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alfredog
As a Marlins fan a big no on rich hilll please no
baseballjunkie68
As another Marlins fan I can echo that. I don’t think it’s a bad fit but what we would have to give up for him in this sellers market would leave our farm system that was already not that deep virtually empty of the talent we had left in it.
FLMarlins4LiFE
Hear me out..may sound ludacris but if we somehow put a package together for SP sonny gray, hill and Danny Valencia and send over prado
FLMarlins4LiFE
Oakland gets :
Koehler
Gillespie
nicolino
Prado
Miami
Gray
Valencia
Hill
FLMarlins4LiFE
I can dream can’t I?
Who knows maybe Loria has a change of heart or a heavy piece of art falls on his head (think bowling ball) gives him a concussion and he thinks opposite of what he does know and spend money money money gives jose a massive contract and extends the team for sale.
😀
Sam.rhodes16
That package gets you in the door for sonny, but not the rest at all.
arc89
I don’t blame the A’s for not trading Hill if all a team wants to give up is a bunch of no name bench players. Might as well roll the dice and play him since he doesn’t cost very much.
metseventually 2
this is the worst thing I have ever heard on here. Oakland gets an ace, No.2 starter and a power hitting 3B for a No.4 starter, an aging utility man and backup players. Come on, be real!
FLMarlins4LiFE
It does say let me dream a little but if we are going to be real The mets aren’t going anywhere but home
Sam.rhodes16
You’re joking right? Koehler is garbage and has only pitch, and he can’t even control it! Gillespie is a fringe prospect in literally all systems not MIA or LAA. Nicolino is struggling in the MLB. And Prado is a rental.
MIA is hosing OAK in that trade. That package would be considered a X rejected for Gray, much less the other two people you wanted…
BadCo
At least your smart enough to admit you might possible be dreaming… So I tip my cap to you !
bsteady powers
Mets are better than the Marlins
A'sfaninUK
Not really, the A’s have absolutely no use for Prado whatsoever.
Matthew23Baltimore
Oakland wants prospects, not your leftovers.
Mo Vaughn
Did you seriously just say Gillespie is a fringe prospect? The guy is 32 and has been in the league since 2010, he is FAR from a prospect, he’s at best a 4th outfielder.
FLMarlins4LiFE
At choking? Lmao
baseball0021
That is an absolutely brutal trade offer. Not sure if I’d even do Valencia for Koehler, Nicolino, Prado and Gillespie. Prado is mediocre and expensive, Gillespie is a fringe 4th OF, Nicolino hasn’t been able to get outs at the MLB level, and Koehler is a bottom of the rotation type. If you want those three from the A’s, you’re probably gonna have to move Yelich or Ozuna plus prospects
greg 14
Most valuable (available) pitcher isn’t Hill – it’s Matt Shoemaker of the Angels. He’s been absolute lights out for the past 2 months. He makes $530K this year and has 4 years of arb left. He might well accept a 4/20M deal, plus some options. And he has no injury history (he just threw 115 pitches with 0 walks and 13 KO’s). Don’t know if the Angels would trade him, but he’s worth Moncada plus, or Baez plus.
mike22
Worth moncada you must be an Angels fan or just insane
cubsfan2489
Not even close to Baez. Maybe Vogelbach straight up
Austin0723
If Pomeranz only got Espinosa what makes you think Shoemaker can get Moncada?
azcm2511
Are you serious? Moncada or Baez plus for a guy who has had a very short run of success? C’Mon….
really???
baseball0021
I think Baez would be fair, he was pretty awful at the MLB level until this year. Shoemaker has been solid in the past too. Also Moncada is far more valuable than Baez
Kayrall
Baez had a 0.5 fWAR in 2015, which is slightly above average. This year he has a 1.9 fWAR.
sascoach2003
I agree, I wouldn’t touch Hill. Shoemaker, though, in the right park, does intrigue me.
BadCo
Hill is a short term option, and shoemaker is more of a long term… Now what’s going to get your team over the hump? To Get you along in the play offs? Possible either? Like Hill but also like long term in Showmaker… Pick your poison guys
tobyharrah1977
Earth to Greg. Please return to reality.
One Fan
Moncada or Baez for Shoemaker? You were joking right?
Bruin1012
How about no way not a chance dream on. Sox wouldn’t do that in a million years.
A'sfaninUK
The Angels aren’t rebuilding at all, no way do they move Shoemaker – they need SPs like crazy.
KB R.
While I don’t think Anderson Espinoza is anything worth talking about (mediocre minor league stats, super young still, in the very low levels of the minors posting those mediocre stats, etc.) a lot of other fans think he was a lot to give up solely because he’s a ranked prospect and apparently to those people just being a subjectively and arbitrarily ranked prospect is more important than the actual stats said player is putting up. That said I think it is a bit of a high price for the A’s to be commanding for a 36 year old starter who is a FA at year’s end. If the A’s come back to reality a bit I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs make an offer and then slide Hill in their bullpen to be the left hander to go along with Travis Wood they’ve been yearning for……… also, it will be a reunion for Hill, coming full circle and playing for the team he came up with which seems like decades ago. The asking price has to go way down though Again, he is 36 years old. It isn’t like he has a track record of success the A’s can fall back on. He had a good year last year……… in the whopping 4 starts and 29 IP he played in. In 2014 he had a grand total of 5.1 IP with a 3.38 ERA and a dismal 2.44 WHIP as a reliever with the Angels and Yankees. Everything prior to 2014 was nothing special for Hill. So in reality the ONLY year worth noting is his current 2016 campaign……. he had a respectable 2007 season with the Cubs as a full time starter, but other than that year it has been rough going for Hill in his career. I’d say Jacob Hannemann from the Cubs for Rich Hill is about as high as I’d go for him. I wouldn’t give the A’s a player based on what he’s done for them this year as there is good reason to be skeptical about it.
Voice of Reason
If you’re the Cubs why in the world would you beat the offers of other teams who want him as a mid rotation starter just so the Cubs can stick him in middle relief? Some team like the Rangers, Giants or dodgers are going to go in big for hill.
For less than the trade price of hill the Cubs get chapman and stick him in the bullpen.
Hill is a big pass for the cubs. If you dont want chapman then get Boone Logan. Hill is an awful thought for the Cubs who have like 7 starters already.
BadCo
It’s called rubber stamped… Pedro said Esponiza is the next ” Pedro”…and that’s about the quality of his stuff
bsteady powers
Vogelbach and Villanueva
BadCo
KB if Hill wanted to be a reliever, he would still be in Boston… Guy is very admit about starting. Remember Banister got him straightened out last year and he was very grateful for Boston to give him anouther chance…… As a starter
davidcoonce74
Don’t scout the stat line. Read the scouts. Espinoza is 18 in low-A. He’s 2.5 years younger than the average player in his league. He sits 94-95, touches 99 and has three above-average pitches. Stats at his age, at that level, don’t mean anything. Scout the stuff with an 18-year old, not the numbers.
Espinoza’s ranking isn’t “arbitrary” either; every scouting service has him ranked in a similar place. I trust those people who are scouting him far more than a SSS
stymeedone
The A’s need OF. The Tigers could start with Steven Moya as the centerpiece. He would be a lefty power hitter to take Reddick’s spot when he is traded.
ahtigers
I wouldn’t mind that
steelerbravenation
How bout Rich Hill & Ryan Madsen to the Dodgers for Puig, Wood & Montas.
alfredog
lol I needed a laugh thanks
bravesfan 7
You seriously come up with the worst trade scenarios
steelerbravenation
Yeah yeah yeah I come up with the worst proposals maybe I should just check out this site just to shoot down proposals like you great GMs in training. I put out proposals just gor the entertainment value of discussion. It used to be on here you put out a proposal and somebody would shoot it down but come with one they thought may work and go down the line. Now a days these no it all GMs just shoot down proposals I find it quite funny. I have never seen 1 proposal on here come true. And I can’t think of 1 proposal you made but a whole lot you shoot down. Cool guy I admit you are much more smarter than me. I don’t know how you don’t have a front office job.
Michigan Dodger Fan
While I get the point about just shooting down proposals, the Dodgers don’t need Madson, which I think is part of the issue with your proposal.
The Dodgers bullpen has the best ERA in the NL and is almost universally considered the best bullpen in the NL. So then you’re essentially saying they should give up Puig and Montas for hill, which a lot regardless but especially when they need an OF this year.
I think the dodgers are more likely to move someone like Verdugo and/or Barnes in a package for someone rather than dealing from the active roster
staypuft
Don’t belittle the guy just because you embarrassed yourself with yet another speshul trade proposal.
Visions_of_Blue_LA
They may have the best bullpen numbers. But fact is they need another piece. Fien, Howell, Hatcher are mop up/ mid guys that are easily replaced and should be. Moving two rentals Hill and Reddick would be extremely appealing but we’ve seen willingness for Beane to shut down convos if Dodgers or any team doesn’t have exactly what he wants (which you can’t blame him). I can see the Dodgers aversion for trading Bellinger, Verdugo, and Calhoun as their system lacks offensive fire power. I have no doubt the Dodgers would trade Puig. The system not considering this years draft is rich in pitching not offensively.
BlueSkyLA
Still think you are only looking at only half the numbers. The Dodgers bullpen only looks good overall because three are pitching very well and are used a lot. Another three are awful and get used sparingly. A manager can work around that kind of thing for just so long. They desperately need another legitimate setup man to give Liberatore and Blanton some rest before they are burned out (and Roberts gets the blame, of course).
Michigan Dodger Fan
That’s fair. But even if that’s the case, I still think Puig/Wood/Montas is too much for those 2. Not saying we need a chapman/Miller type, but there’s going to be someone
BlueSkyLA
Probably. I rarely get involved in these trade debates. Most of the proposals are pretty silly. Actually Wood, Anderson or Garcia could be that extra pen arm if it comes to that, but probably none of them will be available until after the non-waiver deadline. I could even see Ryu being moved to the pen.
bsteady powers
Dummy
A'sfaninUK
Its funny how fans ideas of what “too much” is has absolutely no correlation with what a GM thinks “too much” is.
For example, the Red Sox thought Espinoza-Hill straight up was too much, but Espinoza-Pomeranz was good to go. No fan posting in the comments sections on this site would say either one was fair for Boston. You’d have gotten laughed and verbally abused off the site if you proposed Pomeranz-Espinoza a month ago. People around here overvalue prospects on a level GM’s do not, and we all need to accept this.
Gerry G
Moncada or Baez plus is happening in any trade for either team
baseball0021
Moncada is far more valuable than Baez. Those aren’t at all equivalent values
Gerry G
Meant to say isn’t happening
steelerbravenation
If the Cubs are looking for a lefty for the pen. The Braves got Krol. How bout Krol for McKinney
Gogerty
Steeler man? Krol for McKinney? Love the Braves man, but that is not happening. Heck you can give the Krol and Eric O. Two lefties won’t get McKinney.
gobraves46
You are making braves fans look bad.
gobraves46
That was meant for steelers guy…
zacharydmanprin
Craig Breslow was just released…
BadCo
He stunk in Boston the last two years… Good luck with him
Jorge Soler Powered
Hahaha. No.
Voice of Reason
Krol doesn’t move the needle enough
thebighurt619
Cubs would be better off calling the padres up about hand or buchter for vogelbach and markey or caratini and sands if the braves want mckinney for krol.
bsteady powers
Caratini is in line to be the backup C for the foreseeable future
baseball0021
So? You don’t hold onto a guy because he might be your backup going forward. Cubs would be better off with a good defensive veteran backup anyway because Contreras is iffy at best behind the plate
jasonbourne23
Too high a price for injury-prone Hill. A lol ol’ blister has kept him out a week now. Hope the Giants stay away. One thing about analytics and the As are that they are too cold in getting rid of players. That doesn’t foster much loyalty. Probably Riddick will leave and do better elsewhere. The As could’ve gotten who they wanted in Anderson Espinoza had they kept Drew Pomeranz. They would’ve had a better season with both Hill and Pomeranz.
raef715
a blister means injury prone? and you clearly dont understand why a pitcher cant throw with a blister.
staypuft
Do you know what injury prone means? It means the guy is always injured in some way or another.
Hill has had injuries all through his career and he’s been on the DL this year. And now he’s got yet another injury- a blister.
It’s always something with this guy.
tvwthree
I hope the Sox keep Moncada, Bennetendi, and Devers. I’d love to see them slotted into the line up for years to come. An outfield of Betts, Bradly Jr. And Benintendi would be perfect. You’d have either Shaw of Travis at first, Moncada taking over for Pedroia at second, Bogaerts at short and Devers at third. Also have Swihart and Vazquez behind the plate. More than likely Dombrowski will trade half of them for a few crap vets though.
Gogerty
As a baseball fan, I see you wanting that. But barring a trade, Pedroia is manning 2B until his age 37 year, making Moncada near 26-27. Moncada needs a spot sooner than that, by most standards. Agreed the OF looks to be awesome for years to come barring injury.
staypuft
Implying 2B is the only position they can play Moncada and that 3B isn’t exactly blocked.
When you have a highly rated prospect like that you tend to find a position for him.
Jorge Soler Powered
No team ever has every prospect pan out like that. Especially not Boston with all of their “can’t miss” flops. Keep dreaming, bro.
staypuft
Ikr. Can’t miss flops like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley. They’d actually be a contender if maybe 1 or 3 of their prospects would pan out…
They really need a real mvp-caliber superstar like Jorge Soler.
bsteady powers
Soler had a terrific playoffs last year. Was heating up before his injury. Still has only had what? Less than 300 MLB at bats. He’s gonna be just fine.
staypuft
He’s an mvp-caliber superstar, of course he’ll be fine.
eggy
I could not stop laughing
BadCo
I think pedie has a contract thru 2021….don’t see him going anywhere so Moncada better learn to play third or outfield along the way and can’t quit figure who can’t miss is that is being mentioned by mr Soler.. Go figure cubbies fan
hanks1hammer
I can see that being an incredible batting line up but you will pretty much be the 2015 Toronto Blue Jays. All batting and no pitching. You may need to spend some of that line up potential for pitching no matter how enammerred you are with your prospects
Bruin1012
Because of that potentially incredible and very cheap lineup the Sox will have money to spend on pitching and the rotation.
baseballjunkie68
Bluejays are close to the post season but could use some help how about Bluejays get Carlos Beltran and Andre Miller from the Yankees for a Marcus stroman package.
Michigan Dodger Fan
No. Just not happening, especially within the division
BadCo
Andrew dude
bsteady powers
St roman?!!? Why would u sell your best pitcher for a reliever and a 39 year old? You people are not right
Kayrall
Hold up, Yankees fans! Let me answer this one for you:
“If you want to win rings, you have to pay the price. And if you don’t want to pay the price, we will trade him for more to another team. Besides, he has no position anyways.”
Ekostuke
I am okay with that
A'sfaninUK
In Rich Hill’s last 17 starts, not including his last one where he didn’t record an out, he has never given up more than 3 runs, and has struck out over 10 batters 6 times. That’s an ace, no matter how you want to put it. Is he oft-injured? Yes of course he’s Rich Hill, but he’s also Rich Hill, bona fide ace, and that certainly puts him at the top of the SP heap. Remember last time the A’s traded a guy like that? They got Josh Donaldson+3 more in return. Even if Hill gets hurt again, no matter what you are getting less than 3 runs given up by him, that’s massive if its 6 starts or 12 starts, to a playoff team? That’s worth a top 50 prospect, definitely. Boston throwing Espinoza, a huge prospect means probably means they are also going to keep going and trade more, because getting Papi a title means more to Dombrowski than anything (and is also how he operated in Detroit the last half dozen or so years he was there).
stymeedone
No wonder the Tigers never got their WS, Dombrowski was trying to get the title for Papi, not Mr. I. Must be why Mr. I canned him.
A'sfaninUK
No, he was trying to win for his aging owner. Now, he’s trying to win for Papi. How difficult is it for you to connect those dots? Do you want me to write even longer posts spelling everything out for you? Come on.
Mike M 2
This is the worst/best thing I read all day. Thank you for the entertainment.
A'sfaninUK
You must be a delusional Red Sox fan because every single thing I wrote is true.
Bruin1012
Actually no it isn’t the Sox aren’t trading Moncada or Benentendi for maybe they would trade Devers in the right trade proposal. They won’t trade Moncada or Benentendi because one has such huge upside and the other is probably going to playing in left field this year at Fenway. The only way they would trade either of the big two if Sale or someone like that became available then all bets would be off. They aren’t trading them otherwise.
Mike M 2
If asking price is Espinosa or similar, good luck making a trade
letsgobucs
Man, this trade market is the dumps. Maybe the Pirates should make Liriano available and see what they can get for him. He’d have to be a better option than Hill, considering career and a decent contract.
rycm131
According to the logic above Liriano may land Gioloto and Bryce Harper plus…
tehmpus
I think the Cubs are in on Reddick. Soler might be headed to Oakland.
hanks1hammer
You should hope not. Look at his splits.
bsteady powers
Where did u hear that?
A'sfaninUK
That would be a great trade for both sides if it’s straight up, and a win for Oakland if they get more than Soler..
rycm131
Speaking as an A’s fan…Rich Hill is like trying to sell a car way over blue book value and praying that the interested buyer doesn’t check the value.
A'sfaninUK
Except his FIP and xFIPs are sensational, so at worst that’s a gold-plated car you could melt down and make a ton of money on.
soxfan1
A’s fans are hilarious
BlueSkyLA
A blister is now a durability issue? Maybe the man has weak skin.
A'sfaninUK
It’s not, but people love narratives so much.
Every single injury Hill has had has been different and freakish. He’s still an ace with a minuscule 2.55 FIP over 13 starts.
BlueSkyLA
Yup. It’s funny because the real issue with the blister and his tradability is that the teams scouting him weren’t able to watch him pitch this week. Maybe he gets another outing before the deadline or maybe not but either way teams with an interest in him will have to go on the numbers and video to make a judgement. For sure they aren’t going to make one on the basis of a blister. Well okay, a blistering fastball maybe…
willreily
If I was any team, I wouldn’t touch Hill. He is a strikeout machine who is doing well, but he’s approaching his late 30s. And you know a bidding war will start over any pitcher who is doing well.
Add that to his injury history, man. The best I would trade away for him is a future #3 SP prospect, or future power reliever. And that might be too much.
A'sfaninUK
Yeah because Bartolo and Nolan Ryan and all the massive amounts of 35+ year old pitchers in the games history were all totally terrible.
I mean seriously. You are using AGE as the only problem with a pitcher? That’s really grasping at straws. Hill is going to pitch another 6-8 years, easily. He could very easily be the next Jamie Moyer, they have similar paths.
Dookie Howser, MD
I am booking marking this comment for 6-8 years from now for a good chuckle.
Bruin1012
No the problem with Hill is he has had a huge injury history I like Hill the Red Sox have had him a few times. He did real well for Boston a few years ago then blew out his arm. He has been fragile. I think his curveball is for real but that pitch takes its toll on your arm. I hope I am wrong and he can pitch a few more years without blowing out his arm. Any pitcher is a risk I just think that he is a higher risk of injury than most.
Matthew23Baltimore
6 to 8 years left, really?
gamemusic3 2
Dodgers get Hill and Reddick.
Jose De Leon – similar value to Espinoza
or
Primary prospect: Grant Holmes
Trade Alex Wood for additional assets involving a third team
Secondary prospects from Dodgers and third team
A'sfaninUK
Show me a trade that was 2 all-star level players for a prospect and I’ll agree with you.
Those trades just do not happen. 1 for 1 yes, but 2 for 1? Never, ever.
Hill + Reddick for Wood + De Leon? Yeah that works. Also works: Hill + Reddick for Puig + a low level but top 10 org prospect. I think Puig would be a great fit in Oakland too, and the A’s have a ton of money coming off the books so they could take on his deal.
Matthew23Baltimore
Jose de Leon is similar to Espinoza but Ezpinoza was traded for a controllable pitcher, not one you get for 3 months
baseball0021
But LAD is also getting Reddick in the deal and they need OF help
raef715
if im a team interested in Rich Hill, I might be glad that he’s missed time previously and isnt pitching now. the question is how much he’s got left in the tank having pitched much in several years, so the missed time would give me more hope he can pitch through to the end of the season, and beyond.
Danthemilwfan
Why is a guy having a good start to a season who normally sucks garnering so much attention?
raef715
this is just a guess, but since re-inventing himself and reappearing, in his last 18 major league starts he’s gone 12-4 with a 2.05 era, and in 105 innings, struck out 126 while giving up 71 hits..
so either that, or they think he’s got a cool name.
krillin
If I had to guess, other than his good numbers, is that they would be using him as a rental. So, this hot year is really all the matters to an interested team. Track record does not play much into it.
Brian 2
As a Pirates fan I can see Huntington doing something for him closer to the deadline with the way the rotation is looking right now barring a plummet or very bad play in the next week and a half. No need for Reddick but personally I’d welcome a Madson or Axford (former Pirate) along with him.
Personally I wouldn’t like to see them give up more than Kuhl/Brault and maybe a lower level prospect. Niese could be an interesting player to go the other way too. Addition by subtraction for the Bucs and I don’t think he’d be a bad fit in Oakland. Cheap(ish, 10 mil team option I believe) for next year and can eat innings, gives up a lot of HRs in Pittsburgh that barely make it out and would probably stay in the park in Oakland. Not probable but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.