The Phillies-Bedard Situation

I've enjoyed finally having some sort of farm system. Please, Pat, don't make this trade. Bedard's had one year as an ace and I don't want to wait another million years to have something that resembles a farm system.

If I'm the Phils, I offer a deal centered on Carrasco and Golson (who I'd be willing to give up while he has some value right now). With them and maybe a low-level prospect, the Mariners would have to be interested.

Whatever the case, Bavasi has to realize that he's not going to get back the value the M's gave up for Bedard. It simply isn't going to happen.

yeah when was the last time a phillies prospect not named carrasco was talked about? it has to be one of the worst systems in baseball.

as for the phillies i dont think they will ever win. that ballpark is a joke. ankiel hit a popup yesterday and it went over the fence. what that ballpark does is inflate hitters stats which in turn inflates the phillies payroll. now the phillies r paying utley, burrell, rollins, and soon to be howard all this money when they arent as good as the numbers show. the astros have the same problem, they were just masking it for a few years with oswalt, pettitte, and clemens. what the phillies need to do is sign free agent hitters from other teams. the new hitters would certainly enjoy it. after that pay cole hamels because he is great and go sign 2 more pitchers. guys with good heads on their shoulders that wont fold while pitching in that ballpark. maybe then they win.

I thought CC was supposed to be ready next year? I guess if it was him and a mid or low level prospect, and that's it, I'd be okay with it. And if Bedard walks, I'm not all that confident in what the FO would do with the comp picks.

If they were to get Johjima wouldn't he be blocking Marson within the next two years?

I don't think Bedard goes under the "great" category when talking about pitchers and I don't want us to lose some vomit-inducing amount.

That's true about Marson, but Lou's still only 21. He's objectively a long shot to be ready at the start of next season. 2010, I'd think he has the job if he stays on his current course. Johjima addition would be less about him and more about getting rid of Eaton, ASAP. Plus his line last year was pretty decent, some pop and 46% CS rate

Carrasco could be on track for 2009. I'm no expert, just speculating from seeing his performance in AA. He's not putting up slam dunk, "I'm too good to say here" numbers right now

i like both utley and rollins, i just think they r overrated. utleys the best 2b in the league but i still think hes overrated(and overpaid). burrell is lazy. hes kind of a poor mans adam dunn. and well at leat howard is cheap the next few years. that statline of his is quite interesting. the phils need to stop paying for offense and start paying pitching. if they were to sign offensive players cheap guys would come in and have career years. the cards use their ballpark combined with the best pitching coach in baseball to use this strategy in the opposite way. they pay hitters and find pitchers. the phils need to do the opposite and it could work.

Cardenas, Donald, Marson, D'Arnaud, Dominic Brown, etc. are all legit prospects. the last B-A top 100 had three Phils (Carrasco, Cardenas, Savery). not to say that it's a great system (it's not), but if you think Carrasco is the only prospect worth anything you're simply not paying attention.

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Burrell has more HR away from home. Rollins has more HR away. Howard has more HR on the road. Utley does hit a lot less HR (8 to 17) away, but he hits a lot more doubles (16 to 8). overall, the Phillies hit .251/.329/.429 (63 HR) at CBP and .261/.338/.447 (60 HR) on the road. yes, it's a relatively HR-friendly ballpark, but it's nothing like mid-90s Coors.

"utleys the best 2b in the league but i still think hes overrated(and overpaid). burrell is lazy."

I don't know where you've gotten either of those ideas. Utley's contract is very fair and Burrell is no Bobby Abreu out there in left.

The only offense they've recently paid is Utley. The other guys they've signed short term aren't a complete waste of resources, not to mention the pitching market hasn't been there to pay. You're out to lunch on some of this.

I don't think he's an ace either, but a good #2.

Please stop falling for trolling comments from this guy, let's keep this a Bedard thread

Rollins is overrated if you rate him as "perennial MVP candidate." He did have somewhat of a fluke power season last year. If you rate him as "perennial NL All Star shortstop, and top 3 at the position in the big leagues" then I'd say that's about right

He's a streaky hitter because he swings so much, he will undoubtedly go on an extended tear at some point in the second half and get his numbers up

what r u doing falling for my trolling comments wayne? top 3 shortstop in baseball? lets see hanley and reyes r better and younger. then theres a whole bunch of guys who r very similar to rollins. top ten sure but not top 3. and hes just going to "swing his way out of it" im guessing u r from philly yes?

I would assume a Burnett deal, with his best case scenario opt out or worst case opt in for 2-24, would cost less in terms of prospects.

I know they need a SS, would Donald, another #5-10 overall system prospect, and maybe another small piece get it done? And would you rather do that than pay Carrasco and some small pieces for Bedard?

They have more then enough to get him clueless troll, you're an idiot. Just because you want your Cards to get him doesn't mean you have to bash other teams that want to along the way. As of right now troll, the Phillies are the front runners. They have just as much as the Cubs had before the Harden trade.

hey its cesar izturis buddy. and i do enjoy ryan, as well as lohse. funny lohse is ok with philly but suddenly hes great for us(ballpark maybe?).i bet utley doesnt hit 30 homers for the cards, yet hes an mvp for philly. how crazy is that.

as for the bedard trade i sort of wish the cards could get him but i dont think we have enough either. the anderson/duncan/reyes package is available but i dont think thats enough. i just think someone will step up who has more to offer. if the rays jump in(havent heard one rumor they would) they have the young talent teams like. maybe the phils can get him but i think the ms r looking for more quality and quantity than the phils can offer.

Actually I'd say it's Dave Duncan more than the ballpark. That guy has to be worth 5-7 wins a year. Every middling journeyman righty he touches they seem to get something out of (going back to Weaver and Suppan in the WS year). He should hold out for a raise

The Braves have already mortgaged their future for Tex.

Erm, how are the Mets "pretty much screwed after this season?? That makes no sense..

The Phillies have to get Bedard or Burnett, because they are not going anywhere with Jamie Moyer as their #2....

The Braves are losing Tex, Chipper is old and brittle, one of their two top prospects is a cheater, and Frenchie forgot how to hit a baseball, their best pitcher is old and injured, Glavine is like 50 years old and will be gone, Hudson will be 34 next year, they only have 2 pitchers locked up for next year, and the Mets are screwed?

The mets are definitely not screwed for next season their pitching staff is going to still be very good with Santana Maine as 1-2 and with the way Pelfrey has been pitching lately (1.82 ERA over his last four starts)that is definitely the best #3 in the NL east this year and next year.

Depends if he pitches like he has his last two starts or if he reverts back to his ways of struggling. I can see him getting a deal for 15 million over 5 years, and I can also see him getting a 1 year deal worth 6 million. It all depends. I think the Mets should look carefully at bringing him back because the way pitching is, you will have to pay a good amount of money to replace Ollie anyway. I would rather spend 12 million on Ollie then I would on Silva.

"utley makes 15 million next year and 3 more years after"

Incorrect again, utley makes 7.5 this year, 11 next year and 15 for the following four years. Please do your research, it takes maybe eight seconds.

Bedard will never handle the media well anywhere if he doesn't change his attitude. Seriously, you think he won't getting eaten alive in Philly when he can't even handle the extremely laid back, casual Seattle media? That's a big reason why we thought Bedard would do well in Seattle. He could get away from the spotlight playing for an east coast team. It hasn't worked out too well.

What the majority of Seattle fans think is that Bedard is holding himself back since this is a lost season for the Mariners. He has had some nagging back and hip problems and he simply doesn't want to risk making those more serious pushing himself for a last place team. To be honest, I haven't seen Bedard push it much ever. He's just not the firey, emotional athlete that will carry a team.

He is definitely not a #1 starter even though he has the ability of one. He doesn't want that role. He wants to be in the background.

To the topic. If all the Mariners can get is Carrasco + filler.. I would pass. Bedards value is pretty low right now even though he is the best pitcher available. He's under contract for another year and even if we let him walk via free agency, a couple draft picks would probably work out nearly as good as what the Phils could offer.

Phanatic, we'd have Bedard next season too if we acquired him.

I question whether Carrasco would be ML ready for a contending team for the start of 2009, plus we will likely be losing Burrell and Moyer. Right now the projected 2009 rotation looks like this...Hamels, Kendrick, ???

I don't see how the team is more of a contender in 2009 with internal improvements than it is in 2008 with Bedard.