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By Tim Dierkes [November 29, 2007 at 4:13pm CST]
ESPN's Jayson Stark always cranks out a bunch of new rumors when he writes a column. This week is no exception.
- Jose Reyes: going nowhere.
- Probably since they hope to include him in a Johan Santana deal, the Red Sox won't trade Coco Crisp until that situation is resolved. The Rangers liked Crisp, but are considering interesting alternatives: Rocco Baldelli, Jim Edmonds, and Juan Pierre. If only Ned Colletti could get someone to take his Pierre contract. Then he could sign another one almost equally as bad. Then he could trade Aaron Rowand a year from now and repeat the process.
- The Braves also liked Crisp, so they'll move on for now. Stark speculates a stopgap like Dave Roberts could work.
- More speculation: Andruw Jones as a darkhorse signing for the Royals. I guess that would push David DeJesus out of center field.
- Is there an unmentioned Mystery Team in on Johan Santana? Stark's sources suggest the Mariners, but those guys must not read Jon Heyman's column. I'll go with the Reds as my guess on the Mystery Team, if there is one.
- Speaking of guesses, Stark surmises that the Padres and Mets could be interested in Jose Guillen, aside from the Royals.
- More rumblings that Vicente Padilla could be traded this winter. Funny quote about how Padilla doesn't have baggage - he has luggage. In fact his luggage cannot be carried, rather it requires a mid-sized cart.
Please God...let the Ranger take Juan Pierre.
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 29, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Pierre for Padilla???
Rangers supposedly want to get out of the Padilla contract and might be dumb enough to take Pierre.
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 29, 2007 at 04:24 PM
There's ALWAYS a mystery team.
Padilla's not a bad pitcher, but you really have to weigh his baggage. The Padres tend not to care about baggage so much...
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | November 29, 2007 at 04:31 PM
If the Royals do indeed sign Andruw, I would think that would open up DeJesus up for trading, and a perfect opportunity for Atlanta to try and snag him if the price is right.
Posted by: Something Profound | November 29, 2007 at 04:38 PM
Padilla...he's always good for crawling away from a fight he started.
Posted by: J.L. | November 29, 2007 at 04:40 PM
I would like too see Roberts in a Braves uni more than Dejesus. Finally some interest in someone that shouldn't cost alot. Giants got pitching so their looking for position players. Maybe the Braves could get a decent pitching prospect in exchange for lillebridge, Brandon Jones or Prado. Also a Utility guy is needed for the Bravos.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 04:45 PM
Don't be so quick to count out the M's as the mystery team after Santana... Jon Heyman is operating under faulty assumptions.
"The Twins would almost certainly start the conversation by asking for Adam Jones and Brandon Morrow. And there is practically no scenario under which Seattle could give up Jones, now that Jose Guillen is gone."
Actually, a recent interview from Bavasi states that Seattle has only 2-3 untouchables - Ichiro, probably with Felix Hernandez and Adrian Beltre. Jones is in for the right player, and how could you get more 'right' than Santana - an ace lefty SP, top-3 in MLB, in Safeco ... with a practically perfect injury history? This info from Geoff Baker at the Seattle Times: http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2007/11/nobodys_untouchable_except_fel.html
"The Mariners also would have trouble coming up with a third and/or fourth piece, since their most high-profile prospect, catcher Jeff Clement, wouldn't fit Minnesota's needs. And one more thing: Seattle probably wouldn't be a place Santana would be anxious to waive his no-trade clause to go to, either. So never mind."
Two more faulty assumptions. The Twins could definitely use Jose Lopez at 3rd, and while he has struggle recently the kid demolished the minors at a scary-young age, and earned an All-Star appearance in the first half of his rookie season. It's definitely possible... also possible is Johan looking at Seattle as a perfect place for a lefty SP to dominate as he considers his legacy, and realizing that the team is improving. Add Santana, and that team is squarely in the playoff hunt... one more quality piece after that and they can probably make a deep run into October.
Posted by: KingCorran | November 29, 2007 at 04:54 PM
If we are allowing for a MYSTERY team, wonder if Blue Jay's JP the GM is feeling the heat (he SHOULD be). If the price tag is a young MLB high-end pitcher, a top offensive prospect and some more MLB-ready help, would McGowan, Snyder, Chacin and Frasor/Prospect interest the Twins? The loonie's parity to the USA peso might make Santana's salary affordable on the Toronto bottom line, especially if there's a couple of games of playoff revenue. I'd hate to give up McGowan and wouldn't hate seeing Marcum on the go, but JP's gotta make a splash in '08 or it's adios.
Posted by: Gary Mugford | November 29, 2007 at 04:55 PM
I would hate to see the Braves give up Lillebridge or Brandon Jones even if they do get a prospect with Dave Roberts. They have too much potential, and even if they can't find a place on the team, they may end up anchoring a trade like Salty did.
Dave Roberts is a player I would like to see in a Braves Uniform. He isn't as fast as he used to be, but he is still faster than anybody on the team now. Even more important than his speed though is his average and obp. It would be one of the best moves the Braves have a chance of making.
Posted by: TheAngelicDoctor | November 29, 2007 at 04:58 PM
I don't want too give up lillebridge either. He could be a good player. What a steal in the laroache trade! Don't mind Jones being traded. Do the Giants need bullpen help maybe Devine. If not Roberts I like Ryan Church for WAS.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:02 PM
Homer Bailey, Edwin Encarnacion, and Joey Votto for Santana? It's feasible but what would Castellini do in 09 if the Reds reversed their 3 straight years of 20 mil in net income and operated at a loss next year? And if the Twins insist on Bruce there is zero chance it could happen. Also keep in mind, would the Twins really want to give the AL title to the Yanks or Red Sox for the next 5,6 years? I think they push hard to move him to the NL, but eventually he goes to the Red Sox.
Posted by: Grizzlyfox | November 29, 2007 at 05:05 PM
The problem with Seattle is that they only have one piece- Jones. Morrow walked 50 batters in 64 IP. The Mariners screwed up big-time rushing him to the Bigs and sticking him in the bullpen.
Lopez is totally worthless. Luis Rivas II. Clement has no place to play. For Seattle to even begin talks for Santana would require a 3rd team and a lot of creativity.
Posted by: jehu | November 29, 2007 at 05:08 PM
Reds should make a title push this year. Can always dump Dunn and Griffey in 09 for a chance too resign Johan.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:09 PM
I like that idea of Church as well, but there won't be any trading within the division. Wait, can he even play CF? I imagine that if he could, the Nats wouldn't be searching for one.
Posted by: TheAngelicDoctor | November 29, 2007 at 05:10 PM
Yeah he could play their I think and I hope. I think having relations with Kastan he would do it. Don't you think? Thier not ready to compete yet anyways. They do need pitching though. Nook Logan or Pena could play CF Logan for sure. What do the Nationals do with Nick Johnson and Dimitri Young?
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:14 PM
Dave Roberts shouldn't cost much...It would be a nice salary dump for Giants...
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 29, 2007 at 05:22 PM
What would the giants want in return Zito4cyyooung.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:24 PM
How about Nate McLouth from the Pirates, Ryan Freel, or Luke Scott or Hunter Pence from the Astros? I think they could all be CF options for the Braves. Of course, 3 of the 4 are pretty inexperenced, and the Braves have plenty of inexperenced players as it is, but they show more major league ready ability than any of the Brave's options now. One of them could end up being a solid 4th OF if not a future starter, or they could be traded again before arbitration.
Even if Kastan and Wren got along, you just don't see trading in the division. That doesn't mean it can't happen, I just don't see it. Johnson/Young is an interesting situation. I could see either one being traded at the deadline, probably Johnson. The Nats are looking to compete soon with the new park and all, and they've been smart about it, not just throwing money at free agents.
Work is over. It's dinner time!
Posted by: TheAngelicDoctor | November 29, 2007 at 05:27 PM
The M’s also have Matt Morse as a ML-ready-now 3B possibility and guys like Wladimir Balentien, Carlos Triunfel and Matt Tuiasosopo for some strength to the deal. Then a guy like Phillippe Aumont could be added from the Pitching side…
Its not as unimaginable as some might think…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 29, 2007 at 05:29 PM
Was gonna mention Freel. He would come cheaper now becuase he was injured and barely played in the season. Might not give you the best stats but does give defense and all out hustle which would be better than Jones lollygag attitude. I said lollygag thats right.
Posted by: braves077 | November 29, 2007 at 05:31 PM
braves 007
The Giants pressing needs are 3B, power bat, relief help...
So anything in that category....for a power bat, I'm sure it would be a package deal Lowry or Sanchez / Roberts + propect
Or Robert for a prospect straight up
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 29, 2007 at 05:39 PM
"How about Nate McLouth from the Pirates, Ryan Freel, or Luke Scott or Hunter Pence from the Astros? "
I could see maybe the first three, but i would have to think that Pence is untouchable, he's pretty much the only good young position player the Astros have, except maybe J.D. Towles. Their farm system is awful.
And I agree with darkstar, the Mariners have some other decent talent. Obviously it would start with Adam Jones and Brandon Morrow, but what if the M's were willing to also offer Carlos Triunfel and another guy? Triunfel is extremely young, similar to guys like Villalona (SF) and Andrus (TEX), but with a couple right turns he could be a superstar. Considering Jones and Morrow both also have superstar potential, I would think that if it was okay with Santana, a Mariners deal could happen. Something like Jones, Morrow, Triunfel and Balentien. The Twins would look real good then.
C- Mauer
1B- Morneau
2B- Casilla
3B- Cuddyer
SS- Harris
LF- D. Young
CF- A. Jones
RF- Balentien
DH- Kubel
Rotation:
Some combination of:
Liriano
Morrow
Slowey
Perkins
Bonser
Baker
That team would be unreal in a few years, and would leave them being incredibly cheap, and able to offer Morneau and Mauer huge extensions.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 05:40 PM
except now that i think about it that infield would be awful defensively. oh well.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 05:43 PM
Padilla seems to have pissed off the Rangers managment quite a bit. I think the final straw was from late in the season when the Rangers were playing an already heated series against the A's, in which Nick Swisher had been hit (total in the series) about 4 times, along with several other beanings on both sides. The previous two games, the Rangers bullpen had been taxed.
Padilla comes out, and for the 2nd batter of the game (Swisher), throws two balls at Swisher, misses him, and then finally pegs him with the third pitch (this is the 2ND batter of the game, and about the 3 of the 4 pitches to Swisher have been at him).
Swisher finally has enough of being hit, charges the mound.
And after the game, Ron Washington (a fan favorite when he was coaching for Oakland) went ballistic on Padilla, that he selfishly went after the other team and let down his teammates and his bullpen, who had to come out yet again when already down to a few pitchers.
Even the managment had to call the A's FO and appologize.
Then, if I remember correctly, they announced he wouldn't be making any more starts the rest of the year.
Posted by: Zonis | November 29, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Send Padilla to the Cubs. Gives sweet Lou a new form of nasty boys with Padilla and the big Z. Would Texas be dumb enough to take Marquis and just call it a salary dump?
Posted by: touchmymonkey | November 29, 2007 at 06:21 PM
I really hope Padilla doesn't end up in a Cubby uniform. He seems like a douchebag and I would rather have Marquis anyways. Plus, just think how bad Marquis would be in AL.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 06:25 PM
Pierre for Padilla doesn't seem like a bad idea for the Dodgers.
Pierre has 4 years left on his contract, while Padilla only has 2.
Dodgers get rid of their mistake, replace him in center with Kemp(even though I think Ethier is the more polished fielder), and toss D.Young in the OF.
If they sign an OF make sure his name isn't Rowand, because he will be next year's Gary Matthews Jr. Someone who showed average skills up until a contract year in their 30's.
Padilla is still a decent pitcher that can be plugged into the 4/5 spot for the Dodgers. Give Padilla a medicinal MJ card for his "anxiety", and the Dodgers just found a way to control his temper. =)
Posted by: Chillin | November 29, 2007 at 06:27 PM
I could see Andruw Jones going to KC. Isn't KC's GM the former Atlanta Assitant GM?
Posted by: striker | November 29, 2007 at 06:38 PM
"So anything in that category....for a power bat, I'm sure it would be a package deal Lowry or Sanchez / Roberts + propect"
zito4cyyoung.....Who would the braves have to give up for that package?
Posted by: bravesfan23 | November 29, 2007 at 06:59 PM
Shouldn't we try to move Padilla for a guy with a shorter contract? Richie Sexson has only a year left on his deal, plus he plays a solid 1B which is something we need (Cat is a butcher at 1B). SEA could use another starter, and they could move Ibanez to 1B (he played there in KC) so maybe they'd be amenable to such a deal.
Posted by: rangerchick | November 29, 2007 at 07:23 PM
I'm surprised people have found Padilla trade ideas to be so fascinating. The guy blows and everyone here is just trying to think of ways to get something in return that might suck boners on a slightly less consistent basis. And honestly i have no idea why any GM would consider acquiring him unless it was to get out of an equally awful contract that was longer in years
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 07:51 PM
Scribble,
“I would think that if it was okay with Santana, a Mariners deal could happen. Something like Jones, Morrow, Triunfel and Balentien. The Twins would look real good then.”
Shoot, I think that would probably be too much in comparison to what others are offering and that a Morrow, Triunfel, Balentien & Morse package might be able to get it done. Worst case scenario you toss in another B-level pros.
You are then looking at something like:
C- Mauer, 1B- Morneau, 2B- Casilla, 3B- Morse, SS- Harris
LF- Cuddy, CF- D.Young (for 1 year), RF- Balentien, DH- Kubel ~ then when Pridie is ready for 09 you move him to CF, Young to an corner spot and either Balentien or Cuddy to DH ~ or they become trade bait….
But who knows what will happen…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 29, 2007 at 07:52 PM
scribbletone...
That's why I'm suggesting Pierre...he has the worst contract in baseball
I would rather re-sign Darren Dreifort than keep Pierre. At least old DD didn't hurt the team...he just never played.
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 29, 2007 at 07:57 PM
"Shoot, I think that would probably be too much in comparison to what others are offering and that a Morrow, Triunfel, Balentien & Morse package might be able to get it done"
Ya know that deal might work, but I just don't see how the Twins could not take back Adam Jones. Maybe instead of the four guys I listed (which probably was excessive), something like Adam Jones, Morrow, and then let the Twins choose from a select group of guys (Balentien, Morse, Tuiasosopo, Jose Lopez)
Posted by: scribbletone | November 29, 2007 at 08:22 PM
If Pierre does get moved to Texas, LA will probably have to pick up part of the salary, even if Padilla comes back. And Tim is right, Colletti probably unloads Pierre, then turns around and signs Rowand for too many years and too much money.
Everytime I see a picture of Ned Colletti, he look like a cluless schmuck with a very bad mustache. Does this guy know what he'sdoing?
Posted by: jskohl | November 29, 2007 at 09:52 PM
No one is fascinated with trading for Padilla, we are just fascinated with banishing Pierre.
Posted by: Chillin | November 29, 2007 at 10:24 PM
If Pierre goes, then Colletti will definitely sign an overrated CF to replace the overrated CF.
However, i'll take almost anyone over Pierre...and Rowand is anyone.
When I suggested Pierre for Padilla at the outset I thought that LAD would likely need to pick up some money. Both Pierre and Padilla make $9MM/yr. However, Pierre's deal extends 2 years longer than Padilla's. Therefore, LAD might need to pony up some money for the final 2 years of the deal. Maybe $4MM for each year.
It's still worth it to get rid of Pierre.
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 29, 2007 at 11:00 PM
"So anything in that category....for a power bat, I'm sure it would be a package deal Lowry or Sanchez / Roberts + propect"
zito4cyyoung.....Who would the braves have to give up for that package?
I'm not so familiar with Braves stats. I was hoping we would have tried for Renteria...I really like Mike Gonzalez and if you have a high 3B prospect maybe?
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 30, 2007 at 10:41 AM
Mike Gonzalez is staying put, and I don't think that the Braves have a 3B prospect. At least a high one. The Braves aren't looking to add more starting pitching now, so I think Lowry is out of the picture. If I was the Giants, I wouldn't trade him anyway.
Posted by: TheAngelicDoctor | November 30, 2007 at 11:56 AM
I am hoping that Edmonds is shipped out. He is good when he plays. His many injuries throughout a season get old.
Posted by: B-DIDDLES | November 30, 2007 at 05:33 PM