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UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 8:46pm: Tony La Russa had some choice words concerning Rolen tonight. Maybe they can't coexist, after all.
FROM 12-5-07 at 8:26pm:
Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch recently appeared on the radio. Colleague Bernie Miklasz transcribed it.
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Rolen: "Remember that time you got hammered then passed out in your car then couldn't remember the alphabet and it was posted on YouTube?"
LaRussa: "STFU!!!"
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | December 05, 2007 at 08:29 PM
LMAOROFL
Posted by: melharts | December 05, 2007 at 08:34 PM
i want miggyy!!
Posted by: AMAC11 | December 05, 2007 at 08:48 PM
A B C D X Y X Y W R Q S T, im not drunk officer I swear.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 05, 2007 at 08:51 PM
anthony reyes, randy flores, and rolen for miggy... and we give em 10 million
Posted by: AMAC11 | December 05, 2007 at 08:52 PM
thats a really long acronym...anyways, if we are to get Bedard we are going to have to give up something. enough of the cardinals playing with my heart saying they are going after big name players then saying they were demanding too much or the value wasn't there.
They said three or four major league ready or close to prospects. To get it done it will have to be something we begrudgingly give up, not just Reyes and Edmonds or something.
I wouldn't be upset if the final trade was for Reyes, Bryan Anderson, Chris Duncan, Tyler Johnson? I don't think we have the pure talent to give up only 3 so I would say 4 will have to suffice.
I think Dunc would be a good fit at first there. and would be happy to see him get a shot
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 08:52 PM
Tejada I presume, amac? Can I just ask why? and for what team?
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 08:54 PM
Where exactly in that article was LaRussa scathing towards Rolen. I thought LaRussa was pretty frank. He didn't call him a bad player, didn't say he wasn't worth what he is being paid. He just said that his stature has slipped because he has missed a ton of time.
If that hurts Rolen's feeling, boo hoo. He better not look at any of the boxscores over the past 3 years either, then.
Posted by: HL | December 05, 2007 at 08:57 PM
erik bedard and miguel tejada for scott rolen, anthony reyes, randy flores, bryan anderson, chris duncan, brendan ryan, and jarret hoffpauir, and cash
Posted by: AMAC11 | December 05, 2007 at 08:57 PM
sorry about the punctuality of my post I think my internet's f'ed up. I don't want tejada at all. for the record
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 08:58 PM
so u want kennedy at second??? get tejada and shift izturis to second....sickass middle infield combo
Posted by: AMAC11 | December 05, 2007 at 09:02 PM
"erik bedard and miguel tejada for scott rolen, anthony reyes, randy flores, bryan anderson, chris duncan, brendan ryan, and jarret hoffpauir, and cash"
And this is a good idea for the Orioles.. how? If they traded those two guys seperately they could get probably 3 top prospects for Bedard and 1-2 top prospects for Tejada. Not one guy you offered is a top prospect. You didn't even include Colby Rasmus or Jaime Garcia in the offer, even though those two are probably their best two prospects. AMAC11 you have completely failed at thinking of a reasonable trade scenario.
How about Tejada to the Cards for Chris Duncan, Bryan Anderson and Brendan Ryan.
Theres almost no reasonable scenario in which the Cardinals could get Bedard, and if they did they would have to give up their whole farm system essentially
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 09:03 PM
While realistically, you and I know that the Baltimore Orioles should begin negotiations and end negotiations with Colby Ramsus in a deal for Erik Bedard, keep this in mind...
...they are the Baltimore Orioles.
Posted by: HL | December 05, 2007 at 09:07 PM
jaime garcia is a bum, and rasmus is a top 3 overall prospect...colby's goin no where....and how is tejada worth 1-2 top prospects ...he's like 33-34, lost range, lost power, and is wed 26 mill over nex 2 years ....IDIOT
Posted by: AMAC11 | December 05, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Anyone know what time the rule 5 draft is on Thursday?
Posted by: hemingways | December 05, 2007 at 09:11 PM
A retarded monkey would know better than to trade Bedard without getting Rasmus in return. Is Peter Angelos a retarded monkey.. who's to say..
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 09:11 PM
AMAC11,
What do you think? The Orioles are gonna dump their franchise player for nothing? Tejada is definately worth 1-2 top prospects. He's actually ONLY 31. This year was the first time he missed a game since 2000, he's still a decent middle of the order option, could play a decent third base and at $13M is pretty fair. He has lost some of his range, but who is to say that he's declining as a hitter. The year before he batted 330 with 214 hits and 24 hr.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 09:16 PM
Tejada will be dealt this off-season, no question about it... He carries the ol' steroid stigma, and they're looking to cleanse their hands of him. I don't see him baiting two high prospects. It'd be the same deal with Rolen.
Posted by: Zoop | December 05, 2007 at 09:41 PM
all I can say is, wtf, LaRussa!?
If you cared about the cardinals organization why would you devalue one of our greatest trading chips by bashing him publicly. I wasn't sure about the idea of bringing tony back, but I am now starting to formulate a pretty staunch opinion.
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 09:49 PM
"I don't see him baiting two high prospects. It'd be the same deal with Rolen."
I think there's a huge difference between Rolen and Tejada. Rolen has been hurt in the last 2 years, and Tejada missed games this year for the first time since 2000. Rolen batted 331/398/729 while Tejada batted 357/442/799 and showed much less decline than Rolen. Tejada is 31 and is under contract for 2/26 and Rolen is 32 and under contract for 3/36. Tejada is farrr more valuable than Rolen, even if Rolen is the superior defender.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 05, 2007 at 09:50 PM
all I can say is, wtf larussa?!
Posted by: StLknows | December 05, 2007 at 09:53 PM
Actually, the Cards might be a good fit with Cleveland for a deal ~ give them a couple pieces a bit cheaper than they can probably find them elseware.
Marte needs to be traded, has solid D at 3B, provides power and ideally will begin to hit at the ML if given the chance...
Lee has already been rumored to them, although I think it was debunked. The Tribe needs to deal him though, and StL could definitely use the arm.
Not sure what type of return or whatever, but the players might fit much easier then the other types of deals they are talking. I know the Tribe has expressed interest in Reyes and Anderson ~ maybe talks are going on anyway…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | December 05, 2007 at 09:55 PM
While true, if Tejada gets hit with a hefty suspension, that's essentially the same as missing time due to injury. When all is said and done, missing games is missing games--regardless of the cause.
Posted by: Zoop | December 05, 2007 at 10:02 PM
Sorry guys, even if you included Rasmus which I know you guys don't want to do, I can't see how you would be able to get Bedard. Tejada is another story, but from what has been rumored, Rasmus + 2 still proabably wouldn't get it done.
Posted by: OsFan | December 05, 2007 at 10:31 PM
I just read LaRussa's comments and that guy is an idiot. Why would he do that? Did he think that would help? He just admitted that Rolen asked for the trade....and told the nation. Rolen's value just got worse with all this crap happening in public. Tony is an idiot.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 05, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Yeah, TLR really boned the Cards by outing that piece of info. As I stated on beat writer Matthew Leach's blog, it's like TLR bought Mo a big neon blinking hat for the Holidays that states "WE ARE INCREDIBLY DESPERATE TO MOVE SCOTT ROLEN! PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF AFFECTION BY ROBBING US BLIND!"
Posted by: Zoop | December 05, 2007 at 10:43 PM
ahh i remember the time the red sox offered manny ramierez, and matt clement for miggy and the orioles said no
Posted by: dc | December 06, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Scott Rolen i would take anyday on my team and that team is Milwaukee Brewers, we need a veteran like him and then we can move braun into left field, then we would win the world series!
Posted by: audman13 | December 06, 2007 at 02:57 PM