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            He could be, but he also will have to be shut down fairly early considering he is young and hasn’t really pitched over 150 innings in a healthy season (did about 155 last year).

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Come on Jack Z, trade for Ian Kennedy already!

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            IDK, if the Angels backed off from him because of a price tag, going for him could be meh.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            The Angels don’t have the system to buy him. I bet two of Sanchez/Diaz/Pike/Gohara and one of the lower minors logjammed middle infielders could get it done.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            Wins are wins. Replacing Elias with Price for 13 starts or so is probably a 2 win upgrade. Replacing Dustin Ackley with Ben Zobrist for close to 70 games is also probably a 2 win upgrade. Little bits add up when you’re replacing holes with good players.

      • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

        Felix/Price/Iwakuma would be the best 1-2-3 in baseball. Adding Young and Elias for this year would put it at probably the best rotation this year, assuming Young stays at his level and Elias doesn’t fall too much more. Next year, the 5th starter will be a question mark (assuming that Paxton/Walker would be traded in this deal), but still a top 5 rotation.

      • Ryan Fawcett 12 months ago

        When did Wacha start pitching left handed? No one is saying odds on favorite to win the WS…but rather the WC. You add one of the better lefties in the league to arguable the best righty and you have a top 3 (at worst) 1-2 punch. Not to mention the best #3 pitcher in MLB in Iwakuma.

  37. Kevin Larkin 12 months ago

    Montero, Smoak and Ackley have no value other than cheap contracts. Ackley might become a hitter but not the other two. Unless they play on the kickball field in the Bronx.

  38. RyanWKrol 12 months ago

    The whole point is to go for it. Sometimes you have to take a chance. Waiting around and hoarding prospects without dealing for game changing veterans can be just as harmful as unloading your farm system. I’d rather go for it then wait year after year for young players to mature, and then wake up at 50 realizing my team still hasn’t gone anywhere. There are 30 teams, which means in general you have a chance to win 1 World Series every 30 years.

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      But is the player you’re trading for what really puts you over the top and makes you a solid contender? That, in my view, is the key. While I like Addison Russell, it made sense that Oakland traded him for Samardzija and Hammel…. that move made them true contenders (although I would concede they were already contenders without the two)… is giving up Walker, Paxton, or whatever top young talent the Mariners have for a rental on a guy who likely won’t sign an extension really worth it? David Price makes Seattle better, sure… but does it make them solid contenders? I still don’t think so… they have way more important moves to make than a lefty who will cost more than he may actually be worth. I don’t even think Seattle moves out the #3 spot in their division with Price, as Oakland and LAA look to make more moves yet.

  39. RyanWKrol 12 months ago

    Yes. The Mariners are approaching the time where they need to take some chances. They have Mt. A’s and Mt. Angels to climb over.

  40. PWNdroia 12 months ago

    I still think the A’s edge them. Price will only pitch 1/5 days and the A’s are loaded. However, this could guarantee them the first WC spot in front of the Angels.

  41. Andy Grendahl 12 months ago

    The Mariners are loaded with great young talent, to land Price and/or Zobrist without affecting the core of the team is very possible.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      It depends on how much Friedmann’s demands are. I’d love to go after those two if Paxton, Peterson, Taylor, Wilson, and two of Diaz, Sanchez, and Gohara [and the obviously untradeable Alex Jackson and Gareth Morgan] could stay in the system.

  42. DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

    Please please please keep this going Z. I’d love to try and snag Jennings too, as he is like a RH Saunders (look at their offensive stats….they’re almost the same). But something like Franklin/Walker/Paxton/Guerrero/Wilson should be able to snag those 3. Maybe add another young arm like Diaz or Sanchez.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      No, it wouldn’t. This is not a video game. It would take more than that. It would probably take Peterson and Gohara as well to get all three. Jennings is young, very good, and cost controlled. It wouldn’t surprise me if his trade value is equal to or greater than Price.

      • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

        Beckett and Lowell didn’t even cost that much. That’d be 6-7 of the Mariners top 10 prospects, along with a former top prospect. That’s a HUGE price tag that wouldn’t be paid.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          Jennings is young and cost controlled and probably is similarly valuable to Lowell in that deal. Price is more valuable than Beckett was. And then there is Zobrist. Also, no matter how good Tai Walker could project, he’s still a pitcher and TINSTAAPP. He’s not Hanley. Even if his shoulder wasn’t an issue. There’s a reason he’s dropping in most prospects rankings and Law says he’s probably destined to close.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            I’m not saying they aren’t valuable. But they aren’t 7 top prospects from one team valuable. 5 is pretty up there (Paxton, Walker, Guerrero, Wilson, Diaz/Sanchez). I’d be willing to add both Diaz and Sanchez if the Rays added some other pitcher to the deal that is pitching in the majors, just to help with some sort of depth.

          • xthetouristx 12 months ago

            I’d be surprised if this happened. Partially because the two top guys you mentioned (Walker and Paxton) have had arm issues this year. Damaged goods mean more value has to be added elsewhere.

            Price alone might be worth Walker [Walker’s value is down, he’s falling on prospects list, his mechanics are apparently flawed making the pundits like him less, and he’s had shoulder issues], Franklin [his major league numbers are terrible and this might scare people off], and someone like Guerrero or Wilson.

            Jennings alone might be worth Paxton [lowered value, injury concern] and Peterson [limited in value as a likely 1B, blocked by Longo if he somehow manages to stick at 3B].

            Zobrist alone is probably worth two of Diaz, Gohara, and Sanchez [low minors, low floor, high ceiling guys who are more than two years away].

            It’s value for damaged value and lottery tickets. Although it looks like an overpay, it might not be. Of course, would I make that trade? No. I would not. I would go for guys who are valued less like Byrd, Kennedy, and Willingham and keep every single top 5 guy and just wait for more Seattle prospects to be Kyle Seager as opposed to Ackley/Smoak/Montero.

          • McNasty 12 months ago

            Despite our differences earlier, I am with you 100 percent on this minus Willingham (even though his OBP is nice). I do think teams are going to be willing to take a chance on Franklin, because his problem with the bat seems to be mental, but he has solid defense. As you know, the big rush right now is to capitalize on Cano’s golden years, so waiting for prospects to develop may be being overlooked right now. Who knows how much longer Young will last this season and Elias will be coming up on innings limit, so yes, please go after Kennedy.

          • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

            I think I just got sick to my stomach

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Hahaha. I don’t blame you. I think though it’s a better trade than the Bedard trade. We’re not getting a pitcher that was a relative 1-year wonder and we aren’t giving up much of the current team, while getting good pieces back. It is a lot to give up, but I believe in it.

    • Dynasty22 12 months ago

      That’s really giving up the farm, don’t you think?

      • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

        That is, but if that trade goes through, you get Jennings (who is team controlled till 2018), Zobrist (who is team controlled for another year), and Price (who is team controlled for another year as well). I think the M’s can sign Zobrist for a decent amount and keep him and then at the very least get a compensation pick for Price. While you are giving away a lot of players, Franklin is blocked by Cano and we have Miller/Taylor for SS, Walker/Paxton are being replaced by Price, and the others are 2-3 years away. You’re really hitting the team’s depth in 3ish years and by that time, I think we will be spending enough money to build the depth.

    • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

      Price, Zobrist and Jennings have combined for 8.5 fWAR so far this year. You would need to combine Stanton-3.8, McCutchen-4.6 and Haren-0.1 to match the fWAR they have provided. It would cost just about everybody on your farm for the 3 of them together.

      • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

        lol ok. Stanton/McCutchen would get more than Price/Zobrist/Jennings.

        • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

          I didn’t say they would have the same trade value, but they have the same production. For some reason, you are rating prospects over MLB players who have been successful over multiple years in all aspects of the game.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Or everyone does? You act as if players don’t get traded for prospects ever.

  43. bus035 12 months ago

    Last offered I heard (from M’s) through the grapevine is Walker, Elias, Franklin or Miller, Ackley, and Maurer

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      Source?

    • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

      I don’t see the Mariners trading Elias right now. His value is slipping a little bit and you trade two arms in your rotation for one.

  44. Joel Jones 12 months ago

    Do not like this trade at all. I would rather keep Paxton and Walker than have price. What seattle needs to do is try to get a right handed hitter like tulo or kemp. Seattle a pitching is already top of the American League and I don’t think zobrist would put up big numbers. Seattle also has one of the worst batting stats this year.

    • Jordss 12 months ago

      Zobrist actually fits in Seattle better than anywhere they need a utility guy and Zobrist will hit anywhere due to being line drive/ OBP

    • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

      Joel, I understand your hesitant nature. And Jordss, I agree he fits, but at to what cost? If you’re Z, what’s your proposal(s)?

      @Joel: They need a vet behind King Felix and Iwakuma to at least handle a 5 game series. Plus, your lineup is a left handed majority. Need a righty bat and Romero did not measure up to the club’s expectations. If you’re Z, what would you do?

  45. GD 12 months ago

    They land Price/Zobrist, and now I’m reading today Kemp and his agent are making it public that he wants a trade out of LAD if they aren’t going to play him more, and LAD doesn’t seem inclined to work him back into CF where he wants to eventually play again.

    1. Price/Zobrist trade now.
    2. Add Kemp

    And Seattle looks extremely deadly. Other options are popping up in tradable players with the Rockies Tulo, CarGo, and Morneau too.

    I think Seattle should also consider Twins all-star Catcher Suzuki. I just think Zunino’s SO rate and bat just isn’t at the level we need to rely on. But if Smoak and Ackley are replaced with Zobrist & Kemp with Morrison at 1B or even Morneau…I can deal with our current Catching situation as is.

    • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

      There’s 0 chance the M’s take on that much salary. Kemp is mediocre. He’s not worth the money or the prospects it will take to get LA to eat most of his contract.

      • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

        I wouldn’t say 0. The team had a huge draw for the Oakland series. We also have the new TV contract that added a huge chunk of money that the owners haven’t been spending yet. If people continue to go to games as the keep continues to play playoff baseball, I can definitely see the team upping payroll. If the Mariners can get away with only paying Kemp $10-15M, and still get him after getting Price/Zobrist (not saying it’s a done-deal, but hypothetically it happens) without losing Peterson at all, it’s worth it.

        • The Dodgers are just about the only team that would add 50+ million in annual payroll (which is would be for next year with Price, Kemp, and Zobrist) during the season.

          Attendance only matters once it’s sustained over a longer period of time.

          • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

            The Dodgers are the Yankees of the West, but why would they trade Kemp and keep Crawford? I know that Crawford’s contract is like the old fruit cake that your family says yuck to and sends away. I wouldn’t want to be in Colletti’s seat especially having to dangle a Joc Pederson in trades.

          • Kemp is more tradable than Crawford.

          • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

            I still wonder how much LA would actually eat in a Kemp trade. If they were desperate to move him, I’d estimate about half of his salary… but I don’t think they are desperate… he’s not playing terribly… my guess is the remainder of Kemp’s 2014 salary… but not much more. If a team wants Kemp, they are going to have to take on his salary… which often means the payroll relief will be better than the return the Dodgers get for Kemp. Teams aren’t going to give up top crop AND take on anywhere from 50-90 million in salary as well.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            Kemp: $10m
            Zobrist: $7.5M
            Price: $20m (estimate)

            That’s only $37.5M in added payroll to a team that has the money to add payroll (cough Nintendo owns the Mariners and the owners own ROOT Sports NW).

        • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

          That TV deal wasn’t just given to them. They had to pay a lot of money for it.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            And? They are raking in the profit with it now.

          • DogleggedWalnut 12 months ago

            And? They are raking in the profit with it now.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Zunino is one of the better defensive catchers in baseball. He is fantastic at framing, which causes the umpires to call more of his pitchers’ borderline pitchers strikes.

  46. skrockij89 12 months ago

    I would love to see price and zobrist getting traded to the M’s but I honestly think the cost for both will be too much. We can easily go after cheaper options.

  47. Nick Kramer 12 months ago

    Zorbrist yes, Price no. The cost of Price over time is worth less than what they would give up.

  48. faceforest 12 months ago

    As a Rays fan, I don’t like the idea of this trade. We have a surplus of starters. Aside from guys we have now, including Bedard, and a stretch, Ramos. The Rays also have Montgomery, Romero, Colome, Karns waiting to come up. We need offense. We need more hitters. This team can’t rely on Myers and Longo to do everything. We see how well it goes when Longo feels all the stress of the team. The only way I’d be ok with this is if we received one of their top end pitching prospects, and someone like Peterson or Marlette. We could then flip some of our prospects for someone who can add some power to the line up.

    • Dynasty22 12 months ago

      Is that really a good surplus though? Colome and Romero still have control issues and could be moved to the bullpen or even possibly another team who values them as a starter since there isn’t much of a chance that happens in Tampa. Montgomery is still figuring himself out and Karns has been awful this year. None of those guys are better than Archer, Cobb, Moore, Hellickson, Odorizzi. If Seattle is willing to give up Walker, you don’t say no.

    • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

      You can have Marlette but not Peterson lol

    • Jordss 12 months ago

      dude the Rays will DEMAND. a MLB ready starter in a trade for Price and Zobrist…..that’s just a fact.

      • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

        Which is why I have Price going to St. Louis for Taveras… I don’t think Tampa would turn down the opportunity to have Myers and Taveras in the same outfield…

    • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

      I would have to agree with you with your offense comment. Maddon should give Brandon Guyer more at bats and it’s tough with Zobrist in right field and then sometimes Matt Joyce. I know that with Beckham injured, it’s hard to really decide on which prospects to take. Romero and Franklin would be the two guys that would fit the ball club since they do play a couple of positions. Clear more cap space with Zobrist and Escobar for Romero, Franklin and bring up Lee or Ryan Brett (if they feel he is ready at 2B). It’s definitely tough to let those veterans go instead of adding. With Uggla out there, that would help, but that’s a far fetched action.

  49. Lefty_Orioles_Fan 12 months ago

    Come on Duquette what are you waiting for>>>>
    Swoop down and get Zobrist and get this thing done before the M’s do!

  50. Friar Tuck 12 months ago

    I would like to see a trade between the Mariners and Rays where Tampa sends Ben Zobrist, Yunel Escobar and cash for Ryan Franklin.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Pretty sure Ryan Franklin is a retired pitcher who played with the Mariners before becoming a closer for the Cardinals.

      Wait, does this mean time travel has been invented???

      • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

        I sometimes do live in the past, that’s why when you have too many Hernandez’s or Gonzalez’s in the minor leagues, it tends to get to you over time. Too bad they’re aren’t any paradoxes like there supposedly are in those Star Trek episodes and movies.

    • Jordss 12 months ago

      hahaha what?

    • Friar Tuck 12 months ago

      I made a mistake. Wow, it’s supposed to be Nick Franklin…. lol, I don’t know why I was thinking of that reliever. I am usually pretty good when it comes to minor league prospects.

  51. A-A-Ron 12 months ago

    I would on board with Walker and Franklin for Napoli and Lester (and sign for 5/80 up to 6/100)

    Or possibly Walker Franklin Smoak Ackley + for Stanton

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Smoak and Ackley have pretty much zero value. Stanton, when he gets traded, is going to get a Bartolo Colon deal.

      • westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

        what is a Bartolo Colon deal?

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew were traded from the Indians to the Expos in 2002 for Lee Stevens, Brandon Phillips, Grady Sizemore, and Cliff Lee.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          Bartolo Colon and Tim Drew were traded by the Indians to the Expos for Lee Stevens, Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips, and Grady Sizemore in 2002.

    • WLS 12 months ago

      For Stanton, it would be the M’s team bus (with a full tank) loaded with the cream of the crop.
      Still, would love a Seattle jersey with STANTON on the back.
      We should have payed Napoli 2 years ago when they squashed his deal with bad hips or what ever it was.

  52. TheRealRyan 12 months ago

    I don’t think the Rays do that deal for both. That is the type of package that it will take to get just Price. It sounds like the Rays want to beat the Samardzija deal to move Price and Zobrist is the best position player on the market. It will take a lot for both.

  53. TheRealRyan 12 months ago

    That’s not enough. Chris Taylor is good and I’m sure the Rays would love to get him, but he is more like the 4th piece in a deal for both.

  54. Stoibs 12 months ago

    Walker is going over to Tampa or this deal just isn’t getting done. That’s the harsh reality here for Mariners fans. Walker, Paxton, and Franklin for Price and Zobrist gets it done. That’s a very reasonable package for both sides. M’s get a year and half for both guys and draft pick compensation, at least for Price. No one is saying it’s not tough to give up these players and cost control, but we are talking about arguably a top three starter in baseball. You are also getting a guy that led the league in WAR from 2009-2013. Zobrist isn’t exactly chopped liver.

    • The_Unnatural 12 months ago

      That kills the M’s pitching depth. They aren’t going to give up both Paxton and Walker.

  55. Jordss 12 months ago

    You guys need to understand that the Mariners are reaching that time everyone does some time and that is GO FOR IT. You play to win the WS not to scrape a 2nd wild card. If you can get Price and Zobrist if you’re the M’s you do it! Everyone would be on the table too. LOL at the people saying certain people are off. Price and Zobrist between them add 4.5-5 wins between now and the end of the season then another 10 wins next year! It makes you a legit WS contender. My package would be: Walker, Peterson, Franklin and Pike for Price and Zobrist. Mariners would still have some prospects and they would get the extra comp pick/s to rebuild the farm system.

    • WLS 12 months ago

      I know it hurts to see DJ’s name in there too, but its the truth.
      We would want the world if Felix was in the same situation.

  56. Jordss 12 months ago

    Franklin and Diaz for Zobrist could work if the Mariners gave up on Price.

  57. TheRealRyan 12 months ago

    Out of all fans to understand how volatile top prospects are, I would think Mariner fans would get it. They’ve seen Smoak, Ackley, Montero, Moore, Triunfel, Clement, etc…be huge busts. Even the younger guys who have some promise still like Zunino and Franklin haven’t really shown that they can do it on the MLB level yet. The only top 100 guy you’ve had in the last 7 years to be even close to an average player has been Saunders.

    The idea that you could add two 4-5+ WAR players for 2 pennant runs at below market salaries and I’m surprised you wouldn’t give up whatever prospects that it takes to make that happen.

    • Jordss 12 months ago

      I don’t think there used to contending for the playoffs. It makes so much sense for the Mariners given they have the money and are in striking position.

      • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

        I agree. Your package up top is a very good base for a trade. I think you would have to probably add Diaz to make it happen, but it’s close. I agree that Franklin and Diaz is the type of package it will take to get Zobrist. Price will take Walker, Peterson, plus a couple of C+/B- types. I’m guessing a package for both would look like Walker, Peterson, Franklin, Diaz, Pike and Guerrero.

        • Jordss 12 months ago

          from what it looks like the Rays would want Franklin in a deal for Zobrist so you just have to add two together. Franklin and Diaz for Zobrist. Then if the Rays are willing to deal Price straight up for Peterson and Tai for Price you’ve got the basis of a trade right there.

          • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

            I just think a Price deal by himself will take more than just Walker and Peterson, but I do see those two as the centerpieces. Pike is a talented player, but he is an undersized lefty who is having a terrible year and Guerrero is a toolsy OF who hasn’t really put it together yet. Those would be the kind of pieces to round out a Price trade.

          • Jordss 12 months ago

            you deffo could be right. Tai, Peterson and Pike would be the starting package for Price in my opinion as well. Peterson would probably be our 1B of the future. Since he wouldn’t play 3B.

        • Jordss 12 months ago

          I guess the issue is would the Mariners give up Peterson? They have Jackson coming through and would get the comp pick too. I’d say it’s worth it especially as you get Price and Zobrist for a combined 3 years!

          • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

            I would if I was them. His bat looks good, but he looks to be a RH 1B who doesn’t run. He is currently a borderline top 50 prospect and that’s the kind of second piece it will take to get a Cy Young type SP for two pennant runs at a below market salary.

    • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

      I see your Smoak, Ackley, etc. and raise you Shin-Soo Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Jones, Chris Tillman, Derek Lowe, Jason Varitek, Jose Cruz Jr…

      You basically have to go back to the acquisitions of Jay Buhner and Randy Johnson to recall a good Ms trade, and then you can understand why Ms fans are so reluctant.

      That being said, I myself am starting to warm up to the idea of a Felix, Price, and Kuma rotation.

      • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

        I get that some of those trades were terrible, but none of the players acquired by the Mariners were anywhere close to the level of a David Price. Some of those were also almost 20 years ago, as painful as I’m sure it is to still relive.

        • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

          Just sayin’ the Ms have been really good at trading players who went on to haunt them. Price is good, but he doesn’t really do anything except help solidify a run at the Wild Card, a one game dice roll. Then the Ms would be in the precarious position next year as to what to do with him.

          If the Ms offense were better I’d feel a lot more comfortable with it, but at this point Walker seems like to high of a Price, no pun intended there.

  58. TigerFan1968 12 months ago

    why bother with the 2014 Zobrist. This is the wrong model year. These teams that are dumping are hoping the buyers have long memories. Wait a week or so and see how Walker develops. He may be the pitcher you need this year. But Mariners do need a big bat. Viciendo is interesting here but why would the White Sox trade him? He has shown steady improvement, is still young and under team control. Ah the White Sox.
    I have the answer. Adam Dunn.

    • Jordss 12 months ago

      absurd post since Zobrist has a OBP of .380 since the beginning of June…..

      • TigerFan1968 12 months ago

        You win with stars. Wait till you see how little the Rays get for Zobrist. Even Price if they could just Tajuan Walker it would be a steal for the Rays.

    • King Kyle 12 months ago

      How has Viciedo shown steady improvement?

    • westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

      I think Viciedo’s perceived value is pretty high right now so the Sox may be looking to sell high. He hasn’t been consistently good for them, and I think they’ve seen all they will see of him. For another team, the change-o-scenery could change Viciedo’s paradigm and he may become consistently good, or he may just ride a hot streak (or cold streak) to finish up this year.

  59. Jordss 12 months ago

    the dude who added Jennings to the deal. I don’t think Jennings is available via trade.

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      I’m sure with the exception of Myers and Longoria, just about everyone in Tampa is available.

      • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

        The Rays think they still have an outside chance to compete this year and definitely see themselves as contenders next year. While everyone has a price, it will take a lot to move a 3-4+ WAR CF with 3.5 years of control left in Jennings.

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          I’m not denying it would take a ton… but I’m sure they’ll listen on most guys, especially if they’re already listening on Price and Zobrist.

  60. Jordss 12 months ago

    Price and Felix would be the best 1 – 2 in baseball. I don’t really want to call it a 1 – 2 because you could start either in a one off game and be favored against any team in baseball not started by Kershaw.

  61. Jordss 12 months ago

    And the thing is the Mariners actually have the pieces to make a trade. You forget that 90% of baseball don’t have the pieces to get Price. If you have the pieces to make the trade surely you should take advantage of that!? I really believe the only two teams who can and would trade for Price now are the M’s or the Dodgers.
    If he stays to the winter. I think you could add the Cardinals to that list and maybe the Cubs. But your talking about a select few.

    • The Cardinals and the Cubs both could, they just don’t really need to.

    • IZZONE 12 months ago

      If your counting Cubs then also Astros, Twins, Mets and Marlins.

      • Jordss 12 months ago

        Marlins Twins Astros can’t afford him

        • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

          Astros easily can afford him. They could have had Stanton if they accepted the Marlins offer. If you can get Stanton you can afford everyone besides Trout/Puig

        • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

          The Astros actually have a lot of money.

      • Jordss 12 months ago

        The whole point in trading Price is because he’s going to be getting upwards of 20 mill next year and 26 mill per year after. Cubs have the money they just don’t spend.

      • Jordss 12 months ago

        The whole point in trading Price is because he’s going to be getting upwards of 20 mill next year and 26 mill per year after. Cubs have the money they just don’t spend.

  62. Matt Galvin 12 months ago

    Peterson is blocked by Seager,Smoak,Morrison and Hart.
    Maybe Lee,Span to Mariners,Zimmerman,Franklin to Rays,Ramirez,Wilson and so on to Phil’s and Hellickson,Montero and so on to Nats?

    • They can play Peterson elsewhere or DFA Smoak.

    • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 12 months ago

      Smoak isn’t blocking anyone the way he is playing.

    • xthetouristx 12 months ago

      Hart is a FA after this year. LoMo has shown flashes, but hasn’t put anything together, and has a long history of injuries. Smoak is not blocking anyone. DJ Peterson is not a 3B long-term, so Seager is not blocking him either.

  63. Mike1L 12 months ago

    There’s a tendency to overvalue prospects (which is why virtually all trade discussions involving swaps of proven and even star mlb players for prospects invariably come down to “you can’t give up……..”. As the Athletics just showed, if you want talent that is considered top level, you have to pay for it, and quite possibly over-pay. Getting Price and Zobrist is a huge haul of present value. You are unlikely to find either (or both in the same trade) going for spare parts, leftovers, and busts.

  64. docmilo5 12 months ago

    No, it would not.
    The farm has deep roots.

  65. Frittoman626 12 months ago

    Why would the Rays want Brad Miller? He’s pretty terrible on both offense and defense. The Mariners will need to give up Walker, Franklin, Peterson, and another if they want Price and Zobrist, and I’m not sure the Mariners woulld or should do that.

    • Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

      I would pass if Im the Mariners

    • i'm me .. 12 months ago

      why would the Rays want Brad Miller? well…Brad Miller is one of the only 20/20 SS Candidates in MLB

      • PileOfSandwich 12 months ago

        20/20 being HRs and SB? Cuz 3 steals in 81 one games doesn’t really give some one the belief he will have 20 at years end.

        • i'm me .. 12 months ago

          might not…but how many SS have his pop and speed combo? he would def be a piece the Rays ask about…including Paxton. Sky Walker and Peterson.

          • PileOfSandwich 12 months ago

            Well compared to his 8 a year power and his 5 and 3 steal seasons, Alexei Ramirez, Erick Aybar, Jose Reyes, Elvis Andrus, Asdrubal Cabrera.

  66. Jonathan Barlock 12 months ago

    I would pass on including Either Walker or Peterson in a deal. All the rest would be fair game

    • Steve Adams 12 months ago

      Without Walker or Peterson, the deal doesn’t get done. And even then, that might not be enough to entice Tampa to move Price (and especially not both). It’s going to have to be painful for Seattle, or it won’t get done.

      • ChrisSEA84 12 months ago

        JZ better not trade Peterson. I have a gut feeling that he’s going to be a RH Kyle Seager.

      • harmony55 12 months ago

        Andf it it’s not painful for Tampa Bay, it won’t get done.

        • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

          What’s not painful about dealing a Cy Young caliber LH in the prime of his career? Why is dealing a 5 WAR 2B who switch hits and plays above average defense in LF, RF and at least average D at SS not painful? Trading 10 WAR from a team that still thinks they have an outside chance this year and a very good chance next year is about as painful as it gets.

    • Ryan Fawcett 12 months ago

      I pass on giving up Paxton or Peterson. Walker looks like he’s going to be pretty good but I could live with him getting dealt for a return like this. Paxton seems to be that rare LH talent that can throw hard, mix in speeds and strike people out. I’d place Paxton higher on the must keep then Walker.

  67. Tom 12 months ago

    Is Price really worth what the Ray’s want for him? You can make an argument he’s not a true ace. He’s definitely the best available pitcher on the market, but what they want in terms of prospects doesn’t seem feasible to most of the buyers.

    I’m just thinking that the only way for the Mariners to get him seems to be to bid against themselves. I imagine the Rays wouldn’t lower their demands and just look to trade him in the offseason if that’s the case.

    • stl_cards16 12 months ago

      If the Mariners are bidding against themselves, there’s a lot of teams doing it wrong. He is a pretty big upgrade for every team in baseball.

      • Tom 12 months ago

        No doubt he’s an ugprade, but the asking price seems high for what he is. Now Walker is unproven but he’s ML ready and will assume a regular rotation spot starting this Tuesday. I wonder how bad it looks if Walker is as good as advertised and outpitches Price over the rest of the year. Price seems to have a homerun problem this year that just makes me nervous.

    • TheRealRyan 12 months ago

      How is Price not a true ace?

      Over the past calendar year, his MLB ranks are 1st in IP, 2nd in SO, 1st in BB/9, 4th in fWAR, 6th in xFIP and 12th in FIP.

      Since the beginning of 2012, he ranks 8th in IP, 9th in SO, 7th in BB/9, 9th in fWAR, 7th in xFIP and 9th in FIP.

      Price also won the Cy Young in 2012, was runner up in 2010 and looks to be on his way to another top 5 this year. He might not be Kershaw or Hernandez, but he is definitely a true ace.

  68. westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

    Why do the Mariners want Zobrist? They already have enough hitters who hit in the mid .200s and end up with 15-20HR by the time the year is over.

    • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

      because he is a huge upgrade at five positions currently (SS, LF, RF (until Saunders is back), 1B, DH).

      • westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

        Gotcha. So because of his defensive versatility + the fact the Mariner’s have so many sub-standard hitters on their team, he is valuable. I don’t think he’s worth trading Walker, but we’ll see. I typically don’t agree with any of Jack Z’s decisions.

        • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

          Well Zobrist has a 113 OPS+ so he is an above average hitter who has incredible versatility defensively. Also is signed to a team friendly deal. So there is a lot of value in that.

          • westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

            good info, thanks. I get it now :-)

          • westcoastwhitesox 12 months ago

            good info, thanks. I get it now :-)

        • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

          Well Zobrist has a 113 OPS+ so he is an above average hitter who has incredible versatility defensively. Also is signed to a team friendly deal. So there is a lot of value in that.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          I’m fairly certain that the “Walker” portion of this trade would be for Price, not Zobrist. Zobrist is not worth Walker straight up.

        • xthetouristx 12 months ago

          I’m fairly certain that the “Walker” portion of this trade would be for Price, not Zobrist. Zobrist is not worth Walker straight up.

    • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

      He gets on base. Ms are last in the AL in OBP, and Zobrist @ .352 OBP would be second on the team. Plus he hits right handed, and could help balance the LH heavy lineup they have. And on top of all that he can play multiple positions, which would give Lloyd McClendon another piece to work with as he’s been scrapping together lineups all year.

      • Graham Johns 12 months ago

        Zorilla is actually a switch hitter. I have also personally seen him play every position on the field other than P and C (and above average at all of them).

        • Lefebvre Believer 12 months ago

          And part of being a switch hitter means you hit right handed.

  69. DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

    So Walker has been scratched tonight. Maybe something getting done.

    • Tom 12 months ago

      Scratched again? they scratched him yesterday too.

      • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

        I just looked at the Rainiers website and tonight’s starter is listed as TBD. So I am guessing he is scratched.

      • DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

        I just looked at the Rainiers website and tonight’s starter is listed as TBD. So I am guessing he is scratched.

  70. DieHardMsFan 12 months ago

    So Walker has been scratched tonight. Maybe something getting done.

  71. WLS 12 months ago

    Ive got some different deals. Some are dreaming, but I like to surprise.

    Taijuan Walker & package for Todd Frazier & Matt Latos.
    (Much better deal than Price & Zobrist. Both younger and a better power bat from the right side. Would cost more than TB deal but for a longer future.)

    A package to San Diego for Tyson Ross & Carlos Quentin.
    (I know Quentin has bad knees, his OPS is laughable, and he is owed alot money. But this dude can get very streaky and provide some big bombs from the DH position)

    or

    Erasmo Ramirez for Mark Trumbo

    • Nathan Walter 12 months ago

      Interesting ideas. Even if Cincinnati wasn’t in the heart of a playoff race, they wouldn’t get rid of Frazier and Latos. And I don’t think Tyson Ross is going anywhere yet. He’s controllable and cheap… San Diego will use what they can get out of him.

      A trade to the Diamondbacks might actually work. Trumbo maybe not so much… but someone like Gerardo Parra could actually be beneficial, even though Seattle needs more right-hand offense.

  72. Dogham 12 months ago

    Taijuan Walker should only be dealt as part of the deal if Price agrees to an extension as part of the trade. Walker, Miller, Ackley, Smoak and Victor Sanchez is enough. No DJ Pederson and no James Paxton.

    • northsfbay 12 months ago

      Price said that he won’t agree to an extension.

      • Dogham 12 months ago

        Reports out of the All-Star game said he might be open to it after speaking to Felix, Rodney, and Cano. If not, then let him die in Tampa or the Rays can take less. Not giving up the farm for someone if he doesn’t want to be in Seattle where things are on the rise for years to come.

  73. Dogham 12 months ago

    I do – not trading Walker and Peterson in same deal.

  74. Danielle Rennifer 12 months ago

    The Rays, Seattle Mariners, and San Diego Padres can pull off a three way trade if San Diego can send some prospects to the Rays w/ Walker or Paxton & Franklin or Miller from the Mariners, while Jennings or Brandon Guyer (from Rays) w/ Smoak or Montero, Tyler Pike or Carson Smith, and a player to be named going to the Padres. Mariners getting Price & Headley (playing first base as Morrison coming off the bench). Might be a good deal to swing.

  75. Dynasty22 12 months ago

    Where would that leave Brad Miller to play?

  76. McNasty 12 months ago

    The bench if he cannot sustain his recent numbers.

  77. Ryan Fawcett 12 months ago

    Tampa.

  78. docmilo5 12 months ago

    It wouldn’t hurt Miller to spend 30 days in the minors remembering how to hit. My opinion is Miller to Tacoma and Taylor up if Miller isn’t hitting by the end of July. Miller can come back up with September call ups.

  79. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    I have not posted any hypotheses. I’ve simply stated that while Jack Z stated that he “HAS NO INTENTION” of trading Peterson, that doesn’t mean he will not trade Peterson. I was giving (obviously and purposefully lopsided) examples. Jack Z also said he had no intention of trading Walker. A month later, the Upton deal happened. Just sayin’.

  80. GD 12 months ago

    I would prefer Taylor over Miller in Seattle in 2015

  81. GD 12 months ago

    In fact, I think I would prefer Taylor over Miller in the 2nd half of 2014 at this moment!

  82. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    Why? Miller’s bad 6 weeks? Lets have a look here at their minor league numbers in AA and AAA. Miller has 467 PAs and Taylor has 613 at those levels across the same age ranges, so relatively similar sample sizes.
    Player A triple slash: .319/.400/.505
    Player B triple slash: .304/.390/.439
    Player A BB%/K%: 12.2%/15.8%
    Player B BB%/K%: 12.1%/20.1%
    So surprise!, Miller is player A and Taylor is player B. Player B is worse offensively than player A. Also, Brad Miller may have been the best shortstop in baseball for the month of June!

  83. Kaij 12 months ago

    By the way, he’s hit .176 in July so far

  84. xthetouristx 12 months ago

    And Taylor has OPS’d .650 in July. In the minors. Your point? It’s a small sample. Also, try using better statistics than batting average, where a homerun is equal to a single.

  85. GD 12 months ago

    Ecactly! Peterson would be up here if it wasn’t for his lack of AAA playing time!

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