Ricciardi Doesn't Like Dunn

Meh, the Jays are 10 games back at almost the end of first half of the season, they have some injuries and they can't score runs. Probably will be sellers if they do anything at all at deadline, I suspect.

damn talk about harsh

Odds Adam Dunn is employed in MLB in 2009:

100%.

Odds J.P. Ricciardi is employed in MLB in 2009:

WAY less than that.

Enough said.

I'm not big on Dunn, and I'm glad the Jays won't be pursuing him. I heard an announcer recently talk about how Dunn doesn't do any work outs (perhaps what Ricciardi was eluding to with his comment about Dunn not being so much into baseball.) If I were at the helm, I'd want to know that all my guys were working their arses off to be at their best for the team. Dunn sounds like a bit of a slacker. That's the last thing the Jays need.

I've never been a huge Adam Dunn fan (too much the one dimensional player for my taste) but what kind of moron publicly tears down a player on another team. Ricciardi is a certified idiot.

BTW jatorres, Dunn was a big time Texas college quarterback

Anyone else think that Dunn will eventually fall off like Sexson did? Both big power hitters in their prime with a ton of k's.

Or hey, here is a wild idea, maybe JP is right. There was a story on here saying Boston wants nothing to do with him because of his strikeout rate. Is it really a surprise that some of these millionaires get bored of baseball and just do it for the money once they strike it big?

An MLB club is a workplace. If the Jays get a reputation as a disrespectful place to work, players who have multiple suiters will shuffle Toronto to the bottom of the deck. A G.M. who starts bad-mouthing players just because he's frustrated with a fan's question needs to go find another line of work.

"Odds Adam Dunn is employed in MLB in 2009: 100%.

Odds J.P. Ricciardi is employed in MLB in 2009:WAY less than that."

While true there's this statement as well:

Odds Adam Dunn is overpaid in 2009: 100%
Odds J.P. Ricciardi is overpaid 2009: WAY less than that.

Let's face it, next year someone will offer Dunn a bloat contract, probably 5+ years for minimum 16M a year. Riccardi has a good point, he either hits a homer or strikes out. While a dangerous bat in the lineup, it's not one to count on.

"He either hits a homer or strikes out."

Adam Dunn's walks and NL Rank

2002 NL-128-3
2004 NL-108-6
2005 NL-114-3
2006 NL-112-2
2007 NL-101-5
2008 NL-60-1

I agree with his comments and I agree with Boston's reason for not wanting him. That being said, a leader of an organization should never talk about someone elses employee like that.

If a project manager at my office said similar statements about another PM's team member, his career at our facility would be over. You just can't say that, even if its true AND everyone knows it.

“Let's face it, next year someone will offer Dunn a bloat contract, probably 5+ years for minimum 16M a year.”

…yep, because who wants to have a 28YO who is basically a guarantee to be on base 38+% of the time, provide a 900+ OPS, and drive in & score a Hundred for your club. But hey, he doesn’t hold a high BA and it was proven back in the 1800s that BA is the most important stat to look at for hitters… ***sigh***

BTW:
“Odds Adam Dunn is overpaid in 2009: 100%
Odds J.P. Ricciardi is overpaid 2009: WAY less than that.”

…if Riccardi is employed, it is a 100% chance he is being overpaid…

As far as Riccardi goes ~ humm, so we should think that Dunn isnt a very good hitter because the guy who has built one of the bottom-3 offenses in baseball (while playing in a hitters park!) told it to us? Really? How does that one compute?

Obviously Riccardi has a difficult time realizing what production his, his team results reflect it…

I'd be happy with a guy with a career .382 OB% and .900 OPS. Didn't he give Wells a HUGE contract? Even though Wells has a career .331 OB% and .808 OPS.

If someone doesn't want Dunn for his strike out rate then he's either lying or ignorant of other things like OBP and power hitting. Juan Pierre rarely strikes out but who would you rather have in left field? Weighing strike outs that heavily for a hitter's value is just stupid. You know who else strikes out a lot? David Ortiz, Ryan Howard, Pat Burrel, BJ Upton, Miguel Cabrera. And that's just off the top of my head.

Logically, the Red Sox wouldn't want Dunn because the outfield is overloaded and 1B and DH are occupied (3B as well so you can't move Youk). Players like Dunn also don't age well either so why trade young prospects for someone who has questionable work ethic that might lose it in a couple of years? There's exceptions like Killebrew and Reggie Jackson but that's why they're Hall of Famers.

Obviously Riccardi doesn't want Dunn because he's an idiot. What kind of person calls out a player like that when all a fan wanted was an explanation?

And as for Dunn's work ethic, I wouldn't know enough to comment on it. But I do know that it requires tremendous patience and discipline to work the count like he does. Why do free swingers who refuse to improve their game get credit for being fiery and passionate while hurting their team? But players like Dunn whose patience allows them to hit 40 HRs and walk 100 times get bashed?

"Didn't he give Wells a HUGE contract?"

Oh man I just looked this up. I added his signing bonus into '08 to '10 to reflect the yearly salaries.

7 years/$126M (2008-14)

08:$9M, 09:$10M, 10:$21M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M

WOW! He gets Beltran money for being slightly above average offensively and being a pretty average defensive CF. Look how back loaded that contract is. 107M over 5 years from 2011-2014! Talk about untradeable.

Hahaha, wow ~ that Dunn response was great!

“I don’t know the clown. I don’t know, and you can use the word ‘clown’ if you like”

“He’s obviously won more than me, I guess. Or hasn’t. I know nothing about him.”

“The players didn’t say anything, it’s just some clown sitting in a front office pushing paper.”

“He could be in this clubhouse right now, I wouldn’t know. I couldn’t tell you his name, what he looks like – he’s got a big mouth, that’s all I know about him.”

…Dunn, with those comments, moved up about 50 notches in my book…

“Well...I suppose he could be posturing. I'm guessing the Reds want a lot for Dunn and huge home run hitters are traditionally overrated by fans.”

…interesting way of going about that though, dont ya think?

Seriously, its like he wants to get fired on purpose and knows something so ignorant like this is the first step out of a job.

I guess we can officially add Dunn to the group of JD Drew and Pat Burrell called "Players who hate being awesome players".

I'm not saying JP is wrong or right. I'm saying I would not want to tell that to Adam's face.

“I mean, how in the hell does a guy who hits 40 HR and plays 160 games only drive in 92 runs?”

…Because he bats after the 3 & 4 hitters. Then we have the fact that he still manages to constantly score 100+ on bad scoring teams with the 7 to 9 hitters following (which includes the pitcher) ~ but how do you explain that one?

Anyway gee, go figure that OBP and SLG work together to provide a players actual output value, no matter where they hit in the lineup ~ who woulda thunk it, huh? Plus, it seems this new fangled way of gauging value even works on crappy teams like Dunn has been on…

“Really? Then how come in 2006, when he had only 92 RBI, he hit 3rd or 4th in the majority of his games?”

…Oh, you are going to be focusing only on his one off year where his OPS+ was a much lower 115-ish instead of its normal 130-145 mark and where he was surrounded by the a revolving group of hitters in-front and behind him that make up one of the worst middle--lineups you’ll probably find? Yeah, if you can only see a players lowest point where ignoring all the dramatically better seasons around it then I’m not sure what to tell ya…

“Except that his SLG sucks for a guy who hits so many home runs, not to mention his absolutely terrible RISP.”

Please give me a list of all the players who have scored 100 R and posted 100 RBI at least even two times the last 4 years… How long do you think said list would be?

“The crappy teams Dunn has played on are mostly crappy because they can't pitch. They score plenty of runs”

…Mainly middle of the pack the last couple years, and most of that is because of how many runs he is constantly involved in.

For instance, take that 2006 off-year you were trying to harp on ~ do you realize that he still had 32 more Runs and 17 more RBI than any other Red? Really, ponder that one for a sec… 2007 saw him second in Runs (by 6) and 8 more RBI than anyone. 2005 was +9 RBI and +10 R than anyone else… 2004 was +3 R and +4 RBI…

But hey, a teams continual R and RBI leader, no matter where he hits, is obviously a bad hitter if he doesn’t have a high BA… And then once you compile that list of guys with atleast 2 100/100 seasons the last 4 years (to which Dunn has 3) we will know how he stacks up against others out there…

JP Retardi has done it again! Way to piss of Adam Dunn, a possible solution to our offensive problems has gone down the drain. If the Jays don't make the playoffs the first thing Paul Godfrey better do is fire JP. He is the worst GM in Blue Jays history. He is a stain on their franchise. Hopefully the Jays will fire him at the end of the season. GO JAYS GO!