Elias Rankings: NL Relievers

I don't think there's anyway that Cards offer arb to Izzy. I'm suprised to see him get type B, his performance wasn't as bad as alot of people made it out to be but he hasn't spent at least 1/3-1/2 of the season on the DL.

the ONLY possible reason that Gagne got type B is that he does have 10 saves and that must balance out era which only........6.52!!! umm...well they must be using some of that new math.

You have to consider to that the ratings don't just take into account this season, but the previous season. And last year he had 16 saves with a 'respectable' 3.81 ERA. Struggled in Boston but was solid in Texas. I don't think he should be a Type-B either though...

Why is Ryan Dempster a reliever?

"the ONLY possible reason that Gagne got type B is that he does have 10 saves and that must balance out era which only........6.52!!! umm...well they must be using some of that new math."

Remember that for most of the year last year, Gagne was fairly dominant, which added to his status.

"Beimel and Lyon might receive arbitration offers."

I am pretty sure Beimel gets offered arbitration. He is perfect for the Dodger 'pen as he is a lefty specialist who can get righties out and go multiple innings if need be. Also, his numbers this year are out of this world.

Hoffman is a "B"?

2007 - 57IP / 42 saves / 2.98 ERA
2008 - 41IP / 28 saves / 4.14 ERA

Wood

2007 - 24IP / 0 saves (1-1 record) / 3.33 ERA
2008 - 58IP / 28 saves / 3.26 ERA

Hoffman has more saves, more IP, and a comparable weighted ERA. How Hoffman is rated so much lower is really confusing.

yes the Cubs better keep Ryan and Kerry and then focus on the outfield, re-signing Jim and Reed

"Remember that Wood gets some padding for being on the DL. Also, does age factor at all in these equations?"

I wondered if age is a factor as well. And don't forget that Wood strikes out a lot more hitters than Hoffman does. Given age and relative dominance it's no doubt that Wood is a better choice going forward than Hoffman and it looks like that was taken into account with their respective status.

Questions that have been raised about what stats are used. Here is the formula that was posted for relievers:

Total Games (Games Relieved +2*Games Started), IP**, Wins+Saves, IP/H, K/BB, ERA

Age does not appear to factor into the equation. There is, however, some adjustment made for the counting stats when a player goes on the DL.

Finally, the system is not designed to project future value. In this case Wood just gets a huge assist with his time on the DL.

BJ - are you suggesting that the Elias formulae might actually be flawed :)

I completely agree. Awful system. Lots of flaws.