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Orioles Acquire Jack Flaherty From Cardinals

By Darragh McDonald | August 1, 2023 at 4:52pm CDT

The Orioles have acquired right-hander Jack Flaherty from the Cardinals, per announcements from both clubs. Infielder César Prieto, left-hander Drew Rom and right-hander Zack Showalter are heading the other way.

Flaherty, 27, has seemed like a clear trade candidate for a while now. He’s an impending free agent on a Cardinals club that has struggled all year, currently sporting a record of 47-60 that has them 10 games out of a playoff spot. President of baseball operations John Mozeliak admitted about three weeks ago that the Cards would have to make moves aimed at improving their chances in 2024. With his impending free agency, Flaherty was one of the obvious pieces to go and recently received interest from clubs such as the Dodgers and Rays.

Not too long ago, Flaherty seemed to be a burgeoning ace in St. Louis. He tossed 151 innings over 28 starts in 2018, allowing 3.34 earned runs per nine innings. He followed that up with an even better showing in 2019, dropping his ERA to 2.75 in 196 1/3 over 33 starts. He struck out 29.9% of batters faced that year while walking just 7.1%, finishing fourth in the voting for National League Cy Young.

But it’s been a different story since then. He struggled in the shortened season by posting a 4.91 ERA in nine starts. The year after, he made multiple trips to the injured list, being sidelined by a left oblique issue and then a right shoulder strain and ultimately tossing 78 1/3 innings that year. Those shoulder issues lingered into 2022 and he was only able to throw 36 innings last year.

With all of those issues, he came into 2023 having only thrown 154 2/3 innings in the previous three years combined. That made him a fairly unknown quantity, but he has settled in somewhere in between his previous ace form and the more recent struggles. He’s stayed healthy all year, having taken the ball 20 times and logging 109 2/3 innings already, but with a 4.43 ERA that’s not terribly exciting. His 21.9% strikeout rate and 11.1% walk rate are both a few ticks worse than league averages, with his 44.6% ground ball rate only slightly better.

If one wanted to be more charitable, they could look to the fact that his results have gotten better over time, in a sense. He had a 6.29 ERA through the first week of May, thanks in part to a 10-run disaster against the Angels on May 4. Since then, he’s posted a much nicer 3.58 ERA over 75 1/3 innings. Any pitcher’s stats would look better if you removed their worst start, but with Flaherty’s limited workload in the previous three years, perhaps he was still getting into a groove.

The Orioles will seemingly be hoping that the charitable outlook on Flaherty is correct. They have shot up to the top of the American League with a 65-41 record, though mostly on the backs of their position players and bullpen. Their starting rotation has been an obvious weak point, with a collective 4.48 ERA that puts them 16th out of the 30 major league teams. They were connected to various starting pitchers from Justin Verlander, Michael Lorenzen and Shohei Ohtani but the deadline has now passed with Flaherty as their sole rotation upgrade.

The club recently optioned Tyler Wells, leaving them with a rotation of Kyle Gibson, Grayson Rodriguez, Dean Kremer and Kyle Bradish, with Flaherty added in. Bradish is the only one of that group with an ERA better than 4.40. They have shown they can win with this group, but it will be an interesting gambit come playoff time, when the front of a club’s rotation tends to become more important.

For the Cardinals, they have added many young players to their system this week by trading away Jordan Montgomery, Jordan Hicks, Paul DeJong, Génesis Cabrera and Flaherty. In this deal, they will add three more players to their system.

Prieto, 24, broke into the Cuban National Series as a teenager before signing with the Orioles in January of 2022. He split last year between High-A and Double-A, hitting .273/.314/.404 for a wRC+ of 96. This year, he’s hit .349/.393/.475 between Double-A and Triple-A, leading to a 132 wRC+. He’s played all three of the infield positions to the left of first base this year. Baseball America recently ranked him the #14 prospect in the Orioles’ system with FanGraphs putting him at #26.

Rom, 23, has been starting in Triple-A this year with a 5.34 ERA over 86 innings. He’s struck out 25.1% of batters while walking 11.5% and getting grounders at a 47.7% clip. It’s possible his .391 batting average on balls in play is pushing some extra runs across the board, leading to his 4.21 FIP. BA ranked him the #16 prospect in Baltimore’s system with FanGraphs at #30. Showalter, 19, was just drafted in the 11th round last year and has been pitching in the lower levels of Baltimore’s system this year.

For the Cardinals, this trade and the others have allowed them to stockpile some young talent as they look to reload for 2024. For the Orioles, this is their first competitive season since Mike Elias became the general manager in November of 2018. The club has generally been cautious in free agency in that time, having not given out any multi-year deals to free agents. Now their first deadline in buyer position has seen them acquire two rental pitchers in Flaherty and Shintaro Fujinami.

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported that the O’s were close to getting Flaherty. Francys Romero first had Prieto’s involvement. Jeff Passan of ESPN first had Rom while Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com added Showalter.

Images courtesy of USA Today Sports.

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166 Comments

  1. MilkyWhite

    2 years ago

    LES GO

    2
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    • Jaysfan1981

      2 years ago

      Who’s Les, and where’s he going?

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      • getrealgone2

        2 years ago

        Riding the Hamburger Train

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        • Ol’ Uncle Charlie

          2 years ago

          RIP, Pee Wee.

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        • fredziffel78

          2 years ago

          Reese?

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        • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

          2 years ago

          Golly Captain Carl…

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      • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

        2 years ago

        LGBTQ
        That’s where the LES GOES
        EIEIO
        RSVP
        Hail to the acronym

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      • nottinghamforest13

        2 years ago

        Les Grobstein.

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        • kma

          2 years ago

          AND PRINT IT!!!

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  2. Dbacks44

    2 years ago

    Smart move

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  3. King of Cards

    2 years ago

    Poor Orioles had to give up their prized prospects. Let’s see what the price was.

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    • kma

      2 years ago

      Another 40-45 FV guy.

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    • skinsfandfw

      2 years ago

      Judging by the standings, obviously you’ve got the term poor applied to the incorrect team.

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    • ba$eba||F@n21

      2 years ago

      Nowhere close to anything you proposed

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        I never proposed a Flaherty to Baltimore deal.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          No, you proposed stupidity.

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        • Easy$

          2 years ago

          Glad I’m not the only one sick of reading his nonsense

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          What did I propose?

          I proposed Montgomery and Goldschmidt for Cowser.

          You think I will lose sleep because that deal didn’t happen????

          Enjoy Flaherty. Hit or miss.

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    • RedFraggle

      2 years ago

      Prieto wasn’t a prized prospect. A good one, but nothing insurmountable.

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    • KingOmar

      2 years ago

      Rom, a middling Duquette draftee, and Prieto, a Cuban defector & international signee who was blocked at 2B anyways. Small price to pay. Dunno what your problem is.

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        I like the deal for the Orioles. Not too impressed with the return. I guess if we weren’t going to offer him arb this is better than nothing but not impressed with the return here. Seems like the Dodgers could have and should have beat this offer

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        • Gwynning

          2 years ago

          Flaherty is beyond Arb, he’s a pending FA.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Qualifying offer is what I meant. And i don’t think we were going to give him one it’s close but probably not

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        • BaseballGuy1

          2 years ago

          Correct…. will be a Dodger via FA signing after 2023. Orioles will not sign him via FA. Simply a rental pitcher.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          There wasn’t going to be a qualifying offer to Flaherty. He would have taken it and the Cardinals would have overpaid him.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          I wonder if they offered this to Detroit for E-Rod? Would have been better than what Detroit got, which is NOTHING!!!! Nice job, Harris!

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Tigers really dropped the ball. Work out a deal with a team on Rodriguez’ no trade clause and not ask him first? Yeah that’s dumb.

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        • dpsmith22

          2 years ago

          not impressed? you got more than for Montgomery. As an O’s fan, Elias failed, period.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          They didn’t announce Showalter until later so I like the deal more now. Showalter could be the best out of the 3 players acquired. We went for quantity over quality but all 3 guys are at least decent prospects so I kind of like the deal now.

          Flaherty is hit or miss. He’s decent I just think the Orioles should have done more.

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        • Shady mapleworth

          2 years ago

          you have a musclehead inflateable dont you .

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      • skinsfandfw

        2 years ago

        Getting rid of Rom opens up the 40 man spot. No big loss.

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    • mdbaseball05

      2 years ago

      Not sure why you thought they’d have to give up any prized prospects… Flaherty isn’t nearly what he once was. Looks like the return was the Orioles #16 and #18 ranked prospects in the system. Considering their 8th ranked prospect was #92 in the Top 100 overall, I’d say this return was pretty meh, which was to be expected.

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        I never suggested they would have to give up some top prospects. I never suggested Flaherty to Baltimore because I didn’t think it made sense. And I still don’t. I don’t think either team did all that great here.

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        • mrperkins

          2 years ago

          Ok, King of Cards. You are so wise. You were right and you are always right. And you never make actual level headed Cardinals fans (like me) cringe with your ridiculous comments and arrogance. Is that what you wanted to hear, your Eminence?

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          What is your deal man?

          I wasn’t right about anything here. I never suggested Flaherty to Baltimore not once. I don’t like the return for the Cardinals and I think the Orioles needed to get someone better too. I don’t really like this deal for either team a whole lot.

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        • KingOmar

          2 years ago

          King of Cards is a doh-doh. Obviously O’s were not willing to pay for Cease and lost out on Verlander, then whatever happened with the Tigers must have been a pretty serious misalignment, and plan D was to get ANY veteran starter that could at least hold water for minimal trade off.

          This is not the trade the O’s started the day wanting to make, I can guarantee that. This reeks of desperation to shore up the pitching staff. I would bet money that sellers knew the market was tight and were demanding foolish things like King of Cards’ ridiculous trade propositions for rentals, and Elias chose to hold onto his prizes and grab up a true stop-gap to round out the year.

          O’s have Means coming back anyways, and DL Hall could help in the pen. Bet Wells finishes the year in the pen too. God forbid Givens comes back healthy & effective, they’ll get an injection of three arms into the pen and two into the rotation… not bad.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          I agree this isn’t the trade the Orioles wanted to make. But it’s the one they made. Good luck in the postseason.

          You keep talking about some ridiculous trade proposals I made and that’s nonsense. Again here is the proposal I made

          Montgomery
          Goldschmidt

          For

          Cowser

          Now are you honestly telling me you are happier with the deal your team made as opposed to the one I suggested???

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        • Spoot8

          2 years ago

          The problem is that they wouldn’t give up Cowser for a rental, and a player they didn’t need. Yes, most teams would love to have Goldy, but he wasn’t a NEED. Not saying at all the O’Hearn is comparable to Goldy, but he’s provided enough to not have 1st as a need. You just kept proposing this over, and over, and over like we have Elias phone number on speed dial.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          The NEED was starting pitching and all you got was flaky Flaherty.

          I wont be proposing it anymore fella. Good luck in the postseason.

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        • Shady mapleworth

          2 years ago

          joel has a homoerotic crush on tyler o’neil

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        • skoorb

          2 years ago

          so far so good

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          As good as he’s looked all year I watched the game.

          I told you hes hit or miss.

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    • iverbure

      2 years ago

      What a god awful trade deadline for the Cardinals

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        You serious? Cardinals traded 5 rentals for all kinds of prospects. There were 5 guys that needed to go and all 5 were dealt and the returns in total were solid.

        Not a perfect deadline but pretty good. Especially since we don’t have much experience being sellers.

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        • Shady mapleworth

          2 years ago

          thank you mrs mo

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      • asdfgh

        2 years ago

        What a dumb take, and you would rather have held on to them for nothing during a season wasted? We got some arms for depth if you thought aces were coming back lol you need a real reality check. Nothing spectacular but Mo got arms. Free Agency and trade in offseason for an ace and another 2-3 starters

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        • iverbure

          2 years ago

          God awful

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    • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

      2 years ago

      Agreed KOC, Flaherty has had 1 full healthy year. Was this a pressure purchase for Balt?
      We’ll see, seems like a high price.

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  4. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    Good. The last player with an expiring contract.

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    • Four4fore

      2 years ago

      And they got 2 of the Orioles top 30. Something for nothing.

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      • CardsFan57

        2 years ago

        Nice return given the value of Flaherty.

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  5. dmbphils27

    2 years ago

    O!

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  6. Wheeler Dealer

    2 years ago

    I still don’t see why buyers wait until last minute

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    • cadagan

      2 years ago

      Sellers often wait toward the end to get all the offers. Then pick the best offer.

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      • In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

        2 years ago

        It didn’t work for Yu Darvish, though.

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  7. showmebb

    2 years ago

    Prepare to be underwhelmed.

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    • Walker4daWinn

      2 years ago

      Underwhelming return but better then nothing. Was hoping more so dl hall and jud fabian. What we got back isn’t that but it’s not horrible either.

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  8. Milwaukee-2208

    2 years ago

    Massive L

    Os have so many prospects to go all in for a big pitcher. This dudes so up and down

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    • jdizzle ATL Braves

      2 years ago

      100%!!!!!!!! exactly what I am thinking. Should’ve ponied up and got Cease!!!!

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      • FrankEttingChiSox

        2 years ago

        As a White Sox fan – I agree

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        • Milwaukee-2208

          2 years ago

          Yanks suck. Red Sox are mid, and nobody trusts the blue jays. They have a clear shot to make a damn World Series run in the AL east!!

          Go for it!!

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      • ba$eba||F@n21

        2 years ago

        The problem was that there were several things floating around that said Chicago wanted Holliday. The Orioles are not trading the number 1 prospect in baseball for 2 years of Cease, or likely anyone else for that matter. He is moving through the system much faster than anticipated and I can’t see a scenario where he’s not in the show sometime in 2024, even if it is just for September roster expansion. He’s as much part of the nucleus as Adley, Gunnar and GRod.

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  9. BrettPhillips for Prezident

    2 years ago

    Good trade. Hoping the best for him.

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  10. KingOmar

    2 years ago

    Noooo. I know he’s only 27 but cmon, dude is as fragile as glass and the O’s need a front-end bulldog, not a 4.5 ERA porcelain doll

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    • King of Cards

      2 years ago

      You didn’t give up much for him. But yeah he’s more boom or bust not a guy you can totally trust out there. If his commend is there he’s good if it’s not he’s not.

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    • DH873

      2 years ago

      He’s been better than 3 or 4 of the guys who’ve started a significant number of games for the O’s. Elias loves those incremental upgrades and so far it has worked. Still get to add Means as well. If Grayson keeps performing and Means is even decent, the rotation should be decent and this addition can certainly help.

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        The Orioles rotation isn’t good so yeah this will help for sure.

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      • KingOmar

        2 years ago

        What? Stupid comment. Gibson has better numbers and more durability than Flaherty. Bradish is far & away a more effective pitcher right now than Flaherty. Wells was, until those last three outings. GrayRod has so much talent that saying he’s worse than Flaherty post-recall would be laughable. So that means Flaherty is better than… Kremer. Wooooooo!

        O’s starters don’t suck. Again King of Cards drops a turd of a comment. They’re just young & all reaching career highs in IP at the same time. Bradish was a rookie last year, Wells was a sophomore last year (and first year in the rotation after TJ, Covid lost year, and a Rule 5 bullpen year). GrayRod is a rookie this year…

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        • Sportsmutt

          2 years ago

          Dude, wtf? Chill out. “Isn’t so good”
          “This will help” are just very vague non specific opinions. Go ahead and state your case, but don’t have an aneurysm.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          O’s rotation depth is thin. They don’t “suck” but they’re young guys and the season is wearing on. We needed another arm. I believe we can get more out of Flaherty. That’s what we do.

          He still has good stuff. Excited about the move. Would’ve loved another arm for the pen but we’ll roll w/ what we have.

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        • jc11986

          2 years ago

          Flaherty isn’t a upgrade over any of the starters they already have. He’s just a veteran to come in to help with the innings this late in thr year. I think we overpaid. I don’t see why it should of taken more then prieto.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          Looked like a pretty nice upgrade yesterday. He’s a better pitcher than Dean Kremer at the absolute least. This was a good and necessary grab.

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  11. mlbdodgerfan2015

    2 years ago

    Dodgers getting shutout today on the SP acquisition front.

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    • Butter Biscuits

      2 years ago

      We could have jumped in here easily I don’t get it

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  12. Spoot8

    2 years ago

    What is the return package though? Anyone see yet?

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  13. sss847

    2 years ago

    price on Cease must have been really high

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    • Spotswood

      2 years ago

      And not worth it.

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    • djost

      2 years ago

      I think the White Sox dangled him at the 11th hour in hopes that some GM would panic and offer a massive overpay, didn’t happen.
      The guys on the Just Baseball Fans pod offered up their idea of a fair O’s trade for Cease. It was Kjerstad, Ortiz and Stowers. Which I would have done if I was Elias, but obviously the Sox were probably asking for Holliday, Westburg, Cowser and they are essentially untouchables.

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      • Spotswood

        2 years ago

        Yep… Likely trying to catch a desperate team that needed starting pitching but missed on other targets.

        I’d take him, but I think this year and the other 3 like it are closer to who he is than ’22.

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  14. GM

    2 years ago

    C’mon Mo! One time, make us extremely proud!

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  15. n2thecards

    2 years ago

    who do the think they’re sending to STL?

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    • Cardsfan21

      2 years ago

      I’m guessing it is the two prospects they specifically named in the article.

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      • AceKing

        2 years ago

        You have never been on this site before, huh?

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  16. DCartrow

    2 years ago

    A mistake.

    Middling pitcher at best.

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      Wrong.

      Orioles pitching coaches will be on him.

      Leaving that screwed up totally unprofessional operation for one of the best organizations in MLB. Plus Mr. Flaherty will be pitching in front of one of the best defenses in MLB; and throwing to one of the best catchers after throwing to very possibly the worst.

      This Orioles administration buys low and reworks the player. Hicks, O’Hearn, Cano and Frazier will be welcoming him aboard.

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      • Cardsfan21

        2 years ago

        I hate that you’re probably right here.

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      • DFAed in Gaffa

        2 years ago

        The Cardinals are a “screwed up totally unprofessional operation?” Not according to reality. They’re having a rare down year, but they give their fans a playoff race every year. They’re a model franchise.

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      • hollowbody

        2 years ago

        Such a dumb comment. This is the Cardinals first losing season (presumably) in 23 years. They’ve made the playoffs 16 times in that span. Meanwhile, the Orioles have 4 winning seasons and 3 playoff appearances in that stretch.

        STL has been drafting SUPER late in the draft for two decades thanks to consistent winning. They’ve had crappy sequencing luck this season, AND they’ve been due for a reload for some time.

        The Orioles are just barely sniffing playoff contention, mostly because more successful teams happen to be in a downswing in 2023.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          DFAed in Gaffa & hollowbody;

          I was a huge Cardinals fan for decades. They have the best fans in MLB, and for years had terrific organizations. But at times they went downhill – and needed a Whitey Herzog or Tony La Russa / Walt Jocketty to straighten out a mess. While it took some years to do so the team contended for many more.

          John Mozeliak inherited a great organization. He’s slowly changed it and has run it into the ground. This is no longer a smart team playing smart baseball. Yes, they made the playoffs 4 seasons in a row before his year. But the last 3 they couldn’t get out of the first round….whereby with extended playoffs 33.3% and now 40% of teams make the playoffs – hardly the sign of excellence….and note how the team fell out this year as the schedules were changed to play far more games out of their division, and the Cardinals have been in a weak division for years.

          They have a lot of nice players. Interchangeable. But few step out for any length of time. Mr. Flaherty got dumped on this year. Fine. This is a sign of losing organizations where some of their fans have to jump on a few players that are underperforming as if they caused it.

          I’ve been watching MLB for well over 60 years. By ‘an large the Cardinals have been one of the best run MLB franchises in many of those years. Organizations matter – they can make or break individual players. I have a deep disregard for John Mozeliak. I believe he wants to be some sort of seminal FO guy, but he doesn’t have the ability to do so and knows it. For a team based so much on pitching, the signing of Willson Contreras was mind-boggling to me…..and even more so to replace Yadi – the best overall Catcher of his generation. Mozeliak knew Yadi’s time was limited for the previous 3 years. He developed no one and was caught flat-footed when he had to replace him. Yadi had far more to do with the Cardinals success in the 4 years of making the playoffs than Mozeliak did. In fact, before riding Yadi’s coattails Mozeliak rode Jeff Luhnow’s.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          Heavens, Mozeliak pushed Mike Shildt out, replaced him with Oliver Marmol, and lost Mike Maddox as a pitching coach.

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        • hollowbody

          2 years ago

          Mozeliak has been running this show without Luhnow for 12 years and has made the playoffs in eight of those years. Luhnow went off to the Astros and essentially got himself banned from baseball.

          Surely you realize that the “They can’t make it out of the first round” argument is VERY suspect, given that any given series (playoffs or no) is a total crapshoot, especially in the first round. The Pirates can beat the Dodgers in a 5-game series just with small sample size luck. Otherwise, the Dodgers would already have 5 championships by now.

          And I’ll say again: if you’re as successful as the Cardinals have been for the past two decades, you’re probably due for a reload/reshuffle season at some point, given that consistent winning means consistently low draft pick slots.

          And the Cardinals very well could have had the perfect replacement for Yadi in Sean Murphy. By all reports, the Cardinals made a much better offer for Murphy than the Braves did, but the Athletics asked for the moon. So the Cardinals pivoted so they wouldn’t be left without a catcher. Later, the Athletics revealed they had totally overplayed their hand and had to take an inferior offer from the Braves. I don’t like how the Contreras situation played out, but it’s not as if Mo was like, “This guy’s PERFECT! He’s everything we could ever want it in a catcher!” He was simply what was available for a semi-palatable price.

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        • Samuel

          2 years ago

          hollowbody;

          I’ll write it again because you didn’t get it…..

          Making the playoffs in all pro team sports in America is really no big deal today. In MLB 33-1/3% made it for years, now 40%. In a league of 15, 6 teams make the playoffs. Whoopie! At least 2 are rebuilding, 2 are crummy operations, and 2 sufferer major long-term injuries to multiple players that they depended on that year. That leaves somewhere around 9 teams competing for 6 spots – hardly a great accomplishment.

          As for the playoffs being a “crapshoot” – that’s for people that don’t understand the game and want to make excuses because they can’t comprehend what’s going on. Professional MLB FO’s are forever looking at scenarios and preparing for the future….and that includes teams TODAY – August 1 – that are in playoff contention doing what-if’s as to how their roster can be set depending on which teams that may face in the playoffs, and what sort of strategies / matchup’s they’ll use.

          FO’s / managers / coaches aren’t paid to run the 162 game season, and then what happens in the playoffs happens. They’re paid to run right through the playoffs and to plan for them in advance.

          Only kids think that come the playoffs the umpire rolls out the ball and teams go at it – so if something they didn’t think could possibly happen does, then they have an excuse.

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        • hollowbody

          2 years ago

          Yeah, you’re repeating the same baseless point. I understand what you’re saying! You’re just wrong. And super condescending.

          The 2011 Cardinals weren’t as good as the 2004 Cardinals. They got lucky at the right time, which is what it takes to win a World Series: getting into the playoffs, and then getting lucky at the right time.

          It’s not as if the 2004 Cardinals didn’t adequately prepare for their series matchup against the Red Sox. Of course, they prepared! All 30 MLB teams have sophisticated resources and processes to prepare their players to succeed, and yet the best team only wins something like 60% of the time, no matter how much they prepare. The 2004 Cardinals0 ran into some bad luck/sequencing/timing at the worst possible time. Meanwhile, the 2011 Cardinals had the opposite experience.

          That’s why we play 162 games in baseball in the regular season: it takes FOREVER for results to stabilize to an accurate representation of talent level. But the playoffs will ALWAYS be a small sample size, and therefore a crapshoot, by their very nature. Prepare all you want, but the better of the two teams still only has the slimmest advantage over the the lesser team in a 5-game series (much less a 3-game series). Nearly half the time, the worse team (in terms of talent) wins. That’s just statistics.

          If you just happen to have a weird, baseless belief that the Cardinals FO and staff are uniquely lazy in preparing for playoff series, I don’t know what to tell you. There’s no evidence to back up that claim, and you smugly claiming to understand the intricate nuances of the game because you’ve watched the Cardinals since 1904 doesn’t make the claim any more valid.

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        • CujoMarlin

          2 years ago

          Is it any sort of accomplishment to you to win the division 9 times in the last 19 seasons? Only 4 WC berths in that time.

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        • DFAed in Gaffa

          2 years ago

          No, the playoffs really are a crapshoot, and the Cardinals provide a perfect example of that. In 2004 and 2005 they had the best regular season record in baseball but lost In the postseason. In 2006 they limped into the playoffs as probably the worst postseason team in the history of baseball and ended up winning the World Series in five games. So there’s that.

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        • CujoMarlin

          2 years ago

          That is a completely different point than what I wrote. They guy wrote that it’s easy to make the playoffs because of the continuous addition of more WC berths over the years. I wrote that STL has won their division in 9 of their 13 playoff berths, so not relying on WC much.

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  17. King Floch

    2 years ago

    Pretty meh after the Dylan Cease buzz on social media over the last hour or two. Hopefully the return is minimal. Should be pretty light considering his mediocrity over the last 2 years.

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    • skinsfandfw

      2 years ago

      Prieto. I’ll take it. Wise use of resources.

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    • King Floch

      2 years ago

      Apparently it’s Cesar Prieto, which seems like an overpay for 2 months of a guy with a 4.50ish ERA and 1.55 WHIP, but he was blocked 3 times over here, so I guess it’s fine.

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      • King Floch

        2 years ago

        Nm, it’s actually Prieto and Drew Rom. Definitely an overpay then.

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      • skinsfandfw

        2 years ago

        Prieto was going to be a 40 man decision soon. He can hit a bit, but not much else to offer. Moving Rom opens a 40 man spot for Flaherty. He wasn’t progressing or developing anymore, so I don’t think either player will be missed.

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        • King Floch

          2 years ago

          It’s fine, I guess. If nothing else, it will probably be well-received in the clubhouse.

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        • Ra

          2 years ago

          December 2025 is not “soon.” Prieto would not have needed to have been added to the 40 before them.

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        • skinsfandfw

          2 years ago

          For some reason I thought he needed to be added after next season (Dec ‘24). Either way, no room for him in Baltimore with the current ML roster options and other prospects he’s behind.

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  18. AceKing

    2 years ago

    Fallback. This is OK

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  19. tominco

    2 years ago

    There was no way he was going to resign with the Cardinals. I just hope they got something in return who can contribute in ’24.

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    • jbc2570

      2 years ago

      I love how people expect tto get something good for 2 months of rental that isn’t even really good, just okay at best.

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  20. lloyd_christmas

    2 years ago

    see yall in the bird baf!!!

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  21. User 899214610

    2 years ago

    Damn, wow guy didn’t get here in time

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  22. Spoot8

    2 years ago

    Prieto

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    • AceKing

      2 years ago

      He is a GREAT hitter. Blocked here. Good for him.

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      • Spoot8

        2 years ago

        Rom too!

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  23. bus035

    2 years ago

    Cesar Prieto is awesome! So underrated. Cards fans should love him. Solid trade for both teams

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    • C Yards Jeff

      2 years ago

      Professional hitter. Has an idea each at bat.

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  24. skinsfandfw

    2 years ago

    Good move by Elias. Very low risk and low return value for Flaherty. Prieto can hit…but that’s about t. Has no power. Average-ish speed. Decent eye at the plate. Very ‘meh’ defensively and likely tethered to second base. Going on 25 and had zero future in Baltimore.

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    • skinsfandfw

      2 years ago

      Rom added right after I typed this. No big loss either. He stopped developing after he got hurt.

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      • CityofChampions

        2 years ago

        Rom was maxed out. His stuff is below average. Not a loss. Not an Elias guy either.

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        • King of Cards

          2 years ago

          Is Showalter an Elias guy?

          I think he’s the prize of the deal.

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    • Ra

      2 years ago

      Teams find room for guys like Prieto who can hit. Also, he just turned 24. Fellow Cuban defector finally found success at age 29. Sometimes, age is not the defining factor of future success.

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      • King of Cards

        2 years ago

        Cuban guys can het behind in their developmental curve with having to defect. It appears he’s a big leaguer maybe not a great one but a utility guy and thats cool Cardinals like those kind of guys. To me Saggese and Prieto will replace Edman and Donovan thats the way it looks.

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  25. cmlosiewicz

    2 years ago

    Decent rental for Prieto and Rom. Not mad at all

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  26. Moneyballer

    2 years ago

    Anyone else see Drew Rom and think Drew Romo?

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    • Edp007

      2 years ago

      I thought of CD Rom

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      • n2thecards

        2 years ago

        thought of RomCom

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  27. acoss13

    2 years ago

    Good trade for the Cardinals and Orioles, just wish it had been Cease. Would have loved to get some of those nice prospects from the Orioles farm.

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  28. FrontOfficeStan

    2 years ago

    I was going through everyone in the Orioles system and they have so many hitters it’s crazy. Don’t know anything about Prieto but he probably makes our top 5 list I’m guessing.

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  29. Slider_withcheese

    2 years ago

    Just what the cardinals need. Even more middle infielders. 6 people for two bases. Idiot organization

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    • hollowbody

      2 years ago

      Edman and Gorman are the only middle infielders we have on the active roster, right now? We traded Dejong, and they announced Donovan is out for the season. Dumb comment.

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    • DFAed in Gaffa

      2 years ago

      “Idiot organization” that draws well despite it’s small market and gives its fans a pennant race every year (OK, not this year).

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      • Slider_withcheese

        2 years ago

        That fever is just Malaria from living in St. Louis

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        • DFAed in Gaffa

          2 years ago

          You make that comment without the benefit of any actual knowledge.

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  30. n2thecards

    2 years ago

    Baltimore gets a decent starter for their playoff run and St Louis gets a decent middle infielder as well as an LHP for next year’s pen. Seems like a good trade for both sides.

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  31. Bobby Mongan

    2 years ago

    There are a lot of Prieto’s in the Oriole system and many of them are better or will be. Bottom line they did not over pay for a rental.

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  32. Jesse Chavez enthusiast

    2 years ago

    Let’s go Orioles, happy for you guys!

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    • revolver

      2 years ago

      Garbage in. Garbage out.

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        2 years ago

        Are you referring to yourself?

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  33. nottinghamforest13

    2 years ago

    The city of Baltimore has numerous social issues for Jack to share his unsolicited viewpoints on. Let’s sit back and hear what his feelings are on the proposed grain pier.

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  34. Spoot8

    2 years ago

    Another positive here is that the Os still have some great trade chips for this off-season. For what would have had to be given up, I’m not upset with the trades for Fuji and Flaherty. Another reliever would have been nice, but I’m assuming Means works out of the bullpen when he comes back for the rest of the year.

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  35. Mario93

    2 years ago

    Solid move, and maybe not much to give up at all. Depth pitcher and one legit prospect who seems to hit very well in Prieto. But if you look at Flaherty, he’s far from special this season, he’s not an ace, more so a solid starter. He has a better era than Kyle Gibson, but Gibson actually has a better fip than Flaherty. Both guys have era’s in the 4’s.

    O’s got a decent/solid starter who’s overrated for what he’s done in the past. For what they gave up though I don’t have a problem with it all that much. Me being the frugal type, I’m not sure if Flaherty is the rental I would’ve sacrificed a prospect for, but again, it definitely makes sense for a team at the top of the AL East right now.

    The Prieto kid really seems like he can hit though looking at his numbers.. hopefully this won’t come back to haunt them. Me being a jays fan I’m unsure how that roster is set up, but Frazier is believe is a free agent at the end of the year. Prieto couldn’t get some at bats at 2B next year ? O’s fans would know better. In all, you have to give up something to get something, O’s got a solid pitcher.

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    • Spoot8

      2 years ago

      Not with Westburg and Ortiz (assuming he’s not traded this off-season). Prieto can hit, but not much pop, and the arm isn’t there to move around the infield, so he’s pretty much locked at 2nd. That being said, I like Prieto, but I’m not upset with the trade.

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      • Mario93

        2 years ago

        Thanks

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    • skinsfandfw

      2 years ago

      I’m more upset they gave up Showalter. He showed some promise as a 19 yr old SP in full season ball.

      Prieto can hit and has a decent eye at the plate but doesn’t do much else for you. I don’t think either he or Rom will be missed.

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      • djost

        2 years ago

        I hear you. He was a pretty decent over slot HS pick last year, $450,000. Total lottery ticket that I would have liked to keep.

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  36. philbosanquet

    2 years ago

    Love this return for Flaherty.

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  37. scruffmcgruff

    2 years ago

    A solid gamble in my opinion, you don’t give up so very much that it hurts and you get a guy who has been really good before. Hopefully the O’s staff can sort out his inflated WHIP.

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  38. skinsfandfw

    2 years ago

    Now that I see Showalter was included also, I’m not really a fan of the move. Sellers market for sure. Of course, if Flaherty wins us some playoff games, I’ll change my mind.

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  39. Thornton Mellon

    2 years ago

    I give it a B-minus. Not much was given up. Flaherty is the #2 starter immediately, if he holds up he’s a help down the stretch. Gibson-esque #’s overall but with better upside though always the health question. If this guy puts in a few good starts down the stretch leading to some W’s before someone pays him next year, he did what was expected.

    Better options (Cease, E Rod, Verlander) were available so I can’t give any higher a grade. They were unwilling to pay up or they were outbid. I think the Blue Jays and Tampa more actively tried to prepare for the stretch run – note that doesn’t necessarily mean “better” just that they did more.

    Picking up one middle reliever and basically replacing Wells (not counting the high-A player they picked up for the DFA) – that’s questionable in terms of doing enough to prepare for a stretch run when all your other starters are pretty stretched out on innings for the year and middle relief otherwise shaky. Still 1/3 of the season to go.

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  40. O'sSayCanYouSee

    2 years ago

    The best team in the AL got 1 pitcher, of unknown ability.

    Fail.

    Elias is a genius, and has made sensational moves for years. But this was a big fail.

    O.R.I.O.L.E.S!

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    • skinsfandfw

      2 years ago

      So you don’t trust Elias? You call him a genius for his sensational moves and then turn right around and call this a fail. We won’t know if it was a fail, or success, until November.

      Since you disagree, what would you have done?

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      • O'sSayCanYouSee

        2 years ago

        Skins — I don’t trust Elias, like you can’t read.

        Even Elias said he took some big swings at other trades that didn’t come through, so even he knows Jack Flaherty isn’t what makes the Orioles better.

        Since you agree, sell me on the exceptional nature of Jack Flaherty.

        ((Btw, Cesar Prieto .349/.393/.477/.870 and a K% of 7.6??!?!))

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        • Thornton Mellon

          2 years ago

          O’s
          To judge Elias “big swings” what did our competitors give up for what they got?
          Houston got Verlander for this year and at least 2024 for a couple basically AA guys. Promising guys but certainly not a Holliday. Clifford sounds like he could resemble Kjerstad but not as far along (Kjerstad is crushing it in AA while Clifford is moving up to AA) though Clifford is several years younger. Houston got more value than the Orioles did for 2023 and 2024.
          Rangers picked up Montgomery who I’d rate higher than Flaherty, took a flyer on Scherzer, and got 2 bullpen arms and a backup catcher. Gave up a young but so far middling AA pitcher, a promising AA MIF, and a couple other guys obviously considered spare parts to trade away. The Rangers are going for it.
          AL West race will be very interesting down the stretch.
          Rays got Civale (at least slightly better than Flaherty, if not significantly better, plus has team control), relief help, They gave up a 1B who I would say is lesser than Kjerstad. So they got a little more than the Orioles without giving up too much.
          Jays took a hit with BIchette injury, but got a fill in instead of putting in a guy like Mateo like the Orioles would have done. They did what they had to do. But the Jays already had a bit better offense and definitely a stronger rotation than the Orioles that will hold up better for the stretch run.
          If the Red Sox and Yankees were trying to compete, not overly impressed with their moves.
          Houston and the Rangers both definitely lapped Elias. I’d say Tampa outdid the Orioles and the Jays are a better team on paper despite what the standings currently say.

          For what the Orioles DID, I’d give it a B-minus for not giving up much. But compared to the other teams they’re racing to the wire I’m disappointed.

          So if Civale would have cost Kjerstad, given his team control, is that too high a price to pay? That’s the only part we’re missing – the ask.

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      • Domingo111

        2 years ago

        I do think Elias did a great job overall but I think he is a bit much attached to some prospects.

        Not saying they should go all in but some of the prospects are in their mid 20s (ortiz, westburg, kjerstad) and probably at their peak value.

        Flaherty is a good get even though in the AL east he probably is a 4.5 Era pitcher but so many of the Os pitchers are at or near their career high in IP so they could have used another 2-3 type of starter.

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        • O'sSayCanYouSee

          2 years ago

          Domingo111 — I’m sure Elias is attached to the prospects, and he should be. And yeah, seeing what other teams gave up in trades, it does seem that way. There are a massive amount of unknowns.

          I get the peak value thing too.

          Maybe Jake is great, maybe he’s blah. It won’t hurt the O’s either way….in the regular season.

          But I don’t think a #2 or #3 was the target, nor should have been.

          The deadline is about the Post Season, and SP is supreme in October. Verlander and Max will likely stand in the Orioles way to the WS. Between the SP that did move, and those that didn’t before the deadline, there was a better option than Jake..and at “costs” that should have be within the “budget” of a Trade deadline deal. It would appear anyway.

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        • Ra

          2 years ago

          Is Elias making Flaherty change his first name for his tenure in Baltimore. Does “Jake” have more swagger than “Jack?” Have you stumbled upon the “secret sauce” that has helped the Orioles staff turn around other pitchers?

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        • O'sSayCanYouSee

          2 years ago

          Ra–Oh that’s clever. How’s that working for you?

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        • Domingo111

          2 years ago

          Yeah I can understand that.

          The issue I see is that the orioles minor league pitching is improving but still grayson likely is the only 1-3 starter that will come up until 2026.

          That means the orioles will need to trade for a TOR starter with 2-3 years of control anyway, so why not do that already this year when they are leaving the AL and most of their key hitters except for holliday are already up?

          Dylan cease would have fit that timeline perfectly as he is a free agent in 2026.

          The orioles will have to spend that prospect capital anyway so will The price be that much lower next offseason that it justifies compromising the 2023 playoff run?

          I would have offered the white Sox kjerstad, westburg, norby and one of ortiz and cowser for giolito (before the angels got him), cease and a reliever.

          Yes that would have been a big price but I feel westburg, norby and kjerstad won’t be starters on that strong roster anyway and then Elias could have decided which of cowser and ortiz he sees as more of a future piece and those pitchers probably would have brought the Os pitching to the same level as the rangers,Astros and rays are.

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        • O'sSayCanYouSee

          2 years ago

          Domingo111 — Exactly as I saw it. Orioles have need a TOR from the off season. It wasn’t addressed then, nor now when it Really needed to be addressed.

          Controllable TOR candidates are out there, and the Orioles have the currency of players to aquire them.

          Personally I’m a BIG fan of Kjerstad, and think he and Holliday are the only untouchables, but that’s just my opinion.

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        • Thornton Mellon

          2 years ago

          Domingo
          I agree with your take on the pitching. Grayson Rodriguez right now is the only top half of the rotation candidate who is here/within a year or two. The Orioles have had/still need rotation help. I pointed out in another post that the Astros during 2015-19 run started with a couple of home grown guys and then went out and got the SP’s to get them from 86 wins to 100+. Until I see it happen I will continue to think the Orioles will never make that step from fringe competitor to dominant.
          Not all of the position prospects are going to be able to play in MLB, so someone – either prospects or some of the guys like Mountcastle or Hays or Santander – will need to go.
          This isn’t a new phenomenon. When they traded Eddie Murray in 1988 the Dodgers wouldn’t give up Mike Devereaux so they got Juan Bell who was a shortstop prospect….to come to the only MLB team where the SS had not missed a game in 6 years and wouldn’t miss another one for 12 more. They didn’t then flip Bell for more value, they kept him until his value disintegrated then got nothing for him after he added no value to the team.

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    • Baller4mlb

      2 years ago

      The pirates did something similar in acquiring JA Happ during the ‘15 deadline and look how that turned out? He had middling success with the mariners before the trade. Time will tell

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    • Ra

      2 years ago

      I am guessing you are a Warehouse employee with insight into which trades were proposed by all the teams Elias was in conversation with. As an outsider, I don’t know whether Mike failed or succeeded since I don’t know any of the other trade proposals.

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      • O'sSayCanYouSee

        2 years ago

        Ra — Elias himself said, before the game yesterday, he swung and missed at other trades.

        When you try do something, but don’t accomplish it, what is that called?

        All those other trades that did/didn’t happen were reported on this website and other channels such as MLB network, ESPN, etc.

        “I’m guessing you are a Warehouse employee”… seriously?! Love that attitude, real charming from Charm City.

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  41. case

    2 years ago

    Solid acquisition for making the playoff push but not gonna move the needle for success in the postseason.

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  42. YourDreamGM

    2 years ago

    A for STL. Market wasn’t hot on Jack and they got 3 top 30 guys for some systems. Looks like a good hitting utility 2b 3b. Some depth arms. Nothing thrilling but made the best of it. Floor over upside.

    C for BAL. Case said it. Not a scary playoff arm. Felt like they needed that over ok. Didn’t give up anyone painful. Baltimore can out develop STL though. Enough time before playoffs? This could be a A for them.

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  43. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    It will be interesting to see what happens with both Prieto and Winn in Memphis.

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  44. JosephK

    2 years ago

    What is Flaherty’s first start with the Orioles?

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    • Thornton Mellon

      2 years ago

      JosephK I think he starts tonight (Thursday 8/3)

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