December 9: The Padres have officially announced the deal. Chris Cotillo of MassLive provides the full contract breakdown. Bogaerts will make a $5MM signing bonus followed by 11 straight seasons with a $25MM salary.
December 8: The Padres closed out the Winter Meetings with a stunner, reportedly agreeing to an 11-year, $280MM contract with Xander Bogaerts. The deal does not contain any options or opt-out provisions, although it does include a full no-trade clause. Bogaerts is represented by the Boras Corporation.
Bogaerts had spent his whole career in Boston, originally joining the organization as an amateur signee from Aruba back in 2009. He quickly developed into one of the sport’s top prospects and was in the majors by August 2013, a few months before his 21st birthday. Bogaerts claimed two Silver Slugger awards within his first four MLB seasons, but his .283/.339/.409 career slash line through 2017 was roughly league average. He took a major step forward in 2018, reaching another level in his age-25 campaign.
He hit .288/.360/.522 with 23 home runs over 136 games that season, helping lead Boston to 108 wins and a World Series title. Bogaerts sustained that new level of excellence, as he’s been a well above-average offensive performer in each of the four years since then. Going back to the start of the 2018 campaign, the righty-hitting infielder owns a .300/.373/.507 line that checks in 34 percentage points above league average by measure of wRC+.
On the heels of that breakout season, the Red Sox inked Bogaerts to a long-term deal. Boston guaranteed him $120MM between 2020-25, allowing him to opt out with half that money remaining after 2022. Bogaerts played well enough to earn MVP votes in each of the four seasons since signing that extension, making it a no-brainer he’d take his opt-out opportunity unless he and the Red Sox could preemptively agree upon a new deal.
Extension talks this spring didn’t come close, as Boston reportedly offered to tack on one additional season at $30MM. Turning that down was an easy call for Bogaerts’ camp, and he solidified his opt-out decision with another excellent year. Through 631 plate appearances, he hit .307/.377/.456. Bogaerts’ 15 home runs marked his lowest full-season total since 2017, but he finished tenth in the majors (minimum 500 plate appearances) in on-base percentage.
A career-best .362 batting average on balls in play propped up those rate stats, and it’s unlikely he’ll manage to sustain quite so lofty a mark in future seasons. He owns a career .336 BABIP, though, so there’s plenty of room to remain a strong hitter even if his batting average comes down slightly. He’s walked at an average or better clip in each of the past five years, and he’s kept his strikeout rate remarkably consistent around 18% six seasons running.
Bogaerts makes contact, draws walks and typically threatens or tops 20 homers per season. He’s one of the more well-rounded offensive players in the game, and he’ll step right into an already loaded San Diego lineup. Bogaerts joins Manny Machado, Juan Soto and Fernando Tatis Jr. in the middle of a lineup that should be incredibly difficult for opposing pitchers to navigate. That quintet has 11 combined Silver Slugger awards, and they’ll bring an incredible collection of weapons from both sides of the dish.
Where to pencil everyone in on the diamond is a decision the front office and manager Bob Melvin will work out over the coming months. San Diego’s middle infield was already strong. Tatis, two years removed from inking a $341MM extension to serve as the franchise shortstop, will return from his performance-enhancing drug suspension within the first month of next season. Ha-Seong Kim is a Gold Glove caliber shortstop who had a solid .251/.325/.383 line in his second big league campaign. Jake Cronenworth is an above-average defender at second base and owns a .257/.339/.443 mark through his first three seasons.
At least for the moment, Bogaerts seems likely to step in at shortstop. Scott Boras categorically rejected the possibility of Bogaerts moving off the position earlier this offseason. Perhaps the strength of the Padres’ offer changed that thinking, but it’s also possible the Friars rearrange their infield to accommodate his wishes. San Diego had already been considering the idea of moving Tatis to the outfield after his lost season in deference to Kim. Pushing Tatis into left or center field now seems especially likely. Bogaerts could step in at shortstop, with Kim moving to second base and Cronenworth taking over an uncertain first base position.
Bogaerts’ glove has been the subject of immense attention throughout the free agent process. The 6’2″, 218-pounder has a larger build than many shortstops, and he’s drawn some criticism for lacking prototypical range. Public defensive metrics roundly panned his glove throughout his career, with Defensive Runs Saved pegging him below par every year from 2014-21. Concerns about his long-term defensive outlook seemingly played into Boston’s low extension offer this past spring, but Bogaerts posted the strongest defensive metrics of his career in 2022.
In 1249 2/3 innings this past season, he rated as five runs above average by DRS and four runs better than par, according to Statcast. Concerns about his lateral quickness into his mid-30’s figure to persist, but his strong 2022 campaign at least reduced any urgency to move him off shortstop immediately.
The Padres clearly aren’t much concerned about Bogaerts’ long-term defensive fit. Owner Peter Seidler and president of baseball operations A.J. Preller have been hellbent on adding another star regardless of position. They reportedly made offers well north of $300MM for both Trea Turner and Aaron Judge, but both players declined and signed elsewhere. Those failed pursuits of Turner and Judge made the Padres a fascinating wild card this offseason, and while reports initially suggested they were unlikely to dip back into the shortstop market, they pivoted and made a run at Bogaerts.
An 11-year term will take him through his age-40 campaign. That matches the term Turner received from Philadelphia, but Bogaerts was generally expected to command a lesser deal in light of his long-term defensive concerns. Turner’s $300MM guarantee does beat the one received by Bogaerts, but the $20MM gap was closer than most had envisioned.
The deal shatters MLBTR’s pre-offseason prediction of $189MM over seven seasons. It’s the second-largest free agent deal in franchise history — trailing only Machado’s ten-year, $300MM pact. The $280MM guarantee is the seventh-largest for a free agent in MLB history, with Judge and Turner topping it thus far among this offseason’s free agents.
The cost for the Padres goes well beyond the terms of the offer itself. The specific financial breakdown hasn’t yet been reported, but the contract comes with a $25.45MM average annual value. That’s the relevant consideration for luxury tax purposes, and it sends the Padres well into tax territory. Roster Resource projects the Friars for a tax number around $254MM at present. That’s $21MM north of the $233MM base threshold, and $1MM above the second tier of penalization.
San Diego has paid the luxury tax in each of the last two seasons, and it looks all but certain they’ll do so again. They’re taxed at a 50% rate for every dollar spent between $233MM and $253MM, coming out to $10MM in fees. They’ll be charged 62% on any overages between $253MM and $273MM, and they’d face heightened penalties thereafter. As things currently stand, the Bogaerts deal sets them up for a tax bill around $10.6MM. Further additions or subtractions will alter that number, but it’s virtually certain they’ll be into competitive balance tax territory yet again.
It’s worth noting that at $27.27MM and $25.45MM respectively, both Turner and Bogaerts accepted lower average annual values than expected while also reaching an 11-year term that had only happened once before in free agency when Bryce Harper signed for 13 years. With infielders Corey Seager, Nolan Arenado, Francisco Lindor, and Anthony Rendon receiving AAVs ranging from $32.5-35MM dating back to 2019, it may be surprising that Turner and Bogaerts fell well below that range. It’s all about that CBT – the Phillies and Padres reduce their luxury tax hits and tax bills for taking on the players’ late-30s seasons, which project to have little value.
Bogaerts rejected a qualifying offer from the Red Sox, meaning the Padres will also have to surrender draft choices to add him. As a team that paid the luxury tax in 2022, they’re subject to the highest penalties. San Diego will be stripped of its second and fifth-highest selections in next year’s amateur draft, and they’ll forfeit $1MM in international signing bonus space.
While the Padres load up for another run at the powerhouse Dodgers in the NL West, the Red Sox will have to move on from a homegrown star who’s played a key role with the franchise for nearly a decade. It’s an abrupt about-face for the organization. While it had long looked as if Bogaerts would depart given the lack of progress on an extension in Spring Training, reports Wednesday morning suggested their talks with his camp were gaining momentum.
It seemed as if he might remain in Boston for the entirety of his prime, but the Padres’ offer wound up handily surpassing Boston’s. Pete Abraham and Alex Speier of the Boston Globe report the Red Sox had offered a six-year term worth around $160MM. That was more in line with general pre-offseason expectations and contained a slightly higher annual salary than the deal Boagerts received, but San Diego’s willingness to tack on an extra half-decade in guaranteed money made the gap enormous. Somehow, the $137.375MM the Red Sox spent on Masataka Yoshida and Kenley Jansen earlier Wednesday almost seems quaint in comparison to the Bogaerts contract.
The Red Sox will receive compensation for Bogaerts’ departure, but it’s at the lowest tier since Boston also paid the competitive balance tax in 2022. They’ll receive a pick after the fourth round in next year’s draft. That’s of small consolation, and the far greater concern is how the club will move forward. Boston signed Trevor Story to a $140MM guarantee last offseason, giving themselves some cover at shortstop. Should they prefer to keep Story at second base, they could check in with the two remaining top free agent shortstops, Carlos Correa and Dansby Swanson. Regardless, Boston is certainly not done after chief baseball office Chaim Bloom said Monday he hopes to add “seven, eight, nine” players to the team this offseason. Starting pitcher and the catcher position are two items remaining on the shopping list even if shortstop is handled in-house.
Correa and Swanson are sitting pretty with Turner and Bogaerts having exceeded expectations in terms of total dollars. While the Boras Corporation representing both Bogaerts and Correa could be viewed as a conflict of interest, the agency managed to get Bogaerts signed with a team that hadn’t been expected to sign a shortstop at the outset of the offseason.
It’s a deal of massive proportions, one that could drastically shake up both leagues. After a couple attempts came up empty, the Padres landed their desired superstar. The Red Sox’s optimism of a few hours ago was dashed by a determined organization that now spends like a big-market behemoth. Bogaerts lands one of the largest contracts in MLB history, setting the stage for a fascinating bidding war for the two star shortstops who remain unsigned.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post was first to report Bogaerts and the Padres had agreed to an 11-year, $280MM contract. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported the deal did not come with any opt-out provisions and included a full no-trade clause.
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siddfinch1079
Wow.
LordD99
And Red Sox and their fans were having such a good day…until now.
dugmet
I wonder how BoSox fans feel about Chaim Bloom.
Chipsss
Significantly better than the Giants fans feel about farhan !
JockStrap
As a triple A gm we love him.
MLB-1971
I would not want Bogaerts on my team until age 40.!.!
Rsox
Marcelo Mayer is coming, an 11 year commitment to a 30 year old SS is ridiculous by any means. If the Sox are going to give out that kind of length of a contract it should be to Rafael Devers.
We got Yoshida and Jansen today and while the hope to keep Bogaerts was high i think deep down we all knew we were being set up for disappointment. Bloom is still on the hot seat to many but this may well be a bullet dodged
cgallant
Totally fine with Chaim not give it him an 11 year deal.
Padres2019ha
Dough Boy Devers for 11 years? Okayyy
bryan c
42 on the official last day in October of 2034. Oh dear lord. How many bad years did they just buy. It’s going to make the Cano deal look sane
JockStrap
I am with you here
cgallant
This Sox fan is fine with this. No way I wanted to give him an 11 year deal. Now we can let him walk with peace of mind knowing it took an insanely stupid contract to take him away.
giantsphan12
@Chipsss, why do you say that. My only issue with Farhan is thinking that he could field the same team in ‘22 as we had on our roster in 2021 when we won 107.!!Farhan and Co are far from finished this offseason.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Sane but from Jed Hoyer. I was hoping for 8years for the cubs
OldSaltUSNR
That’s about a $25M AAV. In 10 years, after inflation, that will be small change. The Padres will be able to afford to write off 2 or 3 years of his contract, if he can’t perform. Of course, if he stubs his big toe and can’t play at ALL in a year or two, that’s a sunk cost, a loss, which is also part of the game.
It’s not like the Padres haven’t done that before, either. Remember Eric Hosmer? The Pads are paying 100% of his salary for the next 3 years in Boston.
Now, none of this stuff makes sense to me, a normal human being, who lives on a budget, where a $40 dinner is a luxury. However, this (MLB) is not that (real life). I’d rather they paid for Freddie Freeman last year, but I believe he rejected the Padres offer (if I recall correction), just like Turner did this year. Ya win some, ya lose some, but if you don’t play the game, you lose ’em all.
User 401527550
Devers is gone next year. He would be dumb not to go on the open market now. Players rarely stay on their original teams when bidding like this ensues.
Rsox
Cubs probably get Swanson for 6 years at a much cheaper price
GASoxFan
No need to wonder. The hatred only grows. I posted earlier that he’d use the questionable OF signing to claim poverty and pass on Bogey.
This explains a lot. The meeting they had he gave up on Xman and immediately pivoted trying to distract the fan base.
FU<K BLOOM!
GASoxFan
Rsox – long term to Devers is a bad idea. His defense already stinks, and, you don’t pay a dh, ANY dh, 35m+/yr over a decade or more.
Devers will want a 14 year deal, and, probably a good bit above 400m.
Dbacks44
padres get no love. Preller buys everyone’s and loses. It’s insane.
Treehouse22
This is stupid. I’m beginning to think baseball owners know something about the future of the planet that the rest of us do not.
Bright Side
They should feel relieved that they’re aren’t paying $25mi/yr for an overrated SS to the age of 41.
dugmet
I’m feeling much much better now about the Mets paying Lindor through age 37.
Rsox
Yoshida didn’t come cheap and i don’t think it was the money as much as the decade+ commitment. The Padres literally watched the top two players in free agency leave money (and lots of it) on the table not to sign with them and seems Preller made a desperation signing (11 years with full no trade protection and no opt-outs to a 30 year old SS) to not get shut out at home during the winter meetings
Deleted Userr
@Rsox Giving Bogey opt-outs would have made the contract worse for the Padres, not better.
Rsox
Remember Wade Boggs wasn’t very good defensively early in his career either. Devers has shown improvement and at 26 hasn’t even hit his prime yet
Randy Red Sox
don’t worry there is ZERO chance of Devers signing an extension with Boston
solaris602
We all know the last 4 years or so are gonna be a huge drag on this organization which will coincide with that of Machado, Tatis, and what they’ll have to overpay for Soto. Good luck with that. There’s a wasteland on the other side of these insane contracts.
Chipsss
I couldn’t disagree more, but I am glad you are optimistic and will not try and ruin that for you. I hope you are right and I am not.
MLB-1971
Correction….age 41…..
Ben10
No offense, but y’all didn’t get jack lol!
The only thing you got was freed from possibly the ugliest contract ever in baseball.
GASoxFan
@Rsox – Yoshida is costing about 3m/yr less than Bogey took from SD. BUT:
* Bogey plays better defense
* Bogey plays a premium position
* Bogey has proven able to put up numbers at the mlb level equal to what Yoshi does in Japan, and, there’s an inevitable drop in the transition here. Simply put: Bogey will be a better hitter adjusted for ballpark neutrality.
Ben10
Yoshida has no arm, no speed, and can’t play defense. He better have the bat to ball skills of Ichiro for the size of that contract.
kcmark
Be real. $40 get you, the wife and the two kids McDonalds.
acell10
two things: number 1 in terms of paying Yoshida on yearly basis the difference is 7 as the posting fee is a one time payment to the team not factored in the AAV of the contract and 2 last time I checked 280 million was bigger than 90 million 0r 105 if want to add the posting fee.
OldSaltUSNR
My wife and I make $40 bucks to a long ways. We get a lot for our money, which I’d demonstrate for you if I could show you the pretty lake outside the front door. of my custom built home. (Actually, my wife manages the money, and that helps.) 🙂
Poster formerly known as . . .
Great post, sailor.
GASoxFan
@acell – I didn’t say 3m a year in aav, I said 3m a year in cost for the player. No matter when you pay it, the posting fee IS a cost of obtaining the player.
As for the years, great, you can count.
Nice try in twisting things, maybe you work for bloom with some deceiving double-talk. Could be a pr guy for him to try and mislead the lemmings.
Franchise icons are worth taking a loss on for 3 years at the end, potentially. With all the money bloom throws away on damaged goods, reclamation projects, and buying low level lottery ticket prospects paying a franchise icon and fan favorite a few extra years is hood business he should be OK with spending the money on, but. He just doesn’t get it.
yewed
May have dodged a couple bullets. They’re around 40 million or so from the cap. with more holes to fill. Even this AAV and and say Eovaldi would have put them over the CBT again. With still some holes to fill.
Which may or may not matter to them. Don;t know.
As for Devers they need to make a decision and make it now. If they’re all in with him then get the deal done. Probably going to take at least 12 years and well north of 300 million. If he’s not happy with that or they’don’t want to pay him then they need to suck it up and trade him or we’ll do this all again next off season.
PulledaBloom
GASoxFan – AMEN!! Some GMs compete and others just try to save face for being horrendous.
PulledaBloom
Rsox – Devers had a .964 fielding percentage with 14 errors in 2022. . League average was .967. So after 6 seasons of playing 3rd base he’s had ONE year where he was close to league average but his career fielding percentage is still .941 and that’s 20 points below league average. He will soon be entering his 30s. His weight will continue to blossom and he’s avoided major injuries so far in his career.
He is a terrible investment since he can’t field, has a body type that doesn’t age well and his hitting is streaky. His production is due to JD, Bogaerts and others who were around him. If the new all average no power left fielder can get on base 35% of the time hopefully Devers will hit his HRs during those innings so Boston will score 2 runs. Otherwise, this team without JD, Bogaerts and others will be needing top 5 Starting Pitching to win.
Glad to see Bogaerts got a good deal for him. He’s on a team that will compete for years and that is huge considering where he was until yesterday. Boston won’t make the world series this decade thanks to Bloom.
ForeverGiantsFan
You may be surprised on what Swanson gets. Only two elite shortstops available. I think his contract will be over 20 million a year.
Pads Fans
A significant number of them are calling for his head right now. Go listen to Boston sports talk radio.
GASoxFan
Pads fans – a significant number of fans have been calling for blooms head since the 2019-2020 off season. Each year it only grows
acell10
before you sarcastically criticize people for their counting abilities you may want to work on your math skills because the difference is actually about 4 million not 3. and if you want to talk about spin claiming a 3 million a year hit only for three years when the contract Xander signed is more than double that of Yoshida is the height of disingenuousness.
Yes franchise icons are worth taking the hit on for three years. this will be way more than three years but you knew that already with your expert counting…
ForeverGiantsFan
That takes Padres out of Correa signing. Same with Yankees. Maybe the Giants will sign him. Over 30 million a year for 9 or 10 years. Will need to be more than Turner.
PulledaBloom
GASoxFan – He does work for Bloom. That’s why his opinions are not based on facts and always reflect well on the worst GM in baseball.
Bogaerts did the smart thing and I bet it killed him because he expected to be a Red Sox player his whole career. Lets see how Devers does without his close friend Bogaerts.
Also, lets watch Bogaerts modern metrics climb playing next to Manny rather than Devers. His high fielding percentage will now be coupled with a far greater range than he was allowed with Devers cutting off balls he had no business going after. Manny is a professional fielder unlike Devers. He is savvy and will let Bogaerts get to balls and throw players out that he never got a chance to play with Devers making selfish decisions about which balls to go after.
As a fan of the Red Sox players I am pleased that Mookie has settled in with a team that has no issues with diversity, I am happy Bogaerts landed with a team that has a great defensive 3B and I am hoping Benny, JD, Nate and Vazquez all end up in positive situations. Nobody deserves to be in an organization run by Bloom. Players want to win. Bloom never learned that in Tampa.
GASoxFan
I wasn’t far off in money or years, just structure.
I said a 7/196m base with three consecutive dual options, team/player – 24m/14m in ’30, 20m/10m in ’31, and 16m/6m in ’32.
Then incentives, 250k each for PAs and HRs, 500k each for MVP voting, GG, silver slugger.
Maxed out (doesn’t happen) it’s 276m/10yrs. But I bet with his prior city affinity, you put that on the table and a framework could’ve come together. Not another lowball of 6/160 which sounds like chaims best and highest.
Maybe fire bloom and hire me, at least I know ow how to get a deal together and not lose fan favorites and franchise icons.
Bloom has now lost 2. Now many more can he piss off and drive away?
dugmet
With Chaim must be thinking. “with large market teams tying up payroll with unproductive players 35+ smaller market teams will be able to sign younger and productive players for more sensible terms.”
GASoxFan
With all the execs pulled out of TB people also give bloom too much credit for having worked there. He was lower on the depth chart with other smarter guys above him pretty much his whole time there, he wasn’t responsible for thing the way, say, a Friedman was.
Got an interview based on riding coattails and pushed by the tailwind of the guys who left before him. Managed to mislead Henry into thinking he could mold bloom into the Billy Beane he always wanted. Not we’ve had disaster after disaster.
Pads Fans
Mayer is 19. He played in A ball in 2022 and he will return to the Sally league to start the 2023 season. If all goes well, and there is only a 20% chance that happens, he will be in a Red Sox uni in 2025.
So what you are saying is that you are ok with having a bad SS until then?
Devers is destined to be a 1B or a DH. Do you really think that Bloom is going to sign him to the 12-14 years at a $35+ million AAV he will be asking for at age 26?
Yoshida is a DH that the Red Sox paid $21.5 million AAV for when you include the posting fees and he has not proven himself in MLB.
The Padres just signed a proven elite SS for $25.5 million AAV.
Jansen is a reliever. Almost every season the Padres sign or produce a new reliever on the cheap that puts up the type of numbers Jansen has put up the last few seasons
This season is was Suarez and Nabil Crismatt. Last season it was Melancon and Johnson, The season before it was Johnson and Strahm. You see a pattern there? Cheap and still very good.
Add them all up and they don’t make what Jansen is making this season.
GASoxFan
Acell- also never claimed the roughly 3 million a year hit was only 3 years. I referred to the likely less productive years at the end of the contract as 3 years taked onto the end of the deal.
Man bloom is going to owe you overtime for trying to discredit his critics without addressing the fact he is a failure and hoes belong in his position, and, ignoring the facts of how he continues to spend money speculative rather than on known commodities.
I hope I’m wrong on Yoshi, but, await yet another bloom failure as the struggles show and can’t meet the historical production amd leadership Bogey gave.
Pads Fans
So that NLCS was a mirage?
Pads Fans
Age of 40. He turns 41 in October after the last regular season of this contract is over.
Boxscore
Chaim Bloom is a fool. And after another season of missing the playoffs hopefully they get rid of that clown. Worse GM since Harrington that’s over twenty years ago!
Pads Fans
At $25.5 million AAV it won’t be much of a drag at all. With the salary inflation in MLB it wont be a top 100 AAV by 2030.
SaintChris
I don’t think anyone thinks this is a good contract, paying a glove-first shortstop until he’s 40, so I don’t blame Chaim for not matching the Padres offer.
But I do blame Chaim for even letting it get to this point. I’m sure the extension Xander would have signed a year or two ago to stay in Boston was much, much less.
Instead of extending Xander, he insulted him with a 1-year tack on offer, and made the terrible decision to sign Trevor Story–who largely had a failure of a year last year.
What a complete failue on Bloom’s fault. He’s playing this “I’m smarter than everyone arrogance game” and really he’s a bonehead moron.
GASoxFan
People used to say ‘Dalbec, Chavis, and Casas are coming. We’ll bump one to first, one to second, put Casas at 3rd, and Devers will dh. This’ll be awesome.”
How have those three done so far?
Mayer is far away and young. Lots can, and will happen, between now and when he is ready for the show. And he isn’t that close.
But, at least bloom got rid of another guy who interferes with getting higher draft picks and predates his tenure right?
ForeverGiantsFan
Machado has an opt out after 2023. I think Padres are looking for a bat knowing Machado may leave.
Mrivers
Unless Machado opts out after 2023.
ForeverGiantsFan
I think opt outs are a great motivator for players. If they play well then the team wins as well.
ForeverGiantsFan
Giants will be fine. I think Correa and Rodon will sign with them.
jtm2889
This (GASoxFan) is an example of a completely delusional Red Sox fan, who unfortunately have too much power over ownership as it is.
Signing Bogaerts for 11 seasons (LOL!) isn’t just “taking a loss for 3 years at the end.” The Padres could very well be taking the loss for 5 or 6 years at the end, as Bogaerts will be aged 35- 41 during those seasons.
The contract the Padres gave him is asinine, but they are in win-now mode so screw it.
Red Sox shouldn’t match that contract or come close to it, especially with Mayer and many other young players a few years away.
jtm2889
My god, this post is completely unhinged. Where to even start with this lol?
First, Devers is 25 years old so no, he will not “soon be entering his 30’s.”
Secondly, what do you mean his body type doesn’t age well? Ever heard of guys like Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Miguel Cabrera, or Jose Abreu? They certainly weren’t the most chiseled guys but they have all smashed into their mid to late 30’s.
Third, Bloom literally almost took the team to the World Series *last season* lolol!
Get a grip.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
That’s only because fans aren’t what they used to be
…….
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I hear some of then took over on Moron Mountain.
Avory
Ha-ha….sorry, no amount of shared misery will make you feel better about that ridiculous signing.
Pads Fans
Glove first? Do you even watch baseball?
Pads Fans
The Giants said they were not pursuing Rodon.
miltpappas
I, personally, am not a Sox fan, but I do think Bloom is a complete schmo. However, an 11-year deal is absurd. I’d have to side with Bloom on this one.
Fever Pitch Guy
dugmet – Yes most of Red Sox Nation isn’t very impressed with Bloom. I guess you can say he took it on the chin. BWAHAHAHA!!!
But this is on John Henry for not stepping in and insisting they sign their 13-year star franchise player. This played out EXACTLY as it did 8 years ago with Lester. Sox extended an insulting lowball offer earlier in the year to a guy who deserved better, and then came to regret it when it was too late. The common denominator then and now is John Henry.
As for John Henry owned Boston Globe reporter Pete Abe’s reporting last night of “momentum” …. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
I am truly happy for Xander. Great guy, excellent role model, team leader, and one of the best all-around players in the game. Real fans saw this coming more than a year ago. He earned his market value contract.
Jaysfansince92
I saw that too and had to read it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hullucinating. Bogaerts is definitely not a glove first shortstop.
Fever Pitch Guy
cgaliant – You totally fine with Bloom extending nothing more than a $90M lowball offer before Xander became a free agent?
Or do you not believe in giving out reasonable contracts to franchise players BEFORE they become free agents?
miltpappas
“I am pleased that Mookie has settled in with a team that has no issues with diversity”? Mookie thanks you for buying into his fake-racism slander of a city that thought the world of him.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rsox – Dodged a bullet? A year ago Bloom could have signed Xander for half the contract he got from the Padres.
Sorry, but anyone who is glad Xander is gone because they think $280M is what it would have taken to keep him is out of touch with reality.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ben – Well said. Yoshida was a good risk worth taking, but in no way shape or form does it make up for the botched handling of Xander.
Jbeck29
A 40yr old SS doesn’t sound great does it.
scotcousins
what are you talking about farhan is the man
Fever Pitch Guy
bryan – First of all, an 11-year contract means it ends in October 2033. I know you’ve got only ten fingers, but c’mon man … use your toes too next time.
Second of all, the contract was spread out over 11 years instead of 8 years to reduce the AAV.
What difference does it make if it’s $280M over 8 years instead of $280M over 11 years?
Except the Padres get hit with a $25M AAV instead of $35M.
You know Xander is worth much more than $25M a year, right?
GarryHarris
You don’t go to MLB games.
FenwayFanatic
Send Chaim Bloom on the first flight out of Boston
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Boston Globe shill Pete Abe will forever be known as the “momentum” man … and this time it has nothing to do with him heading to the buffet table.
emac22
Yep. The pods are paying to move into the big time. Ifthey end up wasting an extra 500 million to go from a perennial joke to a perennial playoff team it will be a good investment.
FenwayFanatic
I think its remarkable how one man could demoralize a city and butcher the talent of a team in such a short period of time. Were about to lose our third potential hall of famer now. Well done Bloom, are you a New York Yankee?
emac22
They know something about the CBA, future media deals and how much more they can make with a great team in a huge market.
As fans we have to stop trying to make sense of baseball salaries and the sports profitability using our income, the luxury tax or past salaries. Those factors are completely meaningless and are manufactured excuses.
emac22
Market value shouldn’t be such a confusing concept.
Hint – it has zero to do with MLBTR trade rumor predictions and 100% to do with what other teams ate willing to pay.
emac22
OMG – Whatever will they do?
Could it be a…
Rebuild???!!
Welcome to MLB!
stymeedone
Correa is again watching his market disappear. Cubs, and Giants left. Twins starting to look like opportunists one more time. Swanson and Rosario, and possibly Kim, are other options for teams. I am thinking Boston was only after XB due to his status, and won’t pivot to a longer contract.
luckyh
He has concerning injuries at his age. I’m okay with him going as well.
Panheadsforever
Glad he wasn’t stupid enough to pay that !…He is good but not great…worth half those years and money
flamingbagofpoop
“There is only a 20% chance that happens”…how do you reach that %?
flamingbagofpoop
How long will he be worth more than 25m a year?
flamingbagofpoop
I find it hilarious how many people think the GM is the one who decides whether or not to dish out a $280m contract.
Big whiffa
Why extend devers when u can get a 4th round pick for him ?? Rotf….
stymeedone
@padsfan
They could just get a different SS. I hear Kim is available for trade.
stymeedone
@forevergiantsfan
Padres signing XB just guarenteed they won’t have money for Machado. You can start saying goodbye now.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I am concerned that it will now take 8 for Swanson, or take 11 for Correa. And they’d better extend Hoerner now while they are at it.
luckyh
Moronic take. You’d be yapping the loudest in year 6.
ray win
No bullet dodged. They could have signed Bogaerts last winter for something like 7 years, $180 million, but were too stupid. Then they keep Martinez and Eovaldi at trade deadline to stay over the luxury tax so they couldn’t even get a decent draft compensation pick.
SoxFanSince1994
I love him. Great GM.
Ebouch25
Overrated is an understatement. Does he hit? Yes, but not for enough power for his size. As a Red Sox fan, I’ve seen him play for a long time. He pisses me off more than he makes me happy at the plate. Watches good pitches and swings at bad ones. Not to mention his swing is horrible because it’s so level. Not enough to drive the ball.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Budgetball I think you’re right. Don’t they call this generation Z ? Something’s up that’s for sure..
knolln
Isn’t that most peoples? That he thought running that hodge podge that played at high levels when if you’d have asked people in March of 21 they’d have said ehh 80-82. It was 107 so running it back had to have at least been tempting. Gaussman made himself a sensation there. Ok so will rodon. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have expected big regression from a LOT (most) other roster spots.
JoeBrady
I said a 7/196m base with three consecutive dual options, team/player – 24m/14m in ’30, 20m/10m in ’31, and 16m/6m in ’32.
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The guarantee on that is $226M/10, against the Preller guarantee of $280M/11. That’s $54M, or ~ 25%.
So, if that’s not far off, how high would you have gone?
JoeBrady
The Padres could very well be taking the loss for 5 or 6 years at the end, as Bogaerts will be aged 35- 41 during those seasons.
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That’s really the part that some folks don’t get. The amount of years you “give away” has to be related to the amount of years that are positive. The issue with the Pujols contract was he was likely to give the Angels 1-2 good years, and 8-9 declining years.
OTOH, you have guys like Harper & Machado. They figured to give their teams 6-7 good years before decline sets in.
With Bogaerts, he figures to give the Padres 2-3 good years, and 8-9 declining years. In addition, the mixture of the years counts. For example, Machado’s final three years of his contract are declining years. The final three years of Bogaerts contract are likely to be replacement-level years.
JoeBrady
My god, this post is completely unhinged.
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RS fans do ‘unhinged’ like it is an art form.
deej
Who the hell is Yoshida?
JoeBrady
You know Xander is worth much more than $25M a year, right?
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Stuff like this plays out better if you had made a prediction. I agree with the idea that it is a $280M/8 contract, but since I put his number at $196M/7, I feel perfectly okay letting him go.
Di you ever write that a $280M/8 contract was okay? If you did, then kudos. If you didn’t, then it sounds like you were going to criticize the final result regardless of price.
WeggieJackson44
Not in California…unless you’re splitting 2 Big Macs
JoeBrady
I hear Kim is available for trade.
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As a RS fan, I’d be all over that.
JoeBrady
They could have signed Bogaerts last winter for something like 7 years, $180 million
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I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you how you know this.
Cardsfan21
If you think Xander is a glove first shortstop you should probably stop commenting for a bit and watch some baseball games.
paule
“The Jap?” Sounds like Betts was right about Boston fans. But if you don’t believe Betts ask any African American who played basketball or baseball in Boston about the racism of some (not all) of the fans
Dock_Elvis
That inflation will also eat at consumer purchasing options as salaries don’t keep pace. These deals are MLB teams speculating in the end that inflation will make them better deals on a decade. But there are outside effects on MLB itself….shrinking fan base that can’t be replaced, readily.
Dock_Elvis
Budget ball, if that’s the case they are optimistic about a game with a shrinking fan base averaging 61 years of age that will not be able to replace its baby boomer fans readily….all in a tricky entertainment and economic environment. Perhaps they know a grand scheme for the game going forward that the general person doesn’t see. Gambling? Computer AI? No idea. But they’re going go have a hard time selling tickets and TV views as the world moves along.
flamingbagofpoop
I feel like people just conflate anything that has anything to do with someone’s race with, “racism”.
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Or Halos Rsox =)
flamingbagofpoop
A lot of teams might see lower TV deals than they expect next time around, as well.
luckyh
No way they could’ve signed him for that. Remember who his agent is?! Idiotic takes on this. He did what he should do, go get the most years and most money. Fevers will go next.
jbryant0693
Very pleased Bloom did not hand out a ridiculous contract like that to Bogaerts.
Skeptical
In part, I would expect the owners to discount each year of salary in the future according to expected inflation. What will the today’s roughly $25m be equivalent to in eleven years? Each successive year gets easier to fund if two assumptions are accepted and hold. One, inflation continues at even a moderate rate. (No inflation is unlikely regardless of what party is in power. Deflation, while seemingly attractive, is a disaster for economies.) Two, revenues keep up with inflation.
KyleT
PadsFan:
1) Bogaerts AAV is 25.5M. He will NOT be playing when he’s 41, so that AAV is higher, or if you mean against the Salary Cap, you have to change Yoshida’s AAV because that includes the posting fee, and that doesnt count against the Salary Cap either. Either way, the gap is much bigger than you are admitting.
2) San Diego is a terrible hitters park. The pitchers get a big advantage, not to mention much weaker opponents on average. When those reliever, you speak of, leave SD they revert back to mediocrity, because of these reason, not some magical coaching going on in SD, or whatever you think it is.
LordD99
@dugmet, that’s the thing about these deals, any deals. They all eventually seem more reasonable in a few years once new deals are announced.
LordD99
@Fever, when I saw that “momentum” story yesterday, I figured for sure there’d be an announcement within a day he was returning to the Red Sox. I suspect Xander would have returned for less than $280 (maybe an 8/240?), but an $80MM gap was too much.
outinleftfield
I think they know something about the future of baseball that we don’t. Like 2 new teams bringing in $4 billion in franchise fees and increased revenue from the number of teams in the playoffs increasing to 14 and maybe even some bumps in both national TV and streaming deals.
outinleftfield
Next season he plays at 30, so that means his last season of this deal he will be 40.
PoisonedPens
Bloom is uniquely adept at driving out high-priced homegrown players and re-stocking the roster with replacement-level talent.
williemaysfield
They’ll have to commit nearly half a billion to sign those two. Yikes
Rsox
Not glad Xander is gone, just glad they won’t be paying him for his ages 38-41 seasons
Pete'sView
There’s gotta be some movement in SF toward Correa and Nimmo NOW!
Pete'sView
May it be so.
Pete'sView
I have always loved baseball and have followed it since I was eight years old. I’ve been on the planet a long time. The contracts (and the money owners are making) are becoming obscene, and it’s definitely beginning to impact my love for the game.
If First Responders, teachers and health workers were paid fairly, I wouldn’t care. But they’re not. The disparity of wealth will soon (if not already) ruin the quality of life in our country.
Pete'sView
I don’t think Peter Seidler (Padres owner) has any limits. People squawk about the Mets Steve Cohen, but the amount of money these owners have (and others) is outrageous.
Pete'sView
SaintChris — “Glove-first shortstop?” What player have you been watching?
Pete'sView
ForeverGiantsFan — That’s what the post suggests. Can you imagine what Machado will be asking for in THAT contract????
Pete'sView
May it be so. I’ll even take Senga if Rodon goes elsewhere, leaves more money for Nimmo.
Pete'sView
Pads Fans — Where did you hear that?
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Pete, Since 8 years old!??? What the heck took you so long? Haha
SaintChris
What player have I been watching? Are you an idiot? Xander has graded out as average or slightly below average as a defender his entire career. Look at the numbers.
The Red Sox considered moving him off short for years, and many wondered if he would even play the position on a new team or be asked to move to 3b.
rmullig2
Ichiro would have been a .270 hitter without his speed. A lot of his hits were infield grounders that he beat out because he was so fast.
Dorothy_Mantooth
As much as I love Bogaerts, an 11 year deal for him at age 30 is ridiculous. I don’t blame Boston for not matching this deal. They question his DEF now at SS at age 30. What will they be saying by age 35, 37, 39, etc. Maybe this is the cost of doing business these days in free agency but I don’t blame Boston for walking away from this deal. With that said, the absolutely should offer Devers a 10 year deal given his age. I’ll be very disappointed if they don’t work out an extension with Devers, unless he is looking for a 14 year commitment.
PoisonedPens
^Conveniently omitting the fact that the Sox probably could have extended him for 6/$180ish last winter, but chose to lowball; l or at the very least flipped him at the deadline for more replacement-level pieces…
Pete'sView
SaintChris — So, you agree with me that he’s NOT a “glove first ss.” And why call me an idiot. You don’t know me and this forum doesn’t need that crap.
Scream_name
I’ve been thinking that the world ends just days after the Padres win it all.
GASoxFan
Joe, that’s the floor guarantee. Ceiling with the incentives wound up at 276m/10 maximized out. You keep only quoting a portion of the offer I stick there.
Maybe he would’ve taken less than a 280m from preller, but, bloom topped out at 160/6 which was 120m less. That’s huge
If you read the reporting over the year, Bogey was stressed about the FA process, and, hated every minute of it. I honestly think the years and knowing he doesn’t need to do FA again unless he feel like playing at an old age (not likely) played a big role here.
So, how far would I go? If I had to I’d make those three options straight player options at the top number, and see if that stuck. If that didn’t work, I’d go further.
Had Bogey stayed with the sox 10 more years I think youd see his number retired in fenway.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – I know you’re trolling again, but sure I’ll reiterate my stance for the 20th time so that newbies will know.
I wanted Xander signed more than a year ago, when he would have accepted $180M or less over 6 years. Once Bloom simultaneously gave Story $140M and lowballed Xander with a $90M offer, myself and everyone except you knew he was gone I would never have wanted Bloom to give him $280M after he had the opportunity to sign him for approx half that amount.
Of course you support Bloom’s handling of the Xander situation, you support him on everything because him and Henry are destroying the franchise and you’re loving every minute of it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – If you ever get married, remember this: Don’t treat your wife like crap and wait until she divorces you if you want to keep her.
Once she starts dating other men (or women), it’s too late … she’s gone.
It’s the exact same thing with baseball players who get treated like crap the way Xander did. To give Story $140M at nearly the exact same time that he lowballed Xander with a $90M is a clearcut sign Bloom didn’t value Xander.
Stop trolling, call it what it is.
GASoxFan
– fenway fanatic, why a flight? Aren’t there any local infrastructure projects around?
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: Why do you think Xander would have signed for half the Padres contract a year ago? I just can’t see Boras settling for that.
wiredrunner
Sox offered Devers 8 years – he wants 10 so I believe they will trade him. They should have traded Bogaerts since they were never going to sign him.
Bloom wants to stick to 5-6 year contracts but seems he will go to 8 for the right player.
Red Sox will make $479 million in 2023 according to NBC but Henry wants a higher return on his investment than he is getting apparently.
BStrowman
11/280 is a bad deal for Bogaerts.
You can say what you want about Bloom but he is not wrong for passing on this.
That’s a horrible contract and future albatross.
BStrowman
Mayer ended the year in A+. There’s a very real chance he plays in A+ for a month or not at all.
He could be the opening day SS in 2024 if things go right. Barring an injury or serious decline—he’ll almost certainly be the RS opening day SS in 2025.
Pads Fans
There is less than a 20% chance Mayer ever becomes a league average shortstop in the majors. An 80% chance he never makes it or only becomes a 0.0-1.9 WAR player. Those are the odds for both a 1st round draft pick and top 100 prospect.
Plugnplay
The 11 year trade off, yes it lowers his AVV yearly. Which you trade off for the fact you’ll be paying him the last 3 years for laying on his couch.
Pads Fans
You know for certain he won’t be playing at the end of his contract Nostradamus? Your crystal ball seems to be a mite bit mudy because his contract ends with his age 40 season. He will not be under contract with the Padres for his age 41 season. Try to keep up with the basics.
There is no salary cap in baseball, there is a CBT threshold. A huge difference those two things. Please pay attention.
The Red Sox are still paying that money. Whether its going to Yoshida or the Orix Buffaloes, its still coming out of the Red Sox pockets. Or didn’t you notice that fact?
The Padres are paying $25.5 million per season on average for Bogaerts and the Red Sox are paying $21.5 million per season on average for Yoshida.
The gap is exactly what I said. Nothing more. Nothing less. Spin doesn’t change facts.
What those relievers do before or after is not germane to the discussion. What they do when they are Padres is. They were as good or better in Park Adjusted Stats while playing for the Padres as Jansen was the last 3 seasons. Jansen 132/191/121 ERA+. Padres relievers I mentioned 157Johnson/175Melancon/128 Crismat ERA+ That is a park and league adjust stat. Add them all up and they don’t cost what Jansen will cost by the All Star break this season.
The Dodgers are weaker opponents? Their 217 wins are the most in baseball the last 2 seasons and 26 more than the Yankees. The Giants with their 188 wins over the last 2 seasons? Rays and Jays had less wins. Over the last 2 seasons the Padres opponents had 9 more wins than the Red Sox opponents.
Pads Fans
So you felt that at 7/196 that he was worth $2.5 million more per season than he got from the Padres. Do you think any team that signs a long term deal cares what happens in season 8-11?
Pads Fans
Mr Yoshida, the terriyaki guy. mryoshidas.com/AboutMrYoshida
Pads Fans
Actually, its 7/210 (196+14 option buyout) or 8/220 (196+24 for the 8th season) so depending on if the 1st option is declined or picked up. $30 million AAV or $27.5 million AAV
You can do the math on the AAV from this point on,
Then there is the 2nd option decision. If its declined its 8/230. If its picked up its 9/240.
Then there is the final option. If its declined its 9/246. If its picked up its 10/256.
ForeverGiantsFan
I think he will get a longer deal. Looking at other signings I would guess he gets 8 years. Minnesota is interested.
Hammerin' Hank
Fielding percentage is virtually meaningless. Go look up his defensive runs saved, outs above average, and ultimate zone rating, and get back to us. I know he’s not known as a good defender, but fielding percentage is a stat from the 19th century that tells us very little about his ability.
SoxFanSince1994
You’re a pud.
SaintChris
Meant to type “bat first shortstop.” Sorry for the confusion.
SaintChris
Yes, Pete. I made a mental error there with my wording. I meant to type “bat first.” I am an idiot.
I’m on the fifth day of a seven day trip at Disney, with 4 kids in tow. My mind is a little cooked. Forgive me.
Deleted Userr
I wonder how they will feel about him letting Bogey walk 11 years from now.
User 401527550
Orioles, Braves,Dodgers,Red sox and others could now be in the mix. His market could be hotter then ever.
MLB-1971
Correction….age 41. Lol
MLB-1971
Jtm2889 – Agreed, Mayer is currently one of the top 3 prospects in all of the Minor Leagues. He will make his MLB appearance most likely in 2024, and he is worth the wait!
Bogaerts, and the left side of the Red Sox infield defense, has been bad. Bogaerts is NOT a good defensive SS and will only get MUCH worse with the banning of the shift starting in 2023!
Bogaerts has been a great run producer in the past. In 2022 he sucked complete with weak contact and very little clutch hitting. Check out the number of left-on-base this year complete with very little power.
I am glad Bogaerts was a great Red Sox player, but I am ready to see the next great Red Sox SS.
bhambrave
You want to wait until he’s 40 to get him?
🙂
BStrowman
This is just nonsense.
A 5 year deal does not equal 11 and the posting fee isn’t used for AAV purposes so it won’t hamstring the team when they push up against the tax line.
Both deals might be absolute garbage but if you’re loving on the Bogey deal—those glasses have a huge tint of rose
Pete'sView
No problem, enjoy the Pirates of the Caribbean,
Pads Fans
The posting fee is not included in AAV calculation for the CBT payroll, but it certainly is something that the team has to spend and it is part of the average annual cost of the player. Makes no sense to try to say otherwise.
Bogaerts is a proven superstar that got a deal that means the Padres will pay him $25.5 million per season on average.
Yoshida is an unknown that played in a league that equates with AAA in the US in terms of the stat dropoff when moving to the majors and he got a deal that will cost the Red Sox an average of $21.5 million per season.
Both are going into their age 30 season.
Pads Fans
Mayers is 19 and is a top 10 prospect in baseball, not top 3 as no list had him above 7. He will return to A+ ball to start the season in 2023.
If everything goes right, he might get to majors in 2024 for a cup of coffee late in the season, but the chance of him being a regular in the majors before 2025 are slim and none.
Betting on high draft picks, even those that are top 10 prospects, to be Bogaerts level players is a losing proposition 95% of the time.
Pads Fans
I should have pointed out that I was answering JoeBrady
Pads Fans
Devers is 26 years old. baseball-reference.com/players/d/deverra01.shtml
PulledaBloom
GASoxfan – OUTSTANDING. You hit the nail on the head. Smoke and mirrors and no accountability for lack of performance. The last part speaks to the mindset of ownership.
Bogaerts during his introduction to San Diego was asked what his main criteria was for picking a team this off season.
His answer speaks volumes to the current situation
“I wanted to be in an organization that wanted to win”
No better classy slap in the face to Bloom and Owners than that comment.
The fans feel the same way. This ownership gave us a great taste of winning and then pulled the rug out from under our feet when they fired Dombrowski. Now Philly fans have what Bloom promised and couldn’t deliver ….. sustained winning and a bright future.
With all the money available in 2023 thanks to Dombrowski retool plan for 2023, Bloom had a chance to fix what he broke and instead he’s making it worse. Each deal or should I say “missed deal” (Bogey)) or bad deal (Yoshida) moves the team farther from a championship.
Seems like you and I are on the same page when it comes to realistically looking at what Bloom has done and not done.
Padres2019ha
Doesn’t matter if he averages 3 WAR per season then we got value. And that 3 WAR is worth $8mil now so in the future that $8mil cost will only get much higher
Pads Fans
Take all the 1st round picks or all the Top 100 prospects over the past 20 seasons and see what percentage put up a league average WAR in the majors. The percentage for both groups is very close to the same,
Bogaerts has averaged more than double league average WAR over the past 6 seasons. Less than 5% of top prospects do that.
Pads Fans
Nope. Kim is not available in trade. Preller made that clear in his presser today.
What SS is out there and available in FA or trade that matches Bogaerts numbers? How much is he being paid?
PulledaBloom
JoeBrady – You must really hate Bogaerts with your 2-3 year estimate. Didn’t you also say Mookie was going to do badly in LAD? How’s that working out?
Machado and Harper are far bigger risks than Bogaerts because of their injury history, their body types and the way they play.
Lets count the number of games missed by Bogaerts versus Harper and Machado over the next three years let alone the last part of their contracts. Bogaerts like Mookie takes care of himself, plays under control and doesn’t end up on the IL. His hitting isn’t as good as Harper and Machado but that’s reflected in the amount paid each player. Bogaerts has a contract that will provide value if he posts a 130 OPS+ for the next 6 years. Harper and Manny need to do more than that to have better paybacks than Bogaerts.
Comparison of OPS+ since 2018
2018 to 2022
Bogaerts – 135, 139, 128, 129 and 131 = Games played 641
Harper – 133, 126, 158, 179, 145 = Games played 614 (will miss 1/2 2023)
Machado – 122, 110, 160, 131, 159 = Games played – Games played 585
Machado 10 years $300MM with AAV of $30MM AAV
Harper 13 years $330MM AAV of $25.38 thanks to $20MM bonus in YR1
Bogaerts 11 years $ with AAV of $25.45MM AAV
Harper is 26 to 38 in his deal made in 2019
Machado is 26 to 35 in his deal made in 2019
Bogaerts is 30 to 40 in his deal made in 2023
Machado, Bogaerts, Tatis, Musgrove and Darvish cost $117MM roughly leaving another $100MM for the remaining players, minor league contracts and Benefits. Staying under the cap can happen with smart choices.
The Bogaerts deal needs high returns through 2027 the current planning horizon. After that, like Dombrowski planned in Boston, the GM will retool the future roster and will need to deal with the potential slide of older players but the money available by then will be far greater and the impact of Bogaerts or Tatis or Machado failing will be far less.
With two available all-star quality shortstops in Correa and Bogaerts and a one step down guy like Swanson also on the market it made perfect sense to get Bogaerts for much less than Correa especially when you consider how few games per year Correa plays. Let LAD pay the big bucks for Correa and watch how many more games Bogaerts plays for less money.
ForeverGiantsFan
I guess Yankees are interested in Correa (Giants will be bridesmaid again). New York teams don’t care about the luxury tax.
PulledaBloom
Fever – Nice response to JoeBrady.
It’s amazing how many national sports people are saying the same thing – “I have no idea what the Red Sox are doing” I counted 9 MLB channel personalities voicing the same comment.
My question is = Why is ownership oblivious to the massive embarrassment they are enduring with Bloom? Do they really think misdirection by over-paying for a foreign player can be spun into a positive?
I feel like it’s the end of January 2020 and Bloom is once again pulling a Barney Fife and shooting himself in the foot. With $100MM at his disposal I wonder how many $12MM a year guys he will sign over the next 4 months.
Bloom runs a big market team that has the worst defensive 3B in baseball, a LAD throw away slotted for centerfield, a minor league player slotted for right field, a cheap average veteran and two young players who can’t hit for average playing 1B, a journeyman reject from the Giants playing 2B and an all-star from Colorado who under performed in year 1 playing SS. He doesn’t have a legitimate catcher and that’s just the offense!!!
He’s got an elite SP who can’t stay healthy under Cora as his #1 SP, a broken down seldom good journeyman SP in Paxton, an outstanding SP in Houck who will probably be misused by his under qualified manager and 3 really good looking minor league pitchers who might prove to be keepers. BUT he’s got a top closer now who is nearly Tom Brady’s age, a couple of set-up men who are highly touted and Whitlock a Rule-5 steal who didn’t reach his 2021 level in 2022.
A hot toxic mess in Boston. Can’t wait to see the pink slip for Bloom.
Pete'sView
ForeverGiantsFan — I find that hard to believe with two of the best SS prospects in baseball in the Yankee system. Peraza and Volpe, with Cabrera also potentially at SS (though they’ve played him in LF alot). Even Gleyber can play there in a pinch.
I’m not saying it’s impossible for the Yankees to go after Correa, but it doesn’t make much sense in dollars or in Yankee fans minds. (Holding a grudge about the cheating scandal.)
The Dodgers are out for the same reason. I think it comes down to the Twins and Giants, although I suppose the Cubs could surprise everyone and move Hoerner to 2B.
But I’ll tell you this, if Farhan strikes out on Correa, he better not come back with Swanson (who played above his head last year and isn’t worth the money.)
Or Farhan better have some amazing trades in his pocket. If not, Giant fans will have the pitchforks out.
PulledaBloom
Hammerin – Like in the movie Top Gun, your data appears to be inaccurate!!
Fielding percentage is a fact not a simulation. It’s not impacted by the clown fielding next to you. It’s not based on a one time set of circumstances extrapolated into the future. It’s actual performance data.
Binary success at fielding is all that matters. Do a cartwheel and make the catch and throw the ball away is worse than standing in front of the ball fielding it cleanly and throwing out the runner. That’s what the game is about not “what if” scenarios.
Execution is far more important than flare, showmanship or speed. New school thinking lacks baseball savvy.
If you learn the game fundamentals you wouldn’t bash fielding percentage. You would use it for what it provides. An accurate measure of success of a fielder that can be used to evaluate the overall performance of a player on defense.
Pads Fans
Joe Brady – As of today, and it will change as the post season progresses, a point of bWAR is worth $10.2 million for the AAV of the FA signings.
How may WAR do the Padres need Bogaerts to put up to recoup their annual investment at $10.2 million per point of WAR? So if he puts up 4-6 WAR in each of the next 3 seasons like he did in 2022, how much surplus value did he create?
Lets say for sake of argument that we start with the average of his last two seasons as the base, not his 2022 season, and assume that FA player salaries do not increase after 2023.
We also will assume that Bogaerts follows the typical regression pattern for star level players from age 31 on.
That is 14.7 WAR. A 7+ WAR surplus worth $71.4 million surplus value or a little more over the next 3 seasons.
If he continues to regress at the same pace as most 33-35 year old players and puts up 12 WAR, that is another $45-46 in surplus value.
Now the Padres are 6 years into an 11 year deal and have $116 million in surplus value give or take a couple million.
Player regression accelerates at age 35 so those numbers no longer look as good. Over the next 3 years the Padres will be lucky break even on Bogaerts age 36-38 salaries with a projected 6.0 WAR. Lets say its a little worse than the regression projections say it will be and they lost 2.5 WAR over that 3 year period. That is a $25.6 million deficit in value.
The last 2 years will be brutal. A full point of WAR would be a good outcome based on the regression we have seen in 39-40 year old players. . Lets say that they get absolutely ZERO production for those years. They pay $51 million for him to sit on the IL.
Lets do the math. A $116 surplus value his first 6 seasons and a $77 million deficit his last 5.
That is a profit.
Even if FA salaries end up being closer to the $9.5 million per point of bWAR that was projected going into the FA period, meaning everyone that signs after today gets less AAV than what was projected by MLBTR, do the math and you will find that the Padres will have broken even on Bogaerts contract.
You can be sure the Padres went through a process much like this that also included things like merchandise sales, playoff revenue and increased ticket sales into the equation. The Padres should do just fine on this deal.
Pads Fans
$120 million gap. The largest Red Sox offer was 6/160 according to Abraham.
bhambrave
Range matters. If you play everything you get to but you have the range of a fencepost, then your fielding % will be 1.000 but you’re still a crappy defender.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – We’ve been through this before, anything short of a link to a direct quote from Xander you will quickly dismiss.
Here’s plenty of facts: Xander’s market value increased substantially after last year’s contracts signed by Seager, Baez, Correa and Semien.
Since 2018 Xander has been a much, much better hitter than all of them and even Lindor. Look at the OPS since 2018 of all those guys, then look at the contracts they signed.
Then the Red Sox gave Story $140M. This is why prior to this season Xander wouldn’t budge from 6/$180M, because anybody with at least half a brain would know he deserved it …. and that was BEFORE he put up a GG caliber season and got MVP votes for a 5th consecutive season.
websoulsurfer
Mayer is a great prospect, but as the saying goes, “Their Aint No Such Thing as a Sure Thing Prospect.”
If he excels and jumps a couple levels next season, that puts his timeline to be a regular everyday starter in 2025. The big problem is that its not a sure thing that he will even be that good in the majors. More of these kids flame out than make it as a regular.
No team with revenue like the Red Sox should wait 3 years for a potential savior. Not if they want to be winners.
websoulsurfer
Since this seems to be hard for you, I will lay it out year by year so you can visualize it.
2023 – 30
2024 – 31
2025 – 32
2026 – 33
2027 – 34
2028 – 35
2029 – 36
2023 – 37
2031 – 38
2032 – 39
2033 – 40
11 years. Contract over
websoulsurfer
Stymeed, The Padres just signed Bogaerts for 4 million more than they were paying Myers. How does that block them from extending Machado?
websoulsurfer
I didn’t realize that $/WAR was so high. Also didn’t believe your math so I checked it out. Damn. It has gone up $1.5 million in one year.
Fever Pitch Guy
PadsFan – Both Devers and Xander were called up to the majors at Age 20 and stayed. There is no reason why Mayer won’t do the same, he’s expected to join the big club in 2024.
AA is where prospects cut their chops the most, if they master AA then quite often they will play very few games at AAA before getting called up. Sometimes players get called up directly from AA.
Fever Pitch Guy
Milt – You’re siding with the guy who could have signed Xander to $180M last year, but chose to lowball him with an insulting $90M offer?
Not a good move, man.
PulledaBloom
SaintChris – Glove first? Never heard that description before. WOW!! Thank you. For years I’ve been arguing the modern metrics have been bogus due to Devers cutting off too many balls that impact Bogaerts range and runs saved. I guess you agree.
My issue is how do you call the SS with a top 3 OPS+ over the last 3, 4 or 5 years not an offensive threat. HRs from SS is a luxury not a necessity. Run production, timely hitting and on base percentage all favor Bogaerts as a top HITTING SS too.
At age 30 nobody is buying him a cane, he has plenty of good years left, especially playing in an organization that isn’t toxic like Boston. Losing Mookie was a big blow to Bogaerts. He saw the hand writing on the wall under Bloom and has dreaded having to leave the place he loves. I wouldn’t be surprised if his numbers go up being somewhere he is loved by ownership and management not just the fans.
We are on the same page with Bloom. I love your BoNEHEAD MORON comment. He needs to go before he throws away over $100MM in future payroll to guys who make $12MM a year like Kike Hernandez, Arroyo and the other worthless KMART players he’s signed. His most recent Yoshida mistake is a perfect example of what’s wrong. A bad fielding slap hitter to play left field for far more money than Benintendi would command in free agency. He’s downgrading every position!!
C – Vazquez to NOBODY
1B – Using Dombrowski’s minor league players
2B – Pedroia/Nunez/Holt to Arrovy
SS – Bogaerts to Story
3B – Devers still a mistake at 3B
LF – Benny to Yoshida
CF – Renfroe to Kike
RF – Mookie to Refsnyder
DH – JD to NOBODY
SP – Sale still there for now
SP – Price to Paxton
SP – Eovaldi to TBD
SP – EROD to (fill with a Dombrowski minor league pitcher)
SP – Porcello to (fill with a Dombrowski minor league pitcher)
CL – Kimbrel to a very senior Kenley Jansen
Relievers – Too many to mention
Comparing roster inherited to current roster is embarrassing to everyone except the owners for some reason. Even the press is harping about how pathetic the Red Sox are while pointing out their lack of direction.
SaintChris all we can do is fight the good fight to get rid of Bloom!!!!
PulledaBloom
JTm2889 – So Bloom pays you to comment. Congrats.
Devers has a late birthday which makes him a 26 right now and nearly 27 by next season. With all the facts presented why quibble over the fact that 2 1/2 years qualifies as near 30?: Because you have no valid arguments. You want to stay in grey areas.
Your body type examples are a joke because you left off Cecil Fielder and his son, you left off Panda. You also exaggerated with Abreu and Manny. They were never pudgy players in their early 20s. Miggy is a perfect example of a guy dropping off due to weight gained as he aged. Thank you for proving my point.
Dombrowski’s carryover players took Boston farther than they should have ever advanced and Bloom had next to nothing to do with it. 2020 and 2022 were no flukes 2021 was the fluke as we all saw in 2022. Now all the great carry over players are being replaced and Boston is becoming a desolate location for quality baseball. Red Sox fans may have to wait 5 years for their next all-star player. Devers might make the all-stars in 2023 and then play somewhere else and in the meantime the savior of the franchise isn’t doing well in the minors so he may never be an all-star or he will be in many years. Great future for fans!!!
Take your Bloom money and go buy a bicycle. Your ideas are those of a toddler.
PulledaBloom
Fever – Take a hard look at Yoshida’s numbers in an inferior baseball league. He can be summarized as a slap hitting bad fielding left fielder without speed. Does that help the Red Sox? He could bat lead off since we haven’t had a good one since Mookie got pushed out the door. His OBP is his one redeeming quality. Adding another bad glove makes perfect sense since the team is leaving the worst 3B in history at 3B going forward. Defense is not a priority to the Red Sox which is why they finished 5th. No talent usually means no wins. Less talent usually means less wins.
That’s the near future of the Red Sox until Bloom is gone. I still think the Yankees are paying him a stipend to be this bad. Could he really have such a poor understanding of baseball after sitting in a room with so many great baseball minds in TB?
PulledaBloom
A 40 yr old DH who still has an OBP of .350 doesn’t sound so bad as a transition for Bogaerts once he loses a step.
PulledaBloom
Flaiming = The process is for the GM to a present trade and/or free agent signing to the ownership team. At that point all parties are culpable
If a deal ISN’T brought to the table and doesn’t happen then it’s on the GM. If he brings one to the table and it gets rejected then it’s on the ownership group.
Baseball organizations all work the same way. Only the participants vary and their influence on the steps within the standard process..
PulledaBloom
Ebouch25 – I’m ok with you not liking his hitting as long as he remains a top 3 OPS+ guy at SS. I’m thinking the OPS+ stat might be more reliable.
PulledaBloom
Dock – Very insightful comments. I agree the shrinking fan base should be a concern BUT the world of marketing has stopped normal marketing trends and redefined them. Who would have expected the windfall revenues from allowing gambling into baseball? That more than off set the fall in the fan base. It’s hard to say where the future will go with new innovative sources for revenue for baseball. Most teams seem very optimistic these days not practical. They are not proceeding with caution.
PulledaBloom
jbryant – You are very pleased to see Bogaerts leave the Red Sox because the owners saved roughly $10MM a year for a decade and are losing a home grown HOFer? It’s not your money. Your ticket prices won’t go down. You’ll have to watch an inferior team.
Why are you “very pleased”? Envy that ballplayers make so much money?
Comments like yours need more depth so others can understand why. you feel so strongly.
PulledaBloom
Pete – I enjoyed your view and agree that the disparity between providing valued services like first responders versus entertainment services is ridiculous.
Here is a small point of clarification. Given the world as it has existed in baseball since we were young, the money has always been a fight between the owners making the profits and the players. The players are the actual entertainment while the owners historically provided the financing for the league. The world has changed and the entertainment industry has blossomed. Top end players now make money more equivalent to other big time entertainers.
When we look at the Bogaerts deal it comes down to a simple trade-off. Would you rather see one person who is the entertainment receive the money for his services or would you rather see it become part of the profits of the organization that makes roughly $330MM annually. That’s not including the rising value of the franchise.
For me, I would love to see the entertainment industry levied with a tax that is to be paid without governmental intervention to the service industries of the world so we could have more and better teachers, firemen and health workers. It won’t happen but you and I are on the same page about how the distribution of income in the US continues to move in the wrong direction.
Great post.
Pete'sView
PulledaBloom — Your idea, or any idea for that matter that provides funding for first responders, health workers, service industry people, etc in general, works for me.
We know that Machado, Harper and Judge, (for instance) are all top “entertainers” in their profession, just as is Margo Robbie, The Rock, DiCaprio, Tom Cruise, Denzel and many more are in film.
I can live with all entertainers who have reached the top of their professions making that kind of money (and the CEO’s and money movers making even more), as long as they are properly taxed, paying their fair share of being in our system. That way the really important people in our society (the givers) are properly rewarded so the society, as a whole, thrives.
We seem to be getting further and further away from that.
outinleftfield
The Red Sox still pay out that money right? So it IS a cost to the team for that player.
YourDreamGM
Not giving out that contract should make the day even better. I feel bad for Padres fans long term. Hope they win a championship in the next couple of years.
JockStrap
At this point, they better. Gotta remember how the dodgers were before the sox traded to them in 2012…after that they went wild
User 401527550
Why? They have elite young talent for the next ten years. Their future looks great.
ACK
No salary cap in MLB. I feel bad for fans of teams that don’t spend.
User 401527550
I think the top 10-12 teams are telling smaller market teams where to stick it after the last CBA agreement. The luxury tax should be at least 50 million higher then it is.
Bright Side
No, it shouldn’t. Remove MLB’s anti-trust exemption and allow teams to sell to wealthier owners like Mark Cuban and everyone wins.
Bright Side
I don’t. Pittsburgh native Mark Cuban wanted to buy the Pirates and MLB blocked him thanks to its anti-trust exemption. Don’t blame big markets.
User 401527550
Mark cuban wouldn’t even be that wealthy compared to many current owners. He’s having a hard enough time running his mediocre basketball team.
YourDreamGM
I feel bad for those teams missing out on prospects.
emac22
You never noticed how good the Padres are?
Do you really think any of them are worried about the teams payroll in 2030?
flamingbagofpoop
Where?
KyleT
30 is not “young” when signing an 11 year contract.
all in the suit that you wear
Paying Xander Bogaerts until age 41 is insane! AJ Preller is insane! That’s my reaction. Thanks for everything in Boston, Xander.
kcmark
AJ is smart. You think he will still be there after year 5 when the production starts to fade.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – The contract was structured to reduce the AAV over the years.
You know he’s worth a lot more than $25M per year, right?
So if the $280M was spread out over just 8 years, what’s the difference?
Better to take the $25M annual hit than $35M.
Panheadsforever
Exactly…Thanks but no thanks to that contract !….Machado,Bogey …WOW
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: I think it was about the the number of years, not the AAV. I don’t like long, expensive deals where the player is an expensive drag on the team at the end of the deal. This is the Yankees problem now with Hicks, DJ LeMahieu, Stanton and I think Judge will get to that point too.
all in the suit that you wear
kcmark: Will Preller get rid of Bogaerts the same way he got rid of Hosmer – pay 95% of his salary for him to play for another team?
Deleted Userr
Definitely not
websoulsurfer
$25 million is an expensive drag on a team? 8 years from now do you really think that $25 million will be a large sum of money to a MLB team?
roiste
I have mixed feelings. I’m very sad Xander’s gone, but that contract is so objectively terrible I’m glad they didn’t give it to him. I
GASoxFan
Boston didn’t get xander, but, did pick up a low 4th rd pick thanks to blooms mismanagement!
Deleted Userr
But at least they got 2 months of Tommy Pham!
GASoxFan
In true bloom keeping he will now probably pivot and make a terrible signing. Or worse, plug story in at SS.
If this is their plan, and were tanking yet another year, grab Iglesias for his solid d. He has always been a good contact hitter with the sox too.
Unfortunately, that would make sense as a bandaid here so bloom won’t do it. And if Mayer isn’t in top 2 ROY and in his first full season an all-star bloom ought to be run up the fenway flagpole in January by his ankles.
websoulsurfer
GAsox, The first thing Bloom said was that they could plug Story in at shortstop.
luckyh
So okay with a pass on this one.
Occams_hairbrush
I mean, I definitely don’t mind the Red Sox matching that.
tigerfan1968
even better now… huge overpay…
dirkg
Apparently the Pujols and Cabrera contracts have taught us nothing. Agents run MLB.
Zerbs63
Padres have to sign free agents they traded all their prospects away
Ryan W
They just produce a lot more prospects than most teams. There’s more still coming
Deleted Userr
Their farm is basically just Jackson Merrill, Dylan Lesko and Samuel Zavala, none of whom will be Padres anymore this time next year.
case
Not a bad strategy. Yankees have traded everything away except top prospects and achieved no WS success. Best strat is probably to hold on to prospects or just go for it and unload everything in an attempt to pool enough talent to win a WS.
Dynasty
That’s not true at all lol
Brew’88
Especially Merrill, unless they want a lineup with 4 SSs
Deleted Userr
Wow. You really are Tim Dierkes’ nephew.
Brew88
I would add Snellling as one with significant trade value as well
websoulsurfer
Keep an eye on Connor Hollis. He is old to be a prospect, but he was drafted out of college at 23. Professional hitter. Someone is going to give him a shot in the majors and not be disappointed by the year or two he gives them.
sophiethegreatdane
MLBTR’s prediction was only off by 100 million dollars.
ForeverGiantsFan
I think Machado will opt at end of 2023 season and Soto will be a free agent I believe. Signing may be to replace one of those bats.
Pads Fans
Soto will not be a FA until after 2024. If Manny opts out it will be because he had another MVP type season. I am good with that.
From his actions and his words its pretty clear he wants to end his career in San Diego, so I am confident the Padres will get an extension done that keeps him here.
BStrowman
If Bogey is getting 11 years @280. Manny is opting out of 5/150 so fast. Unless this market crashes like the real estate market in 2008.
Won’t surprise me either.
websoulsurfer
Machado’s current contract takes him through his age 35 season at $30 million AAV. Maybe he is willing to gamble on a new 10/250 deal, but an extension at what Bogaerts is making AAV for 4-5 years would probably keep him in San Diego.
BuJoBi
Terrible signing lol. 11 years for a 30 year old. Preller is lost. You can’t just add players with no positions to play them, move players out of there natural positions and hope it works out. There’s no core to this team.
ohyeadam
Somehow I feel like Correa will end up staying with the Twins 1/41
fre5hwind
160 mph!
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Oh no, 2 top SS signing 11 yr. contracts…Looks like the Braves will have to offer a bonanza to Swanson & pay him until he gets his first social security check. I smell buyer’s remorse from Phil & SD 6 or 7 years from now.
Ben10
Why is this thread still even getting posts?!
websoulsurfer
The new notification system I would guess. That and the fact that many Red Sox fans are truly fanatics.
Neon Cop
W H O A
Surly_03
Are they including a Cost Of Living Adjustment in these contracts to offset for the possibility of ongoing inflation?
tigerfan1968
is that supposed to be a joke…?
Surly_03
It’s no joking matter, imo.
Say inflation stays around 18% for 10 years.
Owners will make out like bandits on these lengthy contracts without a COLA adjustment.
GASoxFan
It’s good for Xander. He is out from under blooms inconsistent moves and lack of commitment to building a winner.
In SD he shouldn’t have the ops dept torpedoing morale, and, with things locked in should have a disrespect issue like in Beantown.
Xman will sure be missed. All of red sox nation wishes him well. SD – show him the love he deserves, you got a good one. Great clubhouse leader and mentor to some of your younger players. Gives it his all in everything he does.
Hope this move is everything he dreamed of.SD – you got an Xman for Xmas.
Deleted Userr
Oh god. That’s exactly what Royals fans said about Eric Hosmer 5 years ago!
GASoxFan
If you want you can give him back 😉
FenwayFanatic
It was too good of a deal not to take but it feels like a knife in the stomach. Chaim Bloom has managed to get rid up all our hometown talent and add it with new bad talent. Bogaerts, Benintendi, and Betts were the heart and soul of Boston and he threw it all away without caring. He just took 2 maybe 3(Devers) Hometown Hall of Famers and let them go without a fight. Bloom needs to be gone. Red Sox nation will NEVER heal. I’m going to go cry in a corner.
Deadguy
Wow, players do wanna play in California after all! They already have a star short stop. Trade coming?
DTD/ATL1313
He’ll be in the OF
Deadguy
Oh… so no more double jumps?
PhanaticDuck26
actually the roids enable him to do a triple jump now… ’tis quite a sight.
Deadguy
Can’t wait to see that, any word on quadruple jumps?
VegasSDfan
The Padres have a complete infield now.
They are thin in the outfield
Pads Fans
Padres lineup now looks like this
1B – Cronenworth
2B – Kim
SS – Bogaerts
3B – Machado
LF – Tatis (starting 4/20)
CF – Grisham
RF – Soto
C – Nola/Campy
The only position to fill is DH and Campy and a number of other payers on that roster can rotate through DH.
Padres need starting pitching and positional depth now. Payroll for CBT purposes is around $254 million.
emac22
They switched him to 420?
Brew’88
The playoff games counted on his suspension
mrpadre19
VegasSDfan said the padres are thin in the outfield.
Soto-Grisham-Tatis
Thin?
The best fielding CF in baseball sandwiched between the two best players under 25 and top 8 at any age in MLB.
If that’s thin I’d love to know what’s thick!
damascusj
No, Tatis has full no trade, and is open to playing left field. Kim to second, Jake to first
Deleted Userr
Kim to trade. He can’t play 2B
qbert1996
Literally played 2nd in 2021 but sure…he can’t play there.
Padres2019ha
Lol boo this child!
Deleted Userr
Yeah and Wil Myers played 3rd base in 2018 and CF several times the past few years. What’s your point?
Deleted Userr
Prsr I’m like twice your age but…
Brew’88
Kim to utility, if anyone gets traded it’s Cronz?
Deleted Userr
I’m not trading Cronenworth unless it’s for prime Mike Trout already signed to a 10-year extension. But that’s just me.
Deleted Userr
Since his bat only really plays at shortstop and since his fielding definitely hasn’t necessitated a move off the position for him.
Padres2019ha
Dude 2b are usually the lightest hitting position players. You are really trying hard to sound intelligent. You make zero sense
Deleted Userr
Shortstop is further to the right on the defensive spectrum than second base my guy. And the Padres would objectively win more games with Kim at shortstop than with Kim at 2nd base and an inferior defender who hits better at shortstop.
Catuli Carl
Lol shut up douchebag
Deleted Userr
WoW! And just when I thought you couldn’t sink any lower. Exactly HOW big of a POS do you have to be to use “on the spectrum” as an insult in 2022? Mods, this guy needs to be banned.
Padres2019ha
Tryna cancel my bro Tsss I guess I could just start another screen name like you?? Provocative the comment was. Maybe not the best choice of words. Forgive me?
brucebochyisthemarlboroman
Damn dude. Thank you for using my 9 year old sons condition as a pejorative to poorly attempt to win an argument on the internet. You need to reflect on your choice of words and choice of how you view life. Absolutely classless.
Brew’88
Same could be said of Croneneworth, bat doesn’t play at first, plus he’s perhaps a better 2b than anyone else on the team including a Kim adaptation. I’m guessing they sign a 1b or work a trade
Deleted Userr
Yeah I don’t like Crone at 1B either
Brew88
Though I think they both are likely not to be traded given the bargain both are through 25, which complicates the reasoning (to my small mind) in the Bogaerts acquisition. I admit – didn’t see this one happening.
Chipsss
They do! As long as the team has a track record of spending money on good players. Farhan forgot that part of the equation with Judge.
JockStrap
Given his BS…I’m with you that they want him out.
LordD99
Xander at SS in 2023. Tatis in the OF. Machado may leave after 2023, so Xander can shift maybe to 3B in 2024 and Tatis back to SS.
Pads Fans
Kim is a much better defensive player. I would think they would move him back to SS if Machado leaves. I seriously doubt Machado will leave.
Brew88
IF Machado doesn’t leave, it’s unclear to me what the Pads are thinking now. I’m not sure I like Tatis committed fully to OF at this point, he’s error-prone with throws but still a dynamic IF presence. The team needs to add an OF? I definitely don’t like a plan that puts Kim at 2B and Cronz at 1B regularly. Both are out of position and not where their value is optimal. The team lacked slug last year and Cronz to 1B won’t improve that, even with adding Tatis (who fills HR gap from losing Bell/Drury/Profar).
Seems if they want to improve slug then they must add DH/1B power bats. Kim might end up seeing a lot of utility usage as a result. For this reason, I didn’t expect them to actually add a high-profile SS, I like Bogaerts as a nice hitter but I’m surprised by this signing from standpoint of position fit…
Pads Fans
Tatis has said he is willing to play OF. This signing was not happening without that assurance.
Preller said he was still looking to trade for a 1B/DH to upgrade the squad. Who do you think is available in trade that would be an upgrade?
Take a look at the SLG% of the players that I listed. That team is 3rd in MLB in SLG% if you include Tatis career numbers. Home runs are not the be all, end all, especially with a deadened ball and the extreme shift being eliminated. OPS becomes the be all, end all. The Padres team as currently constituted excels in that.
bryan c
Wouldn’t you when your ask was probably closer to half of that??? $280M for XB? Oh my god this is hilarious. I thought Cohen acted like a kid playing MLB the Show when he got spurned last year but he at least signed three guys to short term deals. This reeks of desperation. I thought Tuner’s 11 year would age poorly. I’m here to admit I should have withheld judgement
Deadguy
Gotta throw in a extra 40 million if you’re a “Rockstar gm” like AJ preller
Padres2019ha
Ayo for yayo
Pads Fans
I know you wish your team would spend like this, but don’t be jealous. What this reaks of is domination.
6 players that had a 4+ WAR last season. Every position over league average WAR.
The back of the starting rotation is weak with Martinez and a question mark, but the 1st 3 matches up favorably with nearly any team in the league.
The bullpen is solid. If Pomeranz returns healthy it is one of the top pens in the league.
Padres are knocking it out of the park.
bryan c
Bro. I’m a Mets fan. You don’t know what spending is. And they have massive payroll flexibility in two years to steal Soto away. Lol. Not jealous. Not close.
Yes I know, we lost a wild card to you. If that excites you, that’s why you are a Padres fan
Pads Fans
Obviously you are. Padres are showing that the big market Mets are really not spending all that much comparatively.
Padres got much better already this offseason and its not over yet.
And who was it that knocked the Mets out AT HOME in 2022?
OOOO, that’s gotta sting.
bryan c
Not at all bro. Short term contracts.
Nothing stings about a wild card loss. Nothing. Nothing is exciting about a wild card win. Nothing. Grow up pal.
BaseballisLife
Lie much? Losing hurts. Especially after the Mets collapse that put them in the WC instead of being the Division winner.
bryan c
Im an adult. I dont cry over my entertainment. It should hutr the players but if you cry over a loss in the wild card you need therapy. Love the game. Love seeing my team make business prudent decisions to get better. Verlander for two years is low risk with potential high reward. My team is now run by a terrific owner that understands business and will restock every year. I know I will be entertained every single season he is in charge. That is plenty enough for me. Being a perennial contender is better than a short window of chaos every single time.
Deleted Userr
Why do you comment as Pads Fans and also as BaseballisLife?
Brew’88
Impossible
StreakingBlue
I bet San Diego is going to be sold to new owners.
damascusj
Lol, based on what? That just sounds like trash talk coming from a guy who’s team got knocked out in the first round
Curveball1984
As someone rooting for the Padres over the Dodgers & Giants, it is a fair question. The Padres have made veteran moves in the past to compete when necessary. Gossage & Garvey in ’84. Kevin Brown, Greg Vaughn, Ryan Klesko, bringing back Caminiti in the late 90s which resulted in their 1998 NL Pennant. But throwing around multiple contracts totaling a billion dollars for two players in two days is a bit suspicious. It feels very Jeffery Loria resigning Stanton and making lots of moves going into getting the All-Star Game in Miami. Meanwhile behind the scenes he was doing everything he could to unload the team at top-dollar so he didn’t have to pay those salaries. Look at Arte Moreno now. Spent all that money, isn’t a couple of years into Trout & Rendon’s deal and now is trying to sell, sell, sell. Huizenga did it in mid 90s with the Marlins. Soon as he got the WS trophy in 1997, unloaded everything.
Samuel
Curveball1984;
Good post!
Time will tell.
For sure the owner is crazier than Preller. He has something going on.
OldSaltUSNR
Seidler isn’t any of those guys. He’s a baseball guy from the O’Malley family. He also made his money doing honest investing, and is still, making money. Baseball is his hobby, and also, the family business.
Samuel
OldSaltUSNR;
Oh.
Pads Fans
Padres signed one guy. It doesn’t matter how much they offered to guys they didn’t sign, only the one they did.
emac22
I guess when people get old, bidding in the new economy feels overwhelming.
I remember getting the 2 bits payment theory from an old lady after yard work all day as a kid.
They bid on twp top of the market guys in free agency. They lost one and they got one.
jt3z
Hold up guys lets await on official sources not Heyman
Kapler's Coconut Oil
Heyman was actually second to report it. Passan was first
jt3z
Pretty sure Heyman was first but I wouldnt be surprised. hes usually always last
Deleted Userr
And when he tries to be first we get Arson Judge.
Curveball1984
Jeff “Muckraker” Passan is just as bad as Heyman.
DodgerDan
Wow
Souldrummer25
Padres are going all in. Be interested to see how the Dodgers respond and if they can keep Machado and soto.
Neon Cop
Let’s be honest, the Dodgers will probably be a third place team for the foreseeable future.
puigpower
LOL
jt3z
LMAO
dodgerdawg15
LMFAO!
YourDreamGM
Padres have been all in for years.
User 401527550
Dodgers are going to stay under the luxury tax and reset. They still are a very talented team.
Blue Dude
Otani 2024:)
Deadguy
The Dodgers have most of their team leaving in free agency? Never been a fan of the Draft Dodgers
HalosHeavenJJ
That momentum stopped in Boston.
Crazy the Padres keep adding shortstops.
Rsox
If i were wagering a guess right now i would say the likely Padres alignment would be:
C Austin Nola
1B Jake Cronenworth
2B Ha-Seong Kim
3B Manny Machado
SS Xander Bogaerts
LF Fernando Tatis Jr.
CF Trent Grisham
RF Juan Soto
DH ???
It would appear a DH bat may still be on Preller’s shopping list. I am sad to see Bogaerts leave but an 11 year deal is absolutely insane
Samuel
Rsox;
Seems to be too good to be true, doesn’t it?
JockStrap
Jd Martinez?
HalosHeavenJJ
That’s a great fielding infield. With the shift going away, that type of coverage will be great to have.
LosPobres1904
Soto is playing LF Tatis RF
Pads Fans
Unless Preller surprises and goes out and gets a true DH like JD Martinez, the DH spot would be whichever catcher is not starting, Nola or Campy.
Rsox
Dodgers are said to be in on JD knowing he wont require a massive commitment to sign. Justin Turner could make sense for the Padres strictly as a DH and Michael Conforto is still out there and could probably be had on a one year “prove it” contract
Brew88
I’d be surprised if Preller doesn’t go out and get a DH/1B bat
damascusj
Tatis to left, Kim to second, Jake to first
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Preller said tonight he’s working on a trade for a 1B too, but trades are tougher to put together..
Pads Fans
Sign Senga and Vazquez. Trade Nola and ??? for a 1B?
Typically the vast majority of trades don’t start until after the Winter Meetings .
coup
Why would anyone want Nola? What kind of 1Bman could he get us?
LosPobres1904
Abreu
Henry Silvestre
I heard Arraez
Rsox
Bobby Dalbec probably
coup
I would like to acquire Arraez for 1B, Henry.. That works for me. He’s a tough out. But the cost would likely include Merrill I would imagine.
websoulsurfer
Padres would be giving up a lot to get Arraez. Probably have to include Cronenworth or Kim to get him.
Deleted Userrr
Wouldn’t Arraez for Cronenworth just be a lateral move?
Deleted Userr
No. Kim. At. Second. Ever!
Xia
Perhaps Preller is looking to offload a big contract in trade for Ohtani? Tatis and prospects for Ohtani? Even with a no trade clause, it could still be a possibility. Checks off DH and a starting pitcher….
Deleted Userr
Tatis on his own is worth more than Ohtani
BStrowman
Tatis is way less valuable than Ohtani coming off a roid suspension and a 300MM contract.
The pads would never trade him now because it’s the absolute low point of his value.
Deleted Userr
One year rentals can only be worth so much my dude
YourDreamGM
Better than adding 1b or lf’s.
emac22
I wish the Yankees would do that instead of collecting corners and dhs.
candymaldonado
Well that seals it. Simply no way Padres ownership isn’t raking in drug cartel cash.
Blue Dude
Definitely Drug Cartel or Sex Traffic in TJ LOL
emac22
Your PPP dollars at work!
jeff51488
Holy moly
Pete zahut
Preller is a mad man
Brew88
Hi boss in a generous man
vaderzim
Bogaerts reportedly turned down a $375 Million offer from the Padres.
Wait… hold up.
MotownWings
Going by what they offered Judge and what they paid Bogaerts, the Padres got another $120 million to spend.
VegasSDfan
Judge is insane, has he been to San Diego? For 400 million he could live an amazing life
MotownWings
There’s a lot more prestige being remembered as a legend with the Yankees.
User 401527550
So for 360 million his life won’t be very good?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Anywhere in the world with $400 Mil, you, your kids , your grandkids, greatgrand kids, great-great grand……
myaccount2
Could still go after Senga.
bryan c
May as well go 6 years at $20M for Corey Kluber. It’s about on par with this deal
tstats
This is a lot of money that is WAY too much money for X, great player but 11 freaking years?
hammerlicious
No way that ages well imo
VonPurpleHayes
The years keep the AAV down. They don’t expect him to be playing well when he’s 41. I’m not shocked at the deal itself, I’m just shocked the Padres made it…they didn’t really need a SS.
Ryan W
SS are usually the most versatile athletes. Now the entire infield will be made of them
Pads Fans
Hadn’t thought about that. Now every infield position and LF will be covered by a guy that started as a SS.
Yankee Clipper
Hey, they were giving someone 11 years and $400MM. XB said yes after the other two said, no. XB said he’d take $280MM though……….according to Heyman.
Rsox
End of an Era. Thanks for everything Xman, good luck in San Diego
YourDreamGM
Padres paying full price for those inflated Fenway stats. Betting on him play a strong ss for many years as well.
damascusj
Whatever, not like he can’t hit in other ballparks too
YourDreamGM
Can’t hit 280 million worth.
VonPurpleHayes
They don’t expect 7 good years. The 11 years is just to lower the AAV. If he’s good for 5-6 years that surplus value makes it all worth it. Still a risk obviously.
acell10
He needs to be better than good to justify that contract though even for 5-6 years which could be asking a lot.
Pads Fans
Petco is not cavernous in LF. 334 down the line and 357 in straightaway LF.
RF is 322 to the corner, that little bump out, and 382 to straightaway RF.
SODOMOJO
SANTA MARIA
D68Soldier
Wow! Interesting to see how the infield lines up now.
nreeves1268
It seems like the Padres are spending money just to spend money. What the hell do they do with Fernando Tatis, Jr.?
Ann Porkins
Maybe they move Tatis to the outfield this year, and they can slide either Tatis or Bogaerts to third if Machado opts out?
VegasSDfan
Tatis plays well in the outfield, he isn’t very good at short
Rsox
To be fair the only thing Tatis seems to be really good at is self-inflicted injuries and punishment
YourDreamGM
Bingo
Rangers29
This is a confusingly huge deal.
emac22
Google inflatiron and then ask your mom how much her bills have gone up.
padsftw
LFGSD
nando390
Padres going to have all short stops on the field pretty soon
Mekias0
Someone was going to take the Padres money. They’ve been throwing it around like it’s scalding hot. Seems a bit desperate. Not sure where Bogaerts will play and who they will trade.
Padres2019ha
Desperate is what cheap teams say.
Deleted Userr
“Desperate is what cheap teams say” is what people with no rizz say.
Padres2019ha
LOLZ I found out what rizz means and I’m not sure what my ability to bang chicks has to do w baseball. But contrary to belief I put the Rizz in your mouth
Deleted Userr
Just out of curiosity do you still think that trading Stammen at the 2017 trade deadline would have prevented the Padres from bringing him back after 2017? Or would have negatively affected what teams were willing to offer Preller for his future trade chips?
slam761
Not that I’m doubting this, but are we really trusting Heyman? Come on.
myaccount2
Considering he wasn’t even first, yes.
User 3663041837
This is a zesty pickup for the Padres.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Do you think they expect Manny to opt out after next year?
Padres2019ha
Nah they’ll pay him 40 mil a year next ha
Deleted Userr
This, girl is on fireeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
YourDreamGM
Good chance. This contract only makes him want to more.
Deleted Userr
I mean looking at what these other dudes are getting, most of whom are about the same age as Manny, opting out seems like a no brainer if he is healthy and productive in 2023.
Henry Silvestre
They are all getting less than Manny’s $30mil per.. soooo? 5/150 opt in still > AAV than Turner..Arenado and Xander .. not an easy opt out.. and if he wants more years I am sure his best Peter Siedler will add the 3 or 4 yrs necessary to keep him in San Diego
Deleted Userr
Machado already demonstrated a preference for term/total guarantee over AAV the first time he was a free agent and he has more to gain from a longer term contract at 31 than he did at 26.
bluejays92
Had a feeling that he’d wind up there. Always felt that he was very underrated. Boston fans are going to miss him and I think Padres fans will be very pleased with their new guy. That infield is going to be scary good.
Ronk325
Another miss for the Red Sox. What a shame
roiste
It sucks, but that is an incredibly dumb contract for Xander. Like, completely irrational. I don’t like that he’s gone, but knowing that THAT’S what he left for, I really can’t get angry about it
Ronk325
It’s an overpay no doubt, but the Red Sox had time to work out a new deal with Xander while he was still with them. It’s a failure on the Red Sox part for allowing him to hit the open market
Samuel
Ronk325;
Please…..
Scott Boras wasn’t going to allow an upper tier client to work out a contract before he hit free agency and had competing bids.
GASoxFan
Ronk – you’re right and Samuel is wrong.
He forgets that Bogey overrode boras on the last contract, told him what he wanted, and what to do. The only concession Bogey made to boras was to let him negotiate in the opt out.
I wonder if bloom hadn’t come to town if he would’ve used it? At the time Bogey didn’t even want the opt out, just went for the ride.
Man has bloom screwed up this team.
YourDreamGM
They dodged a bullet on this one.
acell10
A part of me wants to be mad about this but I can’t. 11 years is insane. I don’t blame Xander for taking and it and I sure as hell don’t blame sox for not offering it.
SODOMOJO
BREAKING: Money doesn’t matter in San Diego
Padres2019ha
Only thing breaking is the bank, and maybe the Red Sox hearts
SODOMOJO
SD is alright by me: we lived in Oceanside for a couple years when I was a kid. Great memories at Seaus restaurant on football Sundays. Kevin Brown, Hoffman in the series. Those were great teams with Boch
StreakingBlue
Breaking… SD got a new credit line from Vito “fingers” Guido. Got a sweetheart deal at 30% interest.
bryan c
Nor does consistent winning, apparently
Pads Fans
Padres have made it to the NLDS or beyond 2 of the last 3 seasons. How many times have the Mets made it?
bryan c
Wow! What success!!!! I mean they played a few extra games a few times ever in franchise history. What a joke you are. Success is winning routinely. They are light years behind the Dodgers. Finished nearly 20 games back last year. Is that success to you? You are pathetic if that is your used of successful. A few wild card games and a couple dismissals in round two. You must be the next Steven Jobs with that vision. I’m bored with you. Check the other comments. Seems I’m the one in the majority. Don’t get upset when you read this after school today.
websoulsurfer
The Padres did beat the Dodgers in the playoffs? I wasn’t imagining that was I? Right after they beat the Mets I believe.
Since it seems that you are a Mets fan I have a question. Do the Mets win in the playoffs routinely?
Because I only see the one loss in the WC to the Padres last season while the Padres were making it to the NLDS in 2020 and NLCS in 2022. Which means the Padres actually had to win some games in the playoffs unlike the Mets.
BranAust
Wtf are the Padres doing? Feels like they are lacking strategy. Will spend big money on practically anyone.
bhambrave
Tatis going to the outfield?
JockStrap
Red Sox fans here…I’ve been saying money is not the issue he wanted years instead. The sox were ready to pony up the money but on a 4 or 5 yr deal. Best of luck as a Padre & thank you for your service.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
They better move Devers before the same thing happens.
GASoxFan
Should’ve moved Devers 2 offseasons ago. Bloom had no intention of fielding a competitive team, and two years of control that would’ve brought a massive haul of elite mlb ready prospects was wasted
CravenMoorehead
The Friars got that Vatican money
PhanaticDuck26
“Batting second and playing Center Field for your San Diego Padres….. Carlos Correa!”
Gwynning
Sweet haircut and tan, Craven. I barely recognized ya
Samuel
L O L
Moneyballer
Padres the Yankees of the west coast!
Dustyslambchops23
I now have the feeling the Sox are going to land Correa
alwaysgo4two
Probably not. The SS market is nuts and he’s now going to want similar money.
Bryzzo2016
Nope, Giants or Cubs. The real winner with this ridiculous Bogarts contract is gonna be Swanson.
Pads Fans
Correa to the Giants and Swanson to the Cubs.
Brew’88
Both Correa and Swanson to Pads, DH and 1b primarily, but first they need to pick up Senga and Rodon
websoulsurfer
I guess if you have that many positions tied up long term you don’t have to worry about draft picks for a while.
GASoxFan
Please God no.
PulledaBloom
I get it. You know Bloom is completely illogical and you are banking on that with your comment.
With Mayer a year or three away Bloom needs him to showcase how great his drafting is. I don’t see anything but a temp SS in Story..
Also, Bloom would rather get six below average guys for the money he would spend on Correa!!
GASoxFan
Pulled – Correa is a bad move for many reasons, and, Swanson will take a massive overpay if he desperately turns there.
No, I see some weird patchwork coming. Ideally you put someone like Iggy there and preserve story’s injury prone form and arm from having to be a SS. At least at 2B he was a decent fit last season. You don’t want ANOTHER 2b hole, and, we don’t want to watch more bloom reclamation stink up the joint.
Cam
Huge overpay. Especially considering they already have a really good shortstop at a good price, who’s keeping out another really good shortstop by the name of Tatis. There’s lots of ways to spend $280mil, and this is one of the worst ones.
Hired Gun 23
I have a feeling a trade is coming. I mean I dig spending the cash for the flash but come on…this is getting wild. Who would take Tatis, if he is the one traded?
implant
@Hired. Angels
Hired Gun 23
I heard that at the trade deadline. But would new owners really want to empty the cupboard for Tatis?
Deleted Userr
Everyone
Scrambley
Fernando has full no-trade protection up through 2028. After that he can block 13 teams annually. If he doesn’t want to leave SD he’s not getting traded.
Padres2019ha
Thanks, who are you?
Col_chestbridge
My assumption is that the Padres are going for the Dodgers model where you need lots of depth and positional flexibility. Cronenworth, Tatis, and Kim getting moved around, at the very least they have competent depth in case one is injured.
Eguy Rosario probably gets blocked super hard by this.
Zerbs63
This is not the Dodgers model. Dodgers use their farm system to build a core and use their farm to trade for a position of need. When they can’t trade for a position of need they use short term term big contracts.
StreakingBlue
Or in few cases pay for high character guys that you can build on (Mookie & Freeman).
Pads Fans
You missed the point. It doesn’t matter how you get to that level of positional flexibility, just that you get there.
Last season, of the top 13 in PA, only Lux, Bellinger and Smith were home grown among position players for the Dodgers. Freeman, both Turners, Muncy, Betts, Taylor, Barnes, Alberto, and Gallo all came from outside the organization.
VonPurpleHayes
The Dodgers don’t give 11 year deals.
User 401527550
That’s weird. Betts has a twelve year contract.
VonPurpleHayes
12 is not 11. So I’m technically right. Haha.
Point is, the Dodgers, like the Mets, tend to give short-term deals outside of their big piece (Betts, Lindor). The Padres are giving big deals to everyone, and already have a lot of money on the books for the next 4-5 years.
User 401527550
They aren’t even over the luxury tax yet.
Rsox
As a general rule you are correct. It’s why Mookie Betts is in RF for the Dodgers and not Bryce Harper
emac22
Bill James talked decades ago about building with guys up the middle who can move to the corners instead of corner guys who simply play themselves off the diamond completely as their skills deteriorate.
This is where the Yankees have been such complete failures under Cashman and why they can’t win until he leaves.
Samuel
emac22;
Bill James talked about that decades ago? Wow!
Branch Rickey believed in that over a century ago.
I don’t care for the Yankees or Mr. Cashman; but if your haven’t noticed that’s exactly what he’s been doing since he finally fired Rothschild and brought in an up-to-date pitching coach 3 years
ago.
VonPurpleHayes
Wowza. I didn’t see this one coming.
LosPobres1904
Woah! It’s getting expensive out there
BeansforJesus
What is happening this off-season?
emac22
They owners got their new CBA and the big new media contracts are about to kick in.
Investing in your business shouldn’t be a strange concept and overpaying for the cherry on top is the cost of doing business right.
Try hard Cubs fan 2
Correa getting 341.1 million lol
YourDreamGM
With his perceived negative marketability, 2 teams already filling their needs, dodgers rulling him out, and other teams already spending a lot he could be a “bargain”. *Not at 341.1 million.
StreakingBlue
If Giants are bidding against themselves as can’t picture another team that would pay too much over $300 mil. Perhaps Twins, but they would be dumb to pay what they can’t afford.
Pads Fans
Twins already made a 10 year offer over $300 million and it was not enough. Doubt Correa does that unless he has a higher offer in hand.
Padres have proven that teams like the Twins that are in a bigger market can afford to spend more.
Try hard Cubs fan 2
Yeah probably so, but it’s gotta be over 300 million easy
Try hard Cubs fan 2
Cubs better sign Correa or Swanson
CheeseHeadPadre
This basically guarantees Tatis to the outfield, and could very much be insurance for if Machado opts out at the end of this year. Becomes X to 3B with Kim staying at SS afterwards. He could be used at 2B this year. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Cronenworth ends up being moved in a deal now that he’s getting squeezed out. Using him at 1B simply isn’t a good use of resources, even with the shift getting banned. You’re wasting a lot of his value by putting him there. This is quite unexpected, but they needed someone who could rake and X fits the bill, wherever he ends up playing.
Padres2019ha
A .275 hitter w 25 bombs and elite D at 1B…I’ll take it.
But who knows he could be on the move for a sluggers. Can never assume anything w Preller amirite
Brew’88
This guarantees Jackson Merrill gets traded
Padres2019ha
Why? He’s years away and Preller obviously LOVES middle infielders
Deleted Userr
Not 11 years away
Padres2019ha
No but Kim isnt either face palm
Brew’88
Huh? Preller just traded a top 10 prospect MI?
Deleted Userr
Padres2019ha got no rizz
Padres2019ha
What’s rizz? I’m not hip to 12 yr old lingo
Deleted Userr
Something you don’t have
Padres2019ha
Gargle
My
Rizz
Deleted Userr
Don’t
Play
For
That
Team
StreakingBlue
I get the Machado opt out thing, but he is a cancer not sure how much higher he will get and from who besides Padres.
Deleted Userr
According to WHO is Machado a cancer? Certainly not anyone who collects a paycheck from Peter Seidler.
PhanaticDuck26
We stopped listening to the World Health Organization back in 2020. Come on man, keep up.
emac22
Most of us decided to stay on Earth.
OldSaltUSNR
Machado is cancer to the Dodgers. Kicks their ass. Didn’t perform when he was traded to them.
Ergo, the Dodger fan considers him to be a cancer to every team in the MLB..
Same thing for those ragging on Tatis. If AJ Preller put Tatis on the market, the 15 or so teams who could afford him would all be burning up his phone lines. (Half of the rest would be overspending to try and get him.).
On point, I don’t know if Machado opts out, either. If the Marlins actually look like they’re ready to make a move, and were willing to pay his price (assuming he could determine that), I’d say it’s likely he’d opt out to finish his career at home in Miami. He loves San Diego, but Miami will always be home.
In any case, Preller just stacked the deck in case he can’t resign Soto (or he knows internally, that Soto will never agree to an extension), or Machado opts out. That’s the DOWN side. The up side is that he finds a way to keep them all, maybe most of the stars perform, and the Padres are perpetually competitive, the next half dozen years or so.
How do they pay for it? News flash: Seidler has put up the stake money, and is reinvesting every cent of an increasingly larger Padre’s purse. Dodger fans ought to recognize that formula. O’Malley, Seidler’s uncle, did much the same thing to build the Dodgers. Build a winning baseball team, build a winning brand, reap huge, long term rewards.
Deleted Userr
2.7 WAR in 66 games as a Dodger. That’s a 6.6 WAR pace extrapolated over a full season. Manny performed awesomely as a Dodger. And they had to play a game 163 to take the division title even WITH his contributions.
OldSaltUSNR
I agree thelegendaryharambe. I was citing the attitude I get from most Dodger fans, about Manny. The rap is that Machado was a slouch in L.A., then took a huge contract with the Dodgers rivals. Ergo, he’s a bum to most of them.
Manny is one of the least appreciated, flat out studs, stars, in the majors. He got a bad rap on a couple of plays back in Baltimore, when he was (a) arguably still young, and (b) the question of whether what he did was intentional, is still valid. Just like those hating on Tatis, Jr.. It’s got more with their style, and what they can do to the opposition, than about these players themselves.
That said, I’m old-school baseball. I wasn’t crazy about the Latin guys machismo style in the dugout, the dancing and open displays, when the Pads were doing it. I understood it, but I didn’t agree with it. I also don’t hate them for it, the way some of these guys commenting in here, apparently do.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Streaking-He’s been beloved since joining the Padres. Seems to have really grown up.
Samuel
tippin;
He grew up because he looked at Tatis and saw thjat was what he was becoming…..going backwards.
Deleted Userr
How is Crone “getting squeezed out?”
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Cheese-Completely agree. Preller said earlier tonight that he’s looking at trading for a 1B..but trades are harder to put together. I could totally see a deal involving Cronenworth, Merrill, etc for a 1B. They still need a DH too..which makes me wonder if a 1 or two year deal for JD Martinez would be a fit. Personally, I’d be happy with bringing back Drury, and moving him around..but mainly having him DH though. We’ll see..
BaseballisLife
Trades usually don’t start to happen until the Winter Meeting is over and most of the big FA are off the board.
I think the bigger question is who the heck do they have that they can trade for a 1B and why do it at all.
Brew88
They could bring back Myers!
BaseballisLife
Probably be very cheap. Would he cost less than JD Martinez or the guy they traded for last deadline, Drury?
The other question is what do they do with Kim in that case? That guy is elite on defense. Supersub?
Deleted Userr
Haha acting like you don’t know the Padres traded for Drury and referring to Kim as “that guy” like you aren’t “Pads Fans” posting from a burner account.
Padres2019ha
You.would.know.Ryan.
Deleted Userr
Yeah everyone knows Pads Fans, BaseballisLife and websoulsurfer are the same guy. Probably even you know it. And that’s saying something.
Deleted Userr
Only.people.with.no.rizz.talk.like.this.
Deleted Userr
@CheeseHeadPadre Looks like someone forget to tell Cronenworth he was “getting squeezed out” LOL!
JayRyder
Wow what a Bad Move !
tstats
Is prellers next move trading for Devers to man 1sr?
HankHollywood
Trades for Devers and plugs him in at batboy.
Samuel
Epic!
Haven’t seen this sort of thing since the Yankees traded for Stanton and that team was stacked!
Doug Jones
dougdeb
Funny Padres still trying to buy a pennant. Didn’t you learn anything with Hosmer?
Padres2019ha
Yes don’t sign light hitting 1B to long contracts. But that misfire doesn’t seem to be hindering them
Deleted Userr
That awkward moment when you defended the Hosmer signing when it happened.
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/padres-to-sign-eric-hos…
Padres2019ha
Liking your own comment again from your other screen name…pathetic
Deleted Userr
I only have one screen name. This one. It is enough. And everyone saw you defending the Hosmer signing as well as your other bad takes. You just have to live with that.
Padres2019ha
No I don’t think anyone cares or has time other than you to scroll for an hour to find a 4 year old articles.
Answer me this
How many screen names have you had? I’ll bet you don’t answer
Deleted Userr
If you have even a kindergarten level understanding of Google it takes 10 seconds to find. But judging by the rest of your comments idk why I expected that from you.
Padres2019ha
LOLZ GOOGLE MY ARS
Hosmer signing showed the rest of the baseball world we were willing to pay or overpay for players unlike the past. Guess it doesn’t matter now cuz look, where we are chump.
Deleted Userr
The Padres would objectively be looking better for the future, both short and long-term, if they never signed Hosmer. “Showing the rest of the baseball world we are willing to overpay” means nothing.
Padres2019ha
Answer the question about your w teen names or never reply again. This will not end well for you
Deleted Userr
Address your Wil Myers for Noah Syndergaard trade proposals and claim that the Padres HAVE to trade for good players first to be able to sign them later on. This will not end well for you.
emac22
You didn’t learn the lesson the Red Sox fans learned?
Just give up and start complaining. It’s much cheaper.
Pads Fans
Are you seriously trying to conflate the Hosmer signing with Bogaerts? Your jealousy is showing.
bryan c
LOL. Appears I have to eat crow. I said I assume less than 11 years and $300 million to anyone other than the Padres. Congrats Preller. You made Dombrowski look like a skilled negotiator. Holy cow this is amazingly stupid. The last thing they needed was to triple down on cutting the farm and sign another lengthy deal but it’s a position of strength for them as as. Wow. I wonder why they never won a title.
Phillies fans – I formally apologize for calling the Turner and Walker deals bad.
Judge I understand if you trade Soto to restock. A SS? For 11 years? And $280 million. Not named Correa? Or Turner? I’m flabbergasted. Oh boy. Thank you. Had a rough day with work a surgery recovery and needed this laugh.
Padres2019ha
Brain surgery it appears. Get well soon!
bryan c
So clever. Sinus surgery. If you think 11 years for the fourth (at best) option at SS when you literally have no farm and two guys making $300m is good then I have to question which of us is suffering from brain issues. Bless your heart Padres fan! Nothing like loving a Brown and yella team that never, ever wins
VonPurpleHayes
Xander is better than Swanson. 3rd best option IMO.
bryan c
Fair enough debate. Close enough I can’t argue. But $280 over 11? Ugh – Lee
emac22
What’s your point?
They should have given up because prices got to high to improve the team?
If the farm is weak and you didn’t win the world series how in the world do you council them not to pay what it takes to get the best player they can get???
Even worse, how do you ignore the needs of a playoff team because you fear the 2030 payroll situation?
bryan c
Try again. They should go for it this year with subtle enhancements and they trade to restock either way. Not lock into 11 years of running the same team on out there expecting that it somehow makes them a sustainable winner. Look all around the league – teams that succeed so not hand out multiple long term deals at huge dollars. The Braves May finally be the exception to that rule because they locked up 21-24 year olds as opposed to paying a good, not amazing, short stop nearly $300 million until age 42. This isn’t hard. You will never resign Soto so get what you can back in return.
Brew88
my wife says I snore too
StreakingBlue
I would offer 11 years to someone like Soto. Not a 30 year old player who plays a speed position.
PhanaticDuck26
Guys be signing Bobby Bonilla contracts and nothing’s even deferred. Crazy!
Pads Fans
Soto will be 25 when he becomes a FA. He will be looking for 12-14 years at $35+ AAV if he continues to produce at 140 or better OPS+. Could be a $500 million contract the way things are going.
emac22
That’s not even relevant.
The question is if you would spend what thru spent to improve the team or give up because of your fear for the 2030’s.
Would you really have stood pat if that was the option?
bryan c
100 hundred percent I would have stood pat last year and not turned my team from a top 5 farm system to a bottom five for Soto, Drury, Hader and Bell. It was clearly a win now but the team is as 15 games behind the Dodger, Braves and Mets at the time. The then played poorly for a month, followed by average for another. Getting a little hot in the playoffs is cool. The Phillies got hotter and were arguably no where near as talented. Baseball is a very hard sport to win a title due to hit streaks of this nature. But they lost. It didn’t work. It’s fine, because Bell and Drury gone is no huge issue. Still a good team. Apparently Preller thought a championship caliber team. Adding Bogaerts does not move the needle very much for this team. 11 year of adding him is being laughed at by hundreds of us. Not sure what you see that makes you like it that all of us are missing but hey, I don’t have to walk in your shoes. You lost everything in your inventory to try to win it all last year or this. Either outcome is fine as long as you prepare for 2024. You do that best by swallowing your pride and trading your best chip because otherwise it will take 5-10 years to build back that farm.
Try watching analysts some time. Many said this same logic last year immediately following the trade. Best way to maximize it is realize he will hit the open market so go all in short term and then recoup what you can
Deleted Userr
Why would they trade Soto not even 6 months after acquiring him? They aren’t getting back half of what they gave up for him if they trade him now!
bryan c
He is not resigning there. Zero chance. They destroyed a #1 farm system. The most important part of running a successful business is realizing a bad decision and fixing it. I would have advised running back a talented but flawed team this year and hope to catch lightening in a bottle like the Phil’s did this year and to a lesser extent the Braves the year before and then trade in the off-season between 23 and 24 to put something of value in the farm. If they don’t trade the only tradeable contract on their team they need 5-6 years of bullseye drafts to get back into contention all while paying and aging Machado Xander and a wild card Tatis $100M per year or so.
Deleted Userr
Who besides you says he isn’t re-signing with the Padres? And why does it matter? He wasn’t traded for with signing him in mind. He was traded for because he is controlled through 2024 with or without an extension and the Padres are trying to win a title in those years. And on top of all that trading Soto just opens up another hole on the diamond. If trading for Soto wasn’t a bad decision then it’s not a bad decision now.
bryan c
Like everyone. Literally every single person with a brain. He will go to free agency. The Padres now have three $300m (close enough) contracts on the books. The Dodgers, Mets and Yankees will have massive payroll flexibility when he hits FA status. They is absolutely zero chance. I will bet anything you like on that right now. Zero. No way. Unless he sucks….. then I take it all back. But there is almost zero chance he will suck long term. So yea, everyone can see simply that big market clubs have positioned quite well to land guys like Ohtani and Soto rather than 11 years of Bogaerts
Deleted Userr
You ignored the second half of my question. Why does it matter if Soto extends or not? They control him through 2024 (which is basically the rest of their window) even with no extension and an extension never seemed all that bloody likely in the first place so if that was a problem for the Padres he never would have been traded for in the first place.
bryan c
It doesn’t matter. That’s why I ignored it because it had no substance. The team killed its farm and now committed $80M per year to three players for the next 11. The only chance to stay relevant in five years (likely less) is to restock the farm or pay $400M to field a team. Soto is out now because it’s just not realistic to land a fourth contract of that size without annual penalties and no real way to duck back under without skimping everywhere else. As a Mets fan, this is the exact situation we have now but the difference is a true business man stepped in and committed short deals while maintaining a strengthening farm so they can rest and compete annually. If they don’t win this year or next and he leaves you gutted the future for absolutely nothing. Winning is hard. Ask the back to back 105 win plus Dodgers. Ask the 101 win Braves and Mets from last year. With the added wild card team the playoffs are a total crapshoot and the Padre window is severely narrowed without trading their best chip to restock. Just humble observations that I think hold some merit
Deleted Userr
You see, the real reason you ignored it is because it completely invalidates your argument. If what you’re saying were true it would have been true 5 months ago. Probably even moreso than it is today. And the Padres STILL sold their whole farm for Soto. They’re not going to trade him now for 40 cents on the dollar. They are pot committed to the current window and Soto is as big a piece of that window as any.
bryan c
What the heck are you talking about? Fine I will play. It’s a a stupid trade to give up a top ten farm for a rental that was having an off year and has made clear he will test the market. It doesn’t matter to me if they trade him or not because I like to watch mediocre teams fail. However, my argument is quite sound. If you want to compete perennially you need a farm system or a series of short and smart contracts. The Padres went for it last year and it largely blew up in their face until they got “hot” in the playoffs only to fall short against an even more flawed team. Trading the level of talent they did to go for it should have always been a plan to go for it in 22 & 23 and trade him before 24. Preller is not a smart man. I doubt he trades him and his fans, like you, will celebrate chasing the Dodgers and then getting left out in the cold with three aging expensive players. To decide not to roll the team back out there and to triple down on super long contracts is foolhardy. Tatis broke both wrists riding a bike and cheated with PEDs. Cmon man. Was that really a good investment? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Any fool that thought getting Soto was anything more than a two year window was misguided.
emac22
Worst advice I’ve even seen.
Be embarrassed.
Preferring a farm system over a HOF player completely misses the fact that this is MLB and not MILB.
bryan c
Preferring a sustainable winning formula over one year of a potential HOF player is the new definition of insanity. I hope you are not a business owner or a manager for one in any way. You fall more into the world needs ditch diggers too category
Deleted Userr
Again. I never said Soto would sign an extension nor care. The Padres are trying to win now and Soto has two more years of arb. Scott Boras can’t do anything about that. Whether or not trading all that prospect capital for him in the first place was a good idea is a whole nother debate. But I’ll tell you what’s not going to happen. The Padres are not going to flip him not even 6 months after trading for him when they would only get back like 40% of what they gave up to get him. That would be the definition of stupidity.
bryan c
Have you seriously never traded in a used car? You get the best out of it, then you prefer a shiny new toy and you trade it in for less than you paid for it. If they want to be relevant in the future as well as now, they need to make a decision. Yesterday kind of put them in a corner, no? Nearly $100M committed payroll annually for the next 7 -10 years for three players – two that will age poorly and one that got pinched for PEDs abuse already after carelessly getting injured and absolutely NOTHING in the minors waiting to offset some of that burden. They can fix some of it by “going for it” this year and getting SOMETHING back for Soto after trading their entire future for him to watch him walk away. I get it. We disagree. IMy approach is a business first one – like the Dodgers, Braves, Yankees and (finally) the Mets under Cohen are doing. Smart short investments with a big add here and there when needed (Judge, Betts, Olsen, Lindor). You prefer spending every cent in your pocket and hoping that one lottery ticket hits. Those other teams can buy a new ticket every year because they didnt mortgage the future.
Deleted Userr
Padres are trying to go for it in 2024 too. They don’t have a “shiny new toy” that they like better than Soto and certainly none that will help them more in 2024 than he will. A championship will always always ALWAYS be worth more than “getting something” for a guy, even if the Padres do end up losing Soto for a measly draft pick 2 years from now. Teams lose good players to free agency all the time. Hell, this article is about the Red Sox losing Xander Bogaerts. Again, they did not acquire Soto to “flip” him. They acquired him to “use” him.
If the Padres cared about being relevant in the future they would not have traded for Soto in the first place. They want to win now. You don’t have to agree. You don’t have to like it. But you do have to understand.
No we do not disagree. You’re just wrong.
bryan c
Cool story. I think time will show I’m not. The Dodgers kick their rear ends for fun every year. The model is proven already. The Braves let Freeman walk and replaced him with a cheaper and arguably better option long term. It would seem the perennial winners would side with me here. But if you feel better thinking you’ve won, more power to you. As a business leader for a living that has been incredibly successful I think I will stick to my way of thinking regardless of your juvenile mic drop
Deleted Userr
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure you’re a successful business leader.
It’s clear to me that you never would have traded for Soto in the first place. And that’s fine. I don’t even necessarily disagree there. But the Padres are pot committed to the current window and they aren’t getting anything for Soto that will help them more in their current window than Soto.
And the Braves should have kept Freddie Freeman when you consider the price they had to pay in both $ AND prospects for Matt Olson.
bryan c
Bless your heart. Don’t forget your meds.
Brew88
@bryan c. No interest in arguing about the merits of the Soto trade, it happened. But do you really believe the Pads (as smart business practice) should now trade Soto before end of 24 season? Seidler/Preller only gave up what they did to extend him long term and build the team around him, not to give him a short-term cameo. They will do that or they wont. But I agree with the gorilla, it makes no sense to trade Soto before end of 2024 season, they would get little of value in such a trade, and I’m guessing the team will be competing for playoffs in 24, so discussing trading Soto before those playoffs, at this point in time, seems ungrounded..
Deleted Userr
Ad hominems are the last resort of someone who knows they are losing an argument, So is it reasonable to conclude that you admit that you were wrong then?
bryan c
Yea I truly believe the strategy for a winning formula long term would be to ride Soto in 2023 and flip him after regardless of results this year to maximize the return if he is not going to resign. You don’t let your valuables walk for nothing. I mean that would have been a smart plan but when signing the third or fourth best SS to an 11 year deal and being salary strapped for the next seven years they obviously don’t care about the future. The problem is the window is now incredibly short – 2 years. And it’s not like there aren’t other really good teams including the Dodgers who have owned them for years. My point is getting a return would go a long way toward being relevant in 2025. If they are content to roll the dice for two years and then fall into mediocrity with a barren farm, aging pitchers and the possibility of Tatis making another head case bad decision, let them eat cake. I don’t care personally as I find the Padres to be a sad organization and their fans are even worse. I am just fine sitting back and laughing watching them play catch up to their Dodger daddies while actually falling further and further behind. Dodgers lost Seaver and Turner in back to back years. They have Lux to replace the position and signed Freddie Freeman to ease that burden. What will the Padres do when this doesn’t work?
bryan c
No. You throw insults at me and call me a liar. You are simply not worth a second more of my time. Grow up. The gorilla has been irrelevant for years just like you
bryan c
I mean the Dodgers and Yankees and Braves are all pretty consistently competitive no? They all do the exact opposite of what Preller is doing. Tick Tock. The window is closing
Brew’88
I’d prefer less than a second, thanks
Padres2019ha
Ryan/Harambe this is what you do every.single.time.
Mocking him as a “successful business owner” and all. You got nothing. Good day girl
Padres2019ha
Lol that is true Bryan.
Deleted Userr
Bruh. If the Padres wanted a “winning formula long-term” do you honestly think they would have sold off their entire farm system right when they were on the verge of contributing at the major league level? That is not something a team with a long-term sustainable formula does. But it is what Preller did. He’s not going to backtrack on that by flipping Soto later on. And he doesn’t care if Soto re-signs either. If he did he would have made the trade contingent on an extension, like what the Reds did when they traded for Sonny Gray or the Blue Jays with R. A. Dickey. And you absolutely let your valuables walk for nothing. This article is about the Red Sox doing EXACTLY THAT with Xander Bogaerts. When you are in win-now mode, good players being free agents comes with the territory.
Deleted Userr
The Dodgers, Yankees and Braves most certainly don’t trade Soto type players in the middle of their windows, which is what you are advocating for the Padres to do. I understand that you don’t like that the Padres traded for him but you are not the GM. A. J. Preller is.
I guarantee you Juan Soto will be a Padre through 2024 at least. And you will be hearing from me when it happens.
Deleted Userr
The Padres aren’t going to be relevant in 2025 no matter what they do so might as well be as relevant as possible in 2023 and 2024. I would have liked to see Preller turn that top farm system into a sustainable long-term contender but clearly that isn’t his style.
Padres2019ha
Cept he keeps re supplying so within said window we’ll be back as a top farm.
Deleted Userr
If you really believe that, I got some nice beachfront property for sale in the Jamul area if you’re interested.
Padres2019ha
Padres won’t be relevant in 2025. Ok Ryan I guess we’ll have to re visit this jeen yuhs comment w a quick google search in 2 years 24 days LOLZ
Deleted Userr
Hey dude. This site has been hella glitchy since the most recent update. Ask your uncle Tim to fix it yeah?
Padres2019ha
@Emac you must be new here harambe has no shame and multiple accounts. He is a fraud
Padres2019ha
Just stop. Only one wrong here is you Ryan
Padres2019ha
Oh you’re from NorCal makes hella sense. Go find a friend and banish yourself
Deleted Userr
So did you ask your uncle Tim to fix it?
Deleted Userr
Do you just not realize that Emac agreed with me here? He was disagreeing with bryan c who I was arguing against because he is campaigning for the Padres to trade Juan Soto in the middle of their window.
Deleted Userr
For someone who is (allegedly) 40 I’d expect better takes from you.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Completely normal behavior. Just because you’re a billionaire doesn’t mean you know anything about money. I don’t blame AJ Preller for this Ludicrous-Ness, he’s just taking the Monopoly Money handed to him and tossing it about willy-nilly. There are no words left to describe the whacked out twilight zone that is the 2022/23 off-season.
OldSaltUSNR
” Just because you’re a billionaire doesn’t mean you know anything about money.”
You’re talking about Peter Seidler. Do you know anything about him? A..N.Y.T.H.I.N.G at all? Try looking up his name on Google, and find out how he made his money. It wasn’t inherited. He’s good at making money, and is still making lots of it.
He also comes from a baseball family. Ever hear of the name O’Malley?
You’re login name reflects your post. I didn’t say it. You said it in what you posted.
Educate yourself a bit, before disparaging someone you know nothing about.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Completely fair. When it comes to thinking about billionaires, I often forget they are an entirely different species of human from us, when it comes to any sort of frame of reference. For instance, I mistakenly assume if a guy owns a baseball team, then that would be his primary focus & center of attention. (It would be if I owned a team.) But on the contrary, in all likelihood the MLB franchise is just one of MANY investment vehicles he oversees; and not a high priority one in that. I can’t even fathom what that must be like. SMH.
emac22
Yes. $15 an hour obviously gave you a much deeper understanding of economics!
bryan c
Says the guy that wants one year of a HOF player over a restocked farm club, shorter term deals and and a sustainable future. Preach Warren Buffet. LOL
Brew’88
At least the dirty sox have Hosmer
Bryzzo2016
Seems desperate but this team has never won a ring. At least they are pushing all their chips in for their fans. Hopefully for them it ends better than it did last year after giving up the farm for Soto and Bell.
StreakingBlue
The team will probably be all hyped up winning the NL West, and blow it in the playoffs.
PhanaticDuck26
uuuuh isn’t that exactly what just happened to your Dodgers?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
11 year commitment to a 30 year old SS is ridiculous. Then again, I have an 11 year commitment to the ketchup and mustard I bought from COSTCO.
all in the suit that you wear
LOL
StreakingBlue
I wonder what Correa and Swanson are going to get now 11 or 12 years $300 mil as starting point. No wonder Dodgers are quiet.
OldSaltUSNR
I got that deal, too. Dang! I mean, what’s a guy gonna do with 220 cases of Costco ketchup and mustard?! I kind of overdid that “prepping” thingy, I guess. 🙂
Pads Fans
The point is not that its 11 years. No one gives a rats patootie what happens the last few years of a long term deal.
Its the $25.5 million AAV that matters. That is what allows you to sign top players and still fill your roster while not breaking the top CBT thresholds.
This is the same as the deal for Turner with the Phillies. Its all about that AAV.
In the last week, everyone predicted that Bogaerts would get $30 million AAV for 6-8 years. The Padres got him for $25.5 million AAV.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I think the more important thing is that I have one container of mustard and another of ketchup that is going to take 11 years to finish. I might have to will it to someone if I die. Takers?
Jacksson13
Have the Padres learned NOTHING from the Eric Hosmer & Will Myers contracts???
PhanaticDuck26
you can’t let two bonehead mistakes prevent you from making two more–that’s just crazy!
emac22
Did you think the lesson was to be cheap?
The lesson was don’t invest in bad players on the corners.
They learned it very well.
Oppo Taco
Correa should get at least $325.
bryan c
Arguably, based on Turner and Xander deals, he should ask for 15 years and $400 million. No one should pay it of course and Dombrowski and Preller are out leaving it impossible. He likely ends up making less than these two just because there are no more idiots to offer more
VonPurpleHayes
Correa is getting a big deal. Watch.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
And don’t forget, good pitching always beats good hitting, so loading up your lineup with all these very talented hitters will not guarantee you anything.
Pads Fans
Darvish, Musgrove, and Snell line up favorably with the top 3 in nearly any teams rotation.
You also have to remember that its December 7th, not opening day. I don’t think Preller is done.
emac22
Darn!
Are you sure? I was told this guaranteed a title for them!
Brew’88
If they don’t add one or two quality SP, then they won’t likely have improved themselves this offseason
baseballpun
The Padres are dumb.
Datashark
30 + 11 = 41 wow…Padres are going to scuffling in a few years when ageism hits.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
And there are still Padres fans who think it was smart to give Suarez a 5 year extension
bryan c
Wait. He turns 42 on October 1, 2034. Technically to age 42! It’s too funny
Pads Fans
The deal is through his age 40 season. Still old in baseball, but its not 41.
Scrambley
@Pads Fans: On October 1, 2034, when he should be playing his last regular season game of this contract, Xander will turn 42. He was born October 1, 1992.
Scrambley
My comment is wrong and I can’t delete it. Lame.
Samuel
Close the books on any big name free agent signing long-term with the Giants if he wants to make the playoffs.
Mekias0
Someday in the next few years the Padres will be completely out of money with no farm system and a bunch of aging stars. Will they go like the Angels and try to sell the team at that point?
Padres2019ha
I hope not I havent had this much fun as a Padre fan since ever
emac22
No. It’s called rebuilding. You can look it up.
bryan c
Not someday. 4-5 years from now at the latest. Mush rove is the only pitcher I believe they can rely on. Snell is a five innings guy that gets lit up at least once a month and Darvish is aging. They have zero in the minors other than Mayer. This is win this year or next or bust situation and it shockingly clear to nearly everyone that doesn’t have “pads” in their user name
Brew88
Ownership will keep spending, they’re having fun. And in MLB, teams willing to spend win, as is attested by 14 of the last 15 WS winners being in top 8 payrolls. So sure, a lot of the present roster will be gone in 4-5 years and the team will simply reload, undaunted by the envy of fans from teams with owners reluctant to engage in such fun. My team for example.
websoulsurfer
Teams that make deep runs in the playoffs add large amounts of money to their revenue stream. Then they can spend more money. So they can make more money by going back to the playoffs.
GoldenJabs
Red Sox fans should not be upset with this signing. That contract is insane.
He’s 30yrs old right now, contract will be till he’s 41.
Pads Fans
Math seems to be a hard thing for people on this board.
Bogaerts turned 30 in October. In 2023 Bogaerts will be playing in his age 30 season and won’t turn 31 until after the regular season ends.
That means the last season of this deal he will be in his age 40 season all year. He doesn’t turn 41 until after the regular season ends.
bkwalker510
he got about as far away from boston as you can get lol. can’t blame him
GoldenJabs
wtf this dude is 30 yrs old! Contract till he’s 41, hahaha good luck with that contract mess.
Edp007
With GM meetings on the west coast , gotta love the late night moves. Into the middle of the east coast night with signings.
mikesciosciastragicillness
Boo
Thec’s
I can’t give him 11 years at 280 million! If I am spending that then I am going after Correa! That’s insane! They offfered Judge 400 million!
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
ROFL
Catuli Carl
JED!!!
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
Boy Padres really don’t want to resign Soto do they hahahaha?
YourDreamGM
I wouldn’t want to give him over half a billion either.
bryan c
In all honesty they never had a chance. If they were smart they would have plugged some holes and ran that team back out there hoping for another playoff berth and then trade Soto next offseason to restock the now barren farm. Even if they do that now, they have three $280+M contracts that will age poorly and another loooooong decade of dog days of last place coming
emac22
Wow! What kind of loser gives up instead of signing this contract? That’s pathetic.
bryan c
Every other MLB team. Every single one. Offer XB in trade for nothing but salary relief to every club right now and you are lucky to get an offer to pay half. This was the dumbest signing I have literally ever seen in baseball history. 11 years and $280M for not close to the best available player at his position on the current market because they got spurned by better players. Don’t offer contracts while angry that no one liked you.
Brew88
dude, you’re sounding seriously burdened. I know Preller lives in a lot of heads but your case is gliobastomic.
bryan c
Preller is a joke. Anyone can throw around money. He threw stupid money. Stupid. Cohen threw around money but will have significant flexibility in two years. Smart vs sloppy is a choice I guess
Brew’88
The loooong 8 year deal for Nimmo musta caused ya to poo your pants then
Elviplatinum
Sad to see Xman go, but Redsox already got his best years and the soxs have a stud SS in the minors that will be up faster than most think. I personaly think Padres overpaid heavy for a good player. Yes, Xman is good, but he isn’t a superstar.
mils100
Honestly, this contract is ok. A GM does not care about the length. They care about winning in the next few years. Preller wont be the GM in 2033 anyways. Plus 28m now is what 20 m in 11 years?
The guy most likely will be quite good for most of this contract as he is a pure hitter, can easily move to 3b or even 1b and if he isnt good in 2028 and beyond, so what?
The padres are a small market team that is trying to win a title in the next few years. Paying him 280 or 220 doesnt matter. They are trying to win now and if he stinks later, theyll deal w it then amd this amount wont cripple anybody.
terrymesmer
None of these super=long contracts work out. None.
mils100
Scherzer, Kershaw, Arod, Votto, Trout, Cabrera.
Free agency cost is 30-40 pct premium and at that same amount in terms of years.
If Boagerts is an all star for the next 5 years, he earns this contract. The rest is irrelevant.
Also, the time value of money matters here. He isnt being paid 280m in today’s dollars either. Zach Eflin gets 13m now, 28 million in 10 years will be a number 3 starter.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
You’re grasping at straws here. Kershaw, Arod, Trout, and Miggy original contracts signed in their mid-20s (and 3 of those were extensions) Bogaerts is 30. Big difference. And nice how you failed to acknowledge the second contracts of 2 of those players. Plus who in the hell thinks Votto worked out at $22.5M each year from 2014 to present?
Kershaw signs one year contracts now. Trout could very well be on his way to bad contract territory with his injury issues. The only real anomaly and possibly the greatest free agent deal to anyone over 30 is Mad Max.
mils100
Votto had 3 awesome years and was good most of the rest of the time until last year. It worked out fine.
The thing at its core, and ill leave at this, is it is not your money or mone and the length doesnt matter. If you think he will be very good for 5 years and then be jason heyward of 2022, he is worth this deal considering you have to overpay in this market. Theyll figure it out then. And if he really should have gotten 220, it just doesnt matter.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
$22.5M good? You’re high. 8 seasons so far (I’m not counting 2020 for obvious reasons) and he was underpaid for 3 years. Arguably paid just right for 2 other seasons. The other 3 + next season? And never even had a playoff appearance, except again, for that fake 2020 season. I don’t know how from an economic standpoint you can argue that was a good contract, and to a first baseman, unless you’re a real fan of Joey Votto and you’re trying to fool yourself. No one thinks Bogaerts will be “very good” for 5 years. He’s arguably already in decline compared to his last few seasons. However you try to spin it, it just reeks of desperation
Pads Fans
Except for all the ones that did and are doing so now.
Arod twice. Jeter. and at least a dozen others. Harper and Machado sure are so far.
VegasSDfan
Why worry about long term commitments its not our money. Obviously, the Padres are well off.
emac22
Yeah sure. That’s why small market teams always win the series.
Brew88
One could easily argue that Betts and Machado LT contracts have worked out well.
bryan c
Free advice – do not go into sales. This is a horrible take. He will likely be bad come year 5 of 11. And slowly trending that way from here to year 5. No possible way to spin a contract that goes to age 42 (October 1 2034) for what most would consider to be the worst of a strong SS class.
mils100
I dont understand why years 8-11 matter. Padres dont care either. They want to win now and in the next 5 years. Nobody in the Padres org is thinking he will be a core player at 40 because they dont care.
Free agency is not where a player gets exactly what they are worth. You pay a premium in dollars and length to get the guy.
acell10
there’s a good chance that within the next 5 years that contract could be terrible especially if/when he has to move off shortstop.
bryan c
Well, for five to six years you will have a below average guy making $25M a year while also paying an aged Machado $30M and Tatis $upper twenties. Too tired to look up actual Tatis figure but that’s throwing away $75-80 million of space with a barren farm system. That means, much like the Mets are seeing this year, you need to be prepared to shell out $330-325M (likely much more in five years) to keep up and that’s assuming you are smart enough to only lock in to two year deals while having some talent in the minors to step in. This a crazy mortgaging of the future on a position that was already well covered while in a division with the preeminent best team at putting a winner out year over year and the NLEast becoming increasingly strong. Bad timing. Bad future plan. Call it a steal for a few years all you want but I’ve seen this story before.
websoulsurfer
You know what free advice is worth?
VonPurpleHayes
Agreed. The years are a smokescreen to lower the AAV. The idea is that the AAV will be a bargain for the remainder of his prime years, so much so that the backend will just be like deffered money. It’s not a horrible contract with the ways salaries are inflating on a weekly basis. Judge is making around 10mm more a year for example. Why it’s surprising to me is that I didn’t think the Padres needed another SS, and I felt they could spend elsewhere. Still,this definitely makes them better.
VonPurpleHayes
*yearly basis not weekly lol Geez that would be bad if they were going up that fast
mils100
I would have a real issue w that! At its core, nobody can really wrap their head around this amount of money.
mils100
That may be true. Must think Tatis’s injury means he has to be in the outfield now. My guess is they arent done either.
However, what this team needs most is for Soto to be Soto. If he is, I mean this lineup is incredible.
websoulsurfer
Looking at thee posts, not many people get that. The Padres just stole Bogaerts. They don’t care about how he plays in year 7-11. By then inflation will have made his $25.5 million AAV easy to write off.
They signed Bogaerts because they want to make a deep run in the playoffs the next couple of seasons and possibly win a WS. They know the value of those deep playoff runs in terms of revenue created. It’s a large amount of money.
If there is a WS appearance in there and another NLCS its $200-$250 million to the team over those 2 seasons. We know from the Braves that a WS win tacks another $100 million to that total.
They would make “ONLY” $150-200 million if its 2 NLCS appearances without a WS appearance.
Deep playoff runs are pure gold to a team’s bottom line.
Brew’88
@ soul surfer, by nobody of course you’re referring to the young Mets guy bryan c. Well articulated VonPurps.
kingbum
I love Bogey and wish him the best, but I’m glad the Sox did not get roped into an 11 year deal for him. Now if I’m Boston I’m asking Preller about Tatis,Jr.
SaintChris
Tatis Jr–the chronically injured steroid user with a 14-year contract?
kingbum
I forgot his contract was 14 years, that’s a career…..I still like that contract over Bogey’s because he’s still young. We are the land of second chances, he did his suspension and that’s that as far as I’m concerned. He does it again it then becomes a problem….
OldSaltUSNR
Yep, you’re right. If Preller put Tatis on the trade block tomorrow, literally NO other team in the majors, would attempt to trade, to bring Tatis on board. Including your own.
/end sarcasm
PS: By the way, try to keep up. Tatis had his wrist and shoulder surgically repaired. What other “chronic” injuries has he had, other than a pulled muscle from doing the splits on one of his impossible defensive plays that no other infielder could make? Also, what authority do you cite that would indicate that Tatis is a chronic steroid user? He’s been tested regularly, before the latest pop. Don’t mind me if I don’t hang around to read the post you’ll never make, with that evidence.
VonPurpleHayes
To be fair, if you get caught cheating once, why would anyone not assume they were cheating the entire time?
Samuel
OldSaltUSNR;
I don’t think there’s a team in MLB that will touch Tatis, let alone trade something for him.
The contract is outrageous. The man has 12 years coming, and the contract is backloaded. Think an owner can hold his breath for 12 years?
The only market he has is for those people that go to stock car races to see a crash. Even talking about the guy is something one sees in a bad movie. This is Kyrie Irving on steroids….literally.
Deleted Userrr
Even the Pirates would trade for Tatis if they had the chance
OldSaltUSNR
Well, that’s because MLB has a regular testing protocol, and Tatis has passed every, single time, previously. That’s why.
Also, he’s an endomorph, i.e. not a bulked up roid user. He’s muscular, but not bulky. He doesn’t have the neckline of most chronic steroid users. Plus, he’s only 24 years old.
Lots of reasons why one would not expect that he was a chronic roid user.
Samuel
jimthegoat;
No
Deleted Userrr
Samuel;
Yes
Samuel
OldSaltUSNR;
Let’s cut the crap…..
He’s a very talented athlete.
He’s also immature, dumb, irresponsible, unstable, accountable to no one, and unreliable. Even Preller blew up during the testing thing saying that he was sick of being lied to.
The overgrown kid’s a nightmare. No MLB owner is going to get involved with someone like that – don’t care if he hits 80 HR’s a year and bats .500. Every day they’ll be waiting for the unthinkable to drop, and their only hope will be that the Commissioners Office will step in and help them. And don’t think the other team owners will be happy about the Commissions office having to do that.
SaintChris
I didn’t realize you had such a crush on the kid, Salt.
Let’s be real: Calling Tatis “chronically injured” is pretty fare. He’s NEVER made it through an entire season at the major league level healthy, never played a full season.
There’s a lot of different ways to pass a drug test. Have you ever heard of a wizz-anator? For all we know, Tatis could have been juicing the entire time. Who really knows?
Despite your love affair with the kid, he’s not quite as valuable as he seems. Couple his seemingly negative clubhouse presence with his injury history, steroid use, and monster contract, and his trade value probably isn’t that great.
Pads Fans
You do know that any cover up agent is also something MLB tests for and is something MLB players would get suspended for?
You do know that when MLB does its tests, that the players don’t just go in a bathroom and fill a bottle, right? There is a person standing in front of them watching them pee in that bottle. No Whizzinator possible.
Tatis played 59 of 60 games in 2020. That is an entire season, albeit a short one. Not his fault MLB only played 60 games. He was healthy the whole year. Then he played 130 of 162 in 2021. That is more than 80% of the games.
Tatis is so good that knowing his injury history, people that are paid to evaluate talent thought it was best to lock him up for 14 years and $341 million.
Brew’88
@ Samuel. Now let’s cut to reality. Yes Tatis is a knuclehead, a mistake prone happy young fella. But let’s be clear, he remains the most dynamic superstar in the game if and when he pulls it together. His talent dwarfs Machado, Soto, etc… and those guys know it. In a full 162 he’d put up numbers not seen since Bonds. So yeah, all his past stupidity aside, If he were a FA his offers would exceed any we’ve seen…. Like it or not.
Samuel
Brew’88;
What you wrote is what was said about Yasiel Puig his first few years.
No doubt the Padres went after SS’s because they knew they
couldn’t depend on him….and they know him best.
Don’t think for a moment that there weren’t things covered up the past few years. We – the public – doesn’t know a fraction of what goes on.
And Barry Bonds was a cheater.
Deleted Userrr
Was one of the things that got covered up his involvement with Bauer’s girl?
SaintChris
Those same evaluators that gave Tatis the 14-year contract ALSO thought giving Eric Hosmer a monster deal was for the best.
Those same evaluators just gave a 30-year-old, glove-first shortstop an 11-year deal.
You talk about them like they’re not idiots, when they very clearly are.
Brew88
Puig was never progged to ave 8.5 WAR/BA 290/30 SB/50HR/160 OBS+, and never actually did that. Tatis on the other hand, well, those are his ACTUAL 600 AB averages over his injury-riddled career to date (and those were Bonds numbers BEFORE he started cheating).. At age 24 he’s probably going to get better, especially with off-season surgery to strengthen his shoulder? I’m not saying all teams would jump at the chance to sign him, but if he’s available, the top offer will be extraordinary. A risk for sure, but that’s reality of the game today.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
I’ll take Tatis at 14 over Bogaerts at 11 even if Tatis were a free agent today. Hah hope he brings those ‘roids with him to help any of his teammates should they ever have a case of “ringworm” too
Samuel
All they need now is Rodon.
Samuel
Wish Scott Boras could have represented me.
AndyWarpath
If they’re moving their ss to the of, this is basically the equivalent of signing an outfielder, right? Why on earth would you sign an 11 year, 280m deal for a 5 WAR “outfielder” when there’s literally a 4 WAR actual outfielder available for, maybe, 5 year, 100m in Brandon Nimmo? I know this isn’t apples to oranges here, but not accounting for positional value is absurd. Makes me think of Joe Mauer’s value evaporating once he moved to 1b.
Bruin1012
He’s not been signed to play outfield at least not initially they signed Xander to play shortstop.
AndyWarpath
Yes I’m aware of that. But his presence pushes Tatis to LF. Why pay all the extra money to get a new ss and get your old ss to play lf when they could have just signed a left fielder for half the price?
Pads Fans
Bogaerts is getting $25.5 million AAV. So you are saying Nimmo will sign for less than $12.75 million AAV?
I don’t think Nimmo will sign for less than $20 million AAV in this market.
So far Bogaerts has been a much more reliable player than Nimmo. Over the past 6 seasons Nimmo has played in 576 games and Bogaerts 789. They will both play the 2023 season at age 30
AndyWarpath
Comparable yearly salaries, half the year commitment.
websoulsurfer
Nimmo is not a comparable player. He has played about 70% of the games Bogaerts has played, Nommo’s 16.9 WAR over the 6 years you two were discussing is only 2/3 of Bogaerts 25.6 WAR.
Nimmo deserves a little over half the AAV that Bogaerts will get and instead he will be paid a similar AAV over 6-7 years. That makes Nimmo a bad value comparatively.
Brew’88
@ Andy the plan before this signing was for Tatis to play OF and Kim at SS. So Bogey doesn’t bump Jr, he complicates things for Kim though. But I think we all need to wait to see what actually happens with the positions, They still will need to acquire an OF and 1B/DH.
Fg-3
The Red Sox just let Devers go as well wow
ClevelandSteelEngines
Padres are Mr. Leslie Chow
FrontOfficeStan
I’m so confused.
TDR
.750 OPS away from Fenway and going to Petco is a little concerning. Hopefully it translates.
Curveball1984
Yeah, he definitely won’t be jacking it in San Diego.
bigdaddyhacks
So stupid.
BEATNGU
San Diego has been here done that and traded away talent, when they tried to go all in before. It’s only a matter of time before ownership gets bored and blows it up again. Now we can really see who is buying talent for future rings.
SaintChris
The second half of that contract is going to be really rough.
pando8888
Respect Judge more! Stayed wit organization that made him instead of selling out for $400m. Wow how. San Diego is so desperate!
Bruin1012
Wow as a Red Sox fan love Xander but that contacts crazy. I don’t blame Bloom and the Red Sox to pass on that one and I don’t think any sane rational Red Sox fans will either. I’m happy for Xander San Diego has given him a contract he couldn’t refuse so I don’t blame Xander.
The Red Sox now need to pivot it’s time to decide whether to pivot to Swansby or go with Story at short and Arroyo at second. If they go the latter they should be serious contenders for Rodon or to continue to upgrade pitching.
GASoxFan
Both options are bad, get a cheap proven SS like Iglesias, leave the rest of the IF alone, for God’s sake don’t touch rodon, swanson or correa, and, fire bloom
B4Pilgrams
The length of the deal is to lower the annual yearly payment. He will play 9 years before the deal looks bad
sufferforsnakes
Guaranteed to not age well.
Joe It All
In the long run, could all these big contracts bite the Padres in the rear? Sure, that will happen at some point down the road but I’m not going to criticize it. Padres fans get to watch 162 extra all star games a year. They should sell out every game they play with that collection of talent. Good for you Padres fans, you have an exciting ball club to watch and as a baseball fan, I’m envious of the star power your team has.
GO1962
The Padres display generosity. They will pay Xander for his best years, that he had with the Red Sox. .
Bright Side
“It’s a stunning development, with the four-time All-Star leaving the only organization he’s ever known to join the Padres on a staggering commitment.”
Stunning? He a Boras client. It’s par for the course. Bogaerts recently turned 30, was at the 35th percentile in avg exit velo for 2022, and hit significantly better in Fenway than on the road. Padres are idiots.
PinstripedPride
Whoa!!! Did not see this happening! I mean, the Padres were chasing everyone but they weren’t landing anyone… Til now. So much for Boston and Bogaerts being “deep in discussions”.
So many big trades and signings by Preller. Seriously, what’s in the water in San Diego?
dvmin98
Fish tacos. Always fish tacos.
Shawn W.
Literally. Fish from the sea.
Bright Side
That said, kudos to Boras, He got the Padres to fall for his song and dance routine.
Deleted Userr
Just like he did with Hosmer eh?
Joshy
All because tatis had an infection and a motorcycle accidents
Yankee Clipper
Insane amount of years/money for XB for what the expectations were… then again, this whole market has been crazy.
I love seeing the Padres go for it like this, man. And getting XB, who will remain a good hitter even after his fielding declines, will add to an already-super stout lineup. They’re going to be an offensive juggernaut if everyone stays healthy next year.
Pads fans have to be excited for this. Plus, a true professional. XB plays the game right, has a great attitude and will be the consummate baseball
representative for the younger players.
cpdpoet
Clipper his bat will age well…and with the bizarre uncertainty of Tatis/Machado opt out….not a bad deal. At 27per even better….
Yankee Clipper
I agree. It’s long, the back end will be ugly, but the reality is that in just a few years $27M AAV will be comparatively low. I look at it this way: right now the QO is already over $20MM for 2023 just from these Winter Meetings signings.
Within a few years, especially with Ohtani, Murakami, and Soto going to FA, you’re looking at substantial agreements that will eclipse Judge’s contract. In five years Xander will only be a few million over the QO….. that’s nothing, relatively speaking.
I agree, man. Look, SD wants to win now. Xander may or may not be terrible in years 6-11, but if they’re winning in years 1-6, is anyone in Pads Nation really going to care? My guess is, no, especially if it brings home a WS. They have a great player, a fan favorite, and a key contributor who just made the Padres a whole lot better for at least the next five years.
RobM
A bit curious to see what Bogaerts does away from Fenway, a park made for his swing. His career batting away from Fenway is ok, but nothing spectacular: .271–.338–.420. His career OPS is approximately 120 points higher at home. That’s over a decade, so it’s not a small sample size. He’s a HOFer at home, something much less on the road. Not saying he’ll overall regress to his road stats in San Diego, but it’s worth watching. It’s been an under reported part of his evaluation.
Yankee Clipper
Interesting observation. Be watching that for sure.
Brew88
@RobM. I haven’t followed him closely, but one concerning stat on Bogaerts is that his groundball rate has increased and is now way above league average. That doesn’t play well in Fenway for slug stats, but then again, probably doesn’t play well anywhere. I wonder if rule changes on infield shift will help him a bit though.
King Floch
AJ Preller is so dumb lmfao.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Padres fans: Would your rather have Judge for $400M/10 or this?
Pads Fans
Bogaerts at $25.5 million AAV or Judge at $40 million AAV? I am going with Bogaerts.
Shawn W.
this
1 more year, $120 million less
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Ridiculous
BigGarg
11 years! For a guy already on decline. Unbelievable. These teams just can’t help themselves.
Bruin1012
I’m just curious why do you think he is already in decline? According to fangraphs he just had his most valuable season according to WAR and his defense was the best it’s ever been at short sure doesn’t sound like a declining player to me. At least not at this point.
Cooperdooper7
Bogaerts stats for 2023…..
2.85 average 17 Homers, 78 RBI
15 to 20 errors not to mention the balls he doesn’t get to based on the elimination of the shifts.
Thats year 1 … wait that will repeat for 3 or 4 years…. years 6-11 there will be a massive decline to the point where the last few years he will be a part time player or just released..
Thank You Chaim and the Red Sox ownership for not going there…. I don’t agree with alot of what you are doing…. but this one you got right.
I felt the same way when Ellsbury signed with the Yanks… I was right then and mark my words I am right again…… by the way… Bogey is my favorite player…. but I can see past that… facts are facts
Pads Fans
Decline? His OPS+, WAR, and defensive metrics got better in 2022. He will decline in the future, but starting at a 5.8 WAR and 131 OPS+ at $25.5 million AAV that is fine. Easy to live with for the 5-6 years he should still be very good.
dvmin98
5 WAR decline…take that any day of the week. LOL. Another dumb take.
Bosox2013
For the love of god Red Sox do not sign Swanson. Just trade Devers and throw in the towel and rebuild.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Then why sign Jansen… followed by Yoshida?
GASoxFan
Jansen was a response to the continued and oppressive reporting all last season on how bloom never built a bullpen.
Yoshi was a desperation play after leaving negotiations with boras and knowing the face of the franchise, a kid with the org since he was 16 beloved by the fans and a homegrown star was being cut loose, along with immense mismanagement of his whole contract situation in an epic manner.
Read this:
masslive.com/redsox/2022/12/red-sox-flubbed-xander-bogaerts-talks-from-start-even-if-they-were-smart-not-to-match-padres.html
So, they spent on an overhyped Japanese player of similar age and similar salary, but, unproven against superior mlb pitching and defensive questionmarks. Major ones. Hoping a shiny toy would deflect the criticism over blowing things with the face of the franchise and another homegrown star. Again. For the second time in 3 years.
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s a reoccurring theme with the RS it appears. I remember when Clemens, Boggs, and Mo Vaughn left disgruntled as free agents and themselves taking out full-page newspaper ads thanking RS fans. Vaughn wasn’t any good after leaving.
Brew88
A lot of guys underperformed going to RS too. Most recently T. Story
James A.
Welcome to Boston Dansby 10 years 150
Bruin1012
Going to take a lot more then that maybe 10/210 the contracts are insane this year.
PulledaBloom
James – No way. Mayer is Bloom’s ONE blue chip player. He’s the future at SS whether he’s good enough or not. Bloom will simply spin him as great like he did Kike, Paxton, Downs and others.
Story has SS until Mayer is ready. Bloom won’t impact his BLUE CHIP guy.
bubs13
It’s great to be a Padres fan these days! Exciting stuff happening!
StreakingBlue
Here is all this spending, and baseball is still struggling overall attracting viewers.
Pads Fans
Baseball had record revenue and they only struggled slightly to find viewers on broadcast TV. On streaming their viewership is exploding.
los_leebos
Not gonna be easy filling X Nady’s shoes as the greatest Padre whose name starts with an X.
Deleted Userr
@los_leebos Nice catch
99socalfrc
LOL. This makes no sense, and as Padres fan I don’t see the fit.
But
Screw it, get the checkbook out and let it eat Uncle Peter.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Padres signing more stars meanwhile the Giants signed Joc and Haniger.
Diamondbacks are going to be the third best team in that division. Giants are getting passed up this year
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
Just completely f*** the Red Sox. I’m officially done with this team
Poster formerly known as . . .
Oh, now . . . you don’t mean that.
If Yoshida starts popping balls over the bullpen, you’ll be right there chanting, “Go, Sawx!”
Poster formerly known as . . .
Twice in one day I was wrong: I thought Judge would go to San Francisco and I sorta, kinda thought the Yankees might sign Bogaerts.
I don’t know how Pads and Sox fans feel about Xander’s choice, but I’d have loved to have him in the Bronx. He’s one of the best pure hitters on the planet, IMO.
Folks in San Diego should be delighted.
OldSaltUSNR
re: “Folks in San Diego should be delighted.”
Actually, a bunch of us are scared. Padre fans have seen fire sales over the years. Even though we know Seidler is the real deal, and that’s unlikely to happen, there IS a whole lot of cash on the table, huge risks would could harm the team for years, if multiple contracts go south.
However, a lot of people only remember the times Preller lost on deals. He makes a WHOLE lot of deals, and signings, and they all aren’t going to work out. I hated the Hosmer signing from the start. I was real concerned about the Clevinger trade, and in fact, it was largely a bust for the Padres. Same thing with the trade that sent Ty France to Seattle. However, that’s Preller’s job, not mine, and he’s got a whole lot more talent and experience than I do, at assessing deals. He’s also not a “Gunslinger” (like the late Kevin Towers). He has a process, he depends on substantial input, and has certain goals. He wins more than he loses, but again, fans (Padres and for other teams) will forget the good stuff pretty quickly, and never forget the mistakes.
Finally, I’ve written this before. I think the Padres are going to say “to heck with the luxury tax” for a few more years, i.e. just pay it and build the team up to compete in the NL West. Remember when the blew through all the International trade stop signs, and had a couple of penalty years after that. The considered it just part of doing business.
The same applies to the big money they’re spending now. We don’t understand it, but the Padres owners and front office, has a plan. I have little doubt that they’ll make Soto a legitimate offer. Can’t guarantee that he’ll sign it, i.e. he and Boras may be committed to free agency come what may, just like Turner wanted to go East (presumably, for family reasons). However, Preller will put the cash on the table in front of Soto.
Deleted Userr
Preller loses 10x more than he wins
OldSaltUSNR
Then why does he still have a job?
Deleted Userr
Cronyism
Brew88
@harambe Not true, they were well above .500 last season and were a few bad bounces away from WS
Padres2019ha
big words from a small dude LOLZ
Padres2019ha
Go ahead make a list of all his trades and get back to us Ryan
Deleted Userr
You sound like you’re 5’ nothing
Padres2019ha
Did you just use my joke against me? Slow clap. But I bet you’ve never even had the clap cuz you have no rizzzz
Deleted Userr
Not “your” joke. Others have used it before you. And most likely on you.
And I thought your comment from 2 days ago was a new low but now according to you having the clap is a good thing?
coup
Oh, I am. Baseball is fun in San Diego!
PadreB2011
Hell, yeah!!! Let’s Go Padres!!! AJ, let’s get Rodon or Senga, Drury and extend Soto!
iRiE-G
Why is everyone saying that it’s a bad deal for 11 years? Trea turner will be 40 when his contract is up. Don’t see anyone trolling that deal. LFG SAN DIEGO!!
acell10
people were trolling it pretty hard. Also (as much as I love Xander) Turner is a better all around player.
Cincyfan85
Both deals are stupid.
99socalfrc
They obvious expect Machado to opt out, and that he will go elsewhere.
Probably means no long term deal with Soto either.
Not sure that’s a great outcome
Jimbo_Jones
I wouldn’t couple any of those situations. Soto still has a bit to prove and Machado may opt out but I wouldn’t be surprised if the contract is renegotiated. Keep in mind the Pads have expressed interest in extending Darvis. Uncle Pete isn’t scared
YankeesBleacherCreature
If Machado puts up his typical seasonal stats, he’s opting out of the $160M remaining. At 31, another 10+ year deal (for the sake of AAV) on the open market isn’t out of the question. His only FA competition is Rafael Devers with Matt Chapman distantly behind those two.
I don’t know what else Soto has to prove. He was a 5.6 bWAR player and had an OPS+ of 149 in a down year.
Jimbo_Jones
Soto’s production in SD was beyond sad
Cincyfan85
Some of the deals this off-season are incredibly stupid. I just don’t understand what teams are thinking signing guys for so many years. This one especially takes the cake.
PadreB2011
Heck yeah! Let’s Go Padres! AJ, how about signing Rodon or Senga, Drury and extend Soto?!?
urnuts
About 5 years too long.
Any contract over 6 years is too long and 6 years is pushing it. These deals never work out. Too bad the players union is so strong as contracts after 5 should not be guaranteed.
I’m an Angels and Padres fan, Albert Pujols contract was an anchor.
Jimbo_Jones
Kim gets traded with Eguy maybe Campasano too for a pitcher or a 1B. Pads look towards Devers if they get a pitcher via trade
Jimbo_Jones
A starter of course
baseballpun
Cards need a SS but I don’t know who would go the other way. Flaherty maybe.
Jimbo_Jones
Dude is injured so often he might as well not occupy a spot
Pads Fans
Padres sign Senga. No draft picks attached. Then they trade some fluff for a 1B/DH or just sign someone like JD Martinez or Brandon Drury.
88dodgers
Well I’ll be dammed, these guys never want to see us on top anymore.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
SOO ignorant of them to ignore your birth rite.
Blue Dude
I trust our organizaion
ibuititnoonecame
As a Red Sox fan I have no problem with this. He wa here long enough he won rings. He has 3 maybe prime years left lol 11 years 280 million is horrible thank god the Sox didn’t do this now lock up Devers the Pads just saved our asses from a big time mistake……
kreckert
Overpay. Apparently SD has grown desperate for a signing.
ArianaGrandSlam
Who is he going to re-unite in Pardes?
Lyman Bostock
Does he even want to play until he’s 41 lol
sergefunction
This is like giving Juan Soto 20 years, $900M.
So, what’s next? Peter Seidler signing Juan Soto to exactly that?
What the heck. Make it 20 years, $1B. Go for it.
This all somehow makes sense because Seidler is very smart and has deep MLB family roots. But I don’t see how.
theo13919
Some day, some time, likely near 2028- 2030, the then San Diego GM, which will not be Preller, will state ” once we get passed these long term contracts of Bogaerts and Tatis, which I did not agree to, and which are holding the team hostage, we can better spend the resources that will available to us on more realistic contract lengths and move the team forward”
Jimbo_Jones
If there’s a WS Championship out of it then WTFC. Let’s get it!
jimbobsjorts
Not getting a WS without another 2 or 3 legit pitchers. And I’ve no idea where they’ll come from. There surely can’t be any more money for Senga, and the farm is hardly brimming. Whatever the plan is, I can’t work it out, and from here it looks utterly insane.
PulledaBloom
Start with a billionaire. Find an industry like baseball where the big market teams make over $250MM annually with the NY and LA franchises being far greater. Now look at the CAP on payroll and how much does a billionaire get hurt by bringing big names to his team and running his payroll $50MM over the cap?
NY, LA, now SD all have it figured out. Keep your fans happy. Over spend and give yourself a chance at winning a ring. Dombrowski has explained it to the owners in Philadelphia and they have bought in. This is the world of professional sports.
LA, NY and SD won’t be LOSING money because of long contracts that over pay players. They will simply make less than they would have and gain the advantage of having their team in the news for being highly competitive.
Boston has chosen the opposite direction. They had a championship team and have tossed it aside and the devastation of the fan base will catch up with them at some point but by then they will have parlayed their huge earnings into other sports teams and can spin off the Red Sox organization at a huge profit. How messed up is that for the fans?
Don’t laugh at owners who over spend, root for one to buy your favorite team. It’s a lot more fun to have a competitive team rather than one that goes from a RING to the cellar in three short years.
baseballguru
PHEW! As a Redsox Fan I didn’t want Bogey at more than 6 or 7 years at 23aav…an 11-year, $280 million deal with the Padres at 30 years old is insane, He won’t be a SS in 3 years, HRs dropped to 17! Can’t hit a decent slider away. Huge Overpay there! DODGED A BULLET REDSOX NATION! Now go pay Correa & Devers & We’re Solid!
Rbase
I think the Padres are banking on Machado opting out and eventually moving him over to 3B. Not a bad plan. They’re really going all in for this season, but they’re gonna be stuck with some long contracts that could turn sour after some time.
emac22
Way to plan ahead and avoid the ups and downs of world series wins and rebuilds.
Just stick with a wild card run every year instead so you never have to take any risks.
Rishi
The amount of years are absurd this offseason. I love the player but 11 years is a lot. The money is also a ton. I don’t think he’s worth it but contracts will surely get higher throughout course of the deal. If I’m paying this much it’s gotta be for an A+ offensive contributor who is a complete game changer. I don’t think Bogaerts is that, despite being a great player.
Rishi
The Padres seem too eager to spend a ton of money on a player. Its a good offseason for that as there are very solid players available who are going to be great for another decade perhaps. But since they offered so much to do many players they are likely just bidding for any big piece and not as much on the particular player they have singled out. But he’s a great player so I’m not sure how relevant that is.
Rishi
*so* not do
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Another consideration is how many total games can we expect Machado, Soto, Xander, and Tatis to be in the lineup all healthy at the same time. And that could even be baked into the calculations; Boegarts was a depth move more than anything and cover for when/if Machado bolts next off-season much like Trevor Story was insurance last year for if/when Xander leaves/left Boston like what just came to pass. Hmmmm, maybe this wasn’t such an egregious move like I previously thought.
Carl W.
Wow….I mean I wanted Xander to join my team (Twins) but 11 years?? 5-6 years yes plz. 11 nope, no way, not interested.
Ron Hayes
Whiffed on Turner, whiffed on Judge. Desperate as eff signing lol.. guess not much hope held for Tatis or Kim.
hopper15
Tatis is going to pout in the outfield.
DarrenDreifortsContract
They are definitely getting rid of Tatis the first opportunity they get.
AL34
If Bloom had acted better last offseason he could have had Bogaerts a lot cheaper than that and for less years. Don’t tell me that Story is better or is going to be a great replacement. Story is a Coors Field hitter who is has been on the decline for the last 3 years. The minute Bogaerts went to free agency he was going to be more expensive. Great going Bloom!
DarrenDreifortsContract
I’m curious to see how long this big spending will last. I’m assuming if the Padres don’t win a world series in the next few years they will be having a fire sale and going back to their old ways.
emac22
Inflation always reverses.
Not!
Learn to cope or get left behind. Our economic system is built on inflation. Investing is a good thing. Taking risks is part of that.
AL34
Now Bloom will be in panic mode to sign someone to take the sting out of losing Bogaerts. I am tired of seeing this crap in Boston. The jerked around Johnny Damon in 2006 and lost him, jerked around Lester and lost him, jerked around Betts and traded him for 50 cents on the dollar to take Price off our hands , and now Bogaerts. Bloom jerked him around last year when he could have signed him a lot cheaper than this. We never hang on to our players anymore. He will go into the Hall of Fame as a Padre. Bloom is an idiot but Henry is always the guy who has the final say.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They weren’t outbidding the Yankees for Damon
Sabermetric Acolyte
Damon made it very clear he was going for money and had initially demanded more from the Red Sox for an extension than he got in FA. Besides, then yankees ended up regretting that deal.
Stars&Stripes
Excellent signing… especially considering the shift will be gone next season, so having exceptionally athletic infielders will help reduce runs… genius move !!!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I don’t blame Bloom on this one. Paying 11 years is crazy.
Berkner
“All I need is one dumb owner”
-Scott Boras
baseballguru
Very Happy Boston Let Xander Go at 11/280! Smart move ownership! 15HRs 30yrs old He won’t be a SS in 3 years! & Padres will hate how this deal ages! Smart Redsox! If you’re paying that get Correa at 28, Extend Devers, Grab your Ace & a power OF call it an offseason!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They already signed an outfielder
Aaron Sapoznik
Padres keep playing with Monopoly money. Big market White Sox using Play-Doh.
CoachWe
Moronic. They also offered $400m to Judge & and now they offer 11 years to Bogey? I cannot wait to see the GM fired for this bad contract.
top jimmy
This deal will end far worse than their deals with Hosmer and Myers. It’s a huge overpay for a player that doesn’t fit defensively. Very, very stupid acquisition. This move wreaks of panic. Recklessly spending money just because they whiffed on others. This is the same organization that a few months ago was giving away Hosmer and Voit in salary dumps. They have no clear vision of what they’re trying to accomplish. They’re like little children playing fantasy baseball and making every move on a whim.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Padres after anyone really. I think they’re going to see a huge gap between Trea Turner and Xander Bogaerts.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Ya, that’s why they offered Xander nearly $100 million less.
30 Parks
Disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful.
Fire Chaim Bloom.
butch779988
It’s John Henry that’s the problem now….
30 Parks
… and Sam Kennedy.
PulledaBloom
As much as I hate the owners for firing Dombrowski and replacing him with a really bad rookie GM, they’ve given Bloom plenty of money to put a highly competitive team on the field and he has failed miserably in all his personnel choices including manager..
Blame Bloom for the roster and add ownership for hiring Bloom.
GarryHarris
I predicted that the Mets, Tigers and Padres were a sure bet not to acquire on of the SSs via free agency. I don’t know anything.
Brew88
I’m right there with ya GarryHarris!
30 Parks
Spend $90 million on a Japanese league outfielder, but not sign Bogey! Chaim Bloom couldn’t run a two-person picnic, let alone a baseball team.
Public relations. All talk.
Fire Chaim Bloom.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Watching the Red Sox stop using The Red Sox Formula (which actually wins and wins championships) to use The Rays Formula (which has won jack **** in the real world) is pretty wild.
The thing about analytics is when you key in too much of the beginning of the word and stick your head there.
30 Parks
First Don Orsillo, now Bogey – the Sox ineptness is working out for the Padres.
riexpress
There is no defense for Orsillo (at least that the public is aware of)….. there would be rioting in the streets if the Sox signed Bogy for that contract
30 Parks
I understand, Rie. However, the Sox had plenty of time to workout an extension prior to other teams getting involved with XB. Inexcusable.
I miss Don Orsillo.
PulledaBloom
nexpress – First, he would have taken less and second the money isn’t your money so why complain that a ball player is over-paid if he’s producing rings for you? Bogaerts has 2. I believe that’s more than most of the great players available in free agency. I believe your rioting in the streets was a bit over dramatic.
If the Red Sox paid Bogaerts $10MM too much per year for the next 11 years that would mean their profits would be $10MM less but those profits would still be astronomical along with the value of the franchise increasing by winning. An overpay on Bogaerts is lost in the rounding of the profits!!
Now there will be no winning AND no Bogaerts or JD or Devers or Eovaldi or Mookie or Benny or Renfroe or Schwarber. But the good news is we have a slap hitter from Japan that CAN NOT field and he only costs $18MM a year for half a decade while the team recovers from all Bloom’s moves. Great!!
flamingbagofpoop
This isn’t the NBA, single players don’t produce rings for a team (unless they’re a jeweler on the side).
Why do people care about money even though, “it isn’t theirs”? Because those people aren’t ignorant to the idea that teams have budgets and poorly spent money in one place reduces your ability to fill holes in another.
PulledaBloom
Flame – Perfect example of someone who thinks they know how a ball club is run like a family budget. Thanks for being the example I’ve been talking about. The Red Sox aren’t your local store or comparable to a family when it comes to budgeting. Not the big market teams. Marge Schotts yes, the Boston consortium no.
Yes, the Red Sox owners look at foreign investments in other sports teams and use that to constrain the Red Sox payroll but wake up they are making money hand over fist.
If you made 1/3 of a billion a year and you could put a losing team on the field for $100MM and a winning team on the field for $200MM would you give up the extra profits to win? If your answer is NO then you are cheap and shouldn’t own franchises!! If your answer is yes then you are beginning to see why the Yankees for 100 years haven’t given a damn about how much they spend as long as they have a shot at winning.
There are no guarantees in life but the Yankees and other big market teams now realize it’s better for their franchise, their city, their fans and their daily lives if they spend big bucks to give their team a chance.
Thank goodness more teams are figuring out how the industry works. Too bad the Red Sox owners don’t care because they did understand how things worked when they invested wisely for the first two decades to win four rings.
Expand your thought process and think about what it would be like to make 1/3 of a billion a year and how willing you might be to over pay a key employee by $10MM a year if it raises your chances of winning a ring.
fred-3
The dumbest part iis that this includes a full no trade clause. What happens if this doesn’t work out lol
Deleted Userr
NTC is meaningless. The money in the contract is already functionally a NTC.
fred-3
If Cano could be traded, Bogaerts certainty can.
Padres2019ha
Huh? NTC is a big deal for the player. wHy ElSe WoUlD ThEy InClUdE ThEm?
Deleted Userr
Stroke?
Sabermetric Acolyte
For everyone going after Bloom for not getting Bogaerts my response is simple: 11 years. The Padres are paying a premium to go all in and I don’t blame the Red Sox for saying good bye. They failed last year to extend him, ok. But offering a competing 11 year deal would have been ridiculous, it’s those kind of contracts that have screwed the Red Sox in the past
There still better be a different plan B other than Story taking over short..
PulledaBloom
I get that a few over-pays have happened during this ownership’s time frame but in 2018 when Dombrowski paid $165MM for his active players and the ownership paid over $40MM in old bad contracts the team won and ownership made nearly 1/3 of a billion dollars that year.
The Red Sox pockets are very, very deep so over paying only hurts their chances for buying other sports franchises. They aren’t going into bankruptcy any time soon. So why should fans care if a guy makes too much money if the owners can afford it?
You have GREAT homegrown players leaving for a pittance when you consider the big picture. Mookie didn’t have to go, Bogaerts didn’t have to go, heck Schwarber didn’t have to go. Bloom did this and ownership blessed it.
Pay the home grown guys so young Red Sox fans can feel about current ball players like we felt about Williams and Yaz. It’s unfair to this generation of baseball fans to ignore the tradition of having home grown players that they can idolize and see at the ball park for a decade or two. The money is so huge in the industry that fans need to stop worrying about over paying players and start caring about having a winning organization no matter what it costs because ownership still makes a ton of money in Boston!
Cooperdooper7
I could give a **** about the money…… it’s the length of the contract. I commend the Red Sox for not going there…. especially when you have Marcelo Mayer your SS of the future a year away from making an impact. These teams that are paying guys 10 plus year contracts to take guys into their early 40’s are just STUPID. Anyone that thinks this is a good deal for the Padres is delusional.
PulledaBloom
Cooper – The length guarantees he will be the first Red Sox to retire after a career in the uniform since Varitek or whoever was the last to do so.
The Mayer issue you point out is a good one. If Mayer is great and performs better than Bogaerts then you need to move Bogaerts. With all the minor league players like Mayer and Yorke you run a risk of how great they will be. If both are great Bogaerts solves your HUGE 3B problem. If neither is good you still have an excellent SS for many years, especially if Devers moves off 3B and stops impacting all Bogaerts metrics. So keeping Bogaerts and letting Mayer and Yorke prove their value would have worked out.
Will Bogaerts be good at age 40? Maybe not but if you eat the last year to get a 130 OPS+ for 6 to 10 years he’s more than paid for himself. If he fails after a few years, it’s a bad deal. Bogaerts has a clean injury history, has a great work ethic, has no body issues like Devers and has never been a speedster so his SBs won’t fall off that much.
What might happen is his power will improve with age like many players who refocus their batting approach as they age. Who knows, maybe he hit less home runs due to the toxic environment since Mookie and Price got ushered out the door. Maybe it will come back or maybe it won’t.
If Yoshida deserves $18MM as an inept fielder and slap hitter I think the $25MM Bogaerts is getting is more than fair. His value is far greater than Yoshida’s.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
I’m not a Red Sox fan but Chaim is destroying this team. They need to get rid of him before he screws things up with Devers.
Cooperdooper7
RODBECK…. so you think Bloom should have given Bogey 11 years? Really
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Yes, I do.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Chaim inherited a core of Betts, Xander, Devers, Benintendi and Vazquez. The only one left is Devers and now that Xander is gone, Devers is definitely gone.
Red Sox fans should be protesting at Fenway right now for what Chaim’s done to this team.
PulledaBloom
Cooper – RodBeck’s comment doesn’t suggest that. He just stated a very blatant fact – CHAIM BLOOM is DESTROYING THIS TEAM.
That’s all no Bogaerts reference in his comment!!
flamingbagofpoop
So they spent more than half of what they made solely on player payroll? And that was in a year where they were fortunate enough to actually win a WS.
PulledaBloom
Flaming – No clue what your comment meant. In 2018 Boston (Dombrowski) spent around $165MM to field the World Series team.
The team paid over $41MM in mistakes prior to Dombrowski.
Now, here is the most critical piece to this scenario.
Boston’s PROFITS were roughly $330MM that year even after the luxury tax which was under $10MM.
Your numbers are not accurate. Boston not only made a ton of money in 2018 but their franchise value rose significantly and all with Dombrowski staying way under the CAP on CURRENT PLAYERS. The owners ate the $40MM+ and laughed all the way to the bank.
There never has been a critical need to get under the cap. It’s fans who think as small time accountants that suggest there is a problem with spending big in baseball and there are other fans who make up stories about Dombrowski spending over the meaningless CAP line. He didn’t over spend and that is the fact of the matter.. Ownership made mistakes on contracts before he arrived and it reduced their EARNINGS by less than 10% while winning a ring and raising the value of their franchise.
vtbaseball
bloom must be proud today seeing all his lap dogs are hard at work.
etex211
What are the Padres going to do with so many infielders?
RodBecksBurnerAccount
I would say this puts Tatis in the OF or Kim becomes a super UTIL type player.
Deleted Userr
Kim at SS or traded. Next question.
BuyBuyMets
Please, no more whining ever about the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers trying to buy pennants.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
So, now it’s Yankees, Padres or Dodgers. Got it.
PulledaBloom
To be fair, the buy a championship existed from 1919 to 1962 with the Yankees buying half the rings during that era. The non-Yankee big spending is a recent phenomena and it levels the field into tiers rather than having one team way above all the others.
It’s not good for baseball but it’s better than the 1919 to 1962 era.
Silas
Dude, there were very few teams back then, not a good comparison.
Brew88
what about the Phillies and Mets?
gorav114
Did Dansby miss the opportunity to cash in or do these ridiculous contracts for the other 3 SS drive up his price? I think the dance partners left for Dansby are all gonna be cheap in their offers.
fred-3
Dansby isn’t as good as these guys lol
gorav114
Completely agree. That’s the question, does he get way more than he should because he’s last guy left or does he miss out on getting paid decent at all?
flamingbagofpoop
Define decent? Prior to 2022, Dansby was more average – above average than good. Less track record will probably hurt him. I think he probably still gets 9 figures, though. He’d be smart to get an opt out after 2 years. If he continues to be more the 5ish win player than the 2-3 win player, he should still be able to cash in on that @ 30 (31 for the season), apparently.
❤️ MuteButton
This is not the way to turn an organization around. It makes no financial sense. I feel bad for Padre fans and the state of the game.
11 years at age 30?!? You get what you deserve
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
They had to overpay after Turner rejected them. Turner is way better in average WAA, WAR, steals, and overall offensive wow factor.
pmollan
MLB needs a hard cap.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
No.
fearthecub
Padres are still paying Hosmer for his bad contract. Wonder how long until they feel the same way about Bogaerts and dump him elsewhere.
flamingbagofpoop
I think even mid-30’s Bogaerts will have some defensive value, unlike Hosmer, so it’ll be a while until he’s THAT bad…but I’d say this looks bad by ~2027 (assuming he doesn’t have any injuries or anything that derail his career much faster).
Brew88
I doubt the Padres plan to have Bogaerts in their lineup in 10 years? They’re perhaps hoping for 8 years of value at $280 MM, which might not be such a terrible deal. But by signing him to 11 years at $25 MM/year, instead of 8 years at $35 MM/year, they have $10 MM less annually on the salary cap. The bigger problem they face with him is his desire to remain at SS, which doesn’t give them flexibility, just the opposite.
JerseyShoreScore
The current roster of the Dodgers is anything BUT a powerhouse. Even when they have a great roster the Dodgers have finished off a full season championship just ONCE since 1966.
jvent
I’m surprised that they’re still giving out these long deals (11yrs) , not 1 10 year deal has worked out, the Red Sox have a lot of work to do, they signed relief pitchers but who’s starting, playing 2b, catching, only the OF doesn’t need anything. If you need a catcher they can have McCann for free lol.
GarryHarris
This is like a few years ago when the Yankees acquired LeMahieu. I didn’t think they needed another IF but he was used as a super sub instead.
Kim may be the super sub. I think the Padres will acquire a 1B.
Why wouldn’t Juan Soto move to LF? He wasn’t so bad a LF but in RF, he’s not very good.
TJT88
This makes zero sense unless they plan on playing Bogey at DH for the next 11 years. Or they miraculously trade Tatis and/or Kim to free up the position. And we all know nobody is taking Tatis Jr unless the Pads take on a boat load of that contract
coup
Thank you Mr. Peter Seidler. I started as a Padres fan back in 1972 – or maybe a little before – and this kind of generosity from ownership you are showing us has never before been seen in San Diego. It’s exciting to be a Padres fan lately. Thank you again!
PutMeinCoach88
So absurd that ball players with these stats (not that they’re not good, just not elite) get paid so much $ . The past big leaguers missed out on a ton of money in their time. I guess I picked the wrong life path lol should have become a ball player.
CarverAndrews
The mystery of AJ Preller – sinner or saint. Mad genius, or manic child in charge. A real talent for finding young talent, mixed with the shopping mania of a Khardashian on steroids for every big free agent talent out there.
Xander is a happy young man today. Somehow, however, it is hard to foresee that clubhouse turning into a close-knit, well constructed environment that plays to their potential, but I certainly could be wrong.
Cooperdooper7
This is such a bad deal in so many ways…. 11 years…. omg enjoy the last 6 years of that contract…. Good for the Red Sox, your Short Stop of the future will be there soon.
PulledaBloom
Exceptions to the rule…. How many of the recent long term contracts will NOT have OPS+ totals for the length of the contract to cover the cost of the contract?
Face it, the world has changed since Pujols and Miggy and AROD got long term contracts. Guys like Miggy (Devers has a similar body type) didn’t work out due to his lack of discipline when it comes to eating and conditioning. Pujols first contract for 7 years $100MM in 2004 worked out great for STL. There are always exceptions.
If Tom Brady signed a 20 year deal in 2003 his deal would have been absurd but it would have worked out. There is no telling whether a player will maintain his skills for an extended period of time but his discipline, health habits and body structure go a long way to suggesting what will work. Trout is built like a linebacker with speed. That body type looked to be fine at first but he’s not endured like expected. A guy like Mookie who stays in great shape and hits with his wrists like Ernie Banks does have the upside to be good throughout his contract. Yes, he’ll steal fewer bases as he ages but that’s not his main contributing factor to his value.
Will Bogaerts be a 130+ OPS+ for half the contract? Maybe. People doubted Mookie and he’s shown he’s still a 130+ OPS guy. There are about a dozen great hitters in baseball and about another dozen excellent hitters who could qualify for a long term contract and will need to because of their value. You can say don’t do long contracts but that will remove you from competition for the best players in baseball. So the trick is to evaluate the players individually and never use generalizations to pick a player for a long term contract. Know their work ethic, their body type, their personal commitment to staying fit, their family situation and their injury history. Then spend money on as many top 12 guys as you can and let the rest of the roster be complimentary pieces that are interchangeable.
The generalizations about long contracts are made by fans who think of the hugely profitable business of baseball as if it’s their household budget. It’s not. Bad contracts for big market teams are an annoyance not devastating.
flamingbagofpoop
How many times do we need to see even large market teams bargain hunt to fill clear holes due to bloated payroll from under performing players for you to buy these, “generalizations”?
PulledaBloom
Flame – Grand jesture without a single example. Gross generalizations like yours are the arguments presented by those not holding facts.
Also, why do you care if this happens? If a player is paid too much that no different than you being paid too much at your job. If it happens, most folks will be happy for you not jealous. Why begrudge the players for the choices made by people with unlimited disposable income?
Brew88
But even Mookie, as much as he tries to stay in shape, has missed 20% of games the past 3 years due to injuries
PulledaBloom
Brew88 – How do you measure success?
Many professional baseball people use OPS+
Mookie’s OPS+ in Boston was 134 and in LA it’s 134.
Hard to be more consistent than that!!
So his production is as good as before in less games. I think that means he’s getting better.
Also, counting games can be very misleading. The Dodgers have far more depth than the Red Sox did so he will play roughly 10 less games a year as a Dodger than a Red Sox. I don’t agree with their approach and I think it explains why they are never consistently successful winning the World Series but always make the playoffs. Resting players excessively doesn’t improve their performance it simply hurts the teams performance.
I expect as long as the manager in LAD is Roberts, Mookie’s target GS will be closer to 140 than 15o (like most teams)..
Digdugler
I know we all wanted the players to get paid more and the owners to spend more but this is getting silly.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
My only questions is how do they extend Soto now? That gives them Manny at $30 mill/yr, Tatis eventually at $36 million/yr, Bogaerts at $25.5…Soto will be at $40 or more per year.
VegasSDfan
Let’s see how Soto plays in 2023
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Soto is one of the best players in the league and is only turning 24 next year. He will be fine.
Deleted Userr
Soto turned 24 2 months ago
RodBecksBurnerAccount
My mistake…he will only be 24 in this coming season.
JoeBrady
That’s part of my question. Machado is better than Bogaerts by a fair margin. He might be looking for $350M/10. Then Soto at $40M, maybe more. And their 2024 rotation will be Musgrove and maybe Martinez.
What Padre fan, growing up, would ever have imagined the Padres with a $300M payroll?
Brew88
Honestly, there’s no chance Soto goes for $40 MM, maybe 45? 50 even (unless his slump continues).. Manny will likely demand more than than 35 MM per year..
TennVol
Manny is opting out next year and Soto is going to free agency and probably not resigned, i think this is why Xander is being signed now because they know they will most likely lose both of them in the next few years.
Deleted Userr
Machado can opt out next year
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Can and likely will, but is not a certainty.
libertyfighter
Tatis has an AAV around $27m for the length of his contract. $52m total for both Bogaerts & Tatis!
rememberthecoop
Insane in the membrane.
dvmin98
Came here for the “overpay” comments. LOL. He’s ours!
fred-3
MLBTR’s predicted Xander Bogaerts’ contract: Seven years, $189MM.
They were way off
Deleted Userrr
MLBTR contract predictions are not gospel.
fred-3
The Athletic predicted 7 years, $196M. Everyone thinks this was an overpay lol
JoeBrady
Everyone thinks this was an overpay lol
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Except for the Bloom haters.
PulledaBloom
JoeBrady – You are caught up in a side issue about Bloom haters.
Guessing it’s an overpay is like tossing a coin to see if it will be tails because you feel strongly it will be tails.
The $25MM cost for a top 5 SS age 30 doesn’t sound unreasonable to most people whether they like Bloom or not.
Paying him 11 years ensures his retirement into the HOF as a Padre not a Red Sox. If his skills suddenly drop-off late in the contract it still comes back to the entire NET PRESENT VALUE of the contract. Salaries will continue to grow at a rate of at least 7% annually so his $25MM paid in 2032 is equivalent to $12.5MM in 2022 dollars. If he’s out of baseball it’s a bad deal but if he’s still providing an OPS+ that is league average the deal is a steal for the money and it gives Bogaerts security while he pursues his dream of making the Hall of Fame.
fred-3
Fangraphs went 7 years, $200M. They were the closes
LordD99
The market just experienced a reset, which is why many of the predictions are off. They’ll adjust next year. Will Ohtani be the first $50MM AAV player next year? Soto to follow the year after?
fred-3
Not necessarily. Seager got 10 years, $325M last year so these deals are right in line. There are just more desperate teams this year.
Brew88
I’m not sure it’s a reset, but a steady trend. Ohtani and Manny $50 MM, Soto also. Bogaerts at $25 MM is going to look cheap in 5 years.
Ski to Coors
Love a good panic buy.
Also, holy bottomless comment section…
Fred McGriff HR
Ha Seong Kim is a better shortstop than Bogaerts.
Brew88
defensively yes
judgementday99
How close are the Padres to the Cohen Tax Level? I heard yesterday the Mets were already at that 90% Tax level…
Pads Fans
They are at $254 million as of today.
JoeBrady
Good luck Xander. You played great for us. And not only a great player, but a joy to have you represent us.
That said, if there was one thing I learned in the George Steinbrenner era, never try to outbid George for a player. It’ll almost automatically be an overpayment. You can now add Cohen & Preller to that list.
I had Bogaerts at $196M/7. Preller’s deal is ~45% higher. I’d never go there.
Fred McGriff HR
If the Braves got Ha Seong Kim it would be more than ok if Dansby is going elsewhere.
Brew88
@McGriff Okay, but just know that he can’t hit decent a fast ball thrown from a RH pitcher.
Pads Fans
What 5 WAR player would the Braves bee giving up to get Kim?
Brew’88
Strider
Chemo850
So many terrible contracts were given out this week. So much for owners having learned their lesson
Samuel
Chemo850;
Not all owners…..
Not even a majority of owners.
Silas
“Play it again, Sam..”
Shawn W.
Like many message posters here, I have no issue with Xander Bogarts. He is a very good player, but he is not a great player. He capitalized on this SS market although he does not have the future potential WAR as Turner or Correa (but better than Swanson). Good for him.
Old York
Well, at least the NL has a DH spot now so they can sign these guys into their 40s. Expensive DH, though.
SupremeZeus
So many teams were just stepping on their richards by not going all out to sign premier FAs over the last few seasons. Top end of the market has skyrocketed.
Yankeesforever
so many of you are missing what’s going on here
This isn’t 20 or 30 years ago when a player looking for the big contract had to go to one of the top tier teams in NY or LA or Boston to get the money. Then such teams controlled the narrative and the years. Every 3/4/5 years needing to negotiate for their pay and if they were in their 30’s hoping to latch on.
At some point, agents got smart and came up with a plan to broaden their players’ opportunities.
Where smaller market teams couldn’t compete dollar for dollar, they could offer security in years, and boom here we are.
Teams like Padres and Rangers are handing out years like candy, it’s the only way they have a chance to lure players and why not, it is working, and the players are getting lifetime security.
Trea Turner will never have to worry about a contract again, Judge will never have to worry about a contract again, Xander will never have to worry about a contract again.
Such peace of mind is priceless to players these days and unless the “big” market teams keep up they wont be keeping their stud players, and this just doesn’t apply to Xander or Judge but any prospect coming up through the system who may become a star.
Only one way for big market teams to counter this treand and that is no more lowballing extensions with their young potential stars. Lock them up when you can.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Was a Bogaerts fan, am not really much of a Bloom fan. But if that was what it takes to keep him in Boston, Dueces buddy. Let’s sign Swanson for 7 now.
Deleted Userr
Or just roll with Trevor Story for now and wait for Marcelo Mayer’s arrival in 1.5-2 years.
GASoxFan
Mayer is FAR from a lock for anything.
He hasn’t even proven he can hit AA level pitching!!!!!
Jbj tore up aaa pitching and could hit to save his life in mlb. And Mayer hasn’t even shown he can do that!!!
All these people, tearing up the mlb club, shoving a homegrown star out the door praising a kid WHO HAS PROVEN NOTHING!!!
RockinRobin
I don’t know. Is anyone convinced the Padres spent enough money to succeed? The line up looks crazy good.
JoeBrady
The lineup, as of today, includes Kim’s .708 at 2nd, Cronenworth’s .722 at 1st, Nola’s .649 at catcher, and no DH that I am aware of.
In terms of HRs:
Machado 32
Soto 27
Tatis ???
Cron 17
Grish 17
Bogaerts 15
Kim 11
Nola 4
They’ll score, but that’s not a juggernaut.
Brew88
@ Brady. Definitely not a power juggernaut, and bottom of lineup is weak as it stands. Though the team is trying to sign 1B and DH with power before start of season – Crone doesn’t have a 1B bat, and is too good a 2B to move to 1B permanently. Someone might also get traded…. But they need SP more than anything.
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Pads Fans
You should be looking at OPS+ and WAR, not stats that are not park adjusted and definitely not counting stats.
OPS+
Machado – 159
Soto – 149
Bogaerts – 131
Tatis – 160 (career)
Cronenworth – 111
Grisham – 83
Kim – 107
Nola – 91
No team in baseball is better offensively overall as of today.
If you look at WAR it is even better. Every position above league average WAR. 6 players above 4 WAR. That is considered All Star level play.
Grisham was among the very best defensively in CF so even with his bad offense he still put up an above average 2.6 WAR. Kim was so outstanding defensively that even with offensive production that was only slightly above average he put up a 5.1 WAR.
Brew’88
@ Pads Fan. To be fair to Joe Brady, many teams are likely to be better offensively in terms of runs scored and slug, so his point about not being a jug is accurate as things stand. The Pads offense wasn’t great last year, lacking speed and power. Tatis and Bogaerts will help though. Especially Tatis. But as Preller said today, they are actively looking for offensive help at the DH and 1B positions.
More importantly, baseball is 75% pitching and the Pads need 2 more SP, at least one who is #2/3 level.
Ma4170
Xander has been more consistent and healthy than Correa over the years, and I think this is the ballpark of where Correa’s contract will land, so it doesn’t surprise me that much. And like many of you said, this market is an extreme player’s market so far, so I’m done being surprised at these deals at this point.
BaseballisLife
Can’t begin to tell you how ticked off my wife is. All morning she has been randomly yelling “f$@#@% you, Bloom. F%#$#@ you!”
Pads Fans
That is pretty funny. She sounds like a diehard Red Sox fan. Are you a Red Sox fan, too?
I wonder how many other Red Sox fans are doing that today as well?
GASoxFan
We knew this would happen. Only way it wouldn’t is if bloom got a deserving end. Doesn’t make you happy when it does, just not surprised
Pads Fans
Just read in the Globe that Bloom and Henry only offered Bogaerts 6 years and $160 million. About the same AAV that the Padres gave him for 11 years.
JoeBrady
About the same AAV that the Padres gave him for 11 years.
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Interesting way of putting it. In other words, the RS and Padres offers were identical, except that the Padres are going to be paying him for his 35-40 age seasons.
Jung Like My Daddy
Ok.
Still think we should move Soto to 1B/DH/OF sometimes and bring back Profar
Profar, Grisham/Azocar, Tatis JR would make an extremely good defensive OF.
Machado, Bogaerts, Cronenworth, Soto with Kim as super utility – get Kim to try out CF maybe – sign a LH super utility guy maybe Adam Frazier.
DH Id bring in Justin Turner as only the DH. Or Trey Mancini.
All thats really left is get some SP depth behind Darvish, Snell, Musgrove
Id bring in
1 of Kluber, Wacha, Cueto
1 of Yarbrough, Hill, Miley
Bring in some relief pitching who are looking to rebuild value
Kimbrel, Chapman, Bradley,
whyhayzee
A rhetorical question: If Boras was not his agent, would he have signed with the Red Sox?
GASoxFan
No, unless bloom was not the gm.
Troutahni
The Halos ought to now trade Fletcher, Walsh,Stassi and Addel for Tatis,Cronenworth,Ha-Seong Kim and a reliever. Kim would be a great fit for the Angels. I love a Tendon to Rengifo-to-kim-to Cronenworth infield.
Projected Angels Lineup:
1. Fernando Tatis,SS
2. Mike Trout, CF
3. Ohtani, DH
4. Rendon, 3B
5. Renfro,RF
6. Ward, LF
7. Rengifo, 2B
8. Cronenworth/Urshela, 1B
9. O’Hoppe/Christian Vasquez, C
Troutahni
You have the luxury of using Kim, Rengifo, Cronenworth and Urshela to use for days-off, injuries and days off to keep the team healthy and ready for the postseason.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
You could through in Disneyland California Adventure, the North Woods Inn off of Valley View and a Rally Monkey…and that deal is still never gonna happen!
DUDDUS
Tatis could be suspended til 2030 and they still wouldn’t take that trade
PadreB2011
What have you been smoking? There’s NO WAY that Convo even happens? Awful trade offer.
Luke Strong
Yet another boneheaded move by a GM, giving a contract with a full no trade clause. It doesn’t matter who the player is, an untradable player has the team completely beholden to them. Why give any player that kind of power to be able to continually destroy the franchise long after their prime?
Pads Fans
How many players with an NTC have prevented the team from trading them permanently? Can you name any?
Luke Strong
You’re only kidding yourself. Players have blocked plenty of trades with NTC’s over the years.
Pads Fans
So you are saying that you cannot name one over the years that used their NTC to block being traded permanently and stayed with the team through their entire contract, but there are plenty?
Let’s make it easier. What players are still with their original team today after blocking a trade with their NTC. Just one example will do.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
As a Padres fan, I looove all the hate! Yes, it feels good to be trashed talked…for years the pad’s were never talked about because they were a small market team with a few good players here and there. Tony, Hoff, Jones, Peavy, McGriff, Caminiti, just to name a few.
Now they have one of the deadliest line ups in all of baseball and people hate ‘em cause they ain’t ‘em! Lol!
We have the most legit park in the MLB after years of having to deal with the Murph. Don’t get me wrong, amazing memories there but that place was a dump! So bring your hate because every time you do you have to think of us, your San Diego Padres!
olmtiant
Raise your hand if you got a bad feeling as I did when I heard , Yoshi was signed… no way in Haiti were they shelling out 200 million for Xander after that…. So let’s recap… Mookie home grown… gone… Xander home grown.. gone….Devers…next???…. The days of Petey and Youk signing team friendly extensions are over guys…. Pathetic….
madmc44
I say good for Boggie and Orsillo.
Bloom needs to make a legit offer to Devers or find a team to trade him too.
After looking at Trevor Story’s numbers as a SS in Colorado–I’m impressed-he and Boggie are comparable defenders.
With 5 yrs. left on Story’s contract it will get the Sox to the next SS. Kiki is a good option with Story’s injury history.
Pitching is next. Find a couple that can get us to Bello and Mata 2 more years away.
Sale, Whitlock, Houck, Pivetta, Paxton. I’d like to see Wacha for 2-3 year deal.
Ham Fighter
Kim is way better defensively at SS than bogarts but now he’s stuck and second base
websoulsurfer
Kim is a better SS than Tatis and now Tatis is stuck in LF. Cronenworth may be as good of a defensive SS as Bogaerts or at least close to and he is stuck at 1B.
mrpadre19
Web….don’t you think Tatis better suited for RF with his arm?
Soto played LF until Harper left.
websoulsurfer
Been out of the loop the last couple of days. This is crazy for the Padres. Crazy good. That batting lineup for the next 2 years is the best in baseball. That price is 4 more years than I thought he would get, but the AAV is $5 million less than I thought he would cost.
What is even crazier is the insulting 6/160 offer the Red Sox made. Turned on WEEI after lunch and the radio personalities and the fans in Boston seem downright pissed off.
So what is going to happen there after Devers leaves next offseason or in a trade before then? A mutiny? Are the Red Sox paring payroll to sell the team? Not sure WTH is going on in beantown. Any Red Sox fans that are in Boston have more of an idea of what is happening?
Yanks2
And they’ll still wind up not advancing to the WS
Pads Fans
So you are saying they will be golfing come WS time like the Yankees have done every year for the past decade?
Yanks2
Idk what the Yankees have to do with what I said but yeah?
websoulsurfer
Maybe he is referring to your name. I think we should call you The Oracle because you know what is going to happen in the future. Can you give us the lottery numbers for the next pull, too?.
Deleted Userr
“He” is you lmfao
sonorawind
Surprised that people are bagging on the length of the contract. THAT’S THE NAME OF THE GAME, to reduce AAV. Of course players aren’t going to perform at the same high level in their late 30s (except maybe DHs). Once a club reaches an agreement on how much they are willing to pay, they try and spread it out over as many years as possible.
Brew’88
A simple concept, and it took 800 posts before someone laid it out simply.
Thornton Mellon
Always good to look at home/away splits with guys who’ve spent a long time with the Red Sox. You expect a guy to hit a little better at home most of the time, but Red Sox players sometimes has some crazy splits. Check out Yaz or Jim Rice.
This will be interesting:
Home splits: .312/.375/.479 with 89 HR in 635 games.
Away splits: .271/.338/.420 with 67 HR in 629 games.
This is quite a difference. Which player are the Padres putting out $280M for? Certainly “Away Bogaerts” would be a huge disappointment.
sonorawind
At least he’s not like a guy who swings for the fences. Contact has always been his forte. Guys who make contact age better than guys like Judge or Olson.
He will have to be moved off the SS position, eventually. He’s athletic enough to play any of the other IF positions for many years.
Pads Fans
You went back to the last century and picked just 2 players?
Last season the Red Sox hit .272 with a .773 OPS and 108 wRC+ and 111 OPS+.
They hit .244 with a .689 OPS and 97 wRC+ and 89 OPS+.
Previous years this century the team has similar home away splits.
Bogaerts had a 146 wRC+ and 141 OPS+ at home and a 126 wRC+ and 126 OPS+ on the road. That compares favorably with the home away splits of the rest of the Red Sox team.
JoeBrady
Which player are the Padres putting out $280M for?
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I suspect that was part of Bloom’s thinking. He doesn’t want to pay for stats generated by Fenway. But Bogaerts will still be a good hitter.
websoulsurfer
Then Bloom is not very smart because Bogaerts would have been playing his home games in Fenway.
The Red Sox are not that dissimilar to other teams in terms of hitting better at home. MLB averaged 104 wRC+ at home and 97 at home. You hit better when you are familiar with the hitting background. You might also hit better sleeping in your own bed at night, but that is pure speculation.
Cooperdooper7
What this comes down to is the Red Sox made the right choice not go anywhere close to the Padres offer because the investment is not worth the return….. and the years are just flat out silly.
The real question is what are they going to do with the money they have saved by not foolishly investing in that massive overpay. For those of you who keep blaming Bloom…. get your heads out of your behinds, it is not just Bloom it is the whole team Mgmt and ownership philosophy.
BillMueller326
Bloom is an extension of the ownership philosophy and the one making the deals. He’s the one who’s going to get the blame (but Henry et al should be getting it as well).
JoeBrady
The real question is what are they going to do with the money they have saved
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This is always the crux of the conversation, or should be. This goes for every team, but if you don’t get Player A for $25M, then you still have $25M to spend on player B.
BaseballisLife
829 comments and counting.
BillMueller326
Bloom wilts again…..Please, no more of this guy!
OZ13
Thoughts on the sox and padres.
Sox: I began watching baseball the year they broke the curse as a 6th or 7th grader. I called it when they came back down 3-0 on the yanks,,, just saying. They are my AL team and the Braves are my NL team based off of location. The Sox were right not to resign Xander. This type of money needs to be saved to lock up devers THIS YEAR and not let him reach FA. He is a better hitter and defender than Xander and is worth 32-37 mil per year IMO. Don’t forget that Bryan Reynolds requested a trade from the Pirates. He is a great talent in the OF and the Red Sox need OF help more than just about any team (maybe the dodgers?) I’m calling a Reynolds trade to the Sox and an extension of Devers. Both coming shortly.
Padres: Desperation anyone? Does no one want to play there? They have been the biggest offers for Judge, Turner, and now Xander. Were they just like “We HAVE to land a big name or people will be mad at us.” A better move would have been to rework Machado’s contract and sign him longer term without the options to opt out. Xander cant play SS much longer anyways. I imagine he is a backup play for 3B if Machado walks… but why not just give that extra money to Machado and make him stay..? Or Soto….? Here’s a thought- Padres trade Tatis for a haul (mostly pitching) and extend Soto and Machado and their centerpieces. In two years they are in contention again.
Pads Fans
Devers? A guy destined for DH before he turns 30 that is going to ask for 13-14 years at $465-500 million when he hits FA a few days after he turns 27?
That is a bad investment.
Bogaerts is a relatively low AAV deal that makes the Padres offense the most potent in terms of OPS+ in baseball. It also gives them 6 position players that played at an All Star level, 4+ WAR, last season. Every position has a player that was above league average in WAR last year.
Only one team can match that, The World Champion Astros. Not the Judge led Yankees. Not the Dodgers. Not the Phillies. Not the Braves or Mets.
The returning Padres pitching staff had a 3.23 ERA in 2022 and that includes Hader at 7.23 he produced for the Padres, not his 5.22 season ERA or his 2.71 career ERA. It also doesn’t include Pomeranz, since he didn’t pitch in 2022. I put in Reiss Knehr instead, since he had the most IP of the guys called up from AAA last season.
What the Padres did was make sure their team would be dominant across the board. Preller said he is not done upgrading the team as he wants to add a 1B/DH and a back of the rotation starter.
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, i agree 100%. Betts was a great player. Bogaerts was a very good player, who was slightly old.
But I don’t get the love for Devers. His career bWAR/650 PAs is only 3.3. Even if you go by his last four seasons, his bWAR/650 is still only 4.1. That’s very good. But someone like Judge has a 7.6 for his career. Turner has a 5.2. There are a pretty decent amount of guys that are better than Devers.
I would trade Devers and go with J Turner.
PulledaBloom
JoeBrady – Pure wisdom on this comment. Nice!!
Bobby smac9
Could it be more obvious? they did not want to sign this man.
mrmackey
Have to avoid any chowda made in New England for a while, it will be salty with tears.
Henry Silvestre
I really don’t see the big deal on 11 yrs.. he just turned 30 Oct 1st so 11 takes him to age 40.. there is a universal DH in play now and Padres signed Xander because of his stick not necessarily his position or Defense… I see X playing SS 2 or 3 seasons and then moving to 1B or 2B for a while before DHing last 3 seasons or so.. Padres #1 spec Merrill will be the SS in 2025 or so… Padres paid X for 7yrs really that falls in line with the “transition” from a very veteran SP rotation to that of Lesko/Snelling/Muzr/Lizarraga/Wolf/Williams etc… somewhere between 2026 and 2028
Wagner>Cobb
11 years is such a long time and he is such a pure hitter. I wonder if he can get to 3,000? He needs 1,590 hits to get there. He needs to basically average 144-145 hits per year over the course of the contract. It’s doable, especially if he really hits the ground running.
MadSkillsUniversity
Wow, this is not a new trend. No salary cap restrictions and lock them down for their entire career, at ANY cost. MLB WILL be changing some rules because this type of money and years will put small market teams out of business. EVERY Team is not just buying championships!!! If your team is not, why even watch?! The MLB WILL have a salary cap by 2030. Ohtani will get $500M for 10 years and his first son will get a billion for life. LOL
Yanks4life22
San Diego is one of the smallest markets in all sports and yet they somehow are able to spend. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are actually larger markets lol. Don’t be mad bc this owner isn’t pocketing his profits, you should be commending the Padres.
PulledaBloom
Yanks – Great point. It’s not the size of the market it’s the size of the ownership bank account. If Mark Cuban bought the Kansas City Royals or Milwaukee Brewers they too could compete with the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets and Padres. The difference is NY and LA simply lower their astronomical profits with huge contracts. SD will exist as a team losing a small amount of a billionaire’s wealth.
Bobby smac9
There is no way a cap is ever instituted.
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Pulledabloom stop posting you freakin ba$tard!!!
Soxfanforever
The upcoming season will be another wait til next year for Red Sox fans. They will be lucky to be a 500 team. They do spend money, but do so in such a way they almost always look bad. I guess certain markets you can never rebuild in ( ie Boston ,NY), but that is what it feels like. A last place team that has to pay the luxury tax is pathetic. I’m glad that I don’t follow it as much as years past
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Lol.
Flwed logic.
You start with a made up price per….
Then say…oh. ….this contract has surplus value……
When the number/price you started with is completely made up?
Lol….
nosake
Padres picking him up still bugs me. He’s a Boston boy and should be traded back to them for compensation, of course.