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Giants Plan To Keep Pitchers
According to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle, the Giants are looking to add a bat without trading pitching. The names mentioned remain Joe Crede and Brandon Inge, but the White Sox and Tigers want hurlers.
The equation doesn't seem to make sense on the surface - if the Giants won't trade pitching, and they have no hitters to speak of, how are they going to make an acquisition?
As we learned Thursday, the answer is that the Giants may only be looking to trade undesirable veterans. Names like Scott Williamson, Randy Messenger, and Dave Roberts have been part of Brian Sabean's offers for Crede. Kenny Williams scoffed at this, inquiring about Jonathan Sanchez. The gap may be too wide to bridge. I have to side with San Francisco on this one - the demand for Crede and Inge quite low, and the Giants don't have a strong need for either. Aaron Rowand isn't holding his breath for a Crede-to-San Fran trade.
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Brian Sabean reminds me of the guys I get trade offers from in my fantasy leagues - they want my starters, and in return they offer waiver wire fodder ! - not going to happen ! ..lol
Posted by: Jim T | March 18, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Sabean is smart for once..
Crede hasn't proved jsck during S.T. no way Sanchez is in the equation.
Inge is owed FAR more than he is worth. Messenger plus Tigers pay a huge chunk of the contract is fair.
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | March 18, 2008 at 09:24 AM
Trading Crede, Inge, or Juan Pierre now is like trying to unload a house in Florida, California, or Las Vegas.
Posted by: HoratioAlgae | March 18, 2008 at 09:41 AM
You're right Jim T.
I may side with Sabean to th extent that the guys he's talking about (Crede, Inge, etc.) aren't worth much, but expecting teams to do you a favor by taking your past mistakes off your hands is ridiculous. When Sabean first handed out the contracts to aging vets, most people felt they were all a year too long. Now, he's stuck with them and hopes to somehow coax a gullible GM into taking on flotsam.
To expect to improve without giving up your one significant asset is an exercise in futility. The Giants are going to be bad for a very very long time.
Posted by: Devlsh | March 18, 2008 at 09:50 AM
For a change, this makes Sabean look like he has a brain. He usually isn't of the here's-my-crap-for-someone useful trade school, but the here's-a-flawed-but-high-upside-arm-for-an-overpriced-hacker one. These offers are a big step forward for him.
Quite honestly, though, I don't trust him. I expect his very next trade to be as stupid as his last three.
Devlsh, this team is bad because Sabean is an idiot who likes signing aging, overpriced hackers. The team was going to be bad as soon as Bonds left, and will stay bad until Sabean leaves or gets kicked upstairs in favor of a GM who is not an idiot. Sabean's public statements here have nothing to do with it. His record of futility does.
Posted by: wcw | March 18, 2008 at 10:04 AM
sabean should trade his pitching for bats, just not inge or crede. crede is fa and inge is overpaid. inge for overpaid bullpen guy from giants sounds fair like zitofcyoung said. the giants need hitters and guys like sanchez, correia, and lowry have value to other teams. i believe all pitchers from sf r overrated because of the ballpark so why not trade them for bats.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 18, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Mays Field , over all, ends up being rated as a “fair” park by most metrics I’ve seen. A bit tougher on LHB to hit the ball out of. A bit nicer to line drive RHB then most. So I really don’t get your stance that Mays Filed is Petco or something.
I do get, and agree, the fact that Giants , as an organization, have not produced many note worthy arms in the last 30-40 years through.
Posted by: daveinexile | March 18, 2008 at 02:13 PM
“Now, he's stuck with them and hopes to somehow coax a gullible GM into taking on flotsam.”
…Yet, he’s talking to KW so atleast he’s barking up the right tree!
I gotta say though, Sabian is doing exactly the thing he should be doing and I agree with Tim & everyone else agreeing with Tim…
~ The WhiteSox options are A) Trade Crede to SF or B) keep Crede and pay him despite having no where to really use him.
~ The Tigers options are A) Trade Inge to SF or B) keep Inge and pay him despite having no where to really use him.
That being the case, why would the Giants offer anything really? If the Giants offer anything special, they would be hurting themselves. Since there is basically nothing in the system between their Trash and Desirables/Neededs, well they only have an option of offering Trash or offering Desirables/Neededs. Considering the situation as a whole, I would almost feel lucky I was getting any offer if I was Det/Chi…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | March 18, 2008 at 02:46 PM
i am guessing mays field is what they r calling the giants stadium now? that ballpark is enormous. very tough to hit homers. only bonds on roids hit them out of that park consistently. the giants have no bats but nobody hits them out of that park.
Posted by: Joelcards | March 18, 2008 at 03:20 PM
Sorry Joel. Yes, Mays Field is a nick name some of us Giants fans have hung on the “new” park. It beats a new Telecom name every 12- 18 months.
As for the characteristics of the park look into it again. Like I said a line drive RHB does well there. Day game especially. LHB trying to homers - not so much. I agree its not a band box but we are not talking the Astrodome or Petco in San Diego.
Posted by: daveinexile | March 18, 2008 at 03:29 PM
It's looking like Crede will start for the Sox and either a) play out the year leaving the Sox with a sandwich pick, or b) get floated and traded by 7/31. Josh Fields has started slow and needs work on his glove as well as reducings K's, he also has options and has indicated he would go to AAA without a tantrum. A 2009 draft pick (even with the woeful Sox track record of drafting) would beat the tired and overpaid names I keep reading. I really never saw SF as a good fit since they are not close to winning. I could see Crede in demand if, say, Arod, Lowell or Wright went down with a serious injury. He would be a fit for one year until the "star" player returned on a team built to "win now". I've watched Crede for years in almost every Sox game - his glove really is exceptional, his hitting I believe overrated a bit.
Posted by: 4appling | March 18, 2008 at 03:31 PM
4appling: You are aware Crede would need to equal or better his 2006 season to even have a chance as a compensated Free Agent? That part of why its so hard to move him.
Posted by: daveinexile | March 18, 2008 at 03:35 PM
Yes, to be type A he would. I see his back as healed so it's then a matter of the numbers he posts. Worth the gamble in my eyes. I would also think if dumping him was deemed necessary, odds are better to get a decent prospect in July and hope that Fields has improved.
Posted by: 4appling | March 18, 2008 at 03:42 PM
If he had his career year he might be a type B. His 2007 numbers have dug him a horrendous hole.
Just because he could be the best available 3rd base man on the free agent market next winter does not necessarily make him a compensated player.
Posted by: daveinexile | March 18, 2008 at 03:47 PM
“Yes, to be type A he would.”
Actually, he would have to duplicate or better his 2006 to even be a Type-B. He barely made the cut this year for Type-B, and that’s factoring 2006+2007. 2007+2008 with 2008 looking something like 2006 = barely making the cut again for 2009 in a best case. With more 2B/SS/3B types in the league for their second year though (Pedrioa, Cabrera, etc) ~ well, he could easily end up on the outside of the cut.
Then you have to take into account that the Sox would have to offer arbitration to Crede if he happens to qualify for Type-B, at which point you risk Crede accepting Arb and you have the same problem in 2009 that you have now…
The ChiSox should take a look at everyone they can get now and probably jump on an offer of someone like Roberts or Winn if they have any plans on playing Fields. Atleast Winn/Roberts can be helpful to the team in some capacity with Fields being at 3B ~ otherwise, the Sox will more than likely end up with nothing when Crede walks or be stuck with him for another year of the same problem…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | March 18, 2008 at 03:57 PM
I think the odds are that despite what Sabean says now, he will package a pitcher with a veteran to get both corners filled between now and Opening Day. Magowan wants to fill the seats, and Sabean wants to dump the veteran deadwood. Don't be surprised if Crede and someone like Nick Johnson are in SF soon.
Posted by: Steve Soto | March 18, 2008 at 04:12 PM
darkstar - all good points. I would disagree however that Crede would need to fall back on arbitration - meaning he wouldn't get a decent FA offer. The Sox have stated several times they'd like to sign him to an extension so it's not that they don't want him - the Boros factor prevents it. I personally see Fields being moved to 1B - his bat has good power upside but his glove and arm at 3B are below average. I see the Sox showcasing Crede for the trade deadline as a little better bet. I also don't dismiss the Konerko rumors based on above.
Posted by: 4appling | March 18, 2008 at 04:38 PM