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Crisp Rather Than Rowand For White Sox?
Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times says Aaron Rowand has already priced himself out of the White Sox's range. Apparently the Sox talked to Rowand before they made an offer to Torii Hunter, and found the number of years Rowand requested to be out of the question. Randy Miller said back in mid-October that Rowand was looking for a six-year, $84MM deal. Cowley sees the Rangers and Dodgers as the main suitors for Rowand.
Cowley believes the White Sox, meanwhile, will move on to Coco Crisp. They've long had interest in him. I'm not sure how the White Sox and Red Sox would match up though. The Red Sox are asking for quite a bit for Crisp - three prospects. The Rangers balked upon hearing this.
Cowley also suggests that Kenny Williams could attempt to acquire Willy Taveras. This seems more speculation than anything, based on Williams' pursuit of him a year ago. Trading him would seem to create a hole for the Rockies, and they have no need for Joe Crede.
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I read this in the paper today, and this isnt the first dumb idea joe cowley has ever come up with. he always has some trade scenario proposed that doesnt make sense for the other trade partner. It is well known that the sox have an interest in crisp, but boston seems to be really trying to hold onto him to deal possibly for santana. personally, i think they overvalue crisp a bit, hes a great fielder, but hasnt been able to hit the last few years. sure his contract looks good for the next two years, but Brian Anderson can play gold glove defense and hit in the .250 range for league minimum. So if I were the white sox, i'd be wary of the asking price for crisp.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 08:52 AM
and by dumb trade proposal, i meant the taveras for joe crede idea.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 08:55 AM
As bad as the Linebrink deal is, $4.5 mil won't prohibit moves in the next four years. I'm glad to see that Kenny seems to be shying away from completely handicapping himself (or a new GM perhaps) in the future.
I'd love to see Rowand back on opening day, but not at anywhere near his desired salary. I have a feeling that after leaving Manuel's tutoring, he is going to return to the old Rowand 6-4 (he led the league in ground outs to short in '05 I believe).
Posted by: Silver | November 28, 2007 at 08:56 AM
Oh wow, yeah, Taveras for Crede works for the Sox, but that's a terrible idea for the Rockies. They already have Ian Stewart learning second base because of Atkins. Where in the world would Crede play?
Posted by: TrueCubsFan | November 28, 2007 at 09:04 AM
Kudos to Kenny for not just giving this guy what he wants. He is NOT going to be the Rowand of last year.
Tavaras would fit very well for the Sox...he could be a Pods type of player for them when Pods was actually decent. However, Crede isn't going to do anything for the Rockies...so I'm not sure what else they have to offer that would be any good. Any ideas Sox fans? Gio maybe? Is that too much?
Posted by: Aduncaroo | November 28, 2007 at 09:10 AM
The Rockies have no use for Crede. Giving up Gio would be way too much.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | November 28, 2007 at 09:20 AM
Garland would have been a starting point for someone like taveras, but thats obviously not gonna happen. I dont even know what the rockies need, SP??? I wouldnt give up Gio for Taveras, but I'd consider Broadway and/or someone else, possibly Sweeney. But the Rox are in a win now mode, since obviously they made the WS and I dont see them trading Taveras at all. Cowley is a moron for the most part. Sox are going to get a CF, but I dont think its going to come via free agency unless Kenny pays for Andruw.
the problem with trading for a CF is that I'm not really sure who is available besides GMJ, which i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole, Crisp, possibly Pierre, Baldelli, and Freel. Freel would be a nice risk to take, probably would only take someone like Broadway, Egbert, or some other young SP not named Gio Gonzalez of Fautino DLS. Reds are always looking for young SP.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 09:21 AM
The Sox were willing to spend 15m per on Hunter. In my opinion they really have 2 options left...One is Jones fires Boras and they sign him to play CF.
Outside of Jones the only other OF I would consider is Fukodome at 10m per. The Sox were willing to play crappy players like Erstad, Rob Mack., and Andy Gonzalez in CF so why not play Fukodome there who I know would be sub par. Another thing they can do is put Fukodome in LF and just keep Owens in CF. With Fukodome that still leaves another 4-5m that they were willing to spend on a possible trade or FA signing.
Thoughts? I really think Crisp is overrated and not the answer.
Posted by: Franchise | November 28, 2007 at 09:23 AM
Which is worse...
Roward for 6/84 or Hunter for 5/90?
Jon Daniels, please stay out of this garbage...There's no need.
Posted by: N41D | November 28, 2007 at 09:44 AM
I watched Coco play in nearly every game he played in this year. He had an unbelievable year defensively in CF. As frustrating as his bat was, it was acceptable due to the fact that he played so well in the field. He's not as hot of a commodity as he was when he was with Cleveland, but the guy still brings a great deal of value to a team with his defense and speed. If he hits .270 and steals 30, he'd be an elite CF because of his defense. He's that good out there.
I'm not saying he's a stud, and he's not as good as the Hunters and Jones' of the world, but considering paying Aaron Rowand $15+ Mill per year for the next 6 years, or paying Coco $19M for the next 3 years (that includes picking up his $8M option), I'm taking Crisp. Thats why he is so valuable right now.
Posted by: Papelboner | November 28, 2007 at 09:44 AM
What about trading for Carl Crawford?
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | November 28, 2007 at 09:49 AM
You are right, Crisp for the money is not a bad move because of his defense. That is why the white Sox love him, they love defense. the problem is the Sox obp was complete ass last year and they need a boost.
another factor is the red sox are tryin to win now, the white sox have nothing to offer in that department really besides jenks.
Posted by: Franchise | November 28, 2007 at 09:49 AM
I doubt we have enough major league ready talent the Rays would want in return for Crawford. Actually, i dont doubt it, i know it.
I dont see what the big deal is about crisp other than him being cheap compared to other FA Center Fielders. I think he'd put up numbers similar to Rowand in the AL with similar defense. Rowand only had one GOOD year offensively with the Sox when i believ he hit 20 homers and hit around .280. Id be cautious on who i gave up for crisp, it definitely wouldnt be one of my everyday starters. Red sox, you can have macdougal, hahahaha.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 09:57 AM
I don't see anyone the White Sox could offer for Crisp either. I even took a look at their AA and AAA teams and didn't see any prospects that match.
Unless the White Sox go absolutely bats**t crazy and hand over Josh Fields, I don't see it happening.
Posted by: metafrantic | November 28, 2007 at 10:49 AM
three prospects is insane for an average OF. coco crisp is far from a star. kenny, move on.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM
I think it would depend on who the prospects were. If they were fairly low-level and didn't project too highly, then it might be worth it for a proven major-leaguer who can put up roughly league-average offense and exceptional defense, and who's signed cheap for three years. But generally speaking, three prospects seems like far too much.
The Red Sox are in the position of strength with Crisp, since they don't HAVE to trade him... keeping him as a 4th OF would be expensive for a bench guy, but Ellsbury would balance out the cost, and Crisp would be an above-average 4th OF. So they can wait until they get blown away before they trade him.
Posted by: metafrantic | November 28, 2007 at 11:27 AM
So, the ChiSox finally get rid of the stigma that is Pods, but are thinking about replacing him with…well, Pods-2? Seriously, the only player with as little talent and as much hype as Pods the last couple years has been Tavares, and their “skill set” (if you can call it that) match almost perfectly. If they wanted WillieT, they should have just kept Pods to begin with…
And as someone else pointed out, what the heck would Col do with Crede? Plus, the guy will make a little bit in Arb ~ so its Crede + Cash being added to the Rockies; neither of which make sense…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 28, 2007 at 11:43 AM
I agree, the White Sox and the Red Sox don't match up well in a deal. Unless they expanded the deal so the Sox would get Jenks, but I don't see them doing that.
Posted by: Papelboner | November 28, 2007 at 12:00 PM
We already have Pods-2...His name is Jerry Owens.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | November 28, 2007 at 12:03 PM
yeah, a slap hitting, left handed throwing, absolutely zero power, base stealing pile of nothingness.
Posted by: trober81 | November 28, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Exactly.
Posted by: BIGHURT35 | November 28, 2007 at 12:09 PM
Andruw Jones or Fukodome or bust...dont waste anymore money on this season if it truly doesnt help the team.
Posted by: Franchise | November 28, 2007 at 12:18 PM
I hope the White Sox get over being so stubborn and sign Andrew Jones! As a White Sox fan even in the northside I was really starting to notice see this city as a sox town in the not to distant future. You go to the mall or even walk around in wrigleyville and there is sox stuff everywhere! Even after a season like last season I still feel like we have this city in our hands, we just have to take it!!! We need to stop losing these bidding wars and make an impact move it would mean alot to the fans! Losing out on torri hunter didn't sit well with me and millions of others it mad Thanksgiving turkey taste bad, but I still have faith in kw please get it done!!!!!!!
Posted by: CUBS=NOTHING | November 28, 2007 at 08:57 PM