Dodgers Interested In Cano?

I think the Yankees should expand on it and make it Cano and someone else for Lowe, Kemp, and Loney.

There's no way in hell that Lowe is a frontline starter in the AL. He's barely scraping together a 4 era in the NL West and in starts against the AL the past 3 years he's been hammered, for the most part. The last time he pitched in the AL he was awful except for when he pulled his head out of his ass to pitch phenomenally in the 04 playoffs. If he was to come back to the AL he'd be nothing more than a #4 innings eater.

yea, sure.

the yankees wouldn't move cano for cc sabathia but they would move him for derek lowe (also an impending free agent and nowhere near as good as cc) and matt kemp.

right. sure.

I would not trade Matt Kemp straight up for Robinson Cano.

Kemp is already as good an offensive player with more upside then Cano.

Kemp at age 23 is having a better year then Hunter, Rowand, and Jones who get paid a combined $50 plus this year alone.

Kemp's value is just way too high to move him for a 2B.

Kemp on the open market is probably a $15 plus million a year player.

You can fill a 2B hole a lot more cheaply then that on the open market.

I think the Post got mispelled the players last name. He meant to say Cano for Lowe and KeNT, not KeMP. It would be insane to trade Kemp for Cano. Kemp isn't worth Cano. Throw in someone else.

Sheesh, if this has any bearing, then every team in the league should call the Dodgers and offer them young upside 2B for Kemp. Me "being an indians fan" would call the dodgers and say we would give up Asdrubal Cabrera, Trevor Crowe and a PTBNL for Kemp.

these potential dodger moves get stupider by the hour. Cano isnt having much of a better year than kent. So why trade for another 2b? The "strenghth" that is the dodger pitching staff is not due to the starters, meaning they cant afford to lose lowe at this point. And for Kemp to be named in the deal.. Are the Dodgers just trying to get rid of him now? Id have to think the yankees come out on top on a cano/kemp deal excluding lowe. Two retards like cashman and colletti could probably get it done though right?

I agree. I would not send Kemp to New York No way. I like Cano but not for Kemp. I could care less about lowe. If they could move him for a decent bat that's fine.

If I'm Colletti I'm not moving Kemp period.

Chris, your dreaming!

1. The Yankees are never going to deal Robby Cano. The obvious reason this is coming out is because Torre wants all the Yankees, meaning A-Rod, Mo, Jeter and so on. Torre knows the Dpdgers arent goood enough. And he knows that Kemp is not as good as every one thinks.

2. Hank and Hal are looking for UPGRADES! Not downgrades! Theyre not going to deal a guy who can be the best 2nd baseman in the game. All he has to do is hit in the 1st half as well as the 2nd half.

3. I believe the objective of the Yankees is to try to keep their good prospects like Betances, Montero, Jackson, Tabata. And their young guys like Hughes, Cano, Melky while trying to get upgrades.

What the Yankees need is a LF like Matt Holliday. Which can be done with Melky, Horne, Marquez and another good prospect or 2. This would be enough for Holliday, unless the Rockies price is outrageous like the Pirates proce is for Bay.

Even thinking the Yankees would deal Cano is outrageous, and flat out dumb. This article being referred to here is out of pure stupidity. If any team calls the Yankees asking for Cano, Cash Money would just slam the phone down without listening to one word. It pisses me off seeing how many people think the Yankees would even condsider dealing Rob Cano.

"I am a die-hard Mets fan, but This would be a GREAT trade for the Yankees"

Dodgers get: Cano,Gardner,Melky,Kennedy,Cervelli 2 prospects

Yankees get: Martin,Kemp,Loney and Lowe"

If that were to happen, Dodger fans would burn down Chavez Ravine and demand Colletti's head.

Martin is UNTOUCHABLE.

Spoken like a true yankee fan yanks26ngoin. Cano the best 2B in the game? Ever heard of Chase Utley? You're kidding right? Is he even in the top 10? He's an above average 2B. Holliday for those guys? No way the Rockies do that. Kemp's trade value may not be as high as last year but he's still going to be a 30/30 guy who can hit 0.300. Cano can only dream of putting up numbers like that.

"Dodgers get: Cano,Gardner,Melky,Kennedy,Cervelli 2 prospects
Yankees get: Martin,Kemp,Loney and Lowe"

Three of the core young Dodger players would never happen.
Martin is a top 3 catcher Mauer Martin McCann no way it happens.
Kemp will be a perrenial allstar.
Get it through your head Melky Cabrera sucks.

I tihnk that when analyzing this deal, you need to think of it more as Kemp for Cano than as Lowe for Cano.

The only reason a trade like this, where the Yanks move Cano for a veteran pitcher, is plausible is because a potential superstar is coming with the pitcher as well.

Robinson Cano is likely going to become the premier second baseman in the AL, like Chase Utleys equivalent. He's one of the few hitters in baseball who can bat .340 and wouldn't shock anyone if he jacked 30 out. And he does it while playing good defense at second, which makes him astoundingly valuable.

Regardless though, if the Dodgers offered Lowe, Kemp and maybe a little more I'd have to think Cashman considers it. I guess a lot of it depends on how the Yanks feel about Kemp.

""Dodgers get: Cano,Gardner,Melky,Kennedy,Cervelli 2 prospects
Yankees get: Martin,Kemp,Loney and Lowe""

Honestly, I have to think that Russell Martin is one of the most untouchable players in all of baseball. The Dodgers would have be utterly blown away to even consider moving him. And I'm talking like David Price, Reid Brignac, and Wade Davis type offers, three elite prospects.

This guy is going to hit 0.340 and jack 30 HRs when he's hitting in the 0.260s with 8 HRs this year. You have to be kidding me. Cano is an average 2B right now who can be an above average 2B at best. Period. Expecting more than that is ridiculous.

"Spoken like a true yankee fan yanks26ngoin. Cano the best 2B in the game? Ever heard of Chase Utley? You're kidding right? Is he even in the top 10? He's an above average 2B. Holliday for those guys? No way the Rockies do that. Kemp's trade value may not be as high as last year but he's still going to be a 30/30 guy who can hit 0.300. Cano can only dream of putting up numbers like that."

Utley's #1, without a doubt. Uggla stinks defensively, I don't even think of him as a 2B. I'd put Brandon Phillips as #2. Excellent defensive and offensive player.

Name another 2B better than Cano? Ellis is better defensively, but isn't a great hitter. Cano hit .342/.365/.525 in 2006, his 2nd ML season, at 23 (Kemp's current age).

Now he's had bad first half slumps two years in a row, which is worrying, but he put up 2006 type stats in the second half last year, and appears to be doing so again this year.

Kemp has potential, but is not a top defensive CF right now.

A top 2B is more valuable than a top CF. Sorry.

"It's funny how each side thinks there is no way that they would trade one player for the other. In my opinion, I think that Kemp/Cano is a fair exchange. Cano has the track record but Kemp has a little more potential as well as being cheaper for the next few years. It just doesn't make sense to me why the Yankees would be interested in trading Cano. He is well liked in NY and plays a position where they don't have much depth. If they had a top 2b prospect on the way it might make a little more sense.

This seems like a writer who thinks he is writing about his fantasy baseball team and not the MLB. Doesn't seem like any chance this deal goes down."

This isn't a trade offer. It isn't a 'Yankees and Dodgers are discussing'. This is a 'Dodgers are interested in Cano'. It's stupid, and it got hits.

Let's put it this way - this is NOT A REAL TRADE RUMOR, but IF, the Dodgers wanted Cano, and -really- wanted him, it'd likely take (Kemp or Loney) + (Billingsley or Kershaw). THIS IS NOT A FAIR TRADE.

Likewise, if the Yankees REALLY wanted Kemp, it would take Cano+Hughes, or some such. THIS ALSO IS NOT A FAIR TRADE.

You just don't see these young player for young player swaps, and if you do, the onus is going to be on the team making the initial offer to blow the other team out of the water.

"Perhaps the Dodgers are planning on shipping Lowe to the Yankees, apparently for Cano, and then dealing with the A's for Duchscherer?"

Why would the Dodgers move Lowe just to add Duke?

If the Dodgers have the chance to get their hands on Cano, they shouldn't let go. You don't let go of middle infielders who are already one of the best in baseball and have the potential to only get better.

The guy's 25 and has as much offensive potential as any middle infielder in the game, with the exception of the great Hanley Ramirez of course.

Speed is overrated? Wow, you've just devalued a lot of all-stars. Cano is an average 2B this year. I'd rather have Kinsler, Utley, Uggla, Phillips, Pedroia, Roberts, Lopez, and Kendrick over Cano. Plus Ramirez and Casilla are outplaying him this year. Is Cano much of an upgrade over Kent today outside of defense? Cano may be able to hit 0.300, but likely won't hit more than 20 HRs, or steal more than 10 SBs. Defense is solid, but lots of 2B play as good of defense. Kemp's stats speaks for itself. His power numbers will come up in due time. But he does everything else as expected. He is a legitimate five tool player. It doesn't matter what we think. Ask any GM if they'd rather have Kemp or Cano. I'd be shocked if there was more than one GM that says Cano.

"But likely won't hit more than 20 HRs"

He's already hit more than 20 before, and scouts say his power should develop into 30-35 homer power. And thats while he's hitting .320. At second base.

"Ask any GM if they'd rather have Kemp or Cano. I'd be shocked if there was more than one GM that says Cano."

This is such an absurdly wrong statement. A lot of front offices think that Kemp is simply a great athlete that isn't a great baseball player, and he'll never pan out. Cano's already posted multiple top seasons at second base while Kemp has yet to really excel at this level during a full season.

"Do you know the difference between real baseball and fantasy baseball?"

It seems he knows more than you if you think speed is overrated. The best team in baseball, the Angels, plays a speed game where only one player in their everyday lineup, Kotchman, can't run. I suppose Rickey Henderson, Maury Wills, Tim Raines and Lou Brock were irrelevant and overrated. I suppose Barry Bonds' speed game meant absolutely nothing to his overall status. Same with Willie Mays. I suppose Steve Finley sucked as well. Sheesh.

"This is why when Cano bats .340-30-110 and Kemp bats .300-40-120, you're gonna take Cano."

Cano is a fine player, but he has hit .340 only once, the rest hovering around .300, or less. Further, he has shown no propensity toward hitting with huge power, though his power is respectable for the position. The scary thing is that he walks even less than Kemp does and couldn't break a .370 OBP with a .342 average. Meanwhile, Kemp's OBP despite his underwhelming (for him) .290 average is .342. Kemp has a legitimate chance at perennial 30/30, if not a shot at 40/40, in the not to distant future, that is something Cano cannot do.

The other issue involved here is that the Dodgers have absolutely zero outfield depth anymore. Kemp and Ethier are the core and Pierre is a nice complementary player, while Jones is useless and Young is another nice complementary because of his defensive issues. If they traded one of Kemp or Ethier, they would be left with a very, very thin outfield.

As for the idea of Kemp + Lowe for Cano, it sounds like King is the BaseballGuru of New York. Cano isn't worth Kemp straight up. He might be worth Lowe straight up, but that would require Penny to be back and effective and would require doing something with Jeff Kent, who makes $9 million a year and basically produces what Cano does anyway.

Did someone on here seriously suggest that the Dodgers would trade Loney, Kemp, and Martin?

The crack kids are smoking in NYC must be much stronger than we have here. I wouldn't do that deal for Arod and Jeter.

"Did someone on here seriously suggest that the Dodgers would trade Loney, Kemp, and Martin?

The crack kids are smoking in NYC must be much stronger than we have here. I wouldn't do that deal for Arod and Jeter."

I don't think it was serious.

Think the only thing that makes sense for LA making an infield move is something along the lines of Laroche, DeJesus (or player of the like) and a PTBNL to Seattle for Beltre. And to expound on Lowe, he only goes to a contender in a very minor trade, one I don't see LA making at all, as a Beltre type of deal would not interest the non-contending team whatsoever.

Oh, and another thing. Anyone who thinks trading Martin would be anything but a Piazza level (or even worse) mistake is fooling themselves.

"Ugh. Beltre isn't worth LaRoche straight up at this point. Beltre made his name on one awesome year, one pretty good year (2001) and a bunch of unrealized potential. He isn't worth trading key prospects for when his salary is as high as it is and when his contribution isn't much"

OK, he's 29, and if he's that much on the decline, he'd need to be at least a 2nd cousin to Andruw Jones. He currently projects to 26 HR, right in tune with his average the last few years, and no current Dodger projects to 20 as we speak. The salary would be a jump in relation to what LA would potentially give up, so we can see if Frank is being "frank" when saying that money is not an issue helping team now.

Cheers!

If Kemp is traded, Dodger fans should riot

V, no not talking about just fantasy numbers. Lots of good sticks at 2B with decent gloves. Cabrera while solid, will be nowhere at the top as long as we have these other 2Bs. Kemp is a legitimate five tool player who has already demonstrated four of the five tools. His power should come with time.

Dibble & Kennedy just spoke of a different structure in this deal---
Kemp, Kent, Lowe for Cano & Abreu.

"Scribbletone. Cano has not hit 20 HRs. 19 is his highest but he's prob more like a 15 HR kind of guy. Let's face it Cano for Kemp straight up is a complete joke right now."

Because players stop developing power at 25 years old? Wow.

Kemp's never hit more than 10 OMG!! He's a bust!

Do you even read what you type?

"I am a die-hard Mets fan, but This would be a GREAT trade for the Yankees;

Dodgers get: Cano,Gardner,Melky,Kennedy,Cervelli 2 prospects

Yankees get: Martin,Kemp,Loney and Lowe

Then,

Arizona gets: 2 A ball prospects

Yankees get: Orlando Hudson.

Just look at this lineup!

1.Damon-LF
2.Jeter-SS
3.Abreu-RF
4.A-Rod-3B
5.Giambi-DH
6.Martin-C
7.Kemp-CF
8.Hudson-2B
9.Loney-1B

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 at 10:38 AM"

Chris, do us all a favor and stop posting crap like this. Trade Martin? LMAO.

There is no way in hell the Dodgers will trade that.

I'm surprised you didn't include Kershaw, Ethier, DeWitt, and LaRoche as well.

"V, no not talking about just fantasy numbers. Lots of good sticks at 2B with decent gloves. Cabrera while solid, will be nowhere at the top as long as we have these other 2Bs. Kemp is a legitimate five tool player who has already demonstrated four of the five tools. His power should come with time."

Give me names and numbers, man.

Cano has the potential (see that word? 'potential') to be an elite 2B. He's -excellent- defensively ('excellent', not 'solid'). He's shown flashes (well, half seasons) of excellent with the stick, and his power is developing.

Kemp has the potential (see that word? 'potential') to be an elite OF. He's got skills, though he does need to learn plate discipline. I don't rate his defense highly. He's got speed, and he's got power, and I think when all is said in done, he could be a legit 30/30 to 40/40 guy, but he HASN'T YET SHOWN THAT HE IS THAT GUY.

Holliday and Beltran are not top OFs.

Phillips or Hamilton?

V, I think if you're honest with yourself you'd realize that Kemp's "potential", or upside as I'd put it, is much higher than Cano's upside. This is why most GMs (if not all) would take Kemp over Cano. There are plenty of 2B these days, with good bat and glove. This is not the 1970s. All the ones I listed before except for maybe Uggla and Utley play good defense. They all have better, if not at least similar, bats.

ok well let me tell eveyone something cano is a all star secodn baseman ok kemp is great i will admit but can is a tank all the dodger fans ar elooking at this years stats well look at his stats over the past couple of years and latly in th elast couple of months ok u look now and see 265 8 hr 45 rbi i under stand u think kemp is better but look T HIS CAREER AVG his carrer avgs for 162 game season is 305 18 hr 90 rbi in his first 3 years now last year he hit 343 the second half the last time i check the second half is alot more importent then the first half last year in the playoffs he hit 333 2 hr he is on track if he has a 20 year carrer to have over 3,000 hits for kemp his 3 year avg is 300 19 75 and cano was hurt last year and hit 305 and derek lowe blows so dont mention him

oh and has he had any post season experiance

umm now

because the dodgers
Suck

"oh and has he had any post season experiance

umm now

because the dodgers
Suck"

Dan, you've just proven that you're an idiot. Not basing Cano on one season. Not saying he's going to be a career 260s hitter. Just as it would be stupid to say that Cano will hit in the 340s. He's somewhere in between that. Cano has 2.5x more at bats than Kemp. I think it is safe to say that after about 2000 at bats that he's not going to hit much more than 20 HRs per year (i.e. that is PROBABLY peak for him). Can't say the same about Kemp. He hasn't had enough at bat. While he has proven four of the five tools (career batting average over 0.300, normalized 25 SBs per year, 11 assists per year, and decent fielder who is improving). Let's not forget that he's 23 (2 years younger). He hits bombs in batting practice. Only a matter of time before he flexes his power during games. He already shows the knack to go the other way. This is why he has a higher ceiling than Cano and why the Dodgers will NEVER trade Kemp for Cano straight up.

Im just going to say that when Cano is hitting well he is very tough to get out. I'm not saying hes better than Kemp, I live on the east coast and never get to see him so I really don't have any idea. Cano is a fan favorite in new york and if he ever figures out where the strike zone is he is very capable of hitting 30 home runs. Half of the balls he connects with aren't even in the strike zone so if he could learn to zone a pitch and drive it he certainly has the swing and strength to hit a lot of homers. It may never happen but he is capable of it.

Btw, I don't think he could hit 40 homeruns, but it could be possible.

If Lowe and Kemp are on the table (and LaRoche, apparently, too), here's a deal to chew on:

Braves get Lowe, Kemp and LaRoche/Loney

Dodgers get Tex, Ohman and Lillibridge

Tex, Ohman and Lowe are FAs, so each team's gambling that it might not re-sign the players. LaRoche/Loney step in at 1B right away. Kemp plays any OF position as needed (CF if Kotsay is dealt)

Thoughts?

the dodgers already have at least 2 guys better than lillibridge at the shortstop position in Hu (also 24) and Ivan DeJesus (21). Lillibridge makes no sense for the dodgers.

Ohman is a 30 year old left handed reliever. Dodgers have a really strong pen already with an even stronger lefty in Joe Beimel (248era+ vs Ohman's 157).

What would motivate your 4'th place team to want to rent Lowe for a few months for anyways?

This whole thing is a bunch of BS.

The Yankees would never trade Cano for those players, even if the Dodger swould give them a 2nd baseman.

"Where in the world did you get the idea that Loney has equal value to LaRoche? Loney is by FAR the better, more proven and even higher upside player."

but didn't you say that Laroche is more valuable than Beltre?

"Honestly, I file this under the 'Yankees have interest in Kazmir' or 'Red Sox have interest in Longoria'. No duh.

Doesn't mean the other side is interested in dealing said player."

If anything, this deal favors the Yankees. Get a number 2 starter and a CF locked up for longer then Cano is locked up. Kemp would be a massive upgrade in CF, and sure it would hurt to lose Cano, but all things considered I like this move more for the Yankees then I would for LA.

This may be my favorite rumor EVER! So revealing. Simply put, there are more idiots on this thread than the rest of this site put together. It's fantastic!

The Yankees fans think its outrageous and think, somehow they could extract Kershaw and/or Loney. The Dodgers think Kemp has WAAAY more value. It's a ship of fools and it's goin' down.

Where do you start? Oh, I know...how 'bout the Dodgers sending Martin, Loney, Kemp, and Lowe to the Yanks for Cano + crap. Good one, Chris. Guess the short bus dropped you off early today.

I'm also a fan of kermit's assessment of Cano and Kemp as 40 HR guys (though, to be fair, kermit came across as one of the more rational posters). Ummm, dude? Cano has topped out at 19 while Kemp's career high is 10. Granted, they're both kids, but where's this spike coming from? For that matter, when was the last time a 2B hit 40 HRs?! Chase Utley is on pace, but even HE has never hit more than 32 before. In the post-steroid era, 40 HRs is A LOT! Few hit that mark and most will be more prototypical sluggers or freaks like ARod.

Cano and Kemp are both excellent young players that any team would love to get their hands on. In those cases- as we see here- the team they're with tends to value them even more than others. Add in the super-metropolis bi-coastal vibe of this little gem and...poof! All the crazies come out.

who said that cano has postseason at bats and what not?
yes give me the 200 average in the post season. right..
cano in dodger stadium? i dont think people notice that we play about 115 games in pitcher parks. ehh, i like his bat alot but i dont think he will out hit kemp. his defense inst really good hes on pace to make like 20+ errors. if you want kemp i want cano+abreu.

This is obviously just an internet rumor, and too many people are commenting in defense of their own player. However, if I were to consider two young stars that could possibly be traded for one another, I would consider Robinson Cano and Matt Kemp to be on a similar wavelength. Cano has proven more in his career so far, but Kemp has the potential to be a real star if his temperament improves. I don't think anyone should discount the other player involved, as both players are extremely talented.