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UPDATE, 10-31-07: A few more notes on the Astros' interest in Hunter and Rowand. According to Wade, the Astros are looking to add either a center fielder or a right fielder - keeping Hunter Pence in center is an option. Also, he calls the contact with Hunter and Rowand "procedural," noting that the Astros will talk to roughly a third of all free agents.
FROM 10-30-07:
Looks like Ed Wade and the Astros will make a play for a free agent center fielder this winter. They've already made initial contact with the agents for Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand.
That didn't strike me as a major need given the current outfield of Carlos Lee, Hunter Pence, and Luke Scott. I agree with RotoWorld on this - Scott could be a great acquisition if the Astros push him out of the picture. An awful April obscured Scott's stats - he hit .267/.360/.534 from May forward. Same thing happened with Kevin Kouzmanoff.
On the other hand, Pence is better suited for right field than center. So as long as Wade gets full value in the form of a starting pitcher for Scott. Unfortunately they are not on Curt Schilling's list but three other NL Central teams are.
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Who cares if their outfield defense blows. The production of Lee, Pence, Scott is very high and not very expensive right now. They should be spending money, IDK, trying to sign their first two draft picks. *sigh* but it's too late for that. They should also be saving up for a shortstop and pitching. Outfielders should be the least of their worries.
Posted by: gogopalehose | October 30, 2007 at 10:50 PM
well at least wade is thinking logically. lets go give a lengthy, multi-million dollar contract to a guy when we already have a surplus of guys at his position. maybe benching scott for rowand will make up for a lack of offense at second, short, catcher, and third. maybe he can throw 200+ innings and win 17 games behind roy oswalt in the rotation. at least he has his priorities straight...
sorry guys this has been building up. i think the dodgers and astros are competing for the worst run franchise in baseball right now.
Posted by: boomshwa12 | October 30, 2007 at 10:56 PM
http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/12/organizational-rankings/
logical opinion
Posted by: gogopalehose | October 30, 2007 at 11:03 PM
i knew it! at least cincinnati, san francisco, and baltimore have some good prospects on the horizon. we have brian bogusevic :o
Posted by: boomshwa12 | October 30, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Wade must be listening to fans on the street, everyone Ive talked to seems to think we need another outfielder. Its one of the most baffling things Ive ever encountered. Its exactly like boomshwa said, its like Houston is in some bizzaro world where adding an outfielder we dont need will make us a better team even if everything else stays the same.
Posted by: Laputian | October 31, 2007 at 12:28 AM
This is exactly the kind of garbage I expected from the Stros this off-season.
The ONLY way this works out well is if Scott is included in a trade that nets a strong SP.
Posted by: WHIPit | October 31, 2007 at 06:21 AM
I agree, the astros should only do this if they can trade away scott. However, I think that if you can pair scott with perhaps a reliever, then you may be able to find a starting pitcher.
My question to astros fans, at what point do you trade oswalt? Or, will he be kept because any year the astros could win the central, at least in astros'fans minds.
Posted by: bravesbeast | October 31, 2007 at 08:46 AM
I'd agree with what Nate Silver said in his latest BP Unfiltered: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=651
McClane's more willing to spend the money on free agents than people might realize (Carlos Lee, anyone?), why not give the biggest one out there a run? I know he and Boras haven't mixed before, but they need a 3rd baseman much more than they need an outfielder.
Now if only they can get A-Rod interested...
Posted by: jatorres | October 31, 2007 at 08:49 AM
With the farm system as is for the Astros, it's not that surprising that they are talking to everyone to bolster their team because absolutely nobody significant is on the horizons for them, it's FA's or bust.
I think it's like Wade said, procedural talking to everyone to keep line open. Maybe Scott/Lee gets moved for some other piece they need and they'll have a need at OF, who knows. OF is the deepest for this FA pool, you can actually get quality players in OF's instead of digging deep for scrubs in other positions. So if you can trade an OF for a quality player at another position, I would do that.
Posted by: zs190 | October 31, 2007 at 09:11 AM
It isn't irrational for the Astros to look at upgrading CF. Wade has made it clear that upgrading defense is a priority. And defensive deficiencies were a big part of the pitching failures last season. The Astros' defense, based on RZR or HT's +/- defensive ratings, was among the worst in the NL last season. (By comparison, the Astros were among the best defensive teams in the NL when they went to the World Series.) I like Luke Scott; he is a good lefthanded hitter who is cheap (though not THAT young at 30). But he could be a casualty, given the fact that CF is one of the few places on the team where it is feasible to upgrade the defense. If a CF acquisition allows the Astros to trade Scott for pitching, the move makes sense.
Posted by: CJ | October 31, 2007 at 09:35 AM
bravesbeast, if oswalt goes anywhere it probably won't be to the braves. you could make a case that he's been the best pitcher in the national league over the last 5 years or so. for that, and b/c of his relatively cheap price tag, i think he gets a near santana-like bounty (granted i'm biased tho)
and i can tell you straight up that besides pence, oswalt is the only reason i still follow the astros. its not about a fool's hope with the stros chances (b/c they suck, we know). i think oswalt and pence have more heart between the two of them than everyone else who worked for the organization last year combined, and there's a part of the astros fanbase that feels the same way. i question berkman's and lee's heart sometimes, and you can have those guys if you want, but trading oswalt would lead to some serious issues with the fanbase
Posted by: boomshwa12 | October 31, 2007 at 09:36 AM
Just so everybody is clear...Oswalt has a no trade clause, just like Berkman and Lee. Maybe he could be persuaded to waive the no trade clause (and I've got to think he would demand a lot more money if he did so), but that would be a complicated undertaking, which I don't see the Astros even considering.
Posted by: CJ | October 31, 2007 at 10:04 AM
WOW, never thought of arod in houston, imagine the hrs he would hit there and the lineup he would be in as well. now the whole money thing is a giant hang up, but they could use that third baseman. everything makes sense cept the money.
Posted by: thedeuce | October 31, 2007 at 12:11 PM
I seriously doubt the Astros have any interest in A-Rod. Plus they're still quite anti-Boras after the Beltran debacle.
I like Luke Scott, and I think the Astros do too. I'd expect him to stay regardless of a big FA acquisition.
Crazy speculation: what if the Astros deal Berkman and his big salary for that #2 starter and put Scott at 1B?
Schilling would be a perfect fit for the Astros #2, but I guess he's still bitter after being dealt al those years ago.
As for Oswalt: A cy-young level ace signed for many years at a below-market level? No way they're dealing him. He'll be an Astro until his contract is up, and I see them dealing anyone on the team (except Pence) way before that.
Posted by: astrosfan | October 31, 2007 at 12:43 PM
I don't think it's crazy speculation at all. Scott is terrible defensively, has no speed, is a streaky hitter, he's 30, and injury prone. With Lee in the outfield it would be nice to have 2 defensive, speedy outfielders with a good bat. Luke is very popular in Houston, but to trade him away for some pitching and pick up a couple of decent free agents would put Houston in the running in the dismal NL Central. Astro fans need to stop placing so much love on some of our one year wonders, ie Morgan Ensberg, Jason Lane ring a bell for anyone. No way do they deal Oswalt or Berkman, not going to happen!
Posted by: mitch4ya | October 31, 2007 at 06:54 PM
Oh yeah, erase any thoughts of A-Rod that's never going to happen either!! For up to $30 million a year we could get a couple of good pitchers.
Posted by: mitch4ya | October 31, 2007 at 06:57 PM