The Angels bolstered their infield depth on non-tender day, announcing the acquisition of Gio Urshela from the Twins. Pitching prospect Alejandro Hidalgo lands in Minnesota on a one-for-one swap.
It’s the second consecutive offseason in which Urshela finds himself on the move. Minnesota acquired him alongside Gary Sánchez in the Spring Training blockbuster that sent Josh Donaldson and Isiah Kiner-Falefa to the Yankees. The deal was in large part about offloading the final three years of Donaldson’s contract, but Sánchez and Urshela each played key roles on the 2022 club.
Urshela, 31, spent the year as the Twins’ primary third baseman. He hit .285/.338/.429 with 13 home runs and 27 doubles across 551 trips to the plate. It was a step up from the .267/.301/.419 showing he’d posted during his final season in the Bronx, particularly when one considers offense around the league dropped from 2021 to ’22. Urshela cut his strikeout rate from a career-worst 24.7% to just 17.4%, making contact on an above-average 81% of his swings.
The Colombian-born infielder now owns a .290/.336/.463 line in over 1600 plate appearances since breaking out in 2019. He’s a quality contact hitter with solid gap power who has twice topped 25 doubles in a season. Urshela has only once topped 14 longballs, when he hit 21 during a 2019 season that featured an especially lively ball, and he doesn’t draw many walks. Yet he consistently hits for solid batting averages with enough doubles to make a decent impact from a power perspective. Overall, his offensive production over the last four years has been 18 percentage points better than the league average, in the measure of wRC+.
Urshela has a strong defensive reputation, although he’s gotten mixed reviews from public metrics for his glovework. Defensive Runs Saved has typically been fond of his work, pegging him as a cumulative five runs better than average at the hot corner over the last four seasons. Statcast has been far more bearish, rating him as below average each season and pegging him a total of 14 runs below par. Its Outs Above Average metric has docked Urshela for his lateral range in both directions.
The general perception of Urshela’s glovework seems to lead more towards him being an average to slightly above-average defender. It’d appear the Halos feel similarly, as it’s possible he ends up assuming a more demanding position in Anaheim than he has in his previous stops. The Angels have Anthony Rendon locked in at third base, and while the two-time Silver Slugger award winner has battled his share of injury issues in recent years, he’ll surely be in the lineup most days when healthy.
That’d seem to point towards Urshela getting more action in the middle infield, particularly at shortstop. The Angels got almost no offensive production at shortstop this past season, with Andrew Velazquez taking the bulk of the workload. Anaheim has David Fletcher to man one of the middle infield positions, with the bulk of his MLB experience coming at second base. Urshela looks as if he’ll be penciled in as the primary shortstop, where he has just 288 career innings at the highest level. That’d push Luis Rengifo into a utility role, but Urshela would be capable of kicking back over to third base if Rendon battles renewed injury concerns.
Urshela’s a short-term solution, as he has between five and six years of major league service. He’s in his final season of arbitration eligibility and will be a free agent at the end of the 2023 campaign. MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects him for a $9.2MM salary, which’ll bring the Halos’ projected payroll up past $181MM, per Roster Resource. That’s not far off their approximate $188MM Opening Day mark from this past season, which was a franchise record. With owner Arte Moreno exploring a sale of the franchise, it’s not clear how much budgetary space is available for general manager Perry Minasian and his staff. They’re clearly attempting to reload in an effort at snapping their playoff drought, previously adding starter Tyler Anderson on a three-year, $39MM free agent deal that also cost them a draft choice.
The Twins subtract from the big league roster, but they figure to allocate the money they would have had to commit to Urshela to upgrades elsewhere on the roster. As MLBTR explored last month, dealing the veteran to free some payroll space looked like a possibility in light of their infield depth.
Minnesota has young corner infielder José Miranda capable of stepping in at the hot corner after a .268/.325/.426 showing in 483 plate appearances as a rookie. The 24-year-old has some defensive question marks, but he came up through the minor league ranks as a third baseman. He spent the bulk of his innings at first base this year, but kicking him back up the defensive spectrum could allow them to incorporate players like Alex Kirilloff and Luis Arraez more often at first. It also opens the possibility of the Twins dipping into free agency or trade for a traditional first base/DH slugger.
Minnesota also adds a young arm to the lower levels of the farm system. Hidalgo is a 19-year-old righty out of Venezuela. He made 10 starts with the Angels’ Low-A affiliate in Inland Empire, allowing a 4.62 ERA across 39 innings. Hidalgo struck out an excellent 33.1% of opposing hitters, but a 10.9% walk rate demonstrates he’s still battling control issues common for teenage hurlers. Baseball America slotted him 18th in the Angels system midseason, praising a potentially plus curveball and writing that his fastball reaches into the mid-90s. He’s a lower-level developmental flier who’ll need to be added to Minnesota’s 40-man roster or be exposed to the Rule 5 draft at the end of the 2023 season.
Jeff Passan of ESPN first reported the Angels were acquiring Urshela for Hidalgo.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
CravenMoorehead
Woahz
davemlaw
Wha, Wha, WHAT?!!!!
This reminds me of a fantasy baseball trade where one owner deals with ONLY one other owner, gets fleeced and all the other owners complain.
It seems the Twins could have got a larger haul here. I don’t know anything about Hidalgo but this is a huge get for the Angels. What does this mean for Rendon? And are the Angels going to contend next year?
Head Scratcher.
Samuel
davemlaw;
Mr. Ohtani seems to like Orange County, and it appears would like to stay in his house rather than relocate. But he wants to win.
A sale may be pending, we don’t know. But it’s more attractive to everyone involved to win in 2023. Perry Minasian spent a few years clearing out the deadwood and putting some structures in place. I believe he’s been given the OK to kick the door down.
OIC2021
Guardian management is high-fiving each other watching all the teams in the Central implode. Very, very poor deal for the Twins.
YourDreamGM
I would rather drop the 9 million and add a interesting arm. I dunno how much better they could have done. Most teams don’t want him for ss and some want more power from 3b.
Halo11Fan
Fangraphs had him 17th out of 22 at third. Minasian said he’s a depth piece. He plays like a depth piece. He’s a nice depth piece. He is not a plan “A” player. If something happens and you need, you won’t feel sick he’s out there.
Deadguy
The Angels need pitching, which they traded away to get Urshella, if they are hoping to compete?
Halo11Fan
The Angels don’t need starting pitching. Urshela is an OK player. Because the Angels have no plan B, and two players coming off serious injury, I’m glad they brought him in, but he was pretty much a salary dump. The Angels didn’t give up anything.
yallhaters
Steal for LA
CravenMoorehead
100%. Meanwhile us Yankee fans are looking forward to another year of Drama Donaldson.
refereemn77
Was nice of Cashman to take that contract off the Twins hands!
JPR
I had almost purged Donaldson from my memory, dammit.
JackStrawb
@CravenMoorehead Remember when Yankees fans were excited to see Donaldson’s red-arse game bring a docile Yankees team alive?
Deadguy
I spent the whole post season trying to figure out how Donaldson ended up on the Yankees? I like the fit mainly because I don’t care for either of them so naturally in my brain they belong together
TommyLasutton
*Anaheim
Curveball1984
Good news for Gio. He won’t have to wear those hideous new Twins lolz jerseys.
CravenMoorehead
And he’ll get to look forward to warmer weather when his offseason starts when the postseason begins.
vikingbluejay67
Angels…postseason?!?
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Hey hey!!!! Easy Vikings!!! Us Halo fans try not to speak so positively and upbeat till July!!! But I like your style…
Edp007
Hey buddy, you guys got a major leaguer to play third. Congrats..!!!! long time coming
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Hahaha I thought they were sticking him at SS?!?!?? Two Bags is feeling great and ready to kick a$$!
Edp007
Forgot about Rendon for a minute lol
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007, I was confused myself for a sec. I was thinking wow he has really given up on Rendon 110% haha
Deadguy
That’s sad, I remember when this really great slugger signed there for 10 years 240 million and was quoted saying “I’ll have a better chance to win championships there than St Louis?” Then only made the playoffs once in his 9 and half years before being released
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Morning surf trips @ The Wedge with Shohei no doubt!
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That was in response to you Craven haha
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
You get what you trade for. Cashman loves the aging superstars.
JackStrawb
@pwndroia He does indeed. They’re safe. You can justify it at the end of the year, even when you’ve missed the WS again.
“Such a shame. He’s been a star for a long time. Tough to forsee a dropoff like this. We’ll get ’em next year.”
dirkg
It’s not even Thanksgiving and the Angels already missed the postseason next season. We sure have some talented soothsayers typing on this board.
Johnny Bravo
Durk
Oh, a gypsy for fortune teller reading the marijuana leaves
Longtimecoming
Your comment about the bad Twins uni reminds me of how Chris Paddack (traded to Twins just prior to opener) made negative comments about not having to look like a UPS truck anymore!
Curveball1984
The Pads look great, but yeah that Paddack zinger was awesome.
BuyBuyMets
Paddock barely had to worry about wearing any uniform last year
outinleftfield
Chris Paddack won’t be seen in any major league uniform until 2024 at this point. Karma?
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Awesome I think. I’ll defer to my pals Clip and YBC on this one though. Pretty sure they watched him play much more than me.
ruff kuntry
That’s all the Twins got??
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Yeah what’s the catch? As I peruse Gio’s baseball reference page I haven’t seen a red flag yet…I must be missing something.
Joe says...
Minnesota clearing money off the books to re-sign Correa?
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Joe said it first…
CursedRangers
To Joe’s point, Gio will likely make around $10M next year.
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Rather the Angels pay 10 mil a year for him if he works out than 30 mil for another shortstop.
GMoney2850
Rentals
Have
No
Value
How many times do you need to see it? Christ
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GMoney, They got him for a guy that won’t be in the show for years if ever. Don’t see the harm..
GMoney2850
I’m not saying it’s a bad trade for LA. Just saying that his value as an average big leaguer w/ one year left on his deal isn’t high.
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If he does well the Halos may want to buy him for another 2 or 3 years. As it stands it can’t hurt.
carllafong
Yeah, you’re very wrong. This is a solid major league player on both sides of the ball. He can play short, but he could also platoon at first with Walsh–who won’t be ready at the start of the season. If Rendon goes down, or I should say when he goes down the Angels will have a legit third baseman. This is the depth they’ve needed. Great versatility and very good production. He’s a career .290 hitter on a team that didn’t have a single player hit .290 last year. The Angels are loaded with lower level pitching after stocking it over the past two drafts.
Halo11Fan
You’re wrong. He’s a bad defensive third baseman. The evidence is overwhelming.
luclusciano
Bad is a stretch. He’s not phenomenal – but he is average at worst, above average on most days. Has a good arm – main complaint is his range. Halo11Fan – I think you will be pleasantly surprised with him.
carllafong
Buddy, why are you such a contrarian? Have you watched this guy play? He was a fan favorite in NY for a reason. Many people were furious he was traded. He’s a career .290 hitter– did anyone on this team hit .290 last year– no. The guy is an excellent defender. I don’t know what bologna metric you are citing that some stat geek came up with that has you blathering that he’s bad– he’s not . If you watch him play you’ll like him.
Halo11Fan
No, I go by the people who watch every play, measure the velocity of the batted ball, measure the angel of the batted ball, measure the time where he fields the ball and gets it to where he throws the ball, measures the speed of the base runner, measures how much ground he covers, the time of his first step… and so on.
I’m not so arrogant that I ignore the people who objectively do this for a living. Although I do realize many people are. But that’s not me.
carllafong
I’ve watched him play–A LOT. He’s very good defensively. He’s a .290 career hitter. These are the depth moves we need to compete. They have two aircraft carriers in Trout and Ohtani, and if he’s healthy maybe even three with Rendon. All they need is league average players or better at every position and coming off the bench. Most of the defensive metrics are highly arbitrary. You would not have done well in 1945 =when they’re marching people to the ovens with a smile– question authority my friend.
JPR
The evidence is mixed and depends largely on whose data you choose to look at
Halo11Fan
I’m glad you watched him play.
As I said, I’m not so arrogant that I dismiss the people who do this for a living.
I’ve watched Rengifo play as well, and argued with the other people who watched him play about him being nominated for a gold glove.
I watched him play and the data supported my opinion. The point… I believe in data, and when the data disagrees with me, I typically don’t ignore it and say I’m smarter.
prov356
halo – One of the guys on MLB Tonight just said, “I don’t think there’s anyone much better with the glove than Gio”. Maybe they see something you don’t. Regardless, he’s a very good pick up for us.
Halo11Fan
Baseball tonight?
I looked up what DRS is. This is a quote. “Even your eyes aren’t going to do a great job measuring defensive performance because you simply can’t watch and remember enough plays a year to have a good sense of exactly how well a player stacks up against the competition. You might be able to judge a single play better than the metrics (although that’s debatable), but your ability to recall every play and compare them is limited. Run value defensive stats like DRS provide you with the best estimate of defensive value currently available and allow you to estimate how much a player’s defense has helped his team win.”
Now here is what I say. DRS is not the best anymore. It’s better than the eyes, but it’s not the best.
Statcast does a better job. It doesn’t rely on metrics; it relies on what is actually happening. They don’t apply a vector or label something a “softly hit ball”.
carllafong
How about the eye test? Does this count any longer? Or is everyone deferring responsibility to metrics devised by stat geeks? What baseball person says he’s bad, or just okay? This guy is an elite glove and one of the best at third in the league. Really hard to believe anyone here is saying otherwise. Watch a highlight reel and enjoy his glove work.
prov356
I’m with you fong. People have gotten way too caught up in stat minutia that either doesn’t mean anything or is subjective. You often hear guys talk about a mediocre pitcher followed by the comment, “but he has a great spin rate”. Or a hitter who can’t hit but hear the comment, “but his hard hit rate is great”. If a pitcher with a high spin rate can’t get batters out, then spin rate is irrelevant. Same for hitters with good hard hit rates. If they hit the ball hard for an out, then it doesn’t matter. There should be a correlation between the stat and performance.
There’s a place for the information, but not as the main indicator of a player’s ability. When MLB flashes stats for a hitter walking to the plate, for example, they still use batting average. But I’m a dinosaur.
prov356
here’s a Urshela defense reel for those Urshela doubters:
youtube.com/watch?v=hf0_AenXJZ0
prov356
I posted this below, halo, but wanted to make sure you saw it:
youtube.com/watch?v=hf0_AenXJZ0
I don’t know how you can say he’s a bad defensive player. I understand they pick the best plays for these videos, but a guy who makes these plays, even if he misses a few others, can never be characterized as a “bad defensive third baseman”.
prov356
and halo, here is the paragraph from the Angels site article posted this morning:
“Urshela is known for his above-average defense, but his addition also helps the Angels add some contact to their lineup. The club led the Majors in strikeouts last year, while Urshela made strides in that regard, cutting his strikeout rate from 24.7 percent to 17.4 percent and making contact on 81 percent of his swings. For context, the Angels struck out in 25.7 percent of their plate appearances with a contact rate of 75.1 percent.”
It seems the baseball people find his defense to be great.
Halo11Fan
DRS has Bregman and Machado on the bad third baseman list and Urshala on the good list.
Statcastcast and Fangraphs has Bregman and Machado on the good third baseman list and Urshela o the bad one.
If your eyes tell you Machado and Bregman are bad…you need new eyes.
JackStrawb
@carllafong Why do people so vehemently resist the fact that current defensive metrics are really only the ‘eye test’ from a guy with a perfect memory and 20-10 vision, who watches every inning and every play and pitch of all 30 teams and all 780 players on MLB rosters on any given day, and can file and compare those plays to a certainty given the algorithms governing the data collection?
Halo11Fan
Jack. I can answer that in one word. Arrogance.
I watch Fletcher hot dog every play with a quick release and an off balance throw. He continually makes easy plays look hard. My eyes tell me he’s a hot dog, who is overrated. Metrics say he’s really good, almost as good as others on this board think. I believe the metrics.
Bobby Grich was a great second baseman. Fletcher doesn’t play defense anything like him. How can the eye test measure both?
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Halo11, Fletch a hot dog?!?!? Come on now…He is a humble little guy just like Eckstein. The fella is just trying to get something on the throw. He doesn’t have a Correra arm. You are a Halo fan right?? Never heard such negativity towards Fletch from a fellow Halo fan!
Halo11Fan
DRS has Machado and Bregman as bad defensive third baseman. Fangraphs has Ursula ranked 17th out of 22 last year. Over the last three years, statcast has him ranked 27th out of 32.
Seriously people.
Halo11Fan
Yes. He never sets his feet. He’s always throwing the ball falling away, even though he has plenty of time to set and throw. He makes routine plays look hard. He even makes routine DPs look hard by throwing the ball falling into LF. The eye test should tell you that? What the eye test can’t do is tell you how much that extra movement cost outs. Metrics can.
He gets the job done. Which is a surprise to me. But I believe the metrics.
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He is just Eckstein 2.0
He is a little guy trying to do big league stuff. Fletch plays hard and is scrappy. He is due for a really good year. Maybe more long toss this off season for him!
Halo11Fan
Fletcher? Eck wasn’t flashy. Except they seemed to get the most from their talent, I don’t find the players similar. Fletcher got a great contract otherwise he might be a non-tender candidate. He has that in common with Eck. But I doubt that’s what you had in mind.
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Eck is a Halo legend. You didn’t know that?
Halo11Fan
Eck is a legend? I liked Eck a lot, but the Angels non tendered Eck and then got a World Series ring from the Cardinals.
So I’m not sure what your point is.
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My point is that I think you aren’t really much of a Halo fan.
carllafong
I’ll explain it to you. For guys like me who played at a pretty high level and are lifers— it’s hard to understand how Ketih Olberman who never played and is as fat as a house can explain baseball to me. These stat geeks come up with metrics that don’t have iron clad reasoning. How are they comparing defensive play of players today to eras where we have no video of the games? But they do and with certainty. I’m sure it provides some insights, but it is not a tool I rely on.
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Carla, I don’t know who you are replying to, but my reply was not to you. I agree with a lot of what you had said. High level ball runs in my whole family. I played college and some solid indy ball myself but that is another story. I can’t abide the advanced metric stat geeks…Old school ball. You evaluate talent with your eyes not a spreadsheet.
carllafong
For some reason my response to someone else posted under you… I understand.
Halo11Fan
I once took out Chili Davis at a play at the plate, and when I helped him up, he told me and I quote,You’re playing ball man, you’re just playing ball.” I’ll take his word for it, and not yours.
Ra
“Fan favorite in NY”
“people were furious when he was traded”
“did anyone hit .290”
“bologna metric”
“stat geek”
This comment convinced me that Halo11fan is right that Urshela is below average as an MLB starter, at best.
Ra
Ah, the parochial NT media stroking a former Yanker. Imagine that.
Ra
Sounds like you want to go back to 1945. The only way to judge players is Batting Average, Fielding Percentage and Eye Test. Halcyon days indeed.
Ra
Every player looks great in highlight reels, Sheesh!
Ra
Who would think the Angels would promote the player they just traded for?
Ra
If Eckstein is a “Halo legend,” it is a poor reflection of the franchise’s history.
Ra
Halo11fan makes more substantial arguments than you other Angel fans and sounds far more knowledgable about baseball
Ra
Again, the pejorative “stat geeks.” That will show everyone who is the expert. You know better, of course. Do you call your doctors “medical geeks” and challenge their professional expertise, too?
Ra
This is what people call “Appeal to Authority” fallacy. PS a lot of people played college and semi-pro – it doesn’t impress.
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Halo11 has a 2nd username under “Ra.” Pretty lame.
prov356
TJ – Actually I think that’s his wife.
prov356
Just kidding Halo. You and I agree on stuff and we disagree on other stuff. The problem I have is you get fixated on your opinion and you throw insults at anyone who disagrees with you. There are some good baseball minds on here, mine being the least among them. I enjoy the debate and some of it, including points you have made, has changed my mind on what I thought. That’s what the comments are for. Cheers.
prov356
Ra – “Every player looks great in highlight reels, Sheesh!”
That’s why I included this statement: “I understand they pick the best plays for these videos…”
phantomofdb
GMoney2850 you’re spouting a bad take for someone getting frustrated by other peoples takes. He was productive and wasn’t a must-trade situation and they’re trying to compete. They got a lottery ticket for him
GMoney2850
His value at that price isn’t higher than that of a lotto ticket. You’re over-valuing him
Halo11Fan
I’ve stopped going by DRS a while ago. It’s outdated.
Does anyone actually believe Machado was a bad third baseman last year?
DRS might become more accurate once the shift is banned, but right now, it’s not very good.
JackStrawb
Is everyone forgetting Spencer Steer? A 24yo 3Bman with an .879 OPS in AAA in 2022. He’s why the Twins are saving $9.2m in 2023.
ruff kuntry
You’re wrong, and you need to take a chill pill.
GMoney2850
Source: trust me brah
You don’t think they shopped him around the league lol? Just called up the Angels and said give me your 28th best prospect and made the deal in 5 mins?
These guys do this 24 hours a day man. You really think if they had a better offer they wouldn’t have taken it?
Hello, Newman
Is it just coincidental it happened before the non tender deadline?
Tim Stewart
Exactly, and this gives the twins an open 40-man roster spot to pick up a rule-5.
kellin
Twins didnt actually get a rule 5, they got Kyle Farmer
outinleftfield
You do this ZERO hours a day. They do it all day long, all year round. They thought they got a great return. A 19 year old who struck out 13.4 per 9 in his first full season in pro ball.
outinleftfield
Not. A. Rental. The Angels get him for a full year.
Ichirosasaki
Trade trout trade and go to Disneyland
Jm207* 2
Is Gio going to play short?
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Sure looks like it
brodie-bruce
given rendon’s recent track record of health gio will be at 3b by may 5
pohle
i expect rendon to pick up plenty of time at dh, with urshela rengifo fletcher and velasquez(theyll probably look to upgrade here) splitting infield time
angelsfan4life
He will play third. Move Rendon to first. That will save on his hip issues and won’t have to throw across the diamond, will save on his arm. I can see Rengifo could be flipped for bullpen help.
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That mean we teach Walsh to play LF? Maybe?
Halo11Fan
Ohtani is the DH and will likely DH 150 times next year.
Halo11Fan
Walsh was an all-star two years ago. And an excellent defender.
You might want to spell him against LH, but he’s the Angels starter.
Halo11Fan
You don’t screw with a young player like that, moving him to LF will be a mistake that is unlikely to work.
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You mentioned Rendon at 1B is why I asked…Believe me I agree. Just look at Lux.
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Halo11, sorry another poster mentioned Rendon at 1B. Not you.
carllafong
Walsh had a serious surgery that not everyone comes back from. He had a horrible year when the league adjusted to him. He doesn’t hit lefties well. Maybe he bounces back, but he’s not starting the season until May or June. And even if Walsh is back the team can platoon them. If the team tanks he’ll also have value at the trade deadline. A quality move for an above average major leaguer with experience– winners need this depth.
Halo11Fan
carllafong
Walsh did have a serious injury, which is why I like the Depth move.
Walsh’s A game is better. But I’m glad the Angels are going into the year with a reasonable plan “B”.
hiflew
They could always trade Walsh for a middle infielder or bullpen help.
carllafong
Did you say May 5 or April 5?
brodie-bruce
tbh should be april but i was being generous and was going to rendon a good month before he stubs his toe and is out until 24
GoogleMe
Well on one hand, we got an upgrade. On the other hand, where are you going to play him. He is probably best at the corner IF positions but we have Rendon and Walsh. Are we just going to wait for one of them to get hurt as per usual? There are more glaring holes to fill. Particularly in LF and the bullpen. I don’t think moving Walsh to the OF will be good. I would have much rather sign a guy like Haniger. He shouldn’t cost much and can hit 30 HRs
carllafong
You can play him at short, platoon him at first with Walsh and he’s a legit third basemen if Rendon goes down. A great player off the bench. Really solid move.
Halo11Fan
Carliafong.
I agree with that.
I don’t think the plan is for him to get more than 300 ABs, but no one will cry if he gets 550.
He’s the quintessential depth piece.
GoogleMe
@carl I am fine with the move, but the reality is that this move puts the Angels where they have been payroll wise. If they increase the payroll to fill the voids elsewhere.
Here are the moves I would like to see.
1. Sign Haniger to play LF. He is capable to 30 HR and is relatively cheap. The Mariners traded for Hernandez so he wont be back with them
2. Sign Chafin and/or Ottavino. The quartet of Loup, Tepera, Iglesias and Bradley didnt work out last year, so lets try it again. We will have some actual inhouse bullpen next year, but we have to buy it for now.
3. Sign Senga. I real think the Angels will make a run at him. There is a lot of potential suitors in Japan that are interested in the Angels because of Ohtani. This will only help solidiy that interest. It will give the Angels one of the best rotation in the league. I truly believe they will make a run at him.
carllafong
I don’t have any arguments with your personnel wants– in fact I agree with Haniger. He could really help transform this offense to elite. They should go hard on Senga. I like Chafin especially, but they can trade for bullpen arms and they have a couple in the minors that could be ready and impactful. But if Gio’s $9M crashes the budget then we are in trouble. They have to have depth. Without it we will have the same results. If Rendon goes down who plays third? For me, Fletcher should be the super-sub. Moreno is going to sell this club for close to a billion dollars– he can afford to expand the payroll. He owes it to the team and fans. If he doesn’t and they play .500– Ohtani will leave. If Ohtani leaves it will be very likely Trout asks for a trade. They must go all in this year. Gio and Anderson are short term deals. Ultimately, if this team is winning the team is that much more attractive to a buyer.
GoogleMe
Angels will sell for much more than a billion dollars, 2.5 to 3 billion from all indications. Arte can go all out, but this $185 million payroll has been an impassible barrier for many years. I hope he does it, but until he does, I have may doubts. They have made some good moves. Let’s hope the momentum keeps on growing.
seamaholic 2
Who’s playing 3B in Minny next year?
bigben
Miranda
bigben
Jose Miranda
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Miguel Angel Jean Sano coming back.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Until he bats himself back to St. Paul.
Johnny Bravo
Daddy is playing 3rd
outinleftfield
Kyle Farmer?
HalosHeavenJJ
Oh hell yeah!!!
Let’s get left field next.
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HHJJ it almost seems we are on a mini roll huh?? Hahahaha
HalosHeavenJJ
Yes. If you’ve read any of my recent pieces I’ve been pining for an infielder who can cover multiple positions. I was thinking Joey Wendle or someone along that tier.
Urshela is leagues better.
Now the Angels can rotate Rendon, Urshela, Fletcher, and Rengifo though the lineup, giving each plenty of rest. Also, this keep Soto in AAA and Neto on the development path.
Dare I say, it? That’s the beginning of having actual depth.
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Arte just might hang on to the team haha
brodie-bruce
come on trumbo i wouldn’t wish that on any fan lol
HalosHeavenJJ
I wouldn’t be surprised if Arte upped payroll a bit this year to try to go out winner.
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HHJJ probably got it right on his post below…
urnuts
More than a bit, please $220 million in 2023 and $240 million in 2024 after Othani signs $38 million AV mid season.
carllafong
If they don’t up their payroll significantly they will lose Ohtani. Lose Ohtani and Trout might ask for a trade. Moreno is going to get a billion dollars for this franchise if they are winners. I expect them to add a top of the rotation starter, three bullpen pieces, and a left fielder. That’s going to take them well over $200M– but he will get that investment back in the sale.
HalosHeavenJJ
Arte is getting $2.5 to $3 billion for the franchise as losers.
The team’s luxury tax number was right at $210 million last year per Spotrac. Keep in mind that includes about $20 million of player benefits and minor league salaries.
At this point, Arte is likely trying to avoid long term deals. New owners won’t want to take that one.
Best case scenario is the sale wraps up early and the new owners can add talent this year and park a Brinks truck in Ohtani’s driveway.
outinleftfield
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!! Don’t curse us like that Jumbo! Arte. Must. Go.!!!!
outinleftfield
$206.8 million for the CBT calculations. The threshold was at $230 million for 2022 and its at $233 million for 2023
nosake
Otani’s gonna need that Brinks truck now that he’s being sued over the FTX fiasco.
Samuel
Told some guy from Seattle yesterday that was running down the Angels that LF will be done.
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Pollock?
Samuel
Perry Minasian just keeps making more and more of the right moves. Gio is solid (Yankees don’t care for those types of players).
The cumulative effect will show this year.
Top heavy teams don’t work. All players on the 26 man roster have to contribute.
Orioles2024
This isn’t a rotisserie baseball league move to put Gio Urshela at SS?
Great glove at 3B. But that isn’t SS.
Halo11Fan
Urshela was -5 in outs above average at 3rd last year, He’s never been a good defensive 3rd baseman.
It’s hard to discuss things when people can write things that have no basis in reality.
Orioles2024
Urshela was at 4 DRS last season. He came up as a glove only prospect who finally started hitting.
Fielding stats aren’t very reliable. Good was a better word though
Halo11Fan
He was a DRS of 4. And DRS is not as good as Statcast.
Stat cast doesn’t put things in a vector of .17 for a softly hit ball. They measure things a lot more closely than that.
Samuel
Orioles2024;
I missed it…..
Where did the Angels announce that they were going to play Urshela at SS?
Orioles2024
@Samuel
Are they going to pay Anthony Rendon 30 million bucks to ride the bench?
I think presuming their plan is to play him at SS is obvious.
Shohei Ohtani mans DH most nights.
Samuel
Orioles2024;
Apparently you missed the post below where Perry Minasian said Gio would primarily be playing 1B and LF.
Learn to throw the depth chart out. Don’t stereotype.
Orioles2024
Obviously I did.
But again he’s never played these positions. I see your fond of Minasian but this would qualify as a rotisserie league move. Jared Walsh is going to got a lot of 1B reps so it seems OF is where he’d mostly play then.
Kinda like the White Sox do….I feel like you probably would’ve taken this differently had it been them plugging him in LF. We’ll see how this goes. But at 10MM it’s not a complete bargain.
Ra
The Angels have not said Urshela will play SS but some Angel fans in the comments are convinced he will play there when Rendon plays 3B. It’s insane, I agree.
aragon
is he your uncle or something? or lover, maybe?
Samuel
Are you over 11 years-old?
Ra
Intellectually 11 years old, he sounds like.
orange2001
Perry Minasian is actually working this offseason?! Angels off to a good offseason start. Need a left fielder, catcher, and closer/relievers.
Samuel
Perry Minasian has been working since he got there.
Smart GM.
aragon
LMAO, dumdum! he was terrible first 3 seasons.
carllafong
First three seasons? He’s starting his third now.
Samuel
aragon;
How many weeks have you been following MLB?
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Orange knows…
HalosHeavenJJ
Perry is a pro but he also has to realize this off season is an audition for both his job and 29 others.
This is his equivalent to putting out game film.
Halo11Fan
Minasian has made very few right moves.
I’m actually trying to think of one. Can you? Maybe Iglesias.
He’s made some moves that can work out, but has he made moves that have actually worked out?
HalosHeavenJJ
The Iglesias and Thor trades were salary dumps and have Arte’s handprints all over them.
The signings of Tepera and Loup made perfect sense a the time but they under performed.
I like the addition of O’Hoppe although I do miss Marsh. Not like Marsh’s improvement with Philly would’ve happened with our coaching staff.
Bart
Marsh didnt improve. Firstly, the Phillies put him in a strict platoon in CF. He did very well against Was and Mia and not so well against everyone else. He still strikes out too much and has little power for a man of his size.
Halo11Fan
Moves can both make sense and not work out.
I like this move. However, my point is simple. Perry has not made good moves. If you are optimistic there are moves that will work out, I share some of your optimism.
But when someone says this is yet another good move, they don’t have much credibility.
HalosHeavenJJ
I can agree with that.
I was actually a big proponent of Perry not making any trades his first year here. He needed to know if there was any talent on the farm or not. What if he traded a guy the experts graded lowly but his team though was good?
But last year he made no moves to address shortstop, which was just incompetent.
i like al conin
Just recently: signing last off-season’s players to just one-year deals, trading for O’Hoppe and clearing out plenty of payroll space for 2023.
Halo11Fan
I’m not complaining about those moves, but they are “potentially” good moves. They are not good moves yet.
i like al conin
They’re good moves now. Shows there’s a strategic plan in place and being implemented. And O’Hoppe was a huge get for nothing more than a 4th OF in Marsh.
Bart
Completely agree. And Minasian isnt burdening the team with long term contracts. He is also rebuilding the scouting and development departments which isnt obvious to us fans.
Halo11Fan
Perry did very little to help the 2021 and 2022 teams.
And almost every single one of his moves he made to improve the teams those years didn’t work.
I really don’t see how that is remotely debatable.
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urnuts
Marsh is more than a 4th Ofer. He is a gold glove CFer who will be a good OFer who hits 280, 15 HRs, 360 OBP, 15-20 steals. You need players like theses for fill the gap between the stars and average players. Going to be missed. I wish Adel was traded to Philly. Likely our OF would be set with Marsh.
aragon
i share your opinion. adell was so mis-used by the terrible temp worker maquerading as a manager.
i like al conin
Marsh can hit 15 HR, steal 15-20 hitting .280? He hasn’t done any of that nor did he have much power in the Minors. The Angels TV propaganda built him up into what he’s not. He’s a 11 HR/10 SB player with a weak avg., 680 OPS, a good glove and too much undeserved hype.
carllafong
Come on guy– what are you talking about? O’Hoppe tore it apart last year. I’ll tell you what he didn’t do– he didn’t sign Rendon, or Upton. He’s smart, but he has been limited in payroll. That looks to be changing this season.
Tim Stewart
Halo11, there are lots of small moves that have improved the team. The pitching staff has grown a lot top to bottom. when Perry came here was there many relievers you could count on to even give you middle innings? There were few Prospects of promise at AAA. The Starting pitching has really improved. I am most impressed with the starting Depth they should have for next year. I like Chase Silseth a lot Look at that AA last year they were loaded with players Perry got. Much of that team will be at AAA in 23. this is amazing how fast and how far they have come. If they have injuries they look to be in much better shape.
GoogleMe
@urnuts you’re not getting O’Hoppe for Adell, maybe Moniak.
carllafong
Are you serious with this? He’s had two very good drafts. I believe the top 15 Angels prospects are all Minnassian draftees except for one– that tells you how bad the drafting was under Eppler. He’s responsible for allowing Ohtani to play everyday without resting– that alone makes him a star. Last year was the first time in many years that we had a good starting rotation. He traded marsh at the right time for O’Hoppe who will be our catcher and is a future star. I also believe Moniak is going to be a very good player, but the kid broke his hand three times last year.
Halo11Fan
He wasted the best pick the Angels had this century. As for having two very good drafts… that’s what you believe. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s not.
However, what is true, he did waste the best pick the Angels have had this century on a pitcher who may one day be a good RP. And that’s not where you spend the best pick you have in a century.
GoogleMe
@carl He has done quite well in the draft. If you look at the Angels top prospects, it is loaded with talent. It is a far cry from what it used to be with Adell, Marsh, and something like a Jordyn Adams and Jerimiah Jackson as your 2nd or 3rd best prospects. They dont have a lot of “top 100” talent so 99% posters won;’t understand what Perry is building.
urnuts
Needs to save his job.
aragon
ain’t happening. new owner would not tarnish himself with arte’s dummies.
Samuel
aragon;
OK – you’re a troll.
Mute.
prov356
Samuel – I’ve tried to engage aragon in debate before and he never responds. He is the definition of a troll.
LordD99
Twins dump Gio based on projected cost.
Brendan Guttmann
Good for Gio, nice weather and plus for Angels
Old York
Did the Twins get this guy for throwing BP? 34 hits and 19 BB in 39 innings.
outinleftfield
13.4 SO/9 in his first season in full season ball.
elmedius
Rendon to DH or 1B?
kellin
He’s gotta show he can stay healthy, first. DH is still Ohtani’s for the short term.
outinleftfield
DH is Ohtani’s as long as he is an Angel.
HalosHeavenJJ
Probably the IL, which means Urshela, Fletcher, and Rengifo around the diamond with Soto as depth. They’ll probably bring back a guy like Matt Duffy, too.
Urshela, Fletcher, Rengifo would be like Murderer’s Row compared to last season’s Jack Mayfield, Andrew Velasquez, Tyler Wade infield.
Halo11Fan
You, me and Prov would be murderers row compared to Mayfield, Valesquez and Wade.
prov356
As long as I get to play 2B. I don’t have the arm for the left side anymore.
Bart
Soto is already probably better than Fletcher and definitely better in the field. I hope he gets a shot to start.
HalosHeavenJJ
Soto put up much better numbers at the MLB level than in AA. I loved watching the kid, but I’d like to see him get more minor league time.
outinleftfield
Don’t get ahead of yourself. Soto had 59 PA in the majors. He had a .360s SLG and .740 OPS with 6 HR for the Trash Pandas in 543 PA. Don’t let the small sample size theatre in the majors fool you.
Tim Stewart
Rendon has been solid with the glove. He dipped closer to average after coming over and repaired his leg. He has has been good after and looked good the last week of 22. I guess you must be talking about Gio’s skill playing 2B or SS.
phantomofdb
Unless there is more to this (like immediately subsequent moves) this is a bafflingly bad trade by the twins.
Unless they’re going into rebuild mode I guess
Samuel
phantomofdb;
Between the 2 FO guys and the current Twins owner, the team keeps going in circles.
I assume they’re clearing payroll to be able to afford one the 4 magical SS’s that will not have nearly the effect the owner thinks.
HalosHeavenJJ
The only, and I mean only, way I can make sense of this is the non-tender deadline is today and they had Urshela on the bubble?
$9.5 million for a guy who put up 3.1 WAR per BB-Ref is a great deal, but maybe the Twins didn’t think so.
Maybe somebody else has an idea. I could definitely be missing something.
5toolMVP
So far…So good…So what!
Nice moves so far, hard to argue that… let’s keep it going Perry!
Acquire more solid players/MLB depth!!
No dumpster dives!!
LETS GOOOO!!
johnnyangel
Projected to make $9.2M in arbitration, so he’s not free. But, still, a very nice pickup.
Assuming he plays SS, this allows more development time for Soto and pushes Fletcher into a super sub role.
Also provide insurance if (when?) Rendon gets hurt.
Good fit for this roster.
orange2001
Fletcher will be the everyday 2B. Rengifo will be the utility infielder and ready to step in when Fletcher goes down or can cover SS with Gio shifting to 3B when Rendon goes down. Good move by the Angels.
Texas Outlaw
The Twins got ripped off!
thunderroad19
Wow….sure seems to be a very one-sided trade. Wonder what other moves the Twins have brewing?
Omarj
Impressive Halos. I like the move on a number levels. This probably moves Fletch to 2nd and Rengifo to LF/ULT.
benhen77
Salary dump. Only makes sense if more moves coming.
willm
I really can’t believe the Angels pulled this one off for a long-shot prospect. This is a NO BRAINER move for them, regardless of whether Urshela is the opening day SS or simply infield depth. Great move Perry. We have more things to address, but we can spend our money more effectively now.
kellin
He’s too good to be just depth. Or, at least, he’s better than what’s at short, and -maybe- 3rd, if Rendon can’t stay healthy.
Halo11Fan
And he’s not good enough to play short. He’s not better than Rendon or Walsh.
He’s plan “B”. The Angels have needed good plan “B’ players for a long time.
AtomsAnts
Hey. This is a good trade for the Halos. What is going on here?
Halo11Fan
In a world Depth.
He’s not plan “A” at first, third or shortstop, but a huge issue with team has been depth.
This is a good move, just so long as no one expects him to be used as a Plan “A” option.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I think you might be proven wrong about that. Gio had a higher wRC+ and fWAR than any Angel except Trout, Ohtani and Ward, and he had a higher BA than anybody on the Angels with at least 100 plate appearances.
Halo11Fan
His “A” game is not better than Rendon’s or Walsh’s. He can’t be expected to play short.
I like the move, but if Walsh and Rendon are healthy, they are playing.
Poster formerly known as . . .
It depends on how the Angels appraise his fielding. The most he ever played shortstop was in 2021 when he played 200 innings at short. DRS taxed him with -1 DRS, putting him in the middle of the pack and above players like Swanson, Bogaerts and Tatis. Statcast rated him 0 OAA, again, middle of the pack, and way better than Kiner-Falefa, whom the Yankees tabbed as their starting shortstop.
Then there’s the remote possibility of trading Rendon as the weighty back end of his contract kicks in. He’s got a full NTC and it would take eating some hefty salary to move him, but it might make a purchase of the team more palatable to prospective buyers.
Poster formerly known as . . .
BTW, I have to assume by Walsh’s “A” game, you mean his best prior years, because his OPS+ of 81, his .215 BA and negative bWAR and fWAR this year were a dang sight worse than any numbers Gio has put up since 2019.
Halo11Fan
If he can play short, fine. But he’s not a good 3 baseman. So I have my doubts.
Outs Above Average has him -1 at short (small sample size) -17 at third.
He’s a depth piece, and a pretty good one at that.
Halo11Fan
When someone has a pretty severe injury and plays through it and stinks, I pretty much discount the season.
Wash’s A game is better than Urshella’s A game.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Statcast taxes him with -17 OAA, but DRS credits him with 4 DRS and 3.7 UZR/150, so as is often the case in the foggy wilderness of defensive metrics, you have to decide which, if any, measures are valid. Beyond that, teams have their own proprietary analytics, and Anaheim’s might favor Gio more than the public metrics do.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Urshela played with bone spurs in his elbow in 2020 and suffered knee and hamstring injuries in 2021, so should we discount those seasons too?
aragon
is he injury prone?:)
Plugnplay
To set you straight 11, Gio is plan “A” and “B”. He’ll play SS every game, with the exception of when Rendon is out or rests. Then he’ll move to 3b obviously.
That said, you’ll probably see a lot of Squid as an 8th and 9th inning D replacement in games there protecting leads.
Halo11Fan
StatCast measures everything. It’s much more accurate. DRS had Machado at -3 last year. Statcast had Machado at 9 outs above average.
When DRS was the best you could do, you had to go with it, but it is no longer the best.
Poster formerly known as . . .
That’s an oversimplification and far from an established fact:
baseballprospectus.com/news/article/24708/baseball…
Halo11Fan
Can you come up with something that is a little more relevant than a 2014 article?
Eight years ago… Really?
Poster formerly known as . . .
Sure. Here you go:
beyondtheboxscore.com/2020/1/9/21057644/mlb-statca…
mlb.com/news/statcast-introduces-outs-above-averag…
tangotiger.com/images/uploads/History_of_the_Field…
Halo11Fan
Did you read the headline? New! Why don’t you come up with a current link?
Or how about you come with DRS raining of Bregman and Machado which we all know is absurd.
Urshela is a nice, but expensive piece to have for depth. Nothing more. I’m surprised Angel fans don’t understand that.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The MLB article is from 2020, and “new” refers to the inclusion of infielders in OAA ratings:
“As of today, it’s been expanded to include infielders as well.”
If you only read the headline, you can’t reasonably expect to know what an article says. I encourage you to read the rest of the article to get the details.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Additionally, DRS has also been upgraded:
“We are excited to announce that we have updated our flagship stat, Defensive Runs Saved, to account for where an infielder was positioned. This is our biggest enhancement to DRS since The Fielding Bible IV in 2015. This update has been applied to DRS numbers going back to 2013.”
That appears on the Fielding Bible site under the heading: “THE FIELDING BIBLE AWARDS 2022.”
Halo11Fan
Exactly. It’s been around four years. Does it work? There is four years of data.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I have no idea what you mean.
Halo11Fan
I appreciate you looking at metrics. I cannot reconcile any system that makes as many mistakes as DRS.
You have three systems, DRS, fangraphs, and Statcast. Two rank Urshela negative, one has him above average.
But I do appreciate you looking at metrics. But DRS does it’s own thing and produces some pretty strange results.
Poster formerly known as . . .
DRS often comports with Fangraphs metrics when OAA disagrees with both, so which system is the outlier?
On the other hand, look at the correspondence between DRS and OAA this year:
(Suddenly, MLBTR is blocking internet links, so you’ll have to visit Fangraphs and call up the comparison yourself. Select the leaders in DRS and you’ll see in the OAA column all positive numbers except one among the top 30.)
Again, your generalizations seem to me oversimplifications.
DRS uses BIS data compiled by humans judging video on computers. Statcast uses data supplied by computers programmed by humans. Each has the capacity for both accuracy and inaccuracy.
The truth is that the act of fielding a ball involves so many inconsistent variables that it defies quantification. The attempts at quantification are steadily improving but still far from perfect or entirely reliable. With this in mind, I think the best approach is to survey all of them and take the results as a rough-sketch image of a player’s fielding ability. Taking any of them at face value seems to me an invitation to false confidence.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I corrected this — “Statcast uses date” — to this — “Statcast uses data” — well within the editing window, but the correction never showed up. Between this sort of thing and the tendency to multiply posts, his website’s posting app might need some work.
Poster formerly known as . . .
A third baseman with a 121 OPS+ and 3.1 bWAR for a teenage pitcher with control issues who might get snagged in the Rule 5 draft if he’s not on the roster?
Day-um!
Tim Stewart
I think that teenager is young enough this year but needs to be put on next year’s 40. This is probably part of his appeal for the Twins.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I’m confused. If there’s a risk of his being lost in the Rule 5 draft if he’s not on the 40-man roster, and he’s not a proven commodity who necessarily deserves a roster spot more than other players, how does that add to his favorability in a trade?
Tim Stewart
Fink Ployed, there is a risk NEXT year. He can be left off the 40 THIS year. also, the player they traded opens a 40-man spot that they can use to make rule-5 pick, because you need an open spot for any pick.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Thanks, Tim.
Ra
There was NO risk of 19 year old Hidalgo being exposed to the Rule 5 draft. Sounds like you do not know how it works. FYI mlb.com/glossary/transactions/rule-5-draft
Ra
Also, wrong, Hidalgo could not be exposed to the Rule 5 draft next year either.
Ra
Hidalgo can not be exposed to the Rule 5 draft. There is no “might” about it.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Take it up with the author of the article above:
“He’s a lower-level developmental flier who’ll need to be added to Minnesota’s 40-man roster or be exposed to the Rule 5 draft at the end of the 2023 season.”
jakec77
Only way this makes sense is if he is anticipated to be getting a higher arbitration award than most clubs would think he’s really worth.
But it’s usually home run hitters that get overpaid in arbitration, not a guy like Gio. You’d think that some other team would have given up more.
GMoney2850
When are people gonna figure out that rentals have very little value? Seriously, when? It’s been this way for like 10 years now
DarkSide830
They have little value, but not none. ANA gave up effectively nothing in this deal.
GMoney2850
It’s like 10 M/win and Urshela, who makes ~ 10 M, is prob projected for like 2 wins, making his surplus value around 10 M.
Min prob values this prospect around 10 M, making it equal value
Poster formerly known as . . .
Fangraphs put Gio’s 2022 WAR at 2.4 with a WAR dollar value of $18.9M.
phantomofdb
The point is, then why trade him? Twins have said they plan on competing, they just gave up a guy who put up 3.1 WAR last year which would cost 17 million on average in the open market. Just because the trade value isn’t super high doesn’t mean you should give away a productive player for nothing
GMoney2850
The WAR calculation is based on his projected output, not solely the previous year’s
Poster formerly known as . . .
There’s nothing about projected output in either B-Ref’s or Fangraphs’ explanation of the WAR calculation. Would you please explain your comment?
baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained_positio…
library.fangraphs.com/calculating-position-player-…
GMoney2850
Projection algorithms take a lot more than just the previous year’s output into account.
These algorithms are what teams use to gauge value moving forward
Poster formerly known as . . .
You said the WAR calculation is based on projected output. Your subsequent reply doesn’t explain this.
Ra
Sure: GMs do not look at the previous year’s WAR and say they will pay according to that one year’s measurement. Nor do agents lock in on last year’s WAR, though they might try the argument, unsuccessfully. It only makes sense to project the WAR over the length of contract to allow AAV to match that
Ra
The why not estimate contracts based on 2021 WAR? Maybe GMs should just sign players who missed significant playing time and underpay them based on a partial season’s WAR.
It is illogical that any GM would disregard what a player is projected to do over the span of the contract and instead rely on one data point.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Of course GMs project what they hope to be the future value of players they’re considering acquiring. There are several projection systems like ZiPS, ZiPS DC, ATC, THE BAT, THE BAT X, Steamer, etc., and teams have their own proprietary projection systems. That’s not what’s being discussed here.
GMoney said, “the WAR calculation is based on his projected output” and I questioned that and linked him to the B-Ref and Fangraphs explanations of their respective WAR forumulas, which don’t seem to have anything about projected output among the factors included in the calculations.
If you can show me where projected output is factored into either of those formulas, I’d be grateful for the clarification.
positively_broad_st
Angels aren’t really as bad off as they might seem. I think all they really lack is depth, especially on the bench and in AAA. Every injury they’ve endured has done them in because they have no one to fill in adequately on a temporary basis. Plus it contributes to the inability to play to guys strengths and avoid their weaknesses. Some guys need a platoon partner, or a defensive replacement, or a rest more often. Moves like Urshela are the kind of moves they need to make, but several of these moves need to happen. Guys like Bell, Profar, Haniger, Segura and the like should be the guys the Angels should be going after (and no, not all of them, just two or three solid lineup pieces), plus nice bench pieces like Grossman and similar proven bench pieces, and a better backup catcher for Stassi while they wait for O’Hoppe to emerge. Add fortifications to the young rotation and bullpen, plus several AAA signings, and the Angels should be able to contend for a Wild Card spot. Anaheim doesn’t need to make a big splash on a top SS or pitcher, or give up draft picks to improve. They just need to be aggressive in fortifying their 40 man and AAA rosters so they’ll have the depth a 162 game season demands.
Mikenmn
Just what i needed before the weekend-another reminder of the Donaldson trade.
A's Fan
i wonder if the trade was made for low return as Minn was intending to non tender him and took anything that was offered
C Yards Jeff
Agreed. Pretty sure the decision to non tender him was not decided today and maybe they had offers better than this one but held on to today looking for an even better one? It didn’t happen. And those teams with better offers moved on; causing a last minute before 19:00 mad scramble to move him? LA won this one!
Ol Scotty boy
Nice job Halos! It’s nice to see a GM w/ a pulse.
As a Red Sox fan ours is either taking a long winter nap or has gone to the Walmart 5 states over by skateboard to get a bottle of propane for this so called Hot Stove. Sheesh! Anyway… Gio
sure looks like an awesome pickup. Congrats to the Angels!
Marshallx89
It makes sense if you look at in the context of last season. Although Gio primarily plays 3B, he has played SS and LF and I assume could fill 2B if needed. The angels have been hurt by injuries or lack of offensive production in all of those positions last year so he could serve as a super utility guy that can swing a decent bat.
JoeBrady
As a Red Sox fan ours is either taking a long winter nap
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Sure, because we need a 3B?
sliderwithcheeze
They should do everything in their power to rid themselves of that Rendon contract or just Rendon in general. People go missing all the time and with their proximity to the Pacific as well as Mexico, they have options.
Yay Sports
Angels gave up Mike Clevenger for a few games of Vinnie Pastano. Few seasons later he was killing it for the Indians. Prob the only time they gave up anyone worth while. Maybe Chatwood
Bart
Also Segura and Patrick Corbin
orange2001
Angels also traded Jean Segura and Patrick Corbin. More times than not, those prospects/minor leaguers don’t amount to anything but every now and then they do.
It’s also worked in the Angels favor recently with Patrick Sandoval from Houston and Luis Rengifo from Tampa. One of the better under the radar trades was Chone Figgins from Colorado for Kimera Bartee.
cookmeister 2
Segura was for Greinke I’m pretty sure
GoogleMe
The Angels also gave up Sean Newcombe who was supposed to be somebody, but it just never happened.
stroh
Is Rendon hurt still? This is a strange move for both Twins and Angels.
orange2001
No. He came back for the final series of the season. So he should be 100% for spring training… until the next setback.
sufferforsnakes
You guys got a steal of a deal.
urnuts
Out of left field pickup.
Now time to sign Nimmo for lead off and start in CF, moving Trout to left to take wear and tear off his body.
BuyBuyMets
Urshela is a very sound everyday player. I don’t see a $9M rental player as simply a depth option but who knows?
100% salary dump for Minnesota.
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Welp. The little bow tie wearing fella Rosenthal just said the Dodgers are non tendering Bellinger. Darn. Really wanted him to get one more shot.
orange2001
No surprise there.
Ra
Somebody will give Bellinger another shot.
JoeBrady
I like Urshela, but I don’t get this from the Angels’ side. He’s either an expensive backup for Rendon, or a poorly equipped SS. You’d have to be pretty sure that Rendon will miss at least a half-season in order for this to make any sense.
Rsox
Solid pickup for the Angels. 3B won’t be a black hole next seaaon if Rendon gets hurt
Perksy
Yes and more like when, not if he gets hurt.
User 2079935927
Good back up for Fletch, Rendon and Turner. No more Mr. DFA Standing at the 4,5 and 6 postions. After They sign Trey. Sign Justin Turner. A LF and work on the BP.
Jacksson13
Move made by the Twinkies to save payroll dollars and clear space so both Miranda and Arraez have regular positions. Doesn’t seem like the Twinkies received nearly enough for an established MLB 3B. Possibly there is also a “wink-wink” deal in place between the two teams to swap positions in the upcoming Rule 5 Draft? ?? Perhaps the Twins have their eye on the next Johan Santana, Ryan Pressly, Shane Mack, or Doug Corbett….
stroh
Minasian just said Urshela will play first and some OF, so looks like a replacement for injured Walsh.
Samuel
What I was thinking. Also can see Rendon playing some 1B as well.
With MLB today – throw out the depth chart……which no one does in the offseason – think 8 guys are going to start every game for all 30 teams.
outinleftfield
Nope. mlb.com/news/gio-urshela-traded-to-angels “General manager Perry Minasian said he sees Urshela as an everyday player who can split time between third base and first base,”
acb
Interesting trade BUT it’s typical Angels. Spend less and get less. Trade will not help playoff hopes nor will it get butts in the seats
outinleftfield
NICE! A one year deal for a shortstop if Arte won’t let Minassian get a long term solution. A guy that can hit and play 3B when Rendon is hurt. I like it.
Two holes filled. 2 more to go.
troutfishing
I thought they would go after Drury. This seems to work though.
This route might leave a little more money for Senga. Hope they can make that happen.
Then add Haniger. Those two guys would help this team with the extra fuel they need for the 2023 postseason.
troutfishing
Also…
I’ve read some negativity about a few players on here that I really just hate to see.
1. Rengifo is incredibly fun to watch and is one of the few players I see consistently improving. Both physically and in the quality of his game. I would have full confidence in giving him a chance to start every day.
2. Moniak looks like a natural ballplayer who simply stumbled in his MLB intro. Its clear the kid knows how to play… There is definitely talent and a ton of potential with him. I can’t wait to see how he plays out.
3. Detmers is going to soon reveal himself as a solid number 2-3.
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Troutfishing, I want Rengifo to do well too…It’s just that I have watched him for 4 years in the show now and I wish I could say I thought he was “streaky” at the least. With his time in the show I think he should have broke through more already but we shall see.
troutfishing
Hmm, I have been watching the games too but I suppose I have registered his quality in a different way. I havent really seen him as streaky… rather not good enough for a spot on the 40 man, to a serviceable backup, and now to a guy who improved his strength, focus and overall skill. Next to Ohtani, he was definitely my favorite player to watch.
On a team that was stuck in the mud he never lost his momentum and kept getting better. I loved seeing that.
If he keeps it up I believe he can break 20-25 HR next year with a .280+ avg. Thats being conservative.
If the guys around him play well too, I think we might see a guy owned on 95% of fantasy teams and good ol fashioned breakout season.
dh4all
He improved dramatically last year.
outinleftfield
Last season was the first one that Rengifo saw 500+ PA and he stepped up his game. He is not and will never be a 4+ WAR player, but just being above average on a team with at least 3 hitters that can put up those 6+ WAR seasons is enough.
troutfishing
One piece from the Twins I would absolutely LOVE is Maeda. I can’t tell you how excited I would be if the Angels traded for him haha.
JackStrawb
Makes sense. People are forgetting how bad Urshela was in 2021. He projects as barely a 2 win, 31 yo player in 2023, making about $9.2m, and the Twins have zero interest in paying that. There are also a limited number of teams who need a merely adequate 3Bman and want to spend close to 10m for him.
Hidalgo’s a very live arm who k’ed 58 in 39 innings. He definitely soaks up the surplus value between Urshela’s salary and his projection, which isn’t all that much.
Mrski
Cashman? Gio for $10 or Donaldson for$29.
Yet he is still employed. This is with stearns and click
Angels & NL West
This trade signals to me that Walsh will begin the season on the IL. Gio will be at 1B in game #1 and platoon with Walsh when healthy. Gio will also get some starts at 3B and 2B as the season progresses.
Defensive ratings are notoriously inconsistent which is why you get split results on Gio, Bergman, Machado, etc. Twins and Yankees fans seem to think Gio is good defensively. And Yankees fans would take Gio over Donaldson. That’s good enough for me.
In my opinion, Fletcher is a GG quality 2B with one of the quickest releases I have ever seen. He gets as much out of his skill set as any player in MLB. He is alot of things, but imo, he is not flashy.
Halo11Fan
You don’t get split results from statcast, that’s why I go with them. With DRS, you get. Lots of strange results. But it doesn’t really matter, he was brought in as insurance. If that’s what you expect, you won’t be disappointed. He has a career 104 OPS+. Which is a lot better than we got from our depth last year.
outinleftfield
Urshela will play full time. 3B, 1B, SS. Outside of 2020 Fletcher has been barely above replacement level. He is not a good player.