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Will Marlins Trade Hermida?
Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post spoke to Marlins right fielder Jeremy Hermida yesterday. Hermida knows the Marlins will be active this winter, and he could be on the trading block again.
Hermida will turn 25 in January. With three-plus years of service time under his belt, he'll be arbitration-eligible for the first time. Instead of $400K, Hermida will earn perhaps $2-4MM in 2009. Trade rumors first surfaced this summer, when Hermida nearly became a Pirate in a three-team Manny Ramirez/Jason Bay deal.
2007 was a very promising year for Hermida - he hit .338/.403/.559 over the season's final three months. An MVP-caliber 2008 seemed possible. Instead, Hermida struggled to a .245/.319/.405 line in a career-high 550 plate appearances. He's been particularly bad since August. Defensively, he's been slightly above average.
Trading Hermida now will be selling low, but the Marlins could save a few million. Still, three years of Hermida won't come cheap. Tossing out a few possible suitors: the Mariners, Nationals, Mets, and Braves.
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The Nats already have an over priced and under performing Right Fielder in Austin Kearns. More likely the Nats would come asking for Olsen or Nolasco (also Arbitration Eligible this year) or even try to work out a blockbuster for Dan Uggla, but I doubt the Nats have enough ML talent to work a deal and won't be willing to part with prospects when they have so many holes to fill.
Posted by: estuartj | September 24, 2008 at 09:59 AM
The fish should trade this guy already! He's been nothing but a monstrous disappointment for the team. For most of the season, he sat in the #2 spot sandwiched between two productive hitters in Ramirez and Cantu and became a rally killer! Mr. Double Play or Strikeout! He isn't worth 2-4MM! Cody Ross should take his spot in RF as Cameron Maybin will take Center.
Posted by: Jrp | September 24, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Hermida's 2008 line is better than Francouer's. If the Braves make that deal are they adding another Frenchy?
For $2MM-$4MM, it might be worth the risk. I'd much rather see Burrell or Ibanez in Atlanta, however, though either would cost a lot more.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | September 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM
I think there will still be a lot of suitors for Hermida. He's got tons of potential and had that great second half last year. Getting out of that thing they call a ballpark in Florida should help his power numbers. A lot of teams would take a 20HR guy at the corners with decent speed like Hermida has.
Shoppach and Francisco for Hermida and Gregg, perhaps?
Posted by: Hermie13 | September 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Posted by: Hermie13
"Shoppach and Francisco for Hermida and Gregg, perhaps?"
SURE!!!! As a Marlins fan (I know laugh it up, there aren't many of us) Hermida and Gregg could easily take most of the blame for the team not making the post season. I know it was a long shot, with the team payroll and all, but we played well all season and were in it almost till the end. You can only look back and say "Only if"! And Hermida and Gregg have many of those! "Only if" Gregg wouldn't have melted down twice in the season going on a blowing saves rampage! "Only if" Hermida would have played to half his potential and hit at least .275 rather than .240!
Yeah, you can have both guys! They will collectively make about 8MM next year.
Posted by: Jrp | September 24, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Anyone else find it hilarious how Marlins fans value the salaries? I mean, for every other team, a player like Hermida for 2-4m would be an absolute bargain, yet they are thinking he's not worth it
Posted by: viktor06 | September 24, 2008 at 11:34 AM
If the Cubs aren't comfortable with bringing back Jim Edmonds they could look at Hermida as a right fielder and move Fukudome to center where his bat is better suited. Not sure if a contender like Chicago would be willing to take a chance on Hermida but he is a left handed bat and they could use that.
Posted by: pageian | September 24, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Hermie13, have you taken a gander at Shoppach's stats? Do you really think the Tribe would squander a blue-chip trade piece on the yet unproven, and, in no way needed Hermida, who, by the way, isn't even performing up to Ben Francisco's standards? I could see the Tribe sending Shoppach to the Marlins but it's going to be for a hell of a lot more than Jeremy Hermida and/or Kevin Gregg.
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 01:46 PM
Yes, I have seen Shoppach's stat (Indians fan here)...I've also seen his strikouts...he's striking out a faster pace than even Ryan Howard!
Also, check out Hermida's road splits from this year and his career. He's a .280+ hitter on the road with an OPS over .800. Francisco is a 4th OFer and nothing more.
Shoppach and him is probably a tad too much for Hermida and Gregg...but not totally. Think the Tribe would want to get Uggla in the deal as well then throw some prospects Florida's way. Hermida would start in LF for the Tribe and Uggla at 2B. Choo/Gut would platoon in RF and the tribe would have a lineup that could go places....
Posted by: Hermie13 | September 24, 2008 at 01:53 PM
If the Tribe can't convert Shoppach (with maybe a prospect included) into a 3B or a Starting pitcher, I think they keep him. With LaPorta probably being ready for LF or 1B by the all-star break, Hermida for Shoppach just doesn't provide enough value. You can dis Francisco all you want but, right now, he's out-performing Hermida. And, by the way, I'm not a big fan of Uggla's defense at all.
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 02:01 PM
Shoppach's rank among all catchers with more than 300 AB this season:
OPS - 3rd behind Chris Iannetta (COL) and Brian McCann (ATL)
SLG - 1st
HR - 3rd behind McCann and Geovany Soto (CHC)
As for striko-outs, I'm of the "a strike-out is just another kind of out" persuasion.
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 02:04 PM
Hermida: .245 .319 .405
Francisco: .271 .335 .444
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 02:11 PM
I'm not a fan of Uggla's defense either...but his bat makes up for it. Tribe can then move Cabrera from 2B back to his natural SS position and slide the less-than-stellar defensively Jhonny Peralta to 3B where he played a bit in the minors and his first year up with the tribe. Adding Uggla would hurt our 2B defense but improve our SS defense.
Also, don't forget that Uggla could play 3B for the Tribe. He played more there in the minors than 2B and projects better there since he has little range at 2B but a decent enough arm (think he'd stay at 2B but it's an option).
Francisco hasn't been hitting as well in the second half though. Teams are figuring him out. He's also older than Hermida already. LaPorta has yet to even play at AAA....he could be ready...but could not be.
Again, I think outside of Florida Hermida will reach his potential and become a .300 hitter with 25HRs annually. Think he needs a change of scenery....but that's just my honest opinion....
Posted by: Hermie13 | September 24, 2008 at 02:29 PM
Firstly you really can't compare Hermida and Francoeur as hitters, Hermida's discipline is just so much better that he's more likely to succeed.
As for comparing Hermida and Francisco, I think you honestly have to admit that Hermida is more valuable. He's still got great tools, and his finish to 2007 reflects the kind of potential he has. He's not like Francoeur in that he completely fell apart, he really doesn't have nearly as much experience as Frenchie so it's more like continued development. At this point I don't think Hermida will become a star, but he's got a shot an should be solid if he doesn't.
I'd like to throw out this as an extension of the Hermida/Shoppach trade:
To Cleveland: Jacobs, Hermida and Gregg.
To Florida: Shoppach, Francisco, A. Cabrera
Cleveland would get an outfield of Sizemore, Hermida and LaPorta (damn), a powerful 1B in Jacobs, as well as a solid closer in Gregg. Josh Barfield could take over at second and Martinez could return to full time behind the plate. They need to get more production out of their lineup and this could be one way to do it.
The Marlins would commit to an outfield of Maybin, Willingham and Francisco, as well as solidify two spots in the lineup. Shoppach could take over behind the plate and would likely post some quality numbers full time (25-30 HR power, solid OBP). Cabrera would give them a slick fielding 2B who could take over at SS if they decided to move Ramirez off short. Uggla would slide over to third and Cantu would move to first. This team would be far less dependent on the home run than the '08 Marlins, and would have some improved speed and lineup depth.
Posted by: scribbletone | September 24, 2008 at 02:54 PM
So, scribbletone, do the Indians just cast Shin-Soo Choo aside to make room for Hermida? I'm not downplaying Hermida's potential, but adding an OF is way low on the Tribe's priority list. And Jacobs has absolutely no place on a roster brimming with 1B candidates like Beau Mills and even LaPorta himself if he proves unsuitable in LF. If the Tribe deals with the Marlins it would make a whole lot more sense to use Shoppach in a package to try to acquire one of the arbitration eligible starting pitchers (Nolasco, Johnson?). Your inclusion of Cabrera in the package is also absurd. A future gold glove SS (after Peralta is dealt or moved to 3B) in a package for an OF and a 1B that the Tribe do not need? Cone on!
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 03:49 PM
Come on!, I mean.
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 03:49 PM
the injuns and pointy-fish are just not a fit at all.
besides - scribbletone's lineup would increase a marlins deficiency of recent seasons: overloaded with right-hand batters
Posted by: crash | September 24, 2008 at 03:56 PM
"They need to get more production out of their lineup and this could be one way to do it."
Indians are 7th in runs scored. When healthy, offense is not a problem. If there is a glaring weakness it has been the bullpen, and even that has looked better of late.
Posted by: MickS | September 24, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Ok. So i mean if this guy sucks so much why was he the main part in a deal for Manny Ramirez? Lets face it the Marlins would rather sign this guy for 2-4m then trade him for Kelly Shoppach. This is Kelly Shoppach first season pretty much and he's 28. Why would the Marlins trade Olsen or Nolasco unless they got a huge haul? Some people just don't understand the Marlins *sigh* Just go back to talking about your own teams with your payrolls that double the Marlins and they(the Marlins) still almost make the playoffs.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | September 24, 2008 at 04:23 PM
I rather my player strike out than ground into a double play
Indians fans- I don't think u want gregg-he will frustrate you guys and end up like a borowski. Why hasn't your organization said anything about signing k-rod? Or are u guys set on jenson lewis being your closer?
Posted by: prov1x41 | September 24, 2008 at 05:48 PM
Viktor 06:
It's not that Marlin fans under value their players. If you watched all the Marlin games you would understand! Hermida is a major disappointment here! For three years (before he was called up in 05) all we kept hearing was the future of the team being Hermida. Then you watch him consistently fail! He is supposed to be a .300 hitter but is hitting .246! He was supposed to be a contact hitter but has struck out over 120 times, over 100 two consecutive seasons! He is a lazy player who half asses everything. Again, if you would watch all the games you would understand! BUT.....I do agree at the fact that he would probably play to his potential playing for another club, which is the reason why I want him traded! I want to see him succeed, and it's just not happening here. For crying out loud, I have a fast depreciating autographed baseball of his! HAHAHA!
Posted by: Jrp | September 24, 2008 at 05:59 PM
I completely agree with MickS on this topic. Even a straight up deal Shoppach for Hermida for the Indians wouldn't make much sense when a starting pitcher and a solid proven bullpen guy is at the top of their list.
If the Indians can't get a SP for Shoppach, they hold on to him. Plus, most of you are forgetting about Shin Soo Choo competely. Choo is going to start RF for Cleveland next year, and Francisco and Gutierrez should platoon in LF until LaPorta is up. If those guys are performing well, lets say Francisco continues his success, then LaPorta could play 1B.
And for the one mentioning Asdrubal Cabrera in a deal, there's no way Indians deal him. Peralta is likely to be traded before Cabrera. If there is such thing as untouchable, Cabrera is definetly it for the Tribe.
Guys like Sizemore, Choo, Cabrera, Martinez, Carmona, Lee, Perez, Lewis, LaPorta are untouchables for the Indians. Any others could be dealt for a #3 starter and a bullpen guy.
Posted by: ilulic | September 24, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Shin Soo Choo is untouchable now? I didn't know after having 1 good year makes you untouchable. I mean what makes people think Kelly Shoppach isn't just having his prime year too, considering he is 28, and catchers don't last too long. The Indians aren't close to contending so why go out and do all this. Twins will only be better next year, the same pitching staff is returning and they are only more experienced. White Sox have been a decent team the past decade so don't count them out. And if the Tigers can get any type of rebound from their SP's they are contending.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | September 24, 2008 at 09:43 PM
I don't think Hermida is of much value. Florida will be lucky to get anything
Posted by: twoseamer | September 25, 2008 at 03:28 AM
"The Indians aren't close to contending so why go out and do all this. Twins will only be better next year, the same pitching staff is returning and they are only more experienced. White Sox have been a decent team the past decade so don't count them out. And if the Tigers can get any type of rebound from their SP's they are contending"
ha, Tribe not condtending? Had they not traded CC this year they'd be vying for the division crown this year. Minnesota may get better, but the Tribe with a couple good/smart moves can easily be the class of the central again next year.
Choo and Cabrera aren't untouchable....only untouchable on the team is Victor and Grady. Cabrera is close but with the right deal he could be had. NOT to the Marlins though.
Tigers need a LOT more than just their SP's to rebound. That bullpen is in shambles still. Tigers are at least a year or two from competing thanks to some boneheaded moves by that orginization.
Posted by: Hermie13 | September 25, 2008 at 09:07 AM
if the marlins make a trade, the marlins will 9 of the 10 times will come out with the better deal(juan pierre to cubs, Renyon Pinto, Sergio Mitre, and Ricky Nolasco) so indians dont get excited, because in the end, you guy get a overly-patience, poor fielding guy. by the way, the marlins have john baker, they dont need a catcher, they need veteran bullpen.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | September 25, 2008 at 03:34 PM
Barroid Bonds, do you know anything about baseball?
How can you say that the Indians aren't even close to contedning? Please explain this.
As for Choo being untouchable, ok I guess nobody is really untouchable but he is as close to it as anyone on the team, well besides Sizemore. Grady IS UNTOUCHABLE.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2005/07/10/LB9fab2D.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp%3Fymd%3D20060726%26content_id%3D1577099%26vkey%3Dperspectives%26fext%3D.jsp&h=235&w=275&sz=18&hl=en&start=41&usg=__BdEGJLzcRtR0LLkcWh4Kn9LKQS0=&tbnid=RgiLBm_ML7SMdM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshin-soo%2Bchoo%26start%3D36%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
But I can see that you don't know much about the Indians so I'll give you a break.
Posted by: ilulic | September 25, 2008 at 07:52 PM
I am amazed that Cleveland is in position to have a winning season if they sweep the White Sox. I can easily see them contending next year, considering that they have been better post-CC.
Posted by: twoseamer | September 26, 2008 at 02:05 AM
don't be shocked to see hermida in DET or NYM; that seems to be the place where Marlins go
Posted by: twoseamer | September 26, 2008 at 02:06 AM
Ilulic: you give me a picture of shin soo choo when he was with the MARINERS. You can see the logo on the side. Cleveland isn't close to contending. You think Cliff Lee is gonna do another 22-3 season? You think he will be your ace? I laugh at that. You think Fausto is an ace? The guy has been a starter for 2 years in the pros. And a lot of rookies can have success early on because hitters don't know what this guy is throwing and all that. Get a SP staff and a 3B, maybe you will contend. Go out and sign a closer and sure that automatically puts you in the playoffs cuz I mean look the Tigers added the "best" lineup in recent history and have sucked. The Indians aren't as good as you really think. Just when you have 2 SP's pitchers dominate in a year it puts you in a good position to make the post season and far into it. Look at the Rockies last year, Aaron Cook and Jeff Francis. Zambrano and Dempster have done the same with the Cubs although Harden and Lilly have done alot. Derek Lowe and Chad Billingsley this year for the Dodgers. You need at least 2 SP's that will get you 15+ Wins and 1 or 2 10 game winners. Indians don't have that depth for SP.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | September 27, 2008 at 07:48 PM