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SUNDAY: The A's reached an agreement with Ellis, according to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. He'll make about $5MM in '09, $6MM in '10, and has a $6MM club option for '11. There's also about $2MM in possible incentives. Olney believes the deal could be worth $18MM with all incentives reached. Slusser has quotes from the happy second baseman in this morning's article.
SATURDAY: According to ESPN's Buster Olney:
Heard this: The Oakland Athletics are moving closer to signing second baseman Mark Ellis -- who would be eligible for free agency after the World Series -- to a multiyear deal.
Ellis, 31, hit .233/.321/.373 in 507 plate appearances. He was stellar again defensively, making 26 more plays than the average second baseman. He missed time for a sore hamstring and a torn labrum in his shoulder (which eventually required surgery last month). Ellis would've been an intriguing alternative to Orlando Hudson, but it looks like he won't reach the open market.
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Great news for all A's fans. He is very under rated at 2b. The A's need him with their young pitchers knowing that anything hit toward 2b is going to be caught. Next up for Beane trading for a first baseman. Fielder anyone?
Posted by: arcman | October 18, 2008 at 06:03 PM
Petterson, Weekes, Cardenas... why resign Ellis? I love the guy, but it seems more reasonable to let him go.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 18, 2008 at 06:08 PM
'Petterson, Weekes, Cardenas... why resign Ellis? I love the guy, but it seems more reasonable to let him go.'
I thought this too and came to this conclusion: Patterson (while being a small sample size) proved aboslutely nothing, Jemile Weeks has a severely torn hip flexor, and Cardenas only has 20 games past A ball...I bet the Ellis deal is for 2 years and an option year
Posted by: NorCalBB | October 18, 2008 at 06:19 PM
Can we bet on whether there is either no NTC or one with a low buyout?
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | October 18, 2008 at 06:21 PM
Patterson is a non-prospect. He's more of a bench/pinch runner type guy. And, his defense is questionable at 2B. Having Ellis there is great with that young staff, especially with more young pitchers coming through the ranks. Weeks' development will probably be stunted due to that major injury, and Cardenas is probably 2 years away.
If the A's do resign Ellis, I HOPE it is NOT for more than 2 years. Ideally, one year with an option for a second, especially with the shoulder injury and the poor hitting season this year. He has the potential to turn into a defensively adept Luis Castillo, and that's bad news.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 18, 2008 at 06:26 PM
'Can we bet on whether there is either no NTC or one with a low buyout?'
I love me some A's, but boy are they cheap bastards...I'm goin' with the low buyout, no more than 500k
Posted by: NorCalBB | October 18, 2008 at 06:26 PM
The A's number one target should be a young 3B prospect, not a 1B. Barton needs more time in AAA. I don't see Eric Chavez coming back and playing 3B. He will probably be playing 1B/DH upon return. And, hopefully in 2010, guys like Sean Doolittle and/or Chris Carter or even Barton will be ready to try out for the 1B slot.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 18, 2008 at 06:35 PM
I dont understand why people arent into signing Ellis to a 3+ year deal. As long as there isnt a NTC let him stick around until Cardenas is ready.
Weeks is hurt and needs some seasoning, sure he might turn into a mlb-regular but it would be a terrible idea to put all the eggs in his basket. And Patterson is an emergency 2B only, his future is as a 4th OF.
Posted by: Athletic Domination | October 18, 2008 at 06:51 PM
Doolittle and Carter by 2010 are going to be BEASTS, as long as their combined strikeouts don't equal to what Prince Fielder weighs
Posted by: NorCalBB | October 18, 2008 at 06:51 PM
Melonis, do you really want to try and pigeonhole Mark Ellis's offense?
There might not be a more up-and-down, inconsistent hitter in mlb, here's his OPS+ year by year:
103
81
127
84
110
90
Who knows what kind of hitter he is?
Posted by: Athletic Domination | October 18, 2008 at 06:58 PM
This is being idealistic, but I've seen worse posted on MLBTR, but the guy I'd love to see the A's trade for is Daniel Murphy. He fills a need for the A's at 3B. From what I've seen of him, he looks great. Great approach at the plate. Even when he was struggling, he was battling. 4.3 P/PA. He wasn't making 1-2 pitch outs on a regular basis. He doesn't appear to fold in big situations. I don't think he will be a star, but he'll be a solid guy for years to come IMO.
Huston Street would probably be the centerpiece of such a deal; he gives the Mets a cheap, above average closer, with the A's adding more pitching into the deal to float it.
But then, if I were a Mets fan, I'd be against trading Murphy, for all the reasons stated above. It's a double edged sword.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 18, 2008 at 07:04 PM
solid news..buys some time for cardenas, weeks,etc
patterson i wasnt impressed although he has a very good minor league trackrecord...no idea where he fit in
pennington- has a decent obp/speed/defense combo that can develop at utility
petit- plays great defense
now please dump crosby
Posted by: arly2380 | October 18, 2008 at 07:09 PM
I'm not trying to pidgeonhole Mark Ellis's offense. I'm just stating the WORST CASE SCENARIO. Ellis is inconsistent, you are right. In those cases, you hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. The A's aren't the Yankees, it's not "eat the losses and move on". And, who knows how he will be after his shoulder injury, since we haven't seen him play after this injury. Injuries depreciate value, so a 2 year deal is fair market value.
Which is why I don't give out a 3+ year contract. 2 with an option for a 3rd is the most I go for. And, its smart of Beane to negotiate with Ellis NOW, instead of when bidding begins on Orlando Hudson, who will be the only 2B FA on the market better than Ellis.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 18, 2008 at 07:11 PM
Good points from all but the one factor everyone is over looking is the A's are more concerned with the SS position. That is why they played Pennington there and you might see him as the starting ss if they trade Crosby. Beane would not start 2 rookies at those positions so with Eliis I would bet that Crosby is gone.
Posted by: arcman | October 18, 2008 at 07:33 PM
llis's defense will be outstanding for many years to come though, so even if he OPS+ 90-100 its not that big a deal.
As long as there isnt a NTC, Ellis deserves a 3 year deal.
Crosby is in the last year of his contract, defensively theres a lot worse going and Im pretty sure he will play out 09 as the team's starting SS. He might even turn some of those doubles into home runs and up his value. He's not very good but Pennington is the backup plan and a decent one.
Posted by: Athletic Domination | October 18, 2008 at 07:49 PM
I think that Ellis should get a 2 year contract with a third year option.
It looks like Barton and Ellis will cover the right side of the infield. Now Beane will have to work on getting a new left side of the infield.
Chavez isn't going to be able to hold up at third, and Crosby isn't even getting it done with the glove anymore.
Murphy/Moustakas/Stewart/Hardy/Escobar should all merit serious consideration. Pitching HAS to be moved this off-season to get infield help.
Hopefully, Street and Crosby can be packaged together + cash to get something good in return. The A's have the payroll flexibility to essentially buy a prospect just like what happened to Devine.
Posted by: green_and_gold | October 18, 2008 at 08:19 PM
green_and_gold- Moustakas and Escobar are pretty much untouchable. It would be interesting to see a Hardy trade package involving several pitchers (not named Anderson or Cahill please, especially not Cahill)
Street and Crosby should NOT be packaged together. Street has plenty of value. The value of a young, cheap closer is really high in this market. There are suitors. Street should net some nice prospects.
Crosby should be dumped. The "buy a prospect" approach could work well here.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 18, 2008 at 11:31 PM
I know that Escobar might be a stretch but maybe not Moustakas. After all, he is blocked by Gordon. Also, isn't their infield spoken for already?
Posted by: green_and_gold | October 19, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Who thinks Huston Street is an above average closer? What an a$$. Brad Ziegler will get exposed this year, but even he is better than Street. I think Street would fit perfectly into what the Mets bullpen is now. Why don't the A's ask for Carlos Delgado while they're at it?
Posted by: twoseamer | October 19, 2008 at 03:45 AM
Right. Street is worthless at this point, along with every other 25 year old closer sporting a 2.88 ERA and 1.07 WHIP with more K's then innings pitched over a 4 year career. Twoseamer, are you serious?? Talk about taking one down half season and running with it. Prior to his struggles, in which he pitched injured and still managed to put up a respectable stat line, he was considered one of the top closers in the game. Luckily real baseball people understand this, and also understand that when healthy Street can hang with the best closers in baseball. That is exactly why Street will bring in solid value this offseason, and Devine and Ziegler will anchor the back end of Oaklands bullpen while doing a pretty damn good job at it.
Posted by: jpshark | October 19, 2008 at 12:20 PM
if ziegler puts up street type #'s over a 4 yr span, i'd be very surprised. i see him better as a top tier setup multi inning reliever. joey devine or whoever else A's have in the pipeline eventually will take over as closer.carignan/hrod/demel etc. A's have a wealth of riches in the BP.law recent chat also said bailey/gray will be in the A's 09 BP at some point. i'd trade casilla too...very much like dotel in his stuff and being a headcase.
Posted by: arly2380 | October 19, 2008 at 04:52 PM
I think jpshark took care of the ignorance.
I don't think Street is a top closer. However, guys with similar career stats to Street get bigger contracts, and thus Street's affordability and relative durability make him attractive.
And, I think Ziegler has already been exposed. He's a set-up guy and a GIDP machine. If he leaves his pitches up, they get crushed. Best way to score on him is through patience: walk, small singles, bunts, general small ball. He doesn't strike out a lot of batters; he's not even close to dominant. And yeah, he does depend heavily on the defense.
Ziegler should be setting up for Devine. That way, if necessary, if Ziegler were to do something ugly, Devine would be available to get that K (Devine has a 10+ K/9 rate). However, Ziegler and Devine as co-"relief aces" is ideal, since their skill sets are so different.
Ellis and Ziegler were made for each other. If Ziegler can have a Chad Bradford-esque career, it would be nice.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 19, 2008 at 06:59 PM
"Good points from all but the one factor everyone is over looking is the A's are more concerned with the SS position. That is why they played Pennington there and you might see him as the starting ss if they trade Crosby"
Ellis signed means Crosby is as good as gone.
Cardenas is playing SS in the Arizona Fall League this year. Hopefully, he sticks at the position, he is much valuable at 2B.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 19, 2008 at 07:00 PM
I meant Cardenas is much more valuable at SS, not 2B.
Posted by: melonis rex | October 19, 2008 at 07:00 PM