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Yankees Discouraged On Gagne, Cubs Still In?
UPDATE: Peter Abraham confirms that the Yankees seem unlikely for Gagne. He says the Red Sox are offering David Murphy and Kason Gabbard, while the Cubs are still quietly involved. Not sure whether Gagne would have to consent to a trade to the Cubs, but he could be used as their closer without a major uprising.
Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Yankees aren't liking their chances to get Eric Gagne. That might mean he's going to the Red Sox, Mets, or Brewers, or that he's staying put.
The Mets don't seem likely given some previous reports and the Rangers' demand for Carlos Gomez.
The Red Sox would probably give up David Murphy and the Brewers would surrender Tony Gwynn Jr. If the Rangers would settle for Gwynn, a deal could happen quickly because Gagne cannot veto a trade there. However, he can block a move to Boston and that would present another obstacle.
Speaking of the Red Sox, Rosenthal sees their chances for Jermaine Dye faded. After all, that deal would have a no-trade obstacle too.
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I'd be surprised if the Rangers settled for Gwynn. He's not very good.
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 11:26 AM
If the Mets give up Gomez for him I'll be pissed
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:27 AM
I second that. He's WAY more valuable than 2 months of anyone.
Posted by: JerseyMetFan | July 31, 2007 at 11:28 AM
What the hell is going on here? Apparently ESPN Radio is reporting Dye is going to Boston for WMP and Delcarmen, and the deal is all but finished.
Posted by: tsizzle | July 31, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Phil Humber was pulled from his start again but speculation says it was for being ill
Posted by: TheWrightStuff | July 31, 2007 at 11:29 AM
AAAAAAHHHHH.
This is nuts.
Posted by: SBE | July 31, 2007 at 11:30 AM
gwynn is worth more than linebrink apparently or else the padres probably would have made that trade
Posted by: cianfroccofan | July 31, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Gagne is worth way more than Linebrink
Posted by: Teetz | July 31, 2007 at 11:35 AM
From Gordon Edes Chat: I did talk with Dye's agent 45 minutes ago and he said he hasn't had any discussions in the last 72 hours with anyone over whether Dye would waive his no-trade to come to Boston
Posted by: Validlyte | July 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I think the Yankees can still make the best offer. Boston has the problem of him having to approve the trade. I don't know what Milwaukee would give up. Villanueva and Gwynn? I think Texas will be weary of pitchers going from the NL to AL.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part but I think that one of the three scenarios are possible:
1) Yanks blink and include Horne (not a fan of this one)
2) Yanks blink and include Gardner (not crazy about it, but ok)
3) Clippard + Marquez + Karstens ends up being the best offer.
Yeah, I'd do Marquez and Karstens in addition to Clippard at this point.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Gomez actually sounds like a fair trade. Plus, the draft compensation for Gagne outweighs his value if they win a World Series.
Posted by: IowaCubs | July 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Red sox traded Pinero to the Cardinals for a player to be named later.
Posted by: jg | July 31, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Maybe Pelfrey, but no way does Omar send Gomez to Texas for just Gagne. Those picks won't get you anyone near his potential.
The WS is a BIG if. The Mets bullpen is one of the top in the NL. I'm comfortable with Heilman, Feliciano, and Wagner. A guy of Gagne's caliber is a luxury, not a necessity.
Posted by: JerseyMetFan | July 31, 2007 at 11:45 AM
teetz i realize gagne is worth more than linebrink, i was just trying to give some perspective on what the brewers think of gwynn
Posted by: cianfroccofan | July 31, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Gagne is at most a B compensation.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | July 31, 2007 at 11:56 AM
WHY WOULD THE CUBS possibly need Gagne? Yeah, might be a nice free agend pickup at the end of the year, but it's probably going to cost them Murton/Gallagher. Bad.
Posted by: IowaCubs | July 31, 2007 at 12:00 PM
If they can't get anything close to the Linebrink deal they might as well keep Gagne. No reason take back Gabbard and Murphy, they'll just to the similar players the Rangers already have.
They really need to trade him, but shouldn't make a deal just to make a deal.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Still don't believe it. Yanks can top that pretty easily, without trading any of their top pitching prospects.
How anyone thinks Murphy could be a solution in CF is beyond me.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Clippard - Marquez/Karstens deal is the best rumor I've heard out there for Gagne. If they can get Gardner too, that would be alright.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:04 PM
the cubs could be showing interest to drive up the price on the brewers.
Posted by: integr96 | July 31, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Gardner is so far above Murphy it's not funny.
Gardner alone would be better than the Sox offer.
I'd argue that Clippard or Karstens have more value than Murphy.
Maybe I'm just a frustrated Yankee fan though.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 12:12 PM
"WHY WOULD THE CUBS possibly need Gagne? Yeah, might be a nice free agend pickup at the end of the year, but it's probably going to cost them Murton/Gallagher."
Murton isn't worth anything to us...so who cares. Gallegher on the other hand...I don't know. I'd rather give them Veal.
"the cubs could be showing interest to drive up the price on the brewers."
You could be on to something here...The Cubs have a solid bullpen as it is and while they are not relying on it, Wood coming back would be as good as Gagne probably....seems to me that if they were going after a reliever, it would be a left handed one.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Gabbard has got to be attractive to the Rangers. They have zero good pitchers, and this kid has shown some promise. He is no sure thing, but he looks like he could be a league average #4 right now. That could make him the best starter for that team right now (I kid, sort of).
Posted by: Mr_Punch | July 31, 2007 at 12:17 PM
No your right, the Yankees prospects that you hear are in the Gagne deal are far better than Murphy and Kason Gabbard. Boston wants a reliever for those two they can go get Troy Percival.
Rangers have a minors system full of #4 pitchers, if he was in the Rangers minor league system you would have never heard of him. Boston can keep that guy
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:19 PM
"Boston wants a reliever for those two they can go get Troy Percival."
LOL
Posted by: Mr_Punch | July 31, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Wood as good as Gagne? Come on now... you can't honestly believe that. Sure, it's possible. But probable? Far from it.
Posted by: JerseyMetFan | July 31, 2007 at 12:25 PM
If he pitches....I guarentee you will will be very, very good. The problem has never been that he wasn't LIGHTS OUT....he just isn't healthy. Take a look at his numbers as a reliever...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:28 PM
That "if" is really big.......
Can't think of a good euphamism for that. Whats Wood good for.... 3 weeks? Over/Under on Wood back to the DL??
Cubs should just sign Grant Hill and see what he can do on the mound.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Murphy is a 4th OF at best. Gabbard could be a 4th or 5th starter, just as easily as the Yankees pitchers that you've heard named so far can.
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 12:33 PM
Here we go...
Brad Wilkerson and Jamie Wright for David Murphy and Kason Gabbard. That sounds about right.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:34 PM
I know...I hate even talking about Wood coming back...because I've done it a million times.
That may be a big if....but Wood is another Marmol if he is healthy, bottom line. (not age...but stuff wise) 95 fastball and nasty, nasty slider.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Murphy and Gabbard should get a guy like Proctor, Vizcaino, Rauch, Cordero (assuming all were FA in 2008).
Posted by: bobo | July 31, 2007 at 12:36 PM
but again....they aren't counting on it. Its just nice if it happens...really nice.
However, like I said earlier, if they were going to go out and get one, I would think it would be a lefty.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Aduncaroo... excellent point. Putting the hurt to the Brewers.
Perhaps this is a check-raise on the Brewers part as well to scare Hendry?
Posted by: IowaCubs | July 31, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Could be....but I believe it ends in a stalemate because neither is willing to give up what they are asking...and probably shouldn't.
Honestly, IF...yes...I'm saying it....if the Cubs get Wood back, and the brewers get Gagne and give up what it would take to get him....I would actually probably smile and be pretty pleased...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Did Wood change his delivery? I heard along time ago that his deliver would be the cause of his injuries.
Posted by: JoeM | July 31, 2007 at 12:45 PM
his delivery is terrible as far as mechanics go. he throws across his body. He has tweaked it...but not changed it. He won't. Thats why they Cubs need to let him go after this year unless he shows us something. He also still has a tear in his shoulder that he wanted to try and rehab instead of go with surgery again. Can't say I blame him....but it seems to be a matter of when, not if he is going down again....
but again, reports are he is pitching right now like he always has...which is that he is showing electric, nasty stuff. I just hope he can at least make it through this year...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2007 at 12:49 PM