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Looking Back At A Rare Trade Miss For The Rays

By Darragh McDonald | April 27, 2023 at 11:59pm CDT

Why do teams even bother trading with the Rays? The club has built a reputation as one that wins every deal it makes, a legend that goes back to at least 2014, based on this classic Tweet. Whenever they swing a deal, there are inevitable comments with observers wondering why other clubs even bother getting involved with Tampa when they’re bound to get fleeced.

It’s understandable why that discourse exists as the Rays have shown a knack to turn unheralded players into stars. Looking at the current roster, we find players like Randy Arozarena, Yandy Díaz, Drew Rasmussen and others who seemed to completely alter their trajectory after moving to Tampa. It’s a testament to the organization that they seem to continually get the best out of their players, whether it’s ones they’ve traded for or those they originally drafted or signed.

It’s also what helps them repeatedly field competitive clubs despite rarely spending money. They’ve made the playoffs in eight of the past 15 seasons, including each of the past four, and seem well on their way to get back there again despite playing in the stacked AL East. In the last 20 years, they’ve only once spent enough to get out of the bottom five, per the figures from Cot’s Baseball Contracts.

That being said, no club is perfect. They are run by human beings just like all the others and they make mistakes. Let’s take a look at a deal from December 2019 that looks like a whiff.

  • Padres get outfielder Tommy Pham and infield prospect Jake Cronenworth
  • Rays get outfielder Hunter Renfroe, infield prospect Xavier Edwards and a player to be named later, eventually revealed as infield prospect Esteban Quiroz

This deal has the vague feel of a classic Rays trade, as they often take quality players and flip them for others who are almost as good but cheaper and with more control. If they help the new player become just as good or better than the one they gave up, then it works out as a nice bit of business for a low-spending club.

There’s no doubt Pham was better than Renfroe at that time. In the three years leading up to the deal, he had hit 65 home runs and slashed .284/.381/.475 for a wRC+ of 133. Renfroe’s batting line was .231/.291/.486 for a wRC+ of 102. He actually hit significantly more homers than Pham with 85, but his 7.3% walk rate was well below Pham’s 12.5% clip. He also struck out 28.5% of the time compared to Pham’s 21.7% rate. The defensive edge was debatable, as Defensive Runs Saved and Outs Above Average preferred Renfroe while Ultimate Zone Rating gave the nod to Pham, though a lot of Pham’s work came in the more-demanding position of center field. Pham definitely provided more value on the basepaths, including stealing 65 bases to Renfroe’s 10. His 13.1 wins above replacement tally from FanGraphs in those three years was well ahead of Renfroe’s 4.3.

But turning to the financials, Pham had two years of remaining club control and was projected to make $8.6MM in 2020. Renfroe just qualified for arbitration as a Super Two player, meaning he had four years of control remaining and was projected for a $3.4MM salary. If the Rays could somehow coax some better plate discipline out of Renfroe, they could wind up with a fairly similar player for less money and more control.

Pham went on to struggle in 2020 but bounce back with a serviceable 2021 campaign. Renfroe, however, had a dismal season in 2020. He did make some slight improvements at the plate, walking at a 10.1% clip and striking out at a 26.6% rate, but he hit just .156/.252/.393 for a wRC+ of 78. His .141 batting average on balls in play certainly points to a lot of bad luck, and he’s been better since then, but the Rays decided to move on by designating him for assignment at season’s end.

There’s always risk in taking this path, assuming that the lesser player can simply be changed in a way that they replace the better player, but the Rays also had some insurance. They were getting a young prospect on the rise in Edwards. He was just the Padres’ #21 prospect coming into 2019, per Baseball America, but he hit .322/.375/.396 for a 121 wRC+ between Single-A and High-A that year. He only hit one home run, but he struck out at a tiny 9.6% rate and stole 34 bases. After the deal, BA ranked him the #85 prospect in the entire league.

Unfortunately, he never really developed any more power and the speed proved less game-changing as he moved up the minor league ladder. After the minor leagues were canceled in 2020, he went up to Double-A in 2021. He didn’t hit a single home run in 337 plate appearances over 79 games. His .302/.377/.368 batting line was still above average, translating to a wRC+ 113, but it was a bit of a drop from his breakout.

Last year, he got bumped to Triple-A and managed to hit five home runs in 400 trips to the plate, but the rest of the picture wasn’t as pretty. His 18.8% strikeout rate was still a bit below average, but it was much higher than any season before. His .246/.328/.350 line amounted to a wRC+ of 84 and he only stole seven bases in 11 tries over 93 games. This past offseason, with the Rays facing a roster crunch, they dealt Edwards and JT Chargois to the Marlins for prospects Marcus Johnson and Santiago Suarez. Johnson and Suarez were respectively ranked the club’s #25 and #17 prospects by BA coming into this year. Those youngsters mean the Rays could still salvage something from Edwards indirectly, but it’s surely not the outcome they envisioned when they initially brought him aboard. Neither Johnson nor Suarez has reached even High-A yet, so any forthcoming payday will have to wait.

The best saving grace of the deal from Tampa’s perspective right now is that the player to be named later, Quiroz, had a nice season in 2021 and was flipped to the Cubs for Harold Ramírez. This is more the classic Rays trade that we all know, where a somewhat flawed player seems to find their ceiling in Tampa. Ramírez had cracked BA’s top 100 list back in 2016 while with the Pirates, but later bounced around to Toronto, Miami and Cleveland. By the end of 2021, he had received 818 major league plate appearances but had hit .271/.308/.405 for a wRC+ of 91. For a guy with little speed and subpar defense, that wasn’t terribly exciting.

Cleveland designated Ramírez for assignment after 2021 and then flipped him to the Cubs for cash. At the end of March, the Cubs sent him to the Rays for Quiroz, seeming to indicate he wouldn’t make the team out of spring. Since he was out of options, they couldn’t send him down and at least got Quiroz out of it. The Rays would have to keep Ramírez on the active roster as well, though that hasn’t been a problem as he has mashed since the deal. In 139 games as a Ray, he’s hit .308/.353/.442 for a wRC+ of 132. He still doesn’t walk much and his defense is still subpar, but he’s hard to strike out and hits the ball hard. The Rays can control him through 2025.

From the Padres’ point of view, Pham was just okay in his two seasons there but the real coup was getting Cronenworth. A seventh round draft pick, he was never at the top of any prospect lists while in the minors. He was ranked #18 in the Rays’ system by BA in 2018 and then #15 in the Padres’ system in 2020 after the deal. He then cracked the Opening Day roster in the shortened season, striking out in just 15.6% of his plate appearances that year while hitting .285/.354/.477 for a wRC+ of 126. He hasn’t quite maintained that pace but has continued to be above average, with his career batting line now at .254/.336/.433, translating to a 114 wRC+.

He’s also provided tremendous defensive versatility, bouncing around the infield as needed. He’s mostly played second base but has also spent time at third and shortstop. When the Friars signed Xander Bogaerts to take over at short, they seemed to have little hesitation about moving Ha-Seong Kim to second and Cronenworth over to first. His DRS numbers at short are subpar, but he’s considered average or better at the other spots, while UZR and OAA think he’s average or better everywhere. The club is so enamored with him that they signed him to a seven-year, $80MM extension in the offseason.

In the end, the deal wasn’t a total loss for the Rays, since they were able to flip one of the pieces to get a solid player in Ramírez. But it shows that MLB decision makers don’t necessarily need to block phone calls coming from Tampa. You could get someone like Cronenworth or perhaps Nathaniel Lowe or maybe Willy Adames or even Blake Snell or how about José Alvarado or someone like Joe Ryan?

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  1. junkmale

    2 years ago

    No idea how Cronenworth got that massive extension.

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    • GCB

      2 years ago

      Cronenworth’s been an Allstar twice in 1st 3 years must be doing something right.

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      • kc38

        2 years ago

        It’s called playing in a big market. Fans vote for all stars dude… it ain’t that prestigious. There’s been guys on the I.L who get voted to start the All Star Game… cmon

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        • MLGraham

          2 years ago

          Cronenworth was voted in by the players last year not the fans. Crazy to hear someone call SD a big market after 60 years of it being called the smallest market in baseball.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          Please don’t call people dude.It’s a really ignorant word some idiot invented and morons copy,

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          San Diego is not a big market team.Being an allstar might not be the ultimate honor but crappy players don’t make allstar games.He got voted to Allstar game when his team was good it’s not like getting a allstar berth because they have to pick one from even the worst team.Now if he played for Yankees your argument would make more sense.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          Just wondering why other people’s opinions not just talking me,seem to make you angry.You obviously don’t like Cronenworth so be happy he’s not on your team.I’m guessing your a Rays fan so you should be happy as hell and not so angry.Do you know that even as good as Rays start is my Tigers in 1984 started 35-5 a record no one has come close to repeating.I witnessed it and still can’t believe they did it 🙂

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        • case

          2 years ago

          The dude abides.

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        • Cisco206

          2 years ago

          Dude

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        • larkraxm

          2 years ago

          In your opinion. What makes you the dude police? Calling a person an idiot and\or a moron, is far worse manners. Taking offense is a choice you make. If you have chosen to take offense at the word dude, then I suggest you make another choice. I am not sure why I care except that I found your response rude and unwarranted. Lay back dawg! Life is short!!

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        • richardc

          2 years ago

          No one would ever call San Diego the smallest market while Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay exist, soo for at least part of those 60 years whoever said that was completely out of touch with reality..

          Also, some people have called St. Louis a small market too, but that really doesn’t mean all that much, nor have the Cardinals operated as if they are a part one of the smaller markets..

          With Tatis Jr. and his exploits, with the amount of money they have spent
          and their big name, high-profile acquisitions of Clevinger, Snell, Darvish, Soto, Machado, Hader, and Bogaerts, etc. VERY FEW teams have been covered by the media as much as San Diego has the past few years…

          When you get the coverage and notoriety the Padres have been getting lately, it gives all their players more national exposure.

          Either way, I would easily wager my house that if you polled any 100 MLB fans, NOT A SINGLE ONE would consider San Diego the smallest market in baseball…NOT ONE…

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @GCB Cronenworth best asset is his versatility. He doesn’t have much speed and has so so power, he’s a poor contact hitter, but overall he’s fairly good at getting on base.

          The All Star selections are kind of meaningless as far as assessing talent. They re popularity contests amongst fans and players.

          That said I wish Tigers had him over Mckinstry or Schoop. But I kind of believe Cronenworth is overrated and has benefited from being in a loaded lineup.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          Dude where’s my car?

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          Watch a current Padres game and tell me the “lineup is loaded” lmfao.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Weren’t all words invented by some dude?

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          Tatis, Soto, Xander, Machado, Cruz… That is a pretty stacked lineup.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          Glad i wasn’t born in your generation of moronic language have a nice life.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @Richard they re not the smallest market team in MLB. They are in the bottom third, but being the only pro sports team in town is a huge boon for them.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          I’ll gladly take him.He’s from nearbye Detroit.Sure his family would love it.Not sure he would.Weather’s great in San Diego and Our Tigers are in an endless rebuild. Bally Sports makes it sound like we won world series when we win a few con games.One good thing lately no Kirk Gibson on broadcasts.Loved him as player can’t stand him as an announcer.
          When it comes to lot of things on here though it seems everyone thinks they are an expert on everything and some actually get angry by others opinions it’s so bizzare.It’s people in general on here.Not sure about you but know it alls really are very irritating

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          jimthegoat-Everyone in NL West this season seems mediocre or horrible.Don’t think fans of any teams in this division can say much about the other since none of them seem anything more than average.A Dodger fan on a chat site told me his team was gonna win 90 games,They better wake up soon if that’s gonna happen.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Not intending to pile on ya, GCB… but it did seem you were the only one irritated and angry here, and by a simple word at that. Cheers amigo

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        • mrpadre19

          2 years ago

          SD is a small market due to their location.
          They have zero fans to their West.
          Mexico to their South….two HUGE market teams to their immediate North and the Desert to the East.
          Your market size isn’t determined by your payroll or notoriety.

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        • dradnatSehT

          2 years ago

          Ok bro.

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        • Waymann

          2 years ago

          @larkraxm

          very well said, my dude.

          In the time that person took to write their “don’t call me dude” message…they could have instead taken a moment to reflect on their life thus far and what led them to be so insulted by such trivial things as being called “dude”.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          mrpadre19;

          Small market size obviously is important in regards to the local baseball teams TV contract. The more fans in the viewing area, the more the company telecasting the games can charge for commercials. In turn, the more they’ll pay the local team for the rights to telecast the games. The disparity in revenue between large, mid and small market teams is absurd. Which result in some teams having payrolls 3 and 4 times higher than others.

          However, the San Diego situation is unlike a small market of comparable size such as Pittsburgh or Milwaukee. A 3-bedroom house in a middle class area in San Diego will cost around $1m today (SD housing is even more expensive than that of LA). A comparable house (and usually constructed of better materials due to the change in seasons) in Pittsburgh or Milwaukee will cost $200-250k. The cost of everything in San Diego – food, clothes, medical, educational tuition, etc. is far higher then most cities in America. In turn, skilled workers are paid far higher salaries living there.

          The point being that the Padres can charge far more per ticket than the Brewers or Pirates can. While they don’t have the number of viewers a market such as NYC or Atlanta has, they can still get a very good TV contract because of the market is so affluent. Furthermore, all other revenue the Padres take in for parking, refreshments, souvenirs, etc. are going to be higher. And the Padres situation – similar to the one of the Mets – includes a wealthy owner that will backstop an out-of-kilter payroll because he has openly said he doesn’t care if he loses money trying to buy a championship.

          Point being that market size is only a factor in MLB when we’re talking about the number of people living in the region. The Padres market may be comparable to that of Pittsburgh and Milwaukee (and very probably lower) but a winning team in San Diego will bring in far more revenue (double, triple, quadruple) than a winning team in Pittsburgh or Milwaukee.

          Everything comes down to the cost of living in the area. There are sites on the Internet that will allow a viewer to easily compare how much it will cost. In this case, a person/family making $50k a year in Pittsburgh will need to make $71,743 in San Diego; and a person making $50k a year in Milwaukee will need to make $74,215 in San Diego for a comparable life-style.

          P.S. This is also why arbitration (and like salaries for vested players) is so ridiculous. Teams cannot be held responsible to pay the same salary to a player unless all teams are equally sharing all the revenues taken in by MLB.

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        • BuJoBi

          2 years ago

          @gcb

          This guy is a Kevin/Karen for sure, who gets triggered over someone calling someone else dude?? Only in 2023 with all the snowflakes in the world could dude be considered derogatory while moron or idiot is ok lmao

          This dudes an idiot dude

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          @Mr Padre, as Samuel pointed out there are many other factors that cone into play. All those he mentions by all means cone into play. As does the fact they are the lone professional team. They have a monopoly on professional sports entertainment in their market. That’s not going to close the gap with the New York teams or anything. But it does give them a huge advantage compared to the other bottom half market teams.

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        • Joe says...

          2 years ago

          Doesn’t have to be the Yankees getting in non all star caliber players nor does it have to be a large market team. See: Royals, Kansas City

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          @GCB curious, what generation are you from if not the dude generation, brother, fella, jack, galoot, gun, chappie?

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          I get grumpy too, now and then

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Who u calling not fans?

          Signed ~ Al Bacore

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        • CleaverGreene

          2 years ago

          Tampa Bay? they have the 8th largest TV market. I don’t have the stats, but there are probably 8M people within an hour and a half drive to Tampa.

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        • M.C.Homer

          2 years ago

          Sorry Bro…

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        • Eighty Raw

          2 years ago

          Tampa Bay metro area has a hilariously large media market compared to San Diego. Pittsburgh’s is also larger.

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        • LFGSD619

          2 years ago

          @GCB

          frfrncogsbfrfr

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          Every good team needs some solid unspectacular players. Cronenworth fits that bill.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          I will take Gibby over Monroe anyday. I’ll also take anyone who can hit .240 for the Detroit lineup.

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        • Chris G.

          2 years ago

          Oh, the irony of calling people “idiots” and “morons” because you’re offended by the word “dude.”

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          @stymeedone You did not just call Cronenworth “unspectacular” lmfao.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          @Fernando I hate with every cell in my body the fact I know what that acronym is.

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        • Paleobros

          2 years ago

          Dude

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        • junkmale

          2 years ago

          lol that’s what I was about to reply with

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        • larkraxm

          2 years ago

          I hope that all generations could learn to judge the intent of what is said instead of looking to constantly be offended by word choice. Nobody was meaning you any disrespect. I hope that you also have a nice life too, but not in the flip, smart mouth way you said it. I wish you nothing but peace and exciting baseball!

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      • getrealgone2

        2 years ago

        ASG? HAHAH. The same game where the players get voted in by mark fans?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      They wanted to secure a fifth shortstop in case the other four don’t work out. The guy does everything well while being durable – he’s played in 95% of Padres games. No platoon splits and hits to all fields.

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    • case

      2 years ago

      A person that can play multiple positions while hitting for a decent OPS is valuable, gives you more matchup options.

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    • Deleted Userrr

      2 years ago

      Because he’s good.

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    • HighOnPineTar

      2 years ago

      Hey… just because you’re not, and never will be, remotely cool enough to be considered a dude… doesn’t mean you have to go on a random insulting campaign of calling everyone else idiots and morons.

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    • Old timer 78

      2 years ago

      Have you ever seen Jake play? He is a Baller. Always in the right position, no matter what position he is playing. 1B, 2B SS. All Star, clutch hitter. Watch him, and then make a Educated Post.

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    • dasit

      2 years ago

      versatility + ability to stay healthy = $$$

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  2. hiflew

    2 years ago

    The Rays gave German Marquez to the Rockies also. And they acquired Steven Souza instead of Trea Turner for Wil Myers in a 3 way deal. They are not as infallible in trades as people like to think.

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    • C-Daddy

      2 years ago

      It’s impossible to have a perfect trade record. They win many more trades than they lose.

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    • kc38

      2 years ago

      The Souza deal happened before the FO was revamped and shifted peoples authority was shifted around. But Marquez was traded for Dickerson who was a useful player until he was put into a roster crunch with younger and cheaper players coming up. You’re obviously going to give up something to acquire players? Marquez isn’t like some ace, he’s a decent pitcher but isn’t any better than any of the rays SP currently.

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      • hiflew

        2 years ago

        You are insane if you think Marquez is not an ace. It is amazing that people automatically discount any Colorado hitter because he plays at Coors, but they never give great Colorado pitchers credit even though their ERA is a little high.

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        • BeansforJesus

          2 years ago

          Márquez is not an ace. Not even away from
          Coors. He’s a mid-rotation arm with upside.

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        • case

          2 years ago

          Marquez had two years where he was a high end number 2 or 3 starter, but never an ace. Maybe a “Colorado ace” in the sense that it’s just nice/rare to have a quality pitcher up there.

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        • BStrowman

          2 years ago

          Márquez looked like a potential future ace in 2018 and he’s since stagnated. Hiflew doesn’t wanna hear it but that’s the truth. At this point he isn’t anywhere near an ace.

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    • BeansforJesus

      2 years ago

      Marquez was in the Dickerson trade. Dickerson made his only Allstar team with the rays.

      And it’s not like the rays are upset they lost German Marquez. They could put an old radiator on the mound and it would outperform Marquez.

      The Souza trade was butt, I agree

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      • hiflew

        2 years ago

        The Rockies got a couple of years out of Jake McGee before he died too. The Rockies got arguably their best pitcher ever and a closer for two years in exchange for one year of a left fielder.

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        • BeansforJesus

          2 years ago

          Pretty sad that one of the best rockies pitchers ever (ubaldo is the best they’ve had, and it’s hard to argue), was a cast off for a rays team.

          They got years out of McGee, not sure an era around 5 is what they wanted. 2017 was alright.

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        • hiflew

          2 years ago

          They got 2 years out of the trade. They re-signed him for the other 3. I wasn’t counting that.

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        • jdgoat

          2 years ago

          I wouldn’t really consider Marquez a castoff of the Rays. He was a pretty good prospect at the time and really took off in Colorado. I’m sure Tampa would have loved to have him over the length of time Colorado has had him.

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    • GCB

      2 years ago

      Wil Myers had a couple good years for Padres but hasn’t been special after that.Rays weren’t gonna get Trea Turner in that trade he was destined for Nationals.It was a 3 team trade.

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      • hiflew

        2 years ago

        The Nats were only brought into that trade because Tampa wanted Souza.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          So if the Nats were not part of the trade why does that mean they would of Given Turner to Rays,Every team involved wanted specific players if it’s just a 2 team trade its completely different Turner and Ross would both probably not be involved or the trade wouldn’t of happened,I already know as i send this someone will tell me how wrong i am.There’s always someone on here in the crowd that likes tearing down other people’s comments but i posted it any way.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          Sure the Padres would have given Turner to the Rays if they wanted him instead of Sousa. What do they care who he plays for if it’s not them? Wouldn’t they rather he play for an AL team so they don’t have to face him as much?

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          jimthegoat-Never said Padres wouldn’t give Turner to Rays.Rays didn’t want him so without Nats who wanted him, added to trade it probably wouldn’t of happened if you use logic,It’s like a puzzle everything fits.Without Nats puzzle wouldn’t of worked,Like i said b4 even if you use logic people will find a way to say it’s wrong that’s the way it works with some people on here.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          @GCB Knowing Preller he would have offered to throw in Turner without the Rays even asking for him.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          jimthegoat-Even when someone using logic proves you wrong you still have some dumb thing to say.They should have a course common sense 101 for some people.

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          @GCB Can’t have a debate with someone and insult them at the same time. If you would prefer an exchange on insults just say so. I can do that too.

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      • Sky14

        2 years ago

        The nationals gave up Souza in that trade. The Rays could’ve just taken Turner and Ross instead of Souza.

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        • GCB

          2 years ago

          Sky14-Obviously Turner and Ross weren’t the players Rays were targeting or Nats wouldn’t of been needed.

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    • GCB

      2 years ago

      I don’t think author of this article thinks Rays are infallible.No Team is.Just that their percentage of success is higher than most teams.

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  3. kc38

    2 years ago

    Please let’s not act like Cronenworth would be starting over any of the current rays infielders right now. This trade turned into Ramirez who happens to be one of their best hitters between last year and this year combined. Just because the padres overpaid someone doesn’t mean the player is actually worth anywhere close to that.

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  4. GCB

    2 years ago

    My Tigers made a trade with Rays couple years ago got Austin Meadows for Isaac Paredes.At the time i thought what a steal for Detroit.Turns out so far Rays got the best of deal.Meadows dealing with anxiety issues has only played 42 games 0 hrs 13 Rbi’s,Paredes meanwhile who was not remotely impressive with Tigers has played 133 games for Rays as of April 26-23 hrs 57 rbi’s,If Meadows ever gets over his problems it might still be positive for Tigers but not looking like that so far,Paredes has done his damage in just 405 AB’s.

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      Paredes has shown more power than expected but hasn’t hit anywhere near the average he had in the minors. I, too, thought it was a good deal for Detroit. Of course, that was with the expectation that Candelario wouldn’t be let go to save payroll. Now either one would be better than what they are running out there at 3B currently.

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  5. Gwynning

    2 years ago

    Cronie is a beast. We absolutely love him in SD and he fits the roster well. Ideally he shouldn’t have to play 1B, but he is a defensive wizard anywhere on the diamond.

    It’s funny to re-read the old comments (back in the day when there was 500+ on a thread!) and see some old poster’s names help jog some memories.

    All that being said, SD says good riddance to Pham. He and his Choco Tacos can pound sand in NY!

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    • kc38

      2 years ago

      I couldn’t imagine calling a guy a defensive wizard after having a negative RDRS at multiple positions last year. Also…. Paying $80 for a guy who’s best attribute is playing defense (when he can barely do that) seems like a not so smart idea

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      • kc38

        2 years ago

        $80m … my bad

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          I gotcha, I know what you meant in both the money and “DRS”. His value is not limited to defense (.990 career fielding% is well above average, especially for a majority-to-date middle infielder) but his bat plays well, too. +118 career OPS+ is noteworthy in regards to his extension. He is an appreciably smart player and, by all accounts, and this is extremely subjective (I know…) but he passes every discernable eye test as a straight-up baller. The dude seems to be highly underappreciated by other fanbases, and that is fine. He fits here and we love him.

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        • Tigers3232

          2 years ago

          Fielding % applies to balls that a play is attempted on. It can b a poor metric for a slower player with lackluster range. Great he fields 9+ out of 10 balls he makes a play on, let’s ignore the other 5 that a defender with better range would have made an attempt on….

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Ok, for argument sake we can definitively say his glove is superior but his range is somewhat lacking. I’ll take that in any firstbaseman. And just because a speedier player might pull leather doesn’t mean he makes the play. I would still prefer a superior glove guy. The point being somewhat lost in translation here is Cronie makes ridiculous plays to either side. As mentioned earlier, he passes all eye tests and flashes great leather, but yes, he doesn’t have the range of a Tatis or Ozzie.

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          And .990 means he properly fields 99 balls out of 100 “he can reach”… please clone Crone, I’d take 8 of him on D! Heck, 9 since he can pitch, too! Cheers El Tigre3232

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Crone may have mediocre range for a 2b, but as a 1b he has excellent range….he’ll probably be GG if he gets enough games at first

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        • DCartrow

          2 years ago

          If he was playing in Japan would you still want to crone Crone?

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Yes, but only if he’ll buy a Cataract to drive around there.

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        • Old timer 78

          2 years ago

          The Last several Games at 1B, but we Jake has been Superb digging the thrown Balls out if the DIRT. A lot of these bozos that post about not being worth the New Contract have never seen play multiple games.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        If you Watch cronenworth play on defense he is extremely good. I get someone can find a star that says he isn’t. I watch him play everyday and he is a very good or better defender.

        Mlb defensive stats to me are the most flawed stats of them all. Nobody that watches him play thinks he isn’t a good defender.

        Even watching him at 1st this year he has saved some many errors from picking balls already. That’s why the players voted him in to get he all star team. They see it as well, you don’t have to go look at some underlining stat. Sometimes you can just use your eyes.

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        • kc38

          2 years ago

          I mean I need to remind myself this is the same team that gave Hosmer a ton of money so I shouldn’t be shocked trying to see the fans defend a $80m first basemen who can’t hit and is actually not as good defensively as Hosmer

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        • Deleted Userrr

          2 years ago

          Cronenworth is 200x better defensively than Hosmer.

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        • jdgoat

          2 years ago

          I don’t think kc38 has ever watched Cronenworth play a game

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Obviously not, but he does make a good comedian! Thanks for the laughs, kc38!

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      • Now Yu Know

        2 years ago

        Do you actually watch the games, or are you just focused on stats?

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  6. Redstitch108* 2

    2 years ago

    Renfroe turned it around with the Red Sox and is now with the Halos. Dude mashes. Hopefully keeps it up and is an all-star. His swing comparisons to Mark McGwire are uncanny.

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      So are you saying he juices?

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  7. Sky14

    2 years ago

    The Ryan trade is payback for the Young-Garza deal.

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  8. Little Stevie Janowsky

    2 years ago

    Joe Ryan trade is a lot worse than this one lol

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  9. Tigers3232

    2 years ago

    I’m not sure how Randy A’s trajectory was altered. He only had 20 ABs as Cardinal and also did quite well in their minors. Yandy Diaz hit .300 in his 2 seasons and .300 ABs for CLE, again not seeing a huge shift there. Rasmussen yes, TB seemed to bring out much more in him.

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  10. jdgoat

    2 years ago

    Now that’s a pretty great steal by San Diego

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  11. Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

    2 years ago

    In Philly, we’re very happy with Jose Alvarado. His numbers were poor last year and he got exiled to AAA. The Pitcher Whisperer must have gotten into his ear because he’s been studly ever since.

    Gotta admit, I get a Mitch Williams flashback every time he takes the mound because I don’t know if the control issues he’s had every season in the past are gonna pop up and smack me in the kisser.

    Right now, he and Kimbrel are sharing closer duties with Seranthony waiting in the wings in case he’s needed. Pretty good bullpen Dombro built. We even have Soto, who saved 30 games with Detroit last year.

    The bullpen has been a roller coaster ride for the Phillies for a number of seasons. Looks like this year it ain’t gonna be a cause to reach for that bottle of Tums.

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    • stymeedone

      2 years ago

      When they signed Kimbrel, I remember all the Philly fans that tried to comfort themselves by saying how Kimbrel would not be used in save situations. Teams don’t pay closers that amount to not use them as closers. Probably causing some mixed feelings, cuz its working. I am sure they will turn quickly the moment he blows even one save. It is Philly after all.

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  12. VegasSDfan

    2 years ago

    Crone brings a lot of energy and excitement to the team. He got the extension for more than just his batting average.
    Small market team with a lot of attention on it because they spend money.
    Edward’s was the most obvious singles hitter with no power, ever.
    Pham with the Padres was terrible and the fans couldn’t stand him.

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  13. Carl W.

    2 years ago

    The Rays have a way of bringing out the best in some of these players. But I wonder if it’s not the sum or all the piece more than the individual players in these trades that makes it a win for the Rays.

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  14. Non Roster Invitee

    2 years ago

    The Crone-Zone dude!

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  15. davengmusic

    2 years ago

    I just came here to say the lead sentence in this article is one of the best I’ve read. Well done!

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  16. Player to be named in the future 2

    2 years ago

    Dude!

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  17. But It Do

    2 years ago

    “The best saving grace of the deal from Tampa’s perspective right now is that the player to be named later, Quiroz, had a nice season in 2021 and was flipped to the Cubs for Harold Ramírez.”

    What a mouthful of a sentence. Put Quiroz earlier. He’s the subject of the sentence and you’re buying him in the middle. Plus, setting his name off by two commas makes the whole sentence look ugly in addition to its confusingness.

    “The best saving grace of the deal from Tampa’s perspective right now is that Quiroz, the player to be named later, had a nice season in 2021 and was flipped to the Cubs for Harold Ramírez.”

    Now I can at least understand what you’re talking about more clearly.

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