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Cubs Sign Edmonds
5:33pm: He's a Cub, pending a physical.
3:38pm: Sounds like Edmonds will become a Cub after tonight's game and may debut tomorrow.
WEDNESDAY, 11:11am: Edmonds has moved from appearing poised to "about to" sign with the Cubs. Cubs fans don't seem to like the move, but it doesn't seem like anything to get worked up about.
TUESDAY: Gordon Wittenmeyer of the Chicago Sun-Times says the Cubs "appear poised to sign Edmonds after he clears waivers Wednesday."
MONDAY: According to Dave van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune, the Cubs are "exploring the possibility" of signing center fielder Jim Edmonds. This was first reported by Bruce Levine of ESPN Radio 1000 yesterday evening.
Edmonds, 37, was let go after hitting .178/.265/.233 in 103 plate appearances. It's hard to say whether Edmonds has anything left. He did hit relatively well in the last two months of 2007. Van Dyck says Edmonds would replace Felix Pie on the Cubs' roster.
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That's my argument exactly touchmymoney. I appreciate the backup. No one can argue that Edmonds wasn't one of the best centerfielder of all time, but he had to prove it for several years and make some pretty fantastic plays to get that kind of recognition. Pie could get there, but no way is he there yet.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 01:27 PM
"I mean if he's so great, then why are the Cubs going to probably send him down and sign Edmonds? Just b/c Pie is struggling at the plate? "
YES! Read the article in pro sports daily about what Lou had to say about it. He talks about it being tough because he is SO good with the glove...but he has got to work on his hitting. He had a .900 OPS in the minors...he just has to work on his knowledge of the strike zone and shorten his swing. But for you to say my argument has no merit because they wouldn't send him down just because he is not hitting....well...you are just plain wrong, there is no way around it. that is EXACTLY why they are sending him down.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 01:28 PM
“Can someone who is opposed to this signing please explain why you feel that why.....logically. The way I see it there is ZERO DOWNSIDE RISK in signing him.”
…exactly. It doesn’t really hurt the team at all today since Pie isnt hitting anyway, and generally isnt on the field because of that. That means that any defensive difference is completely pointless ~ how would Pie’s D difference help when he is basically doing nothing but sit on the bench? And the move helps tomorrow because maybe now Pie can go back down and continue to work on his issues.
The only real downside I see to it comes in the fact that it probably destroys Pies value completely ~ but if the team is set on sticking with him longterm, then that isnt an issue anyway. Now, if the team does plan on trading him sometime before too long, this was an amazing stupid move, but that’s a complete unknown so there is no need to complain about it…
“Hahahaha.... I ask you to prove what you say, and YOU CAN'T!!! Hahahaha!!!”
…yep, youre just truly pathetic man…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 01:28 PM
He hasn't done anything to disprove but you are still annointing him too fast saying he is one of the best. If he can continue to play at that defensive level for a couple more years, then I will agree with you. Ill be honest, I think Pie has a great chance to be one of the best defensively, just not yet. I agree though, he does have some mad hops for sure.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 01:30 PM
Well to me, that is just stupid if that is the reason.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 01:31 PM
Wow...more compelling proof Dark. Just admit when you are wrong and get on with it...Lou doesn't have some personal grudge against Hill. He just wants him and every other pitcher he has ever managed to throw strikes. Its not rocket science here...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 01:32 PM
I agree with you darkstar1661. I would give Pie a few more weeks to see if he can come around at the plate. He's had a rough time but the kid has some very good upside at the plate as well. Sometimes, all these top prospects need is time. Id give him some more before sending him down, especially if they are going to just trade him in the end anyway.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 01:34 PM
"Well to me, that is just stupid if that is the reason."
None the less, that is the reason. They want more than a defensive stud. They can't have a guy hitting .220\.290 or whatever in their lineup. He needs a better knowledge of the strikezone and he is working on shortening his swing. He can't do that very well only playing once every three games.
Thats their thoery...and I would rather them send him down if they aren't going to play him...or just freakin play the guy, at least against all the right handers...but thats beside the point. Trust me on this...he is that good defensively, and his hitting is the only reason they are sending him down. I won't argue that he isn't the best because you want to see more...thats totally your call. As for me, I trust the metrics until I see otherwise, but he has backed them up so far.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 01:47 PM
One of the best most exciting players in baseball signs a 6 year deal that is ridiculously team friendly, 13 comments.
The Cubs are about to sign a worthless piece of crap 5th outfielder, 110 comments.
Awesome.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Ha...thats hilarious. Put it this way...we are making up for ESPN being all about the Yankees and RedSox all damn day long...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 02:01 PM
There's no doubt Pie has excellent defensive skills, his speed alone gets him to a lot of balls. His speed also makes up for the terrible routes he takes getting there. On enough occasions I've seen him misplay his initial steps and routes and then not make a catch. This is, however, masked by his making some incredibles running grabs in the gap and obviously the Griffey catch. But I wouldn't call him one of the best. Maybe one of the best in Chicago, depending on whether or not Brian Anderson is on the big league team...
And for the record I am a diehard Cubs fan.
Posted by: Dave | May 14, 2008 at 02:03 PM
Disagree if you must...but I'll put money on those defensive metrics coming out again next year with him near the top of the list in RZR and UZR. Anyone want to take that bet? If he was really missing balls he should have got to...it would greatly affect those ratings.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Here is that article I was talking about...on cubs.com. A couple of tidbits...
If the Cubs do add Edmonds, Pie would likely return to Triple-A Iowa. He was batting .222 so far, which included a .286 (10-for-35) clip in his last 15 games after opening the season .143 (4-for-28) in his first 14 games. He's become a special project of Piniella's, but it may be in his best interest to go to the Minors to work on shortening his swing with Minor League hitting instructor Dave Keller.
Piniella said Pie has improved from last season, when he batted .215 in 87 games with the big league team.
"He hasn't been playing every day, which is not the easiest for a young player," Piniella said. "At the same time, he does a heck of a job in the outfield."
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 02:28 PM
“There's no doubt Pie has excellent defensive skills, his speed alone gets him to a lot of balls. His speed also makes up for the terrible routes he takes getting there.”
And his defense means a whole lot of nothing sitting on the bench. Pie has played 12 innings over the last 5 games, since he doesn’t touch the ball every inning you are talking about a minimal difference even if comparing someone with the skills of Mays to a Dunn clone in CF.
Great defender or not, that’s besides the point because it doesn’t mean much to the team right now; or even anytime in the future if he doesn’t start hitting. He wasn’t given a real shot which I know was a huge mistake, but he also didn’t do anything to help his cause by posting a pitiful line yet again. Its kind of funny though, there were some this past offseason proclaiming that he would be a huge asset to the club even if he was hitting something like .250 because of this amazing Defense he will bring ~ a little over a month later, he hits right around that and find himself headed to AAA…
“One of the best most exciting players in baseball signs a 6 year deal that is ridiculously team friendly, 13 comments.
The Cubs are about to sign a worthless piece of crap 5th outfielder, 110 comments.
Awesome.”
…Yeah, but you’ll notice that 50% of them are Adun because he cant allow anyone’s opinion to be posted without chiming in with the 2 cents he borrowed from todays pre-game show…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 02:49 PM
Well there is that.
Clay Buchholz has been put on the DL with a fingernail issue, speculation is that Bartolo Colon could get the start on Tuesday.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Pie is one of the best defensive players in Baseball. He has been doing what he does for years. Playing defense in the minors is the same as in the majors. He has made play after play after play and has been gunning down runners since he started in the minors and since he has been called up he has been doing it in Chicago. Defense is not much different in the minors then the majors. If you have seen him throw the ball from centerfield to home, then you have seen his cannon. Even better then Fukudome or Soriano.
Posted by: uww1 | May 14, 2008 at 02:52 PM
A couple thoughts.... Horrible move by Hendry, no matter how mch Pie is struggling, he is better both offensively and defensively that Jimmy Edmonds is now...
And to Aduncaroo, the Cards only picked up 2 mill on Edmonds, and they didn't get nothing in return...
David Freese is handling AAA very well and has become the future 3b for us.
Posted by: ozziethesaint | May 14, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Pie would be valuable if he was starting every game or nearly every game and hitting .250. But as it stands, he is playing one out of every 4 and hitting .220. Thats not working for anybody...and its obvious. He is only of great value hitting .250 if his defense is being utilized...which it is not right now. Thats not rocket science either...
Pre game show? What are you even talking about? Its called reading Dark. Ever done it? Having an IQ more than 2 helps though...
I don't need to apologize for having good baseball discussions to you or anyone else. Shut up and go away...please. You sit there and bi*ch about number of posts and this site being too centered around the Cubs, yet you contribute to EVERY cubs thread?? come on, you embarrass yourself yet again.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Freese is a 25 year old hitting .274/.328/.453/.781.
I'm not saying he can't make the bigs...or even be good. But its not like those are anywhere close to superstar numbers in the minors for a 3rd basemen. Hell, Felix Pie hit much, much better than that at a younger age. Be careful before you are going to give that guy a "3rd Basemen of the Future" tag.
Time will tell if you got anything in that trade.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:05 PM
Aduncaroo:
I notice that you just love to talk. I also notice that you are citing a Carrie Muskat as your independent source. The writers at MLB.com are little more than parrots for MLB and the organization.
Also notice that doing a "heck of a job" could mean any number of things. When I hear someone talk about another player doing a "heck of a job" I am reminded of the blistering hustle offered by Neifi Perez. (Heck of glove, right?)
I understand that Pie is good and I understand your feeling that Edmonds is not even close to Pie. I don't know if I agree that there is a huge gap between them defensively, but don't go around criticizing people's statments and then citing Carrie Muskat and then declaring yourself the winner (of what i don't know).
Also, I am going to preempt you here. I am sure that she is a legitimate journalist, and her opinion matters. But don't look at her columns like some holy panacea that makes you right. I think it is obvious that she has little in the way of indpendence in what she writes.
Two reasons. One, I have yet to see a critical article written by her - which makes sense considering she works primarly (solely?) for the Cubs website. That would be like slapping your boss in the face. Second, and truly to the point of your argument, she wrote this article on the Edmonds Pie situation last night. We have all heard about this for several days and yet she didnt write about it until 735 last night? Seems like she was seeking permission and making sure that she wouldn't embarass anybody on the club. That lack of independence really impeaches her opinion and demonstrates why she cannot be critical of Pie. So of course he is a "heck of a player."
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:06 PM
I can't stand Carrie Muskat. I was quoting the article to give an example of what Lou said! Are you serious???
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:09 PM
I don't know what people are supposed to think when you quote most of the article for the purposes of trying to rub Dark's nose in it.
You could have said Lou is quoted as saying "Heck of a job" or whatever.
Anyway, tell Carrie I say Hi!
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:13 PM
Did you even read what I quoted??? The only part I was trying to show was where Pie was being sent down because of his hitting, and where it QUOTES Lou as saying he has done a heck of a job in the outfield. Why do you care about any of the rest of it? She sucks, and I know what her job is, and how she won't say a bad word about the Cubs. But none of that has anything to do with her quoting Lou. I don't understand the point you are trying to make here...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:13 PM
skkrman7482,
You obviously can't follow more than one conversation going on at once. The conversation I was having with Dark has nothing to do with the one I was having with JP. I mentioned that there was an article where Lou says he has done a great job in CF, but needs to work on his hitting. Then, I quoted it so he didn't just think I was making it up. Is it that difficult to follow? What the hell does Carrie Muskat have to do with any of it? Lou said it, thats all I cared about in the first place.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:17 PM
My point is that you seem to be awfully critical of people - im thinking Dark here - and then you go and make and entire post that is fluff. "Just admit you are wrong" is what you hurl at dark and then you drop a Muskat. I mean you seem awfulyl serious about all this, which is great - love the passion - but the Muskat article (which felt the need to especially point out) just makes me think maybe you should quit being so critical of Dark and his opinion. I mean Muskat isnt the way to prove him wrong.
Its just odd.
I'm glad you are anti-Muskat.
Also, what the hell is with this "obviously" garbage.
I mean you sound like a petulent little 8 year old and I'm sure you a lot older and more successful than me. But still, don't talk down to people.
I have noticed that you tend to turn conversations into arguments, into mindless dribble - much like our little exchange has become.
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:24 PM
BTW that was critical of people in general - not just Dark.
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:27 PM
Ok...you really should figure out what is going on before you make comments like you did at me.
"Just admit you are wrong" is what you hurl at dark and then you drop a Muskat"
My conversation with Dark goes back to a whole different thread, and our differences go back about a year and a half. You think I'm the only one critical??? Look at his comments.
Darkstar thinks that Lou has a grudge against Rich Hill, and that he doesn't like him personally. I asked him to prove it...which instead of doing so (by quoting an article or something) he just says a bunch of negitive things.
Now, me QUOTING the article that QUOTED Lou was to JP, showing him where I got the idea that the Cubs were sending down Pie stricktly because he couldn't hit.
Does that clear it up??? Do you see now that they have nothing to do with one another, and that I could care less what Carrie Freaking Muskat has to say???
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Anger and Passion... these will lead you to the Dark Side.
So will triple question marks
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:35 PM
Ha...
Thats good and all...but you really shouldn't come on here and make accusations without understanding. That too, will lead to the dark side my friend.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:38 PM
I've always been on Dark's side. right??????????????
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 03:39 PM
Apparently so.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Heres my last post on the whole Pie defensive argument. I agree with Aduncaroo to the degree that Pie is good and even as far as saying that he will be one of the best defensive centerfielders in the future. He does make all the plays and stuff, however, many of the outfielders in baseball do the exact same thing as well. that's why they are in the majors, to make the plays. I could get on here and try to make a case for Rick Ankiel being one of the best after some of the Edmonds-like plays he has made, plus those great throws in Denver last week. However, you notice I'm not saying Ankiel is one of the best yet, why? Because he has not had enough time yet. My feelings about Ankiel are the same about Pie, I believe both could be a couple (maybe even top 5) of the best defensive centerfielders in the game. However, Ankiel still hasn't proven enough to put him in that category and it's the same thing for Pie. Being a Cards fan, I'd love to say that about Ankiel, but I still want him to prove it more before I call him the next Jim Edmonds. Same thing with PIe, after a couple more years he could very well make me eat my words, but Ill still wait though. You guys have fun with your comments.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 03:44 PM
Wow. 131 comments on the Jim Edmonds thread. I wonder if there will be this many if Sammy Sosa signs with the Blue Jays or something.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 14, 2008 at 03:50 PM
While I don't like to repeat myself. This thread should've been aborted.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 03:50 PM
JP,
Thats fair enough. I am anxious to see what the RZR and UZR ratings for Ankiel are.
By the way, Ankiel has the best outfield arm I have ever seen. Ever. Those throws made me wonder how in the world he couldnt throw a strike from the pitchers mound...but thats a whole other story...My jaw literally dropeed when I saw that second one though. Amazing.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 03:50 PM
"By the way, Ankiel has the best outfield arm I have ever seen. Ever."
So I can safely assume you are what 3 years old? Jesus.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Adunc, while Ankiel has a great arm, check out some Roberto Clemente highlights. That guy could chuck it like no other.
Posted by: nrmax88 | May 14, 2008 at 04:00 PM
“Clay Buchholz has been put on the DL with a fingernail issue, speculation is that Bartolo Colon could get the start on Tuesday.”
…This is the first good news my other fantasy team has had in a long while. It’s a keep-league that has a minor-league system, where I was just forced to move Buchholz down since basically my entire infield has managed to land on the DL (Hendrick, Furcal and LaRoche). Nice to hear I didn’t cut someone I could actually use just to keep a guy I question starting every time out, a mere moments before he landed on the DL himself…
“Pie would be valuable if he was starting every game or nearly every game and hitting .250.”
…Wouldn’t a “huge asset” (the actual words used this offseason) be someone you didn’t just sit on the bench though? I mean, “we have this ‘huge asset’ in CF so lets sit him on the bench in favor of a couple guys who we picked up off the scrap-heaps…” Yeah, not buying that one either… (And don’t give me the “but he’s hitting .220” crap, it’s less than a 2 hit difference) But on the other hand, look at the source…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 04:08 PM
“I have noticed that you tend to turn conversations into arguments, into mindless dribble - much like our little exchange has become.”
1) He cant do it; he cant let anyone have an opinion on a Cubs thread without throwing out the same old tired comments or regurgitated pro-Cubs fluff. I mean, its seriously every other post as you can see…
2) he’s blatantly obsessed with me ~ my girlfriend and I think it would be kind of cute if it wasn’t from a supposedly adult male which makes it nothing more than disturbing and creepy beyond compare… Really, I can come onto a Cubs thread, say something as simple as “this will help the Cubs” and he will try to bait a runaround argument about absolutely nothing. I mean, look at the “you MUST say Dempster is reliable” thing ~ last week he couldn’t handle the fact that I said “currently have only one reliable starter” because it didn’t include Dempster. Instead he just kept repeating that he felt I should personally call him reliable for some beyond sane reason…
3) Good luck getting him to understand it… Its much easier to just ignore most of his crap. I mean, I know without doubt I will face it anyway, so I might as well throw some of the questionable things he says back at him (ie, “monster game” or “huge asset”); but trying to hold an actual real conversation with him is continually proved well beyond his ability ~ unless you are in complete Cubs-Homer mode, its pretty much guaranteed to end up just like you described it…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 04:11 PM
"Adunc, while Ankiel has a great arm, check out some Roberto Clemente highlights. That guy could chuck it like no other."
I'm talking about seen as in my lifetime...not saying he has the best arm of all time. I'm talking about the fact that the second throw he made was the best throw that I will probably ever witness happen in my lifetime.
Who in the last 20 years has a hands down better, more accurate arm than Ankiel? There are guys that are arguable, but there isn't anybody that is hands down better.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 04:23 PM
Darkstar, stop acting like you have a girlfried...its pissing your right hand off.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Vlad Guerrero, and Ichiro that took 2 seconds.
Your attempts at being humorous are embarassing.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 04:36 PM
I disagree. I don't think that they have/had hands down better and more accurate arms than Ankiel does. Go watch that replay a couple more times buddy...
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 04:39 PM
Hey I have 2 tickets for tomorow's Cubs game section 129, row 13. Something just came up and I cant go. I bought them off of stubhub. $120 for both tickets. Any takers?
Posted by: uww1 | May 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM
Dempster vs. Maddux
Posted by: uww1 | May 14, 2008 at 04:48 PM
You know what? Im going to apologize for that last remark dark, that was uncalled for, and frankly, its not worth it.
Uww, wish I could!
Arod, I don't think you have sen enough of ankiel to say that those two are hands down better and more accurate. He is at least as good as either of those guys.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 05:10 PM
You know what? Im going to apologize for that last remark dark, that was uncalled for, and frankly, its not worth it.
Uww, wish I could!
Arod, I don't think you have sen enough of ankiel to say that those two are hands down better and more accurate. He is at least as good as either of those guys.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 05:10 PM
I haven't seen enough of someone? You hurt my brain.
"By the way, Ankiel has the best outfield arm I have ever seen. Ever."
Just stop, seriously.
Michael Cuddyer has a better arm, Delmon Young has a better arm, Alex Rios. He is freaking great I get it, but you can drop his jock because he isn't even remotely close to the best you've ever seen. Even if you are 3.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 05:38 PM
Jacque Jones has the best arm. I saw him one time one hop the ball right to the second baseman. It was an awesome throw. Right on the money!!!
Posted by: uww1 | May 14, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Aduncaroo,
My company is hiring, not on the basis of talent, but on time available. Please apply, your all-day dedication to useless argument is impressive.
As for the signing, I'd rather have a young player trying to prove himself than a washed up old slugger tied to my teams rival. Overall, Edmonds seems like a poor chemistry move.
Posted by: terrasaire | May 14, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Ankiel the best outfield arm ever? You haven't seen many arms then. Of course the guy can throw, he was a pitcher with a good heater, but that doesn't make him Raul Mondesi, Vladimir Guerrero, Roberto Clemente, Ichiro or even Jay Buhner with the arm.
Posted by: AA | May 14, 2008 at 06:01 PM
I never said ever! I said that I have seen, meaning IN PERSON. Those guys had good ones too...but I'm not sure any of you are giving Ankiel nearly enough credit here. Obviously, Clemente was spectacular. None of those other guys are hands down better and more accurate than Ankiel! They might be just as good...but to say that you know they are hands down better and more accurate is just not true.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 06:05 PM
http://ballhype.com/video/ankiel_s_arm/
Come on. He as at least as good as the others.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 06:07 PM
You saw a guy make 2 good throws in one game I'm very proud of you. If anyone didn't get it before we now know to take whatever you say with a grain of my god why is he posting this drivel?
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 07:16 PM
That is in one game! Are you serious? Show me a better throw from a guy in the last 20 years than the one where ankiel is on the warning track at coors field and throws a strike the the 3rd base bag.
And don't act like thats the only good throws hes had. Please.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 14, 2008 at 07:27 PM
Im glad we can agree on that. Clemente & Vlad are a couple that I would say have had some of the top arms ever in the game, but Ankiel has a very good arm and I think he will only get better as well. I guess he lost control and couldn't pitch after awhile b/c he throws too damn hard or something. I guess he needed to throw from 150+ feet instead of the roughly 60 feet from the mound to the plate. Watching him throw like that, I remember the great rookie year he had and all Cards fans can only look back and wonder what may have been if Ankiel could have just kept his control.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Quick note: Watching the Cards game and Ankiel just made a great leap and robbed a homerun in dead center. Really reminds me of Edmonds out there with that kind of catch. With that pursuit and that great arm, Ankiel is off to a good start. Not ready to say that he is one of the best centerfielders in the game, but he is sure trying for sure.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 07:37 PM
uww1,
Jacque Jones has the best arm? Are you kidding me? Please buddy.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 07:39 PM
"Jacque Jones has the best arm? Are you kidding me? Please buddy."
You can't talk anymore either.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 08:02 PM
What's the over/under for Edmonds' days in a Cub uniform?
I'll start with--
July 15th
Submit your over/unders boys!
Posted by: cr_hartley01 | May 14, 2008 at 08:03 PM
Give me a reason why I can't talk anymore?
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 08:06 PM
Are you drunk?
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Haven't had a drink at all this evening. What exactly is your problem?
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 08:09 PM
My overall comment on the signing (was more focused on the over/under)can be best described as...
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Hendry is trying too damn hard when he doesn't have to.
Posted by: cr_hartley01 | May 14, 2008 at 08:13 PM
I've been coming to this website for almost 2 years though I don't post often and these tirades are seriously making me reconsider posting at all. I'm sure someone could argue that it's good for the site because it provides entertainment but I would disagree. Rather it's not good for the site at all and frankly you guys are scaring potential newcomers off with these stupid tirades. This isn't constructive criticism its just bashing. Maybe the two of you should sit around a campfire and pass around a joint and your differences would be resolved...or you'd physically attack each other. I would like not to have to scroll through a wall of text every time I'm reading a Cubs thread because you two are going at each other constantly...This is a thread for the discussion of baseball rumors not religion or politics. Control yourselves for the love of god. I must be a bit partial however and add that Adun seems to be blatantly instigating in this thread.
Posted by: CubsFan84 | May 14, 2008 at 08:27 PM
Who exactly are you talking to CubsFan84?
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Tim you got to start blocking some of these people from posting its becoming a disgarce....i thought this was about Jim Edmonds and then everyone else starts going off on rants ....come on people....ive came to this site since tim started it....u guys posting take everything so seriously....you people probably even met each other in person like come on..act your freaking age...are all you guys wat 4?...pathetic
Posted by: Larsen101 | May 14, 2008 at 09:08 PM
disgrace*
Posted by: Larsen101 | May 14, 2008 at 09:10 PM
Well, if I offended anyone with any of my posts, I apologize. That definately was not my intention. All I wanted to do was get on here and express my opinion(s) and debate some about baseball. I still hold fast to my opinions and what I said, but I definately was not trying to disrespect baseball or anyone with what I said.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 09:45 PM
"Jacque Jones has the best arm? Are you kidding me? Please buddy."
“You can't talk anymore either.”
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | May 14, 2008 at 08:02 PM
…Ok, I just had to say that I actually started laughing at my desk when I read that one man. Been such a long day, but that one gave quite the smile for the ride home…
Anyway ~ yes JP, uww1 was joking on that one… Sarcasm can sometimes be hard to pick up over a PC, but his second sentence was the punch line on his Jones comment. And none of the other comments were directed at you, so you don’t have to worry about it…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | May 14, 2008 at 10:04 PM
No problem at all. I was curious if he was being sarcastic with that second comment, but I still wasn't sure bout it. Been a long day posting on here and stuff.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 10:12 PM
It has been pretty fun and humorous posting on here tonight, I have to admit that.
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 10:15 PM
I think this has been hilarious. I don't often post, but I have noticed that Adunc tends to speak in hyperbole and attack people for their opinions. As a cubs fan I really pay attention to the Cubs posts and so I have seen this a lot.
Anyway, so today I had some free time and I noticed the ridiculous comments and figured - what the hell, I'll join in.
To be honest it probably won't happened again, but its a free country people can say what they want.
Now I am extremely familliar with free speech, et al, and I understand that Tim - as owner of the website - has the right to censor people - ban them etc - but I would discourage that. It was mostly fun and for the record anytime there are over 150 posts, I would be there was a lot of needless bickering going on. So if you dont want to read this garbage bicker (which I admit I facilitated today) dont read posting with 170 posts.
Posted by: skkrman7482 | May 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I know what you mean. You can tell that Adunc knows his stuff and is an avid and dedicated Cubs fan, which I respect. But no matter what someone says, no matter how much sense they make, he attacks if it is against his opinion. To me, that's a bit much. Thats why I stayed on and kept talking back, Im not going to back down. I enjoy good debates and these have all been good ones for sure!!!
Posted by: JP | May 14, 2008 at 10:32 PM
i dont see a problem with the move. I know he was a Cardinal and god help him for that but their is no risk in signing him cuz his salary is going to be so low.This is a minor Hendry move but im sure before the deadline he will attempt to add a true number two starter. I hope Edmonds works out for us.
Posted by: fukudome | May 14, 2008 at 10:41 PM
Guys,
I definitely crossed a line here and I apologized for it to Dark...and believe me, there are a million personal attacks at me that I didn't get the same in return.
Otherwise, I think I was trying to make points and felt that I provided some pretty decent evidence on why I believe what I do. Sorry if it wasn't about Jim Edmonds...but honestly, who cares? If a bunch of guys want to talk some baseball, why is it so bad if we do it here? I enjoyed talking about Ankiel and how I believe that he has one of the best arms I've seen, if not the best. People mocked me, which is fine, but there have been many personal attacks here on me as well...so I don't think its fair to say I was instigating and not point anything else out here.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 15, 2008 at 01:13 AM
Aduncaroo,
don't worry about it. It is all good. I enjoyed these posts. I love debating with someone who actually knows what they are talking about and you sure do know what you are talking about. I still don't agree with your point of view, but the evidence you brought in to back up your side was great!! We don't agree on everything, but we agree that Pie is a very good defensive player and that Ankiel could have one of the best arms ever, once it is all said and done. Some of us may have gotten a little carried away, but I believe that this is all part of the game. I love the passion that all of us showed by presenting our points of view as strongly as we did.
Posted by: JP | May 15, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Thanks JP. I don't mind disagreeing, and your reasoning makes some sense too. To not qualify someone as one of the best until they have done it for awhile longer is just fine.
Its always fun to talk to a Cards fan, as I am a Cubs fan living in St. Louis. Ankiels catch yesterday was sick by the way...at first I wanted to think the guy was a fluke, but I think he has proven otherwise. The guy is a flat out athelete, pitcher or not.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM
I know, I saw him jump to make the catch on LaRoche and I said "Ankiel, just let it go b/c you won't be able to get there". Then next I know, he comes down and throws the ball back in after making the catch. It was pretty crazy to see that catch. Very Edmonds-like. For the Cubs, I hope Pie continues to play well defensively and gets his act together at the plate. I hate to see highly-touted and talented prospects fall through the cracks. Pie is too good, so I hope it works out for him.
Posted by: JP | May 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM
I agree. I'm excited to see all these young center field prospects come up together. Pie, Rasmus, and Bruce in the central alone will be fun. Then you add in Adam Jones etc...and its the best young crop of CFs since I can remember, at least prospect wise. We'll see how they do in the majors. I think Bruce will be more than fine though...hitting in that park too. I hope Pie and Rasmus can live up to the hype.
I do think Pie needed to get sent down, not because of how he has done (which hasn't been much offensively), but because Lou just wasn't going to give him the at bats he needs to prove himself. As soon as Edmonds gets released or hurt, he will be right back up. He changed his swing in the last month, and was hitting like .280 or so since, so if he can go down and work on that, prove he has a better knowledge of the strike zone (he has struck out a third of his at bats), than I think he will be right back up here.
Its going to be surreal tonight to see Jimmy Baseball in a Cubs uniform...thats for sure!
Posted by: Aduncaroo | May 15, 2008 at 10:37 AM
I know what you mean. The big 3 in the Central you mentioned is good enough, not including anyone else like Adam Jones, it's just crazy. I enjoy these young players because they really go hard to hit to show that they belong in the BIGS. It's a great time to be a baseball fan right now.
Posted by: JP | May 15, 2008 at 10:44 AM