The Indians have reached a one-year agreement with free-agent second baseman Cesar Hernandez, ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets. The Octagon client will earn a $6.25MM salary for the 2020 season.
Hernandez, 30 in May, was non-tendered earlier this month after a run of five solid seasons as the Phillies’ primary second baseman. From 2015-19, Hernandez racked up 3026 plate appearances in Philadelphia and turned in a .278/.355/.388 batting line with 45 home runs, 106 doubles, 27 triples and 79 stolen bases. His home run totals ticked up in 2018-19 as well, when the switch-hitter logged a combined 29 round-trippers.
However, Hernandez was eligible for arbitration for the final time this winter and due a raise on last season’s $7.75MM salary. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projected an $11.8MM salary for his final trip through that process. The Phillies — and, clearly, other teams — deemed Hernandez’s likely arbitration price to be too steep and opted to non-tender him, sending him out into the open market for the first time in his career.
Several factors surely contributed to the decision to cut Hernandez loose. The free-agent market is arguably deeper at second base than any other position, thus hampering the Indians’ ability to drum up trade interest in Hernandez even in spite of his steady rate of play over the past half decade. The Phillies also had a versatile pair of infielders in Jean Segura and particularly Scott Kingery, allowing them to target virtually any infield option they saw fit upon moving on from Hernandez. (Eventually, the club zeroed in on Didi Gregorius.)
With the Indians, Hernandez will now slot in as their primary second baseman, replacing mainstay Jason Kipnis, whose 2020 club option was bought at the onset of the offseason. He’ll bring a generally solid defensive reputation to the table in Cleveland, though Hernandez isn’t likely to be bringing home any Gold Glove Awards in the near future. Metrics like Ultimate Zone Rating and Defensive Runs Saved are a bit split on his total body of work, but Hernandez has only had one truly poor season per either of those measures. And, in 2019, he posted +6 DRS and a 0.7 UZR, suggesting he’s still more than capable of handling the position.
Installing Hernandez at second base means that two-time All-Star and two-time Silver Slugger Jose Ramirez will be locked in as Cleveland’s primary third baseman in 2020. Ramirez is capable of playing either second or third, which gave the Indians’ front office some flexibility when eyeing potential infield targets in free agency.
Of course, that flexibility only extends so far, as Cleveland ownership has rather clearly given the front office some notable payroll constraints. The Indians have already sent Corey Kluber to the Rangers in a trade that more closely resembled a salary dump than anything else. The fact that they nonetheless took what was widely regarded as a light return now — as opposed to keeping Kluber and hoping he built up some value early in the year — suggests that clearing the entirety of next year’s $17.5MM salary was a critical element of the swap.
Whether the Indians make any additional shakeups on the roster is currently one of the more interesting hot stove storylines in the game. Teams have been trying to pry superstar shortstop Francisco Lindor away from Cleveland to no avail, and burgeoning frontline starter Mike Clevinger is reported to be drawing interest as well. There’s no firm indication that the Indians plan to move either player, though, and even with Hernandez now on board, Cleveland’s payroll checks in at roughly $97MM, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez. That’s a drop of $38MM from 2018’s Opening Day mark and $22MM from 2019’s Opening Day total.
bcollinscle
There’s your 2020 starting 2nd baseman… ugh
Francys01
Good signing Cleveland. Could this mean that Lindor could be traded? I know that Hernandez plays second base, but the Cleveland Indians payroll increased by this signing.
TwinDaddy29
They save $18M by dealing Kluber, they should be ok
oldleftylong
Lindor will be traded.
DarkSide830
he’s actually not that bad. if he stays healthy he’s above average at most facets of the game. nothing spectacular, but a reliable player.
believeland
Frankly, given how some aspects of our team look, someone that shows up everyday and is simply a reliable player sounds great.
PhilsPhan
Cesar isn’t a bad player. Always liked him. He’s not going to light the world on fire, but he’s solid and he’ll knock one out every once and awhile.
JamesDaltOn
Cesar is a solid 2nd baseman. Cleveland did well in adding him for a year.
nymetsking
decent player. Just wasn’t worth the arb figure he was expected to get.
imgman09
Better than Kipnis!
southern lion
Takin’ care of Kipnis, every day!
I know, lame BTO reference. Couldn’t help it.
ICanSeeTheFuture
If it makes you feel better, I appreciated it.
sufferforsnakes
Could also say that Kipnis was a ‘blue collar’ kind of player.
sam00991
nice underrated pickup
macstruts
The Indians needed a second baseman and got the best Free Agent second basemen available..
Good for the Indians.
ohioplayers
I like this signing too. Almost no risk on a 1 year deal and a pretty high floor from a relatively consistent batter. Ramirez knows he’s playing 3B all season, which should help him prepare
solaris602
Hernandez was best available 2B, so kudos to CLE for filling a need with quality. Just as importantly this should mean they don’t intend to bring Kipnis back.
ClevelandGuardians2021
Now sign Puig and keep lindor/clev.
believeland
If we signed Puig or Castellonos, with the rest of that roster; we’d be in a pretty good spot for 2020.
ClevelandGuardians2021
Can only hope
believeland
I feel like Puig could be had for 2/3 years at 10 million per, and if so, they should be all over him. He fit in perfectly with that clubhouse.
Moneyballer
Lol what?!?! Careful what you wish for. Puig doesn’t fit nicely into ANY clubhouse.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Puig was very well liked in Cleveland. Agree that they should re-up him if the price is right.
DockEllisDee
he was well liked in Cincy too
IndianRye
2 years late seeing this comment lol but why do you think he didn’t fit in? Crazy he didn’t play last year at all!
VonPurpleHayes
Hernandez is very good. Never a superstar, but always solid.
BennyTheBoss
Indians ownership is a joke. They never spend money.
ham77
Read above. It looks like they just spent $6.25M.
CKinSTL
They are middle of the pack in terms of payroll. Seems about right for a mid-market team..
Dbird777
Lol, they had payrolls of 131 and 142 million in ’17 and ’18 respectively. That was better than half the teams in baseball.
modifish
You’ll be surprised by Cesar….this is a good addition. Underrated… playing for poor Phillies teams during his time there….
stretch123
I feel a Lindor trade incoming…
User 3044878754
Yes
Lux to play SS
TheMick7
I don’t think the Dodgers will trade Lux. They’ve been pretty open about that.
sufferforsnakes
And front offices have never bs’d before?
User 3044878754
Good value signing….limited to 1 year
hockeyjohn
Good move by the Indians. I guess this ends the Lindor to the Reds stories as 3B, 2B, and CF are all spoken for. No room for Senzel.
User 3044878754
Lindor to the Dodgers…it’s going to happen
IndianRye
Looks like it didn’t….
believeland
I don’t think it prevents that from happening at all. Can move him to a corner OF spot, or do Tito’s favorite of shuffling players around.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen or wont happen. But they’d fins a spot to play him if they traded for him.
Jockstrapper
Good pickup!
HartnellDown
Nothing but love for Cesar. Good luck in Cleveland.
cussewagian
Solid signing.
david klein
Bargain contract
TheMick7
I agree with many on this site; it’s a good signing. I was hoping the Yankees would consider him for a lefty bat off the bench. From what I read, if Yankees try to trade for Lindor, it would likely take, Andujar, Frazier, and Garcia, plus another mid-prospect pitcher. I’d also recommend Wade as a piece to compensate for Andujar’s atrocious D. I don’t see it happening, but it would be cool to think of Lindor in pinstripes.
hockeyjohn
It would not have likely happened as Andujar can not play third. Now it is mute, because 3B is spoken for by Ramirez. with Hernandez at 2B.
Vandals Took The Handles
The Yankees will try Glayber for a year.
If he doesn’t work out, and Didi rehabs in Philly, then they’ll sign him to play SS next year.
sufferforsnakes
One problem with an offer (which I’d not accept) of that many players is, how do you fit them on the 40-man roster? There’s no room, and I’d guess the Tribe doesn’t consider any of them worth kicking someone else off of it.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Exactly. That’s exactly why they can’t accept some of these quantity over quality offers commenters keep throwing out here.
The 40-man is full, so if you are going to bring in 4 or 5 pieces and parts, they better all either have minor league options and years before they need to go onto the 40-man, or be able to beat out someone already on the roster. Trading Lindor only opens up one spot.
Sorry, but random out-of-options guys that need a 40-man slot, no matter how many of them, doesn’t work for CLE.
terry g
Or most other teams. That’s a very good point you guys have brought up. Thanks. Hopefully, others will consider that point when throwing their team’s “unwanted” together in trade proposals.
Eatdust666
He doesn’t really have power, but he gets a good amount of hits and walks as well as runs scored. Other than 2018, he hasn’t really struck out a lot, because that is his only one with 120 or more, he had 155. However, he still had a respectable .356 on base percentage, thanks a lot to a career high 95 walks, which would have been the second most on the Indians this year.
Brain
Hes a decent enough bottom of the order bat with fair fielding potential. He ran his course in Philly but a change of scenery might do him good
philsphan1979
Don’t be fooled by last years numbers. He bats for high average, and has pop in his bat for a smaller guy. Plus he has good speed on the bags. His defense is above average as well. Good signing. He needed a change of scenery
lfrient1
Certainly an upgrade over the declining skills of Kipnis. Though Kipnis was a good teammate and gave his all.
CKinSTL
Yeah, it is sad to see Kip go out like that. He had some really great years with the Tribe and always seemed like a solid dude.
hockiechick
So then the chatter on Twitter last night, citing “unnamed sources” that claimed Lindor, Clevinger and prospects to the Dodgers for Seager, Pederson and prospects not named Lux wasn’t true? Good, It sounded like the Indians were giving up waay too much.
hockeyjohn
It was comments from a bogus website that has already been suspended by twitter once.
Polish Hammer
Decent signing to plug a much-needed hole and considering what was out there on the market they did all right. Got him a decent price which for his WAR last year that’s a bargain.
themaven
A 2 WAR minimum player on an under market prove it contract.
Good move no matter how you look at.
Hernandez was the best free agent second baseman available considering all around ability with age factored in.
cussewagian
On a WAR/$ basis, it’s a huge steal. In 2019, 1 WAR was worth $8M. And I agree with you, he’s a 2 WAR player.
Vandals Took The Handles
Most of the time when I saw the Phillies play, Hernandez dogged it. Like his mind was somewhere else. Not the only Phillie that sloshed through games. That manager had a lot of his players messed up.
Let’s see how Tito works with him. Most guys love to play for him.
bravesfan
So I saw some random fan predict this would happen on some forum, the min he was released and I was like “hmm, this move makes a lot of sense”.
That fan, was me….
Burgeezy
No one cares bro
sufferforsnakes
I care.
User 3044878754
You can work for me….washing my car
Moneyballer
All this negativity over a 1-year cheap deal to hold down 2nd base!? Please, this is a minimal risk deal that won’t bite them in any way.
Thomas Bliss
I like this move for them. Both sides benefits from it.
Ognir200
The Indians are getting a nice quality second baseman. Seemed to me that Phillies fans were always looking for a reason to not embrace Cesar as their second baseman. To Phillies fans Cesar Hernandez will always be the guy who replaced Chase Utley and Chase was one of the most beloved players in Phillies history.
modifish
Most of us (Phillies fans) were happy with Cesar. He was solid. I think that the state of the team during his time here was what frustrated the fans. Lackluster rebuild, poor managers and a weak, value at the margins, GM can do that to you. Nothing went right. Signing Harper was really the only bright spot over the past few seasons, with a solid guy like Cesar just being lost in the muck. Hernandez is lucky to be out of this mess……
Bart Harley Jarvis
And Cesar lacked focus, was maddeningly inconsistent, didn’t run the bases well, and sometimes didn’t hustle. He has some nice tools, but he doesn’t seem to care enough to elevate his game. Maybe he’ll grow up in a new environment.
But he’s supposedly a nice guy, a good teammate, and a good clubhouse presence. Cleveland got a good deal.
soxsam32
Wrong Jose Ramirez link
sufferforsnakes
Isn’t it always?
WAH1447
I wish there was some sort of salary cap or something that required teams to spend a certain amount each year. For example the mlb could require teams to spend atleast 80% of the luxury tax threshold. This would eliminate teams from dumping stars and making sure teams don’t completely tank.
believeland
I would love something like that, but at least in the case of Lindor; he’s been pretty clear he always wanted to hit free agency. Now, that would help them keep some of their other guys in Cleveland (how good would Brantley have looked there last year?)
Vandals Took The Handles
@ WAH1447;
If they did that, no small market – or lower level mid-market – team would ever contend.
The way they do now is do a rebuild or a partial rebuild. They take the payroll down, and roll over money for when they’ll contend. When those youngsters that are promoted are successful in getting traction at the ML level, the FO can then use the money to bring in higher priced veterans either through free agency or taking on larger salaries in trade.
With your proposal, teams would have a chance to be 4th or 3rd in their division instead of 5th; or 3rd instead of 4th. And if some quality prospects come up to the majors, the teams won’t be able to add to them – as the White Sox are doing right now, Their fans will hardly turn out to see that year-after-year. It would guarantee that large market teams would forever have an advantage.
MannyPineappleExpress9
Isn’t there a minimum salary cap in the NFL? I seem to recall when it took effect Tampa Bay was basically forced to throw big $$ at average or below average players just to reach it.
And what happens when you have a handful of higher salary players reaching free agency at the same time, none of them want to or are worthy of being resigned, and you end up way under again? I for one would hate to see my team throwing 1/3 or more of total payroll at bad players just to avoid a financial penalty, when all that $ could be used later for contract extensions or signings the next year.
Perhaps a better idea is for MLB to not allow these clear salary dumps, and instead require a minimum amount of salary returning in every trade.
cdav45
A good portion falls on the MLBPA if not the majority of the responsibility. No player needs to be making $30M a yr. I’ve never seen a union fight so hard for the minority while disregarding the majority. A cap of $15M needs to be put in place and the floor significantly raised. Any savings Anne passed onto us fans so I don’t have to spend $400 or more to go to a damn baseball game. If college baseball were ever televised like college football, I would quit watching/following MLBlike I did the NFL. The NFL is structured a lot better than MLB too.
AussieTribeFan
The Indians now have an all switch hitting infield. Is that a MLB first? Tito will love it. Could help with the new three batter minimum..
Vandals Took The Handles
Great comment!
AussieTribeFan
Thanks.
When Sandy Leon Catches all five are switch hitters.
That has to be a first..
sufferforsnakes
Wow, that’s uniquely crazy!
Ognir200
1965 Dodgers had an all switch hitting infield but not a catcher. 1B:: Wes Parker; 2B: Jim Lefebvre 3B: Jim Gilliam: SS Maury Wills. Parker, Lefebvre and Wills all played over 150 games. Gilliam started 77 games at third. Their catcher, John Roseboro hit left-handed.: The Cardinals in the mid 80’s had Tom Herr, Ozzie Smith, Terry Pendleton, Vince Coleman and Willie McGee in their starting lineup but RH Jack Clark played 1B.
The Human Rain Delay
You’d actually lose a hair of value with the new 3 batter rule here relative to other teams
dematteo1982
Indians fans….if your team does let go of Lindor…let me know how you would feel about this trade…
Mets trade:
Rosario,Nimmo,Smith,Peterson and Sanchez
Indians trade: Lindor and a low level prospect…
Rosario replaces Lindor…he is young…improving every year…controlled for 3 more seasons…Nimmo is a solid of…better off in a corner…but can handle CF…gets on base…
Smith is young.versitile…improving every year…
Peterson is best Mets pitching prospect (behind Matt Allen) with #2 upside…prob a #3 or #4 tho..
Sanchez is a catching prospect who has gotten better each year…
Yes…you lose Lindor….but u get 3 MLB ready, controllable pieces and 2 good prospects…
I dont see another offer being better than this one in terms of staying competitive, yet gaining young, controllable assets
Let me know how you guys feel about this proposal. Merry xmas!
sufferforsnakes
Once again, where/how do you fit that many guys on an already full 40-man?
themaven
That’s a big no on that deal.
Rosario is a below average defensive shortstop and a league average hitter with only 4 years of control left.
Nimmo is damaged goods with a bulging disc problem in his neck.
Smith doesn’t have a position in Cleveland and is already 24 years old.
Indians don’t need pitching prospects they have their own .
They don’t need Sanchez either.
For 2 seasons of a top five player you would have to start a Mets deal with McNeil.
sufferforsnakes
With this signing I don’t see a deal with the Mets happening now.
terry g
I think this is a very good signing.
BobSacamano
Good sign tribe. I was hoping the Tigers would’ve signed him. Erik Mejia?
modifish
Been a fan of Hernandez since his Iron Pigs days. Cesar is a solid 2nd baseman. He’ll do well in Cleveland. He struggles at times on the basepaths but seemed better with that last season. I honestly would have been fine with him staying in Philly but Klentak likes to make his head scratching moves (dropping Cesar (2b) and Franco (3b) and then signing Didi at SS) that create more positional question marks. As with Franco, I’ll be rooting for Hernandez to be successful with his new team….
reds2010
As someone said above, I think this signing closes the door on trading Lindor. I also think that the Indians never intended to trade him in the first place. I think they were simply seeing what his value was. If they had been blown out of the water by someone, sure. But that was unlikely to happen and apparently didn’t.
themaven
The timing of the move coming right on the heels of the artificial deadline ploy the Tribe front office threw out there suggests you are correct.
However,if the Dodgers agree to deal Lux and one of May or Verdugo the Tribe will still trade Lindor.That’s the one deal that makes sense for Cleveland.
I don’t think the Tribe would seal for Senzel.He’s two years older than Lux and that’s very important to the Tribe front office.His injury history is a major concern as well.The Reds deal is a leverage move imho.
User 3044878754
The Lindor trade will be ANNOUNCED next Monday—- the same day the Browns fire their head coach Freddie Kitchens…… less negative PR that way on Lindor, because the Browns will be the story.
Avory
One person’s “salary dump” is another person’s “asset reallocation.”
I find it disturbing in a report on the signing one of the better free agent secondbase options out there, the author spends an entire paragraph editorializing on the Tribe’s “dumping” of Corey Kluber and drawing absurd conclusions from that move that are largely rendered erroneous just by the story he is purportedly telling.
Anybody with even partial insight into the approach of the Cleveland Indians would have reserved judgment on the organization’s plan of action on Kluber until the winter and 2020 trade deadline played out, but nooooooo, we still need to beat that dead horse even in an article describing the Hernandez signing. How ridiculous and misleading is that?
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Instead of properly describing the Kluber deal as essentially now Kluber for Clase, Deshields, Cesar Hernandez AND $7..5 million dollars (that can still be deployed elsewhere) the author still has to harrumph about “notable salary constraints” and “salary dumps” and “clearing salary’ and “light return” in an article that NOT ONCE properly relates the relationship between freeing up salary to SPEND elsewhere to improve the team, not disappear into thin air. Calling the writer’s “analysis’ pathetic would be being too kind by half.
There is nothing worse than a story that lazily repeats the same tired, hackneyed, and trite assessments of the Cleveland Indians that poorly informed fans just lap up. I guess if you just want to play to the peanut gallery and generate easy likes that’s the way to go, but it makes a mockery of actually informing people who might be looking for some genuine insight. So much for journalism, I guess.
Chief Wahoo Lives
I hope that this isn’t breaking a forum rule. My apologies in advance if it is breaking a rule.
Indians fans should click on this link to another sports website. It’s for the website footballsfuture.com the link that I’m providing is for an Indians forum on there.
forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/692-cleveland-ind…
Avory
I don’t know if it is against the rules, but after reading several pages of Browns fans lecturing me how inept and cheap the Tribe is…well, let’s just say, I think we’ll just let the record of each team speak for itself
The continuing irony is that delusional Cleveland fans are quick to deride the Indians but can’t wait to forgive the Browns. What a mess.
Chief Wahoo Lives
Those guys that are posting in that thread are fans of BOTH the Browns AND Indians.
For the record none of those posts were made by me.
But I totally agree with the post that mentions how the Dolan’s use attendance as an excuse, even though attendance barely matters anymore because of the massive revenue that each team makes from TV money.
There have been articles that mention how sports team owners feel that they could completely do away with in-stadium audiences and still make plenty of money from TV alone.
Making excuses for the Dolan’s greed is like family members and friends of drug users making excuses for the drug user. If they don’t hold the drug user accountable, and they just keep making excuses on behalf of the drug user. Then the drug user will never admit their problem and put in the work to quit drugs.
If people keep making excuses for the Dolan’s cheapness and greed, then they (The Dolan’s) will be more than happy to continue to skimp on team payroll and just keep raking in huge money without ever feeling a need to pay to put the team over the top and to win a World Series.
Avory
You, sir, are one of the delusional ones who share the typically shallow assessment that greed is holding the Tribe back, because ownership fails to “pay to put the team over the top.”
Ah, were it so simple, so easy. Pray tell, do the Dodgers fail to pay to put their team “over the top’? How about the Yankees…why have they failed in recent years? A failure to pay to put their team over the top? The Angels? The Tigers all those years Illitch was spending wildly…what caused them to fail? Sure seemed to me that they were “paying to put the team over the top.”
And the Tribe, which came within one game of scaling the mountain in 2007. Then one inning in 2016…I gather those teams were a dollar short, huh? All because of those greedy owners we have….no sireee, it wasn’t the players who fumbled it all away in ’07, ’16, and in ’17 after we were up 2-0 to the Yankees and barreling our way to another World Series.
Nope, those darn greedy owners. Those cheapskates. They were responsible.
And you think I’m on drugs?
themaven
The problem is that attendance does matter to baseball budgets,they play 81 home games a year.
If the Indians attendance had gone up in 2018 instead of down 7% during a season when they won 91 games and a divisional title,they could have kept Brantley with the revenue.
The Indians gross revenue is around 280 million a year they have to pay everything out of that,including taxes.
Their recent 25 man payrolls have taken up 45% of that number,above league average.
The first level of the luxury tax is 207million or 75 percent of their gross income.
You can’t blame the Dolans for the flawed economic system baseball operates under.
The Dolans have spent,first on Swisher and Bourn then on Miller,Encarnacion and Donaldson as well as spending money to lock in players like Kluber and Kipnis.Yet, during that time period fans have stayed away despite the team having 4 90+ win seasons in a row.Only once has attendance topped 2 million in that time period.
No team can survive with a negative cash flow for long,so a budget must be set and adhered to.To expect the Dolans to pay for the ML payroll out of their pocket when no other owner in baseball does is ludicrous.
As far as spending their accrued equity in the team,no other owner in baseball does it and the last owner of a sports franchise who did was Art Modell…………………..nuff said.
The Dolan’s investment in the team of 325 million in 2000 would yield a 775 million dollar profit in the unlikely event they could find someone to purchase the Indians for 1 billion dollars..That works out to 11.5 % a year yield.Nice but hardly the gold mine people portray it as,
People aren’t making excuses for the Dolan’s,it’s financial reality.
Cleveland fans are making excuses to not go see a winning team.
Really lame excuses,like blaming the owner for being cheap when they should be looking in the mirror.
sufferforsnakes
I’ve been accused on this site of making excuses, etc for the Dolans. What people don’t understand is that I really don’t give a squat what the Dolans do with their money or their profits.
They put up their own money to buy the team. That gives them the right to do whatever the heck they want.
Too many fans take things way too seriously when it comes to their teams. Myself? I try to just enjoy the greatest sport ever created. I love baseball.
Chief Wahoo Lives
@Avory
I did NOT suggest that you are on drugs.
In my ANALOGY the Dolan’s would be the drug users and you would be the family member or friend of theirs that is an enabler that makes excuses for them.
In all honesty, I highly doubt that fans criticizing them for their cheapness will change anything. Their cheapness means far more to them than the fans or the quality of play on the field.
But as long as fans make excuses for their cheapness, it guarantees that they will never spend more on the team.
The Dolan’s bought the Indians to be a huge money making business for them. Not to give Cleveland a World Series winner.
As long as the fans continue to make excuses on the Dolan’s cheapness, they will have a free pass to continue to be cheap unchecked.
Chief Wahoo Lives
@themaven
It is well documented that over the last 20 plus years that ticket sales is a very small part of the revenue of a MLB, NFL, NBA team. The huge money comes from TV. And the Indians have some of the best TV ratings in all of MLB.
I have a book that talks about the percentages of money that teams make from TV money as opposed to ticket sales. I will try sometime over the next few days to find the pages that discuss that topic.
You know how expensive it is for a man or woman to pay to take their family to an Indians game? You have to pay for a lot for parking, the game tickets themselves, food and drinks, etc, etc. It gets very expensive for ordinary working people to be able to pay for all of that. it
Most middle class families are living paycheck to paycheck these days. You can watch the games for free at home if you can manage to afford to pay for cable, and you get STO. And when the Dolan’s are as cheap as they are, and they claim that they will spend more money on team payroll when they are contenders, and they then fail to raise payroll, that gives working class families very little incentive to go to games.
I used to try to go to anywhere from 10 to 15 games a season at Jacobs Field back in the 90’s. I tried to go to 10 games a season at Municipal Stadium back in the 80’s. I went to many games with my parents back in the 70’s.
It was much cheaper to go to Indians games back then, and I didn’t have health issues back then like I do now.
Asking a middle class family to pay to go to a game now would be like asking the Dolan’s to spend 50 thousand dollars to go to a game as spectators. Let’s see how many games they would attend if they had to pay 50 thousand a game?
Chief Wahoo Lives
@sufferfortribe
“I really don’t give a squat what the Dolan’s do with their money or their profits. They put up the their own money to buy the team. That gives them the right to do whatever the heck they want.”
With that reasoning Art Model had every right to move the Browns to Baltimore or anywhere else that he wanted to. He would have even had the right to dissolve the team from the NFL. He would have had the right to put the worst players on the team as possible like Rachelle Phelps was trying to do in Major League. Or the Dolan’s would have the right to do that.
No one should ever by a team if they can’t afford to make the team a serious contender.
When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant. The owner was so cheap and greedy that he refused to hire managers. He himself would want to spend hours and hours at a time away from the restaurant which meant that there was rarely ever anyone there who had experience to run a restaurant. He would under-staff the restaurant no matter how busy we were. I was a teenager with no management training, yet I was basically acting as a manager without the training, title or managers pay.
When something would go wrong and you would call the owner and tell him that he had to come into the restaurant he would yell about how he was an owner not a manager. Yet he was too cheap to hire a manager.
I would imagine that leaving 2 or 3 under the age of 18 employees in the restaurant without adult management was probably illegal?
That man should have never bought a business if he couldn’t afford to run it right. And he should have been removed from ownership of a franchise.
Birdsfordays
“They put up their own money to buy the team. That gives them the right to do whatever the heck they want.
Too many fans take things way too seriously when it comes to their teams. Myself? I try to just enjoy the greatest sport ever created. I love baseball.”
@suffer
You are the fan that every cheap owner dreams of. You know what they say—Ignorance is Bliss.