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Looking For A Match In A Sonny Gray Trade

By Nick Deeds | October 18, 2025 at 8:41pm CDT

The Cardinals are entering what could be a multi-year rebuilding period where they focus more on strengthening their farm system and player development apparatus than winning games at the major league level. That’s a pivot that started last winter, but a number of key veteran players with no-trade clauses wanted to stick with the organization for the 2025 season and try to win in St. Louis. With a 78-84 season in the books and Chaim Bloom having now officially taken over John Mozeliak’s spot atop the baseball operations department, however, those same veterans are softening their stance about the possibility of a trade.

Perhaps the most interesting of those veteran is right-hander Sonny Gray, who is entering the final year of his contract in 2026. Gray is coming off a down season and will turn 36 in November, but his 4.28 ERA in 32 starts this year was still right around league average with much stronger peripheral numbers than that. He struck out 26.7% of his opponents, walked just 5.0%, and had the sixth-lowest SIERA in baseball among qualified starters this year with a 3.29 figure that clocked in behind only Tarik Skubal, Garrett Crochet, Cristopher Sanchez, Paul Skenes, and Logan Webb.

That’s good company to keep, considering that all five of those players well might end up as finalists for their respective league’s Cy Young award this year, and should help to assuage concerns about Gray’s ability to compete at a high level in his mid-30s. Few pitchers have a recent track record more impressive than the veteran right-hander, all things considered. In 116 starts since the beginning of the 2022 season, Gray has a 3.53 ERA, a 26.6% strikeout rate, and a 3.17 FIP in 650 2/3 innings of work. It’s the sort of production that virtually any team could use in their rotation, but there are complicating factors in considering a trade for Gray.

The right-hander has a full no-trade clause that he has the ability to wield as he sees fit, and Gray is due a $35MM salary in 2026 with a $5MM buyout on a 2027 mutual option. That’s a hefty salary that a good number of clubs simply won’t be able to stomach, and the fact that Gray has shown a preference for pitching in smaller markets throughout his career could mean he’d wield his no-trade clause against some of the larger market franchises that could stomach his salary. The Cardinals are open to paying down salary in trades this winter, but it’s unclear if they’d be willing to pay down enough of it to get smaller market clubs into the mix for Gray’s services.

Which clubs are the best fits for St. Louis’s veteran hurler? Here’s a look at nine potential suitors, listed alphabetically within tiers:

Best Fits

  • Braves: One of the clear best fits for Gray’s services is Atlanta, who were reportedly in on Gray when he was a free agent two offseasons ago. Since then, the Braves have struggled to stay healthy and even fell out of the playoff picture this year due in large part to a rotation that was desperately missing Max Fried’s stabilizing presence after he left for the Yankees last winter. Atlanta has never been the sort of club to go out and spend hundreds of millions on an ace in free agency, so unless they change course this year they’ll need to get creative to add some certainty to a rotation that saw all of its established starters spend significant time on the injured list this year. Bringing Gray into the fold could be just that sort of creativity, and Alex Anthopoulos has long been comfortable bringing in veterans (like Marcell Ozuna, Josh Donaldson, and Charlie Morton) on short-term deals with high salaries.
  • Giants: The Giants are going to need more than just Logan Webb, Robbie Ray, and Landen Roupp in their rotation next year, and Gray would make plenty of sense for that role. Gray was actually connected to San Francisco back in September as a potential trade target. Some of that report was based on Gray’s connection with former Giants manager Bob Melvin, who has since been fired, but the Giants are still one of the few clubs that could stomach most of Gray’s salary within their expected budget. Gray also had plenty of success pitching for the A’s in Oakland, so a return to the Bay Area might have appeal to him even without Melvin in the fold.
  • Orioles: The Orioles, much like the Braves, found themselves pushed out of contention early this year due in large part to a lack of pitching depth. There’s virtually no certainty in the club’s 2026 rotation outside of Trevor Rogers, and president of baseball operations Mike Elias has shown a strong preference towards short-term additions when bringing in players who make significant dollars. That could make Gray a sensible fit following a season where Baltimore paid more than $41MM combined to Tomoyuki Sugano, Zach Eflin, and Morton for lackluster performances. While the Orioles are a lower budget club than most of the teams mentioned here, St. Louis’s willingness to eat salary could make Gray less of a financial burden than comparable arms in free agency.

Next Tier Down

  • Athletics: Gray played for the Athletics in Oakland for parts of five seasons after they took him 18th overall in the 2011 draft. In that time, he posted a 3.42 ERA and 3.56 FIP across 705 innings of work. Gray was eventually dealt to the Yankees, and in the years since then the A’s have been uprooted from Oakland and moved to West Sacramento. That move came with a raised payroll and a more sincere attempt to compete than previous rebuilding years, however, and a hitting core of Nick Kurtz, Jacob Wilson, Brent Rooker, Shea Langeliers, and Tyler Soderstrom looks ready to compete in the playoffs. What they’ll need to make that happen is pitching, and Gray has front-of-the-rotation upside and experience playing in unfriendly pitching environments like Cincinnati’s Great American Ballpark. Perhaps if Gray was available last offseason, the A’s would’ve been a more sensible fit, but as it stands it’s unclear if the A’s intend to continue scaling up payroll after last season’s spending brought them an 86-loss campaign.
  • Padres: No team comes to mind more quickly than the Padres when discussing creative trade proposals, and that’s entirely thanks to the efforts of president of baseball operations A.J. Preller. Preller is by far the most active and aggressive executive in baseball, and this winter he’ll be tasked with replacing Dylan Cease and Michael King at the top of the rotation despite a relative lack of budget space. Adding someone like Gray to the rotation alongside Nick Pivetta, Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish, Randy Vasquez, and JP Sears would be a huge help in stabilizing things, but there are clear obstacles here. For one thing, the Cardinals would likely need to be willing to eat the overwhelming majority of Gray’s salary in order to facilitate a deal with San Diego. That would mean a rather high prospect cost for the Padres, and while Preller is never shy about trading prospects his push at this summer’s trade deadline has left those cupboards somewhat barren. What’s more, Gray would be controlled for just the 2026 season, and Preller usually prioritizing trades for controllable players over rentals.
  • Dodgers: When it comes to spending money, there are few (if any) teams in baseball who can do so with the same reckless abandon as the Dodgers. Their payroll this season approached $400MM and it should surprise no one if it ends up in a similar place next season. While their rotation of Blake Snell, Tyler Glasnow, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, and Shohei Ohtani is currently powering them through the postseason, the injury concerns in that group are obvious and the depth behind that quartet is taking a hit with Clayton Kershaw’s impending retirement. Adding a reliable workhorse like Gray would make plenty of sense, and the Dodgers are one of the few clubs that could reasonably take on most if not all of Gray’s salary without much issue. On the other hand, the Dodgers aren’t exactly the sort of small market club Gray has typically preferred to play for over the years, which could be a problem depending on how aggressive he is in using his no-trade clause.

Long Shots:

  • Cubs: On paper, the Cubs might seem like an excellent fit for Gray. The club appears likely to pursue pitching help this winter after injuries to Justin Steele and Cade Horton left them shorthanded this postseason, president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer has shown a proclivity towards shorter-term additions with higher salaries, and Chicago’s status as a midwest city could be attractive to Gray for the purposes of his no-trade clause considering his previous decisions to sign in Cincinnati, Minnesota, and St. Louis. With all of that said, the biggest obstacle to this sort of trade is that the Cubs and Cardinals have one of the biggest rivalries in the sport and very rarely trade with each other. Perhaps Bloom taking over as president of baseball operations could help thaw that trade embargo, given that he and Brian Cashman executed what was then just the second Yankees/Red Sox trade of the 21st century back in 2021, but it would still be a shock to see the teams line up on a trade of this magnitude.
  • Mets:  The Mets are a team with plenty of willingness to spend money, a major need in the rotation, and a strong preference for bringing pitchers in on relatively short-term contracts. That all would make them seem like an obvious fit for Gray, but it’s fair to wonder how the right-hander’s previous stint in New York could impact interest on both sides. Gray’s 4.51 ERA in parts of two seasons with the Yankees was the worst stretch of his career. It would be understandable if Gray wasn’t interested in returning to New York at this point in his career, even for a different franchise, and it’s equally possible that the Mets would shy away from a pitcher who previously struggled in the sport’s largest media market.
  • Reds: It was with the Reds that Gray turned his career around after leaving New York, and he pitched to a 3.49 ERA across three seasons in Cincinnati. He signed an extension with the club once before, so his no-trade clause would likely be a non-issue, and the Reds were connected to him both during his last trip through free agency and even on the trade market last year. It would stand to reason that there could be some interest between the two sides once again, but the Reds’ limited budget makes a trade hard to envision given that they already have a rotation of Hunter Greene, Andrew Abbott, Brady Singer, and Nick Lodolo locked in for 2026 with youngsters like Chase Burns and Rhett Lowder also in the mix for starts. Whatever budget space Cincinnati has available this winter seems likely to be better used elsewhere on the roster, barring a trade of another arm that creates an opening.
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  1. Casor_Greener

    2 months ago

    Cardinals probably need to be prepared to pay $20M or more

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      Casor – Wouldn’t Jon Gray be a perfect match? Same last name, right?

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    • RobblyDobs

      2 months ago

      Insane. Did you even read the article? Look at his peripherals! Gray is a top shelf pitcher easily worth 30m for a one year deal.

      If he had 4 years on his contract sure the cards would be kicking in significant money, but for a one year deals it will be c5m plus whatever value the Cards have to pay if they want prospects back.

      If there’s an auction, Cards may get away paying nothing down at all.

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      • Longtimecoming

        1 month ago

        Speaking of not reading the article – 35M salary and a 5M buyout equals 40M not 30M and no, he isn’t worth even the mis-stated 30M.

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        • padrepapi

          1 month ago

          Opponents had a .726 OPS off Sonny Gray last year, which was exactly MLB average.

          1/20m seems like a solid outcome for the Cardinals and what a team would pay for his age 36 season.

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        • RobblyDobs

          1 month ago

          Who said he was worth the 35m and option.

          Not me. I said he was worth 30 and were looking at 5m short (read it, its there)

          Fair enough on the option.

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        • Longtimecoming

          1 month ago

          But his contract is 35m so what does it mean when you say he is worth 30m?

          That price isn’t really an option.

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    • 17dizzy

      1 month ago

      Guess I just don’t understand baseball business —— especially when it’s stated —- the Cardinals would have to give a team $20 million to trade off the Cardinals #1 starting pitcher!!!

      The Cardinals are looking for quality starting pitching!?!? Why not keep Gray on his final year and eat $10 million of Arenado’s and $10 million of Contreras’s contract to trade them instead???? The Cardinals already have back ups to take their place?!?!
      They don’t have quality pitching!!!

      If that doesn’t work out —- they could also trade Gray at the trading deadline.

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      • RobblyDobs

        1 month ago

        Cobtreras has surplus value (albeit not much)

        Will cost them to trade Arenado. A lot. Might or might not cost them a little to trade Gray. They aren’t going to trade Contreras

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      • Ezpkns34

        1 month ago

        How many tenS of millions are they paying down on Arenado’s deal in your proposal? Cause ten million alone still won’t get them any takers

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        • RobblyDobs

          1 month ago

          Prolly 20.

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      • Midrange Jay

        1 month ago

        Gray is the only pitcher on the Cardinals roster that has pitched a full season. Contreras is our only consistent hitter. After 2 consecutive years of cutting 20% of our payroll, we have $75 committed next year, half of which is Gray. Ownership has destroyed the fan base. Unless they want 1-1.5 million in attendance next year, going into a lockout, they would be best served to add to their minimal major league talents. Not ship it off.

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    • 17dizzy

      1 month ago

      The Dodgers also have a young quality pitcher coming off shoulder surgery—- named Gavin Stone!!
      The Cardinals need take a chance on Stone and look into trading —to the Dodgers — Nolan Gorman (as a back up at 3rd, 2nd, & 1st), & possibly other lower prospects.

      That put Gray — Stone — and McGreevy at the top of the Cards pitching rotation.
      That sure wouldn’t be bad for a rebuild team !!! (Libertore #4 and Mathews #5).
      Palante to the bullpen in long relief.

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      • Mike_99

        1 month ago

        Gavin stone is still on rookie contract. Why trade him? Stone has higher ceiling this point in their careers.

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  2. The Gambler

    2 months ago

    He has some craaaaaazy money attached to his contract good luck

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  3. CenterWingPolitics

    2 months ago

    The only way he comes to Atlanta is if the Cards take back Profar and Bummer lol. No way they will take that albatross of a contract

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    • RunDMC

      2 months ago

      So Profar’s 2/30M or Gray’s 1/40M (+5M buyout). Gray has the larger tax implications since Profar’s is spread out 2 years. Profar was 1.0 bWAR to Gray’s 1.4 bWAR – while missing half the season (PED suspension). Profar’s deal isn’t an albatross, but as the article states – they’d have another hole to fill by subtracting him. Hopefully he’s not planning to have another kid this year and we can see a full 162 from him.

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    • cardinalred

      2 months ago

      There is no such thing as a bad 1 year contract, especially with the CBA negotiations coming up. I don’t believe the Braves are 1 player close to getting back in the hunt though. Adding Nootbar along with Grey for a couple lottery tickets like Owen Murphy and Diego Tornes, players that fit into the Cards rebuild plans, could work well for both.

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      • bhambrave

        2 months ago

        Owen Murphy is not a lottery ticket.

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        • cardinalred

          2 months ago

          uh, ok so you may be right. Was just looking for a pitcher coming off an injury or a few years away to add to Tornes. Haven’t really followed the Braves that well since the infield fly misunderstanding.

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        • bhambrave

          1 month ago

          @CardinalRed: If by “misunderstanding” you mean that Atlanta fans don’t know the infield fly rule, I agree with you.

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      • Simm

        1 month ago

        There is such a thing as a bad one year deal. It just doesn’t hurt future years. If you are trying to win next year and you spend a ton of
        Money on a guy who fails you could ruin your chances next year.

        Anyone who trades for Gray is a team that will be counting on him to help them make the playoffs. So it’s a short term impact…it’s still an impact.

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        • cardinalred

          1 month ago

          Only true for risk-averse owners like the Nutting, Fischer, Pohlad, and Reinsdorf’s of the world, no way any of them even pick up the phone to ask about Gray.
          The only logical places for him to go are Atlanta and possibly Baltimore. If they see him as a piece to help get them back in the playoffs after down years, that salary should not be prohibitive. Baltimore makes a ton of sense actually, new owner, solid team, needs pitching, possible lockout in ’27, this should definitely be up Rubenstein’s alley. If Gray wants the $30 million option picked up in order to waive the NTC, it may be a different story.
          I actually would love for the Cards to keep Gray, Arenado, and Contreras through their contracts. Trade from the C and LH surplus (Noot, Burly, and Crooks) and sign bounce back pitchers like May and Buehler for next year.

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        • RunDMC

          1 month ago

          It hurts future years if you’re a team close to lux tax penalties, like some are. I could be wrong, but in addition to paying more money, doesn’t that mean a loss of picks, etc.? All for a 36 y/o with a NTC you have to negotiate around (which could mean for an acquiring team would need to pick up his ridiculous option year).

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      • braves25

        1 month ago

        @Cardinalred

        1) Owen Murphy wouldn’t be a lottery ticket. I look for ATL to hold on to him and maybe make him available in a trade at the deadline once he has re-established his value…

        2) I don’t think the Braves are trading Diego Tornes either. He is one of their very few potential position players in the minors. He hit very well is rookie ball this year and could easily fly up boards over the course of 2026.

        So I personally hope they don’t trade either one of them for Noot or Gray, unless the Cards were willing to pay 100% of Gray’s salary. That would change things.

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  4. denistaylor

    2 months ago

    I wonder if he’d be okay with coming back to the Yankees….

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    • Canuckleball

      2 months ago

      I doubt the Yankees would be okay with that.

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    • Mr Mojo Rising

      2 months ago

      No. It is exactly the place he wouldn’t want to be.

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    • TigersLoveCinnamon

      2 months ago

      Didn’t they bad mouth him when he left?

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    • ChuckyNJ

      2 months ago

      It would be Ed Whitson all over again.

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  5. El Kabong

    2 months ago

    With free agents like Valdez, Suarez, Cease, Gallen, and Kelly, and trade candidates such as Lopez, Ryan, Peralta, and Alcantara, taking on Gray’s contract is probably not high on a lot of contenders’ winter shopping list.

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    • Oppo nacho

      2 months ago

      Of course but some teams won’t get those guys and will need him

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    • stymeedone

      1 month ago

      But for teams that don’t want a long term commitment, he’s close to perfect. One year, with a second year option. Doubtful many on your list will settle for that.

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  6. arsnotoria

    2 months ago

    Depends on if Flaherty exercises his option. Otherwise, I don’t see them trading for another SP with Olson back next season and Melton likely in the rotation.

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    • dkhits20

      2 months ago

      You’re right that the Tigers probably won’t trade for him although they could definitely use him. Olson has been injured every season and shouldn’t be counted on for more than 90-100 innings.

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  7. TedSizemore

    2 months ago

    There are many obstacles to trading Gray. One is he wants to play close to Nashville. That leaves the Reds and Braves. Second, not only is he due $35 million next year, but he has a team option in 2027. The $5 million buyout will go out the window as Gray’s price for waiving his no trade will be that option being picked up. Third, will the return the Cardinals be worth what the Cardinals will have to cough up in dollars?

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    • El Kabong

      2 months ago

      Signing a guy and then wanting to unload him two years later when the big dollars kick in is not the best planning on the Cardinals’ part. It’ll be difficult trying to unload Gray and Arenado over the same winter. They might have to ride those deals out while their young talent hopefully develops.

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      • cah011381

        2 months ago

        When the Cardinals signed him to that contract they didn’t anticipate that Arenado was going to regress so quickly, and that Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, etc weren’t going to progress enough. Now that those things have all happened it definitely looks like a bad deal

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      • braves25

        1 month ago

        @El Kabong

        Signing players and trading them 1 or 2 years later has been a very sound business strategy for team like the Rays for several years now.

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      • stymeedone

        1 month ago

        Yes, trading players on long term contracts is exclusively a Cardinals thing. Gotcha.

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    • GO1962

      1 month ago

      If the Brewers were willing to accept the Jordan Montgomery contract, then at least 28 teams would be willing to accept the Sonny Gray contract.

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  8. El Kabong

    2 months ago

    @Nick Deeds,

    The Dodgers have Sheehan and Sasaki behind the quartet of Snell, Yamamoto, Glasnow, and Ohtani. Their SP depth isn’t necessarily taking a hit because Kershaw is retiring. If it was, they would likely aim higher than Sonny Gray.

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    • Oppo nacho

      2 months ago

      They will probably aim higher and look at gray

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      • El Kabong

        2 months ago

        Gray isn’t an upgrade on what theyv already have.

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        • Oppo nacho

          2 months ago

          Bong, what they have are a bunch of talented oft injured pitchers

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        • El Kabong

          2 months ago

          You are overrating soon-to-be 36 Sonny Gray. If the Dodgers acquired another starter, they would shoot higher than him.

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  9. WadeBoggs

    2 months ago

    Sheesh. O’s are a fit, yes. But the narrative misses the mark. Orioles were pushed out of contention because of their offense being trash in combination with their considerable pitching depth being rocked by injuries. They had like 11 starters at the beginning of ST. Also, Trevor Rogers is a sure thing? Since when? His last start of the year was his worst of the season.

    Really, really tired of how often the O’s are chalked up to just having pitching issues when the reality is the hitting has been on vacation since the 2024 ASG.

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    • El Kabong

      2 months ago

      The Orioles’ talent is a bit overrated. People were talking as if they would soon be fielding an all-star team. Looking at their roster, I don’t see it.

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      • dylanp5030

        1 month ago

        Their team is starting 4-5 former top 5 prospects in all of baseball. It’s quite easy to see why people were saying that.

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  10. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 months ago

    Will be interesting to see if St. Louis prefers to unload the contract or pay it down and essentially buy prospects.

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  11. Captainmike1

    2 months ago

    Yet another bad overpay

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    • Jabronie23

      1 month ago

      Not really. His performance was about in line with what he’s been paid. His contract is just backloaded

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      • Captainmike1

        1 month ago

        So it’s a bad contract then….

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  12. cards99

    2 months ago

    Mets should be first imo

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  13. WCSoxFan

    2 months ago

    I think Gray and the Cardinals fit perfectly with the Red Sox as long as he’s willing to waive his no trade clause.

    The Red Sox have Giolito coming off the books (presumably) and could use another right-handed starter. They have a ton of young pitching to match up with a trade, but also to fill in down the road, making them less likely to offer a long term deal. They could add Wilson Contreras as well.

    Given Bloom’s familiarity with the Red Sox system, find correct trade compensation may be easier.

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    • Rsox

      2 months ago

      Gray was a disaster in New York, not sure Boston would be any better and i doubt he would waive his no-trade clause to find out

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      • WCSoxFan

        2 months ago

        He put up 1.5 fWAR on a 4.9 ERA in New York, which was the worst full season of his career; but that would have been good as the #4 pitcher for the Red Sox in 2025.

        So if that’s the floor, and it’s only a 1 year contract with an option, I still like it. If he pitches close to what he’s done the past couple of years he would easily slot in as the #2 guy.

        My preference would be signing Bieber, Woodruff or Valdez to a reasonable deal, but given the recent price of pitching in not sure that’s an option. Gray would be next best (Bubic from KC would be an interesting get as well).

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        • Baseballisthebest

          1 month ago

          $40 million is far too much to pay for a #4 starter. Red Sox are not a fit.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          Sonny Gray is not a #4 starter (he would have easily been the 2nd best starter on the Red Sox in 2025).

          ‘expensive’ and ‘not a fit’ apply to free agents and small market teams. Not for a Red Sox team with money to spend and a Cardinals team which will likely eat some of his contract.

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    • cdchi

      1 month ago

      Wcf
      I doubt the Sox would be willing to give up any prospects and take on such a prolific salary.

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      • WCSoxFan

        1 month ago

        @cdchi this could be said of all 29 other teams. But assuming the Red Sox will be keeping a similar payroll to last year they have the funds (free agents Giolito & Buehler combined for 40mil last season) and their farm system is deep, so they’re as well, or better, equipped to acquire Gray as anyone else.

        The Red Sox are poised to acquire a high-priced pitcher this off-season and have shown reluctance to give long term contracts to aging pitchers, so Gray is a great fit. Given the other players listed on the STL trade block who fit perfectly with the Red Sox needs, it seems even more likely a deal could get done.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Wcf
          I cannot see the Sox paying that salary for a pitcher of this quality. Would be very surprised if it happens. Cheaper and better options out there.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @chchi so you think the Sox wouldn’t pay it but another team would? Someone will pay his salary in all/part so what’s your case?

          I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cardinals paid down a bit of his salary to move him, but he’s a much better deal than Buehler was last year. I can see them overpaying for a short-term deal again.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Wcf
          I just don’t believe the Sox would want to take on such a large contract, The Cardinals would have to eat a tremendous amount of the money he is owed. I could see him being moved at the deadline ( especially if he returns to very good form) Cannot see Henry, Breslow and company paying the price.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @cdchi he was in good form last year with 3.6 fWAR off of a 4.28 ERA, 3.88 xERA, 3.39 FIP and 3.07 xFIP. Aside from a slightly unlucky ERA, he was right inline with his career norms. Waiting for the trade deadline is possible, but that would require the Cardinals to eat half of his contract while risking injury AND the money issue is worse at the trade deadline as fewer teams have the budget available to accept a high salary.

          The Red Sox leadership has shown reluctance to offer large long term contracts for aging pitchers and this is one of the few avenues to avoid that while still acquiring a #2 caliber starter.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Wcf
          #2 starting quality pitcher is a big if . IMO. If the Sox are in need and IF he is proving to be a quality pitcher,I would be all for it. His performance last year doesn’t make believe he is that high of a quality pitcher. He has shown he is capable of being that type in the past. I do think he can help but I see I just don’t see it happening..,

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @cdchi We seem to agree that a #2 pitcher on a short term deal would be great for the Red Sox, and that Gray has been a #2 type pitcher for most of his career.

          However, you seem to be convinced that Gray had a down year last year, but that’s not true. His peripherals were consistent with career norms – take a look at his stats.

          In 2025 Gray had the 9th best K/9 and 5th best BB/9 among qualified starters. His ERA (4.28) was pretty average, but that was due mostly to bad luck from BABIP (.329) and LoB% (69.6%). He no longer throws hard, but his ability to get hitters to chase was the best of his career (31.6%) and 9th best in baseball among qualified starters. A case can easily be made that he wasn’t just a #2 last year, but one of the ten best starters in all of baseball.

          Gray isn’t the same pitcher he was 5 years ago, but the perception that Gray had a down 2025 is a complete fallacy. His ability to still be one of the best in baseball with diminishing velocity is a sign that he should continue to age well.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Wcf
          To much risk and salary . At this point in his career I don’t view him as a # 2 . Taking on such a hefty salary will prevent you (the Sox) from acquiring additional help in other areas of need. Stats can be looked at in many ways. I don’t want the Sox going into next year as Gray as there # 2 starter. That would be disappointing.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @cdchi As pointed out this is probably the lowest risk/salary option for a #2 starter that will be available without a huge trade package.

          Statistics are how we judge the success of pitchers and are integral to the history of baseball. Throw them out and there’s not much to go on. I’m going out on a limb and guessing you didn’t know much about his 2025 and have yourself dug in from an ancillary glance as you’ve yet to make a case for your opinion. Take a look – not many available pitchers who are better.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          Wcf
          What do you make of his below average war stat of the past 2 seasons. 1.4 & 1.8. ?? Well below for what you would expect from a # 2 starter. More in line with a #4/5 starter. I’m not a huge fan of the war stat ,I’m just pointing it out. If the Sox were to acquire him to be a # 4 starter ,I would be all for it if they got the Cardinals to pay a good portion of his salary. Myself and Red Sox Nation would be very disappointed if the Sox got him and tried to sell us they just acquired a # 2.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @cdchi It appears you’re using bref’s version of WAR, which is RA (earned and unearned). So if you look at a stat like ERA (which I’m assuming is what you used to get your first assumption of his performance; and I already listed it above) and then bref’s WAR, you’re simply looking at the same thing, only without league-adjustments. Rule of thumb: don’t use bref’s WAR unless you’re simply wanting league-adjust past ERA results.

          We would both like a true #2 pitcher, and there are a few guys I would take over Gray (Woodruff, Bieber & Valdez) but he would be next on the list as he’s the next best pitcher. Saying ‘he had an average ERA last year’ isn’t useful as ERA in a single season is heavilty reliant on luck and the player’s surrounding team.

          by fWAR, he has put up 3.8 and 3.6 over the past two seasons, clearly showing he’s a #2 pitcher. I’m sorry, but this has grown tedious. I suggest you educate yourself abit about players you wish to discuss and statistics you wish to use so that you’re able to have educated discussions, but it won’t be with me – good luck.

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  14. saj

    2 months ago

    Age 36 and he can be projected for next year 2 war? 2.5? So his $40mm salary incl buyout has a value of -$24mm to -$20mm.

    He would bring a nearly worthless lottery ticket IF they pay down more than half his $. Doesn’t sound like a trade is possible until deadline.

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    • RobblyDobs

      2 months ago

      No.

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  15. positively_broad_st

    2 months ago

    If the acquiring team can work out a two year extension with Gray for say $45M total (plus maybe an option year), then the AAV drops down to $26.7, which would make Gray more palatable to a team concerned with luxury team implications…

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  16. Ben Jamin

    2 months ago

    Pass unless they pay most of his salary.

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  17. Bruce wulff

    2 months ago

    The cubs should be able to get both cease and king especially when the lose Tucker but the won’t because Rickey’s and hoyer are too tight wad. It’s a shame this major market team.. will the fans care to remember what they gave up for Tucker but does hoyer care cause he’s got new contract with more years with blessing rickets?

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  18. Jacksson13

    2 months ago

    Just look at where Gray’s travels have taken him due to his preference to being near to his family. He’s not going to either coast. Focus possible destinations on middle America. That means teams within his current team’s division ( Chicago Cubs, Milwaukee, Cincinnati) which is unlikely.
    OR:
    Baltimore, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Texas,
    Forget about Minnesota or the Chicago White Sox.

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    • westcasey

      1 month ago

      Cleveland certainly will not be interested. Doubtful of KC either.
      Baltimore pretty close to coast. I would guess Detroit as best bet…after staying in St.Louis

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  19. CleaverGreene

    2 months ago

    The Orioles are not certain of Braddish in 2026? Kremer?

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    • paosfan

      1 month ago

      Or wells and Rodriquez? Well maybe Rodriquez as he didn’t pitch this year.

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  20. Rsox

    2 months ago

    The Braves make the most sense from both a need and a personal perspective for Gray. The money and/or trade package could be a problem as the Braves have emptied the cupboards quite a bit the past few seasons. I do wonder if the Cards would take a lesser return if the Braves simply absorbed the majority of his salary

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    • King. Of. Cards

      2 months ago

      I dont think the Braves can afford to take on most of his salary. And I think the Cardinals can afford to at least pay a decent chunk. My guess is if hes dealt he does go to the Braves. The Braves have high upside right handed pitching and that is definitely a need for the Cardinals.

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  21. Brad Johnson

    1 month ago

    Blue Jays feel like a pretty strong fit to me. Tigers too.

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  22. spidertac

    1 month ago

    35 million. Fire the GM that gave out that backloaded contract

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    • braves25

      1 month ago

      They promoted him!

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  23. Flags in the wind

    1 month ago

    Grays contract is 15mil backloaded and the buyout is already deferred. His 1/40mil becomes the original AAV of 25mil if STL buys down 15mil. He is still worth 25mil even if his 2nd half of 25′ appears he was running on fumes.
    Gray started the discussion on his NTC but Bill will again be concerned with stadium revenue and look to flip him at the deadline after he has paid two-thirds of his 25′ salary. Post deadline balance is less than 17mil and any funds Bill would offer to eat helps his trade return.
    Gray has an opt out on the option year so it’s basically a mutual option, wrote up as a club option.
    *Cots

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  24. Flags in the wind

    1 month ago

    And then there is the Fedde risk. STL can hope offseason r&r cures Grays 2nd half of 2025, until the 2026 deadline. Granted, flash in the pan Fedde doesn’t have Grays establish production, but those last 13 GS by Sonny have a ugly slg% and whip allowed.

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  25. stymeedone

    1 month ago

    He would be a good fit for the Tigers if they decide to go all in for Skubal’s last year. Expensive, but only a one year contract. The Tigers have the payroll room. They also have a good farm to provide players to St. Louis. This hasn’t been Detroit’s norm, but if its Skubal’s last year,forget the norms

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    • Ben Jamin

      1 month ago

      I’m fine with the trade if they pay his salary down or take lesser prospects. He would upgrade the roster but if they are going to spend money they can find better options(at $35 million). I’m a fan of both of those prospects but I agree they need to go for it Skubals last year.

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  26. raulp

    1 month ago

    Solid pitcher, perhaps one of the most reliable. But at 35 + two years + one option left until 38 for $95MM seems a little out of the park, he’d have to waive no-trade and the Cards’d have to put about $20MM to sweet the deal.

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  27. Tardaddy

    1 month ago

    Gray for Yoshida straight up-then trade him to Atlanta

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  28. Big whiffa

    1 month ago

    Reds are a good fit. He’d waive his ntc to go back to Cincy, reds can pay most or all his salary so it won’t be a heavy return. Then reds could trade starting pitching for a bat

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  29. BSHH

    1 month ago

    Gray is a good fit for Detroit (regardless of Flaherty opting in or not), but the Tigers better not part with any prospects at all to help St. Louis save money. Harris’ respective madness hopefully ended after his deadline trades for starters were not only horribly expensive, but also painful.

    Gruß,
    BSHH

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  30. Redsman59

    1 month ago

    lol, Nobody is eating all of Grays contract. Cards will likely have to eat 15m to get back a decent pick.

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  31. steelerbravenation

    1 month ago

    Braves are going to get it done quickly & expect another player to come with him. Nobody making any real money possibly a bullpen arm or a utility player. But I think it will get done well before the winter meetings.

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  32. bhambrave

    1 month ago

    The Braves seem to have an internal cap on salaries close to about $20M. If StL would pay down the contract to about that for 26 and 27, then it could happen.

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  33. fjmendez

    1 month ago

    Gray to the A’s make sense, but who would the A’s give up. Cards need catching right? Maybe Susac and another lower prospect for Sonny Gray and cash?

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    • BonesWalker

      1 month ago

      No the Cards do not need catching. They have 4 on their active roster and 3 of their top 6 prospects are catchers. They will likely move at least one this off season.

      They need OF help and pitching.

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      • fjmendez

        1 month ago

        JJ Bleday and Henry Bolte for Gray

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  34. libertybell444

    1 month ago

    Castellanos for Gray and Herrera.
    Gray becomes an insurance policy in the rotation if Wheeler does not come back and they keep Painter and/or if the Phillies don’t resign Suarez. More importantly, it moves Castellanos out and Justin Crawford can play right to start 2026 maybe with a veteran righty free agent bat backing him up or splitting time.

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    • NashvilleJeff

      1 month ago

      Why in the world would StL consider giving up Herrera in a salary dump deal? They have zero need for Castellanos and will likely seek prospects back in any deal in which they agree to eat some of Gray’s salary. Your proposal is the typical homer based “I’ll give you trash I don’t want for something good from you.” Try considering what StL might actually accept, not just what you want to dump. StL won’t trade Philly two valuable players for a guy the Phils will probably have to resort to trading for another bad contract (if they’re lucky enough to even find a taker.)

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      • libertybell444

        1 month ago

        You’re right.

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  35. Baseballisthebest

    1 month ago

    If the Cards pay down half of Gray’s guaranteed money, he would still cost teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, and Mets over $40 million. I think you can safely say those teams are out of the mix. Even for a team like the Padres and with the Cardinals eating half Gray’s guarantee, he would be a $32 million investment so count them out too.

    What seems most probable to me is the Cardinals end up taking back another teams bad contract in order to get a couple of good prospects.

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  36. It’s

    1 month ago

    Gray, Arenado, and Contreras to the Mets for Benge. I think it actually make sense for the Mets. Gives them a new 1b a starter they really need and 3b /dh for the short term. Cards get a possible CF bat they need.

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  37. bravesfan

    1 month ago

    Let’s be clear, Braves sucked well before the pitching started to break down. That just hurt us once the hitting finally started to turn it around. Pitching was actually borderline elite early, but hitting was a different world awful. Then it slowly flipped and hitting was solid, pitching fell apart

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  38. snakebyte32

    3 weeks ago

    I see I’m three weeks late to the comment party here, but I think it would be a shame to trade Gray and pay the contract down when his quality veteran presence can’t be replaced in the clubhouse with a team going into a youth movement. I feel the same on Arenado. Beyond those two there is not a lot of money on the books. Contreres is making decent value at 1st base on his salary. The only reason to move on from either veteran is because they request a trade. Eating their salary to get that done without actually improving the team via actual prospect capital is just nonsense.

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