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Cubs Still Discussing Zito, Tejada

Just got off the phone with Dave Kaplan, host of Sports Central on WGN Radio 720 out of Chicago.  He gave me the latest on where the Cubs stand with Barry Zito

Billy Beane is not sure whether he'll deal Zito now or in July.  However, the teams have had discussions recently, and the A's like the Cubs' farm system quite a bit.  A deal for several of the Cubs' young arms is a distinct possibility.  The A's aren't looking for Matt Murton in the trade, but rather pitchers like Rich Hill, Angel Guzman, and Sean Marshall.  There's been plenty of debate on this site about Rich Hill's future in the Major Leagues, but it's a fact that many teams absolutely love him and are trying to pry him away from the Cubs.  Hill has a ton of trade value.  Anyway, sit tight on the Zito idea; nothing's going down today.

Kaplan also mentioned that the Tejada trade is "not dead" for the Cubs.  I don't know which names are currently being tossed around, but rest assured the Cubs still have a chance at acquiring him. 

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If the Cubs get Zito, it's over! I heard they want a starter in return. If we give Wood, Hill and Pie, they will do it.

Wood's not going to be part of any deal.

Thanks for the update Rumormonger.

I wonder how a flyball pitcher like Zito would fare in the NL Central, with all those good home run parks. Perhaps Zito's an anomaly since he's had success at Arlington over the years. Who knows.

Would the Cubs only persue Zito if they land Tejada first? Or would they flip him to the O's as part of a potential Tejada package (assuming the O's are foolishly worried about Prior)?

WOOD HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE!!!!!Why can't people get that through their heads??? He loves Chicago. On top of that, NOBODY is going to trade for a pitcher who they have NO idea what his health with be like.

Would Jerome Williams be part of this deal???

The A's want a #3 back along with a power hitting OFer. Sounds like Prior and Pie!

You know, i'd love to see the Cubs give up prospects and get Zito. Not only would it save the Mets from giving up prospects, but it would keep Zito out of the division and allow us to persue him in the offseason. Zito will command MAJOR dllars, even in a trade-sign scenario.

Prior & Pie for Zito
Sounds fair if the A's
give the Cub's a 72 hour
window to get a long term
deal done with Zito

No offense, but Prior, Pie and 15M a season for Zito is much too much!

Cubbies, there is no indication that the A's want an outfielder. They are four deep in OFs as it is.

You'd be crazy to trade 3 controlled years of Prior for 1 year of Zito straight up.

Zito's peaked--his K/9 #'s are down weaker than early in his career. Prior--if healthy--could be one of the top 5 pitchers in the majors.

Monger, but Cubbies, as incoherent as his ramblings, is actually correct.

Remember, the Mets were very serious in acquiring Zito during the winter meetings and there was much talk about what Beane would want in return. Well, a bona fide power hitting OF'er was one of them. Lastings Milledge or Cliff Floyd, obviously would fit that bill.

Also, if anyone thinks Beane isn't getting a good pitcher along with at-least a top prospect, they are fooling themselves. Benson would have been perfect, but he's making 7M a year, so Heilman was reportedly asked for.

I am just going off of what Kaplan told me, that Murton wasn't discussed and that the A's wanted pitchers.

You're Right RumorMonger,
do the Cubs even have the right pieces for Zito?
- Oakland has 4 Outfielders:
RF Bradley, LF Payton, &
CF Kotsay, & Antonio Perez
About 6 Starters,
Harden, Haren, Loaiza, Blanton, Saarloos, & Zito
Their secured at C, 3B, & 2B
Maybe they would want either D. Lee or a Ramirez to be their DH/1B

If the deal happens with the Cubs, the A's want young pitching, which the Cubs have.

Probably because Pie wasn't cutting it in a trade. The Mets work better as a trade partner. They have Cliff and Lastings as pieces, they money to sign Zito and Rick Peterson, Zito's pitching coach in Oakland.

Instead of going after more pitching, which the Cubs have plenty of, perhaps they should be persuing a Cliff Floyd type. What are your thoughts on this, Monger? It is, after all, your team, and you are far more knowledgeable about it than I am.

I like Floyd, but I don't think he's available unless the Mets get Manny. I do agree that a big bat should be the main concern.

While I think Zito would be a major upgrade over our current #3 which would be Greg Maddux, there are some things that do concern me with him. The first is obviously any time you trade with Beane you have to be careful not to get fleeced. Second the Cubs better make sure they can sign this guy to a long term deal before trading for him. Now for the #'s things that concern me. His ERA was a full point higher during the day (4.50 vs. 3.60 at night) Now this could be just a weird fact or the fact that the ball carries better in oakland during the day. Also as previously mentioned Zito is a flyball pitcher coming to Wrigley which is always scary. His walks have increased each of the last 3 years. His ERA in September when the A's needed him most was horrible over 6 to be exact. Did he wear down or just crack under pressure? Here's where Im really getting picky but these #s do matter. His ERA in so called hitter's park (which Wrigley definitely is June-mid Sept) was less than stellar. In Camden Yards and Fenway it was 6.00, in Tropicana Field it was 21.60, in Ameriquest Field (Texas) it was 5.14. Not sure if Turner Field is a hitters or pitcher park but his ERA there was 5.40 In hitters parks (which Wrigley is April, most of May and most of Sept) his ERA was fine at home 4.05, at Safeco 3.38, SBC park, 2.45, RFK 3.00. So im a little worried based on those #s. Also when the bases are empty and he has a 1,2,3 inning no problem but as soon as runners get on his ERA jumps to 6.77 RISP its 11.52 and here's the most startling one with RISP and 2 outs and he pitched about 23 innings last year in that situation his ERA was 24.18. This tells me this guy cant work out of a jam to save his life, and clearly gets rattled when guys get on base. My point is while I think this guy could help us, let's not sell the farm for him. Mulder, Zito, possibly Buerhle are FA after this year. I'd take both Mulder and Buehrle over Zito at this point in their careers. Regarding Tejada, while I think it is still possible the Cubs make the deal. Are they really a better team if they have to throw in Zambrano in order to get Tejada which right now appears the only way Tejada will be coming to the Northside?

I've heard rumblings that if Milledge tears up AA/AAA, Cliff Floyd could be traded by the all-star break. Cubs have the pitching the Mets would want in return and Cliff would certainly welcome such a trade.

BTW, Todd Walker would definitely not be on our list of wants for Floyd. Matsui is still on the team for 8M and the Mets arguably have greater depth at second than at any other position. Keppinger and Hernandez are quite solid second basemen. They both hit over .300 in the minors and Hernandez is spectacular defensively. Think Orlando Hudson with a better arm.

It's a great time to be a Cubs fan. I have a feeling were going to see a dynasty on the North Side. The Cubbies are coming tra la tra la

"Prior & Pie for Zito
Sounds fair if the A's
give the Cub's a 72 hour
window to get a long term
deal done with Zito"

Fair? I wouldn't do Prior for Zito.

the cubs should trade todd walker who the a's apparently like, rich hill, a's love, and another pitching prospect, a's preference on either sean marshall or angel guzman the cubs would still have mark pawlek left in their minors, with a deep rotation especailly with zito, that is a trade that i think the a's would consider and id throw in jerome williams instead of mrashall or guzman if asked for, u guys think the a's would do this?

The Cubs have a terrible farm system. All their players underacheive in the majors.

"It's a great time to be a Cubs fan. I have a feeling were going to see a dynasty on the North Side. The Cubbies are coming tra la tra la"

Nooooo!!!!

"It's a great time to be a White SoX fan. I have a feeling were going to see a dynasty on the SouthSide."

baseballfan: Yeah, the Cubs have such a terrible farm system. That's why they are ranked 10th by Baseball America. They've only produced guys like Prior and Zambrano...they've definitely amounted to nothing in the majors...

ERK: I agree 100%. Then again, I can't think of anybody not named "Albert Pujols" that I would trade Prior for, straight up...

leefanatic25: I wouldn't make that deal; I was sad to lose Nolasco in the Pierre deal, but can accept him leaving because we still have incredible depth in regards to pitching. Giving up Guzman (he seems to be fully healthy, which means it'd have to take a helluva player to get him in a deal), Ryu, Pawelek, or Marshall is not something that I am in favor of. I would be okay with trading Williams and Hill, with maybe a low-level hitting prospect thrown into the deal, but I would not be in favor of giving up a bunch of very talented players for a #3 starter whose best days are apparently behind him.

A-ROD: I can't see the cash-strapped A's wanting the high contract of Lee or Ramirez, especially since Lee will be a free agent after this season, and since Ramirez can opt out of his contract after this season.

Eric: I know Milledge has quite a lot of potential, but to say that "Pie isn't cutting it in a trade" is somewhat asinine. Pie projects as a five-tool player, and even though he isn't the prototypical Billy Beane player (although Murton appears to be), Beane knows he could trade Pie for pretty much his choice of any other minor league players.

I would think you only make a deal for Zito if you immediately sign him to an extension. Just like with Pierre, without an extension I don't see Hendry giving up 2 or 3 young pitchers for a 1 year rental.

Ryan: why do the cubs need those pitching prospects, they have wood, if they trade and sign zito they have zito, jerome williams, zambrano, theyll probably resign prior so thats five right their and even if jerome isnt that good thats why we have pawlek and ryu wat do angel guzman and marshall and hill all do for us, unless the cubs management has a mental lapse and they dont sing wood or prior and maddux retires, which in my opinion all 3 let alone 2 are unlikeley to happen simoltaneuosly, the cubs will not need those 5 pitchers in the minors meaning pawlek marshall hill guzman and ryu and ;astly, always trade untested players, for stars

Ryan -

It's really hard to say the Cubs produced Prior. USC produced him, we just made the easy decision to draft him after Minnesota felt they couldn't sign him.

Eric: I know Milledge has quite a lot of potential, but to say that "Pie isn't cutting it in a trade" is somewhat asinine. Pie projects as a five-tool player, and even though he isn't the prototypical Billy Beane player (although Murton appears to be), Beane knows he could trade Pie for pretty much his choice of any other minor league players.

I was being hyperbolic. Of course they would take Pie, but the A's would also want a #3. It was more a comment of "The Mets can afford to trade OF talent because they have a surplus."

Erik: A good point, but by that logic, the Cubs could have just thrown him into a game right after he signed with them. The Cubs helped him develop and adjust at a rate so that he could be a successful major league pitcher. While USC had a lot to do with his development, so did Tom House...and so did high school baseball...and so did little league...so, by that logic, we should just credit his tee-ball instructor...

leefanatic25: Okay, a few things...the Cubs do have Prior under contract for a couple more years. However, Maddux will almost certainly retire after this season. And if he does play another year, it won't be with the Cubs. I still respect the hell out of him, and worshipped him when I first started learning how to pitch, but he is getting old. As for Wood, I love the raw talent that he has, but he has God-awful mechanics and just can't stay healthy. Again, I highly doubt that he will be back with the Cubs next year, unless he changes his mechanics and manages to stay healthy all season, or unless the Cubs decline his option for next season and he agrees to re-sign for one year with an incentive-loaded package.

Pawelek, while a very good prospect, is years away from being ready. Ryu is probably 2 years away, as well, and I think Marshall is probably a couple years away, as well. While those three are highly unlikely to make the major league club this year, it doesn't behoove the Cubs to give away their farm system. Even if these players never amount to anything with the Cubs, they are still very valuable prospects that many GM's have interest in. What if the Cubs need a different player who is available at the trade deadline? Who would they trade? That's one of the many problems with offering a bunch of talented young players in a trade. I couldn't disagree with you more in regards to "always trading untested players for stars." How has that philosophy worked for the Yankees these past few years? The most successful clubs in MLB are those clubs that develop their own talented players and use a mix of talented, home-grown players and "proven stars." Finally, Zito is a #3 starter. To give up 3 young, highly-touted pitching prospects would be grossly overpaying. No, I definitely would not be happy with us giving up that much for Zito.

Erik: My apologies for misunderstanding you, then. Yes, the Mets do have more depth in regards to minor league outfield prospects. Most definitely.

Ryan

"A good point, but by that logic, the Cubs could have just thrown him into a game right after he signed with them."

They pretty much did. I don't think he spent too much time in the minors.

The only reason I'm willing to go along with Prior for Tejada is because the one strength of the Cubs' farm system is pitching. If MacPhail and Hendry believe in the Rich Hills, Sean Marshalls, Angel Guzmans - you can cash in the established pitchers for impact players.

That said, I don't think I like the idea of 3 top-10 prospects for a pitcher that you're immediately going to have to sign for 5/$65M or so. Even though Maddux comes off the books next year, you have D Lee, Ramirez, Pierre and Wood to deal with, Prior approaching his big contract, and Zambrano starting up the arbitration ladder. Given that the Trib will let the payroll max to $120M tops, how many 8-figure salaries can you afford? (not that Pierre will get much more than 7, 8 mill)

One question I have - in all these discussion, everyone says the Cubs can trade Prior, he's injury prone - but not Z, he's a hoss. RumorMonger (if you care to take it), do you feel there is an appreciable difference between the two, for trading or keeping? I mean Prior's had the injuries, but half of them have been fluky - and supposedly Prior still has the higher ceiling as well. (?)

Now Jae Seo is pitching in the WBC.

UGH. We now have the following players involved:
1. Pedro
2. Wagner
3. Wright
4. Seo
5. Beltran
6. Delgado

Um. I really HATE this WBC idea.

Do it--give the pitching prospects to Oakland for Zito. Hill, Williams and 1 other are fine by me. Zito gives us alot BETTER insurance vs anyone else we might keep in this deal. Rotation:

Zambrano
Prior
Zito
Wood?
Maddux/Rusch/Guzman/etc.

I think having Zito as a #3 might take some pressure off of him.........if Wood and Prior are healthy this year--that's a FILTHY rotation.

I'm fine with any deal including Hill. I'll believe in Hill if he gets a third pitch and somehow becomes 2 or 3 years younger.

ryan all i am saying is hill willaims and marshall or ryu or guzman how i that giving away the farm wen the cubs would still have two of the above three left im just saying the cubs need to do smthing i dont want to watch this division slip away this year with the cardinals weakened and the astros not any better, the cubs could win this division, rather then thinking about future think about now of all people id think henddry would, if hetrades away the whole farm and gets zito and tejjada and the cubs win the world series, hendry will never be fired from wrigley, im not sold on tradign prior and folk for tejada but zito seams a reasonable price how expensive can it be with players like kiko calero and charles thomas getting hudson and moulder deals done, i doubt zito can be much higher after last year, if higher at all

" Iagree 100%. Then again, I can't think of anybody not named "Albert Pujols" that I would trade Prior for, straight up..."

I can...Roy Oswalt

And if A-Ram were traded, Miguel Cabrera and David Wright would both look nice in a Cub uni.

WTF? Are you on drugs? What could you POSSIBLY offer for David Wright?

Uh.

1. Zamrbano
2. Prior
3. Wood
4. D-Lee

Any questions? That's the reason why Muts fans are stupid.

"WTF? Are you on drugs? What could you POSSIBLY offer for David Wright?"

Cubs fans tend to over value thier players and prospects - such as a previous post that only Pujols is a worthy aquisition for Mark Prior.

"Uh.

1. Zamrbano
2. Prior
3. Wood
4. D-Lee"

The Cubs would have to START w/ Zambrano (and leave out the breakables - Prior and Wood). The Mets don't need Derek Lee.

Let me just say that if Omar traded Wright for anything less than one of the best players in the game, he would be skinned alive by Met fans. In fact, i'm convinced there is no one they could trade him for that would satisfy us. Wright's more than just a good player, he's a great human being, and not in that overly sweaty A-Rod or Albert Pujols way.

As a Cub fan, I hate to agree with any Mets or Cardinals fan but I must when they say we as Cub fans and the Cubs organization as a whole overvalues their prospects. I dont know how many of my friends I've talked to that have said You can trade Prior for anyone or my other friends that say, Why dont we just trade Hill, Patterson and Walker for Tejada and Bedard. Why? Because the Orioles would never do that deal. I would give Mark Prior up for countless position studs, (Tejada, Pujols, Manny, etc) and countless pitchers. In fact there are two pitchers on the other side of town, in Brandon McCarthy and Mark Buehrle I would trade Prior for straight up. I know all you Cub fans are gonna rip my head off for saying that but give me three reasons not to. Buerhle and Prior are the same age too btw even though Buehrle has been around for 4 more years. As for getting Tejada, quit dreaming guys, its gonna cost either Prior or more likely Zambrano plus prospects. If we want Zito, its gonna cost probably Hill and Pie or maybe Angel Guzman, you would think Pie for sure. While I love having a good farm system and the Cubs do. I also think it should be used not just to bring these guys up and plug them in their own lineup, but used to acquire already proven major league talent (see White Sox offseason moves for example) I bet White Sox fans arent crying right now because they traded Carlos Lee. Royce Ring (one of their #1 draft picks), Jon Rauch or any of those guys before last year or traded away 3 of their real good prospects in Gonzalez, Haigwood, and Young this offseason. YOu know why? Cause they won a World Series and are in great position to do the same thing again this upcoming season. Why cant we expect the same of the Cubs? Why are our prospects too good for any deal? We havent won in 97 years, if you can get Tejada or Manny or even Zito, you have to give up something, and if unproven top prospects is what they want, then fine. I just dont understand this putting prospects or even Prior in the hall of fame when they have proved little or nothing at the big league level.

"Buerhle and Prior are the same age too btw even though Buehrle has been around for 4 more years." -Kyle

I don't know who told you that or where you got that from, but Buerhle's 2 years older than Prior and has played only 2 more years (but has pitched around as twice as many innings since Prior gets hurt just about every year). Other than that I pretty much agree with you (a Cubs fan) which makes me want to cry.

Darin,
While you are right that Buerhle has 2 more years of service than Prior and not 4 as I had stated. They are about a year and a half apart age wise. Buehrle's DOB is 3/23/79. Prior's DOB is 9/7/80. That being said I'll still take Buerhle over Prior.

I think its time for an Athletics fan's input.

Many people here have hypothized about what the A's want. Well, here is what I think the A's will be looking for, from what I've read and from what I know about the A's philosophy and what they look for.

The A's have reportedly wanted two pitchers in any deal. I do not know if this is correct or not, in all honesty. I still belive that the A's have confidence in Dan Meyer (Hudson trade), and belive that he might still bounce back after a shoulder injury in 2005. The story behind the injury is that after being traded, and worried about making the team or not, he hid the injury from trainers. This was, as he said himself, very stupid. He ended up pitching through it, making it worse, and it killed his 2005 campaign.

What the A's want is simple. They want someone who will help both NOW and in the future. They want offense and someone who will step into the rotation and fill Zito's role. Someone who will put up a 4 ERA or so, and will improve.

The A's current "Hole" in the lineup is LF/DH. The A's currently have a lot of depth at Middle Infield (thus making it unlikely that they would want Walker what-so-ever), they have Eric Chavez locked up at 3B.

Here is the A's Outfield, First Base and Starting Pitching depth.

Outfield:
CF Mark Kotsay
CF Milton Bradley
CF Jay Payton
OF Nick Swisher
OF Bobby Kielty

1B/DH:
1B Nick Swisher
1B Dan Johnson
OF Bobby Kielty
C Adam Melhuse
IF Antonio Perez

Starting Pitching
LHP Barry Zito
RHP Rich Harden
RHP Dan Haren
RHP Joe Blanton
RHP Estiban Loaiza
RHP Kirk Saarloos
LHP Joe Kennedy
RHP Justin Duchscherer
LHP Dan Meyer
LHP John Rhienecker
RHP Chad Gaudin
RHP Matt Loney
RHP Juan Cruz

If there is one thing you can see here, is that the A's need two things if they trade Zito.

First, they need a better then #5 starter to replace Zito in the rotation.

Second, they need someone better offensivly then Jay Payton.

If the player is an Outfielder, then Payton is sent to the bench or traded.

If the player is a 1B/dH/Other, then Nick Swisher goes back to Right Field, Dan Johnson goes back to 1B, and the target is DH (or 1B if better then DJ at 1B).

The thing is, Nick Swisher is VERY good defensivly at 1B, but is average or below in RF. Payton is very good defensivly in the outfieild, but not very good offensivly, at least by A's fan standards. He can hit for power, but he doesn't get on base. Then again, the Cubs seem to like that, and in Wrigley, he could hit quite a few Home Runs.

From my view, the first and core guy that would be requested would be Murton. That would be a given.

Next would be another pitching prospect who projects to be a #3.

Final would be a top prospect.

The precident for this deal would be the Hudson and Mulder trades. But, there is a difference.

Like the Hudson trade, Zito has 1 year left. But, unlike the Hudson trade, the A's do not need to trade Zito at all. They are better with him, and they are going for the World Series. They also tried to do Hudson a favor, that is, to send him to his home town team. At the time, they thought they were getting a good deal, but two of those players are prety much crap, the other could still be very good. And, unlike Hudson, Zito has no injury history.

Like the Mulder trade, the A's did not need to do a deal. But, Mulder had two years left on his contract compared to Zito's one. But, Zito has no injury history, Mulder does. Both had dissapointing 2004 campaigns. Both bounced back in 2005.

So I think the A's will try to get either a Mudler-esque deal, or something in between the Mulder and Hudson deal.

They will want a Top Prospect, a Top Pitcher and a Good Player.

In this case, that sounds a lot like Murton, Pie and, I don't know, Hill.

I also belive that the A's might be willing to take Wood from the Cubs, but only if the Cubs picked up a large part of his salary. The A's are not adverse to taking risks with players, and have a good track record with pitchings with arm injuries. They are not the Mariners, lets say.

I just know this. The Cubs system has two gems in it, and the A's will be asking for both. They did with the Mulder trade (Haren, Barton), and they thought they were with the Hudson trade (Meyer, Thomas).

It is very simular. A prospect, and a player with limited MLB expiriance.

Well, you have to respect the Athletics Nation perspective. Thanks for the insight, Zonis - you've sold me on what the A's will try to get here.

Exactly like I said... only more verbose! =-

A Tiny Bit More:

If the A's do not trade Zito this off season, they will not trade Zito.

And remember this, from the A's point of view this is not just "1 year of Zito". To the A's, this is "1 Year of Zito, a good chance at the World Series, and two 1st round draft picks!"

Does any Cub fan think that Wood and Prior will each pitch 215 innings in 2006? If I recall each of the last two seasons crumbled with Wood's and Prior's health issues. Didn't Larry Rothchild say you'd have to be "stupid" if your plans depended upon both Woods and Prior pitching wire to wire in 2006. What does the Cubs making Prior available say about their confidence in hs regaining his vast potential shown in 2003?

Zito has pitched 215+ innnings and started 34-35 games for each of the last five years. If the Cubs are serious about knocking off the Cards and the Stros (or Brewers)they should try to get Zito. Pie and Williams or the like (low cost, several years of control) might get it done. A negotiation window and agreement is a must. If not, go with what you have until another situation comes up. Pie and a high rated pitching prospect will still be there later. Pie is exciting but how long will the Cubs window be open? Kerry's a great guy but are the Cubs going to extend him in 07?

PS And if by chance everyone stays healthy does anyone think Kerry Wood couldn't be a shut down closer... nice insurance and nice to have in a big game.

A's will not agree to an extension window. For one thing, it would negate much of the trade value Zito has if they did not come to an agreement.

They didn't allow it with Hudson or Mulder, its highly unlikely they'd do it this time around.

Great Insight Zonis!!!

No Wood nor Prior will pitch over 200 innings in 2006. Zambranno will pitch more innings than Prior and Wood combined.

Go flubs go.
Try to get to .500

If the A's are looking for a number 3 pitcher then Williams would be a good canditate to trade. Wood is nothing of value in this trade. If the Cubs were to get this deal done they would either need that 72 hour window or get it done and sign him a day before the season starts. Also the cubs have a lot of prospects to deal dopriek or sean marshall. But the cubs can also throw patterson into the mix as a throw in since the Cubs are likely to sign Grissom to a bench contract.

Guys, who knows about Wood, but I have no doubt Prior will pitch over 215 innings this year. Wood's number one thing he has been working on in the offseason and that is his mechanics, but who knows with him. Everyone knows that once he gets past the first three innings his mechanics get extremely violent. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents.

If the A's are looking for a number 3 pitcher then Williams would be a good canditate to trade. Wood is nothing of value in this trade. If the Cubs were to get this deal done they would either need that 72 hour window or get it done and sign him a day before the season starts. Also the cubs have a lot of prospects to deal dopriek or sean marshall. But the cubs can also throw patterson into the mix as a throw in since the Cubs are likely to sign Grissom to a bench contract.

"Uh.

1. Zamrbano
2. Prior
3. Wood
4. D-Lee"

Unless you're giving me all 4 guys, no deal.

but I have no doubt Prior will pitch over 215 innings this year

You are probably the only rational human being who believes that.

" ...I have no doubt Prior will pitch over 215 innings this year."

I have my doubts, since that would be more innings than he's ever pitched in a season. I would start by hoping he can make it through 175 innings then anything else from there could be considered a bonus.

The Cubbies need pitching so how about SP Carl Pavano for
C Michael Barret

No. The Yankees have Posada, who is better and is making lots of money.

How about Kerry Wood or Hill and Pie??

"No. The Yankees have Posada, who is better and is making lots of money."

Posada is one of the reasons why I'm a Yankee fan, however he has not been the same since he was hit in the face by an Angel double-play in April 2004
Posada seems to be in a state of decline in which
M. Barret can be groomed to one day replace him.

Here I got One for you
CanoWangDongFan:
Sheffield, Pavano, & Wright
for
Wood, M. Barret, & Pie

"Posada seems to be in a state of decline in which
M. Barret can be groomed to one day replace him."

Barret's going to be 29 before too long. Grooming doesn't start at 29.

"Here I got One for you
CanoWangDongFan:
Sheffield, Pavano, & Wright
for
Wood, M. Barret, & Pie"

I don't know who get's screwed worse in that one. The Cubs with 2 sorely over priced pitchers and an aging slugger (with steriod issues.....didn't the Cubs just have someone just like that?) or the Yankees getting a pitcher made of glass, a slightly above average catcher and a minor leaguer.

- Pavano & Wright are NL Pitchers and would likely regain a resemblence to their 2004 seasons.
- Sheffield would provide the Outfield with power:
300 average,
over 30 HRs,
& 90-100 Rbi
- Kid K would meet our Pitching Coach Ron Guidry and finally get his pitching mechanics corrected once & for all.
- M. Barret will intial be Posada's backup and one day take over the starting job.
- Pie he can be used in a trade with E. Duncan & Philip Hughes for Zito

"Kid K would meet our Pitching Coach Ron Guidry and finally get his pitching mechanics corrected once & for all."

Has Guidry even been a pitching coach in the Majors before?

This will be Guidry first Year, but for the past 10 years he has worked with many of our pitcher during Spring Training.
Also Joe Kerrigan a former pitching coach is part of Torre's staff. He will be their to provide his expertise on mechanics
(He worked with the Big Unit this past year correcting his release angles)

Put Kid K in Pinstripes, and the second coming of The Rocket will likely occur

"Put Kid K in Pinstripes, and the second coming of The Rocket will likely occur"

Please tell me you are joking, or I will have lost all faith in "Northerners".

"This will be Guidry first Year, but for the past 10 years he has worked with many of our pitcher during Spring Training."

Like who? Pavano, Wright, Vazquez, Contreras, Jeff Weaver, Ted Lilly, Denny Neagle, Hideki Irabu, Sterling Hitchcock.....your right the Yanks have a very solid track record of making pitchers better.

Cubs are not trading Pie if anything they can give the A's a minor leagure player and Hill or guzman for Zito.Prior will be on the market in like 2 yrs i believe.tejada deal can go though cubs still have Dopirek in the minors and expendable since the cubs have derek lee and should resign D lee to a long term.give the O's Dopirek Hill and corey patterson for Tejada and Penn or a minor leaguer

Vazquez, Contreras, Jeff Weaver, Ted Lilly, Denny Neagle, Hideki Irabu, Sterling Hitchcock.....
These guys all wilted under the immense Yankee pressure to win at all cost, I don't believe it was pitching mechanics that ruined their time in New York...

And Yes I was joking about
Kid K being the next "Rocket".
I guess I'm becoming just as dillusional as Cubs Fans just as they believe Prior & Wood being the next Schilling & Johnson...

"give the O's Dopirek, Hill, and corey patterson for Tejada and Penn or a minor leaguer."

Yeah like the O's would seriously entertain that offer...
If you don't want to trade Prior or Pie, how bout Aramis Ramirez
A. Ram for Miggy

"how bout Aramis Ramirez
A. Ram for Miggy"

Gayest Trade ever the O's already have Mora at 3rd so no point.

Thanks for another great Cubs post, RumorMonger.

Wow. The chatter here really went off on some tangents for a "Cubs interested in Zito and Tejada" link....

I think that Hill, Guzman, and Marshall would be a very acceptable price for Zito, providing Hendry can indeed work out a longer deal with him. A lot of good potential there with the youths, true; but Zito is a proven LHP with Cy Young stuff who's still young and gives you 230 innings. Not bad, even with a few long fly balls here and there.

I hope that there are still a few moves on the radar for Hendry, but getting Zito would be a nice addition this offseason. I'd rather Zito than giving up Prior for Tejada, and I'd still love to see him go out and get Huff and a pure #2 hitter (Vidro?).

I just wonder if Hendry will actually pull the trigger on any moves, or if he's just going to keep dangling the same trade bait (Patterson, Walker, Hill, etc.) hoping for a different result.

You have to give something to get something, and it's going to get harder and harder to fleece teams of impending salary problems to get better (Ramirez, Lee) with profit sharing going on.

Heck, Jim, make some moves here.

I love my fellow Cub fans. No really it is entertaining reading some of the trade proposals we come up with. Let's give the O's Dopirek,Hill and Patterson for Tejada and Penn. Well that would be great if the Orioles would actually consider that deal without laughing Hendry out of town. See people you have to give up something to get something. The Orioles have made it perfectly clear to the Cubs if they want Tejada they will have to give the O's Zambrano. If they want Zito, it will probably cost Murton or Pie, Guzman AND Hill. Several A's outlets have said the A's will use what they got for Hudson and Mulder in determining what is a good deal for Zito. In those two deals they got a serviceable prospect hitter, one top level prospect stud pitcher and a possible replacement for the player just traded away. So Please stop the trade Patterson, Walker and Hill for Tejada and Bedard or Penn and stop the trade Patterson, Walker and Hill or Murton for Zito. Its embaressing guys, come on Cub fans as a whole are better than that. I admire your passion as a fan but wish we could come up with something sensible in trades that doesnt leave people mocking us.

I thought Monger reported that Oakland wanted all pitching. If that's the case--Williams, Hill and ? would be nice (preferably not Guzman). If they want an OF, I'd hate to trade Murton. But, Murton, Williams and Hill wouldn't be too bad I guess. That'd leave us awfully shallow in the OF.

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