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Uggla Trade Unlikely?
According to ESPN's Buster Olney, Marlins ownership will allow the team to keep all of its many arbitration-eligible players, if that is the front office's preference. The Marlins won't be forced to make payroll-motivated deals; instead, they'll just look for good baseball trades like any team. Greg Cote suggested the same a few weeks ago, noting that the Marlins will shift focus to pitching, speed, and defense but won't cut payroll just for the sake of it.
Olney figures they'll keep Dan Uggla:
It appears very unlikely they will deal Uggla and others, and they are poised to be the Rays of 2009.
Still, I wouldn't rule it out. The Angels are already said to have Uggla on the radar if Mark Teixeira leaves. Uggla is also considered a good fit for the Giants. The Marlins lost leverage when it was thought they had to move Uggla and others for payroll reasons. It's beneficial to get the word out that they can afford all of the arb-eligible players, even if it's not true.
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"It's beneficial to get the word out that they can afford all of the arb-eligible players, even if it's not true."
Thats exactly what I thought, I think they will still trade him, just dont want to be raped
Posted by: viktor06 | October 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Honestly I think the Marlins will end up holding onto Uggla unless they get a legitimately great offer, which I'm not so sure will happen.
From what I've read on this site and other places, it seems like the rest of the league doesn't quite value Uggla as much as they should. He's a guy with 35 HR power, a decent OBP and he's capable of playing a decent 2B. That kind of hitter is very unique for a middle infielder. And he's still under control for a couple more seasons. They aren't just going to throw him away because he's getting too expensive.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Well one of Uggla, Cantu, and Jacobs is all but guranteed to be traded this winter as they do want to add speed and defense....plus have Gaby Sanchez, Dallas McPherson, and Coghlan all waiting in the wings.
Jacobs would obviously be the preferred trade, as they could move Cantu to 1B and allow McPherson to play 3B (or leave Cantu and bring up Gaby).
I could see a scenario where both Jacobs and Uggla are traded though. Obviously the Marlins would have to get a ton in return, but I think the demand will be high for Uggla....think the Indians are prepared to offer more than usual....
Posted by: Hermie13 | October 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Because the Giants heavily rely on pitching I dont see Uggla as a good fit. They're already losing Vizquel and with Uggla at second there will be a big gap up the middle. I thought after the All-Star game errors were called Ugglas. Playing in a pitchers park would also knock down his numbers a bit.
Posted by: JaCoby Shaddix | October 15, 2008 at 02:12 PM
Hermie-
The Marlins have already said Cantu will be back next season, and McPherson does not figure into their future plans; not as a starter, anyway.
Should they trade Jacobs, Cantu would remain at third and Gaby Sanchez would take over at first.
As far as Uggla is concerned, the only way they will move him is if they get blown away by an offer, and it will most likely have to involve a young outfielder.
Posted by: m26555 | October 15, 2008 at 02:14 PM
I think the Marlins will make a slick move and sell high on Uggs. He is overated. Outside of his May/June he posted very ordinary numbers. He is a good hitter, he just isn't as great as people seem to think he is right now. He is nowhere close to Chase Utleys level, for instance. He is a nice power bat, but he is what he is. A .260/.340/.475 kind of guy with no glove who strikes out a ton. He is valuable, but I think his perceived value right now outweigh's his actual value. The Marlins move him I think.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 15, 2008 at 02:50 PM
"Playing in a pitchers park would also knock down his numbers a bit." Uggla already plays in a pretty pitcher friendly park.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | October 15, 2008 at 02:54 PM
uggla already plays in Dolphins Stadium, and huge park and still has 35homers potential. but his numbers will drop if he go to the NL West, but i dont think he will be traded unless they can get top propsect.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | October 15, 2008 at 03:08 PM
nrmax-
Just because you watched Uggla's horrendous All-Star Game performance doesn't mean you can say "he has no glove." He only made 13 errors this season and posted a 98.1 fielding %. He also has excellent range to his left.
Posted by: m26555 | October 15, 2008 at 04:01 PM
"As far as Uggla is concerned, the only way they will move him is if they get blown away by an offer, and it will most likely have to involve a young outfielder."
If the Marlins do not trade any of the outfielders that they currently have arb eligible, they will have a problem finding adequate playing time for the 4 they already HAVE: Maybin, Willingham, Hermedia and Cody Ross.
"I think the Marlins will make a slick move and sell high on Uggs. He is overated. Outside of his May/June he posted very ordinary numbers. He is a good hitter, he just isn't as great as people seem to think he is right now."
I guess for the last 3 years then only May and June have been his good months then? Uggs has hit 27,31 and 32 HR's and knocked in 90,88 and 92 RBI's each of the last 3 years. Sounds pretty consistent to me.
Posted by: johns | October 15, 2008 at 04:04 PM
"He only made 13 errors this season and posted a 98.1 fielding %"
Never, ever use errors to judge the quality of a fielder. I could simply just not get close to any of the balls hit, and I would never get any errors. But no doubt, I would be the worst defensive player ever.
Uggla's issue is that there are balls that he simply can't get to that other guys can. Now then again, I don't consider Uggla to be a bad 2B, I think he's mediocre. The power more than makes up it. He's one of the best second baseman in baseball, and that probably doesn't have a great deal of longevity to it, which is why it makes sense for the Marlins to move him now. He's the kind of guy who if he dropped off big time, I wouldn't be shocked.
And I don't get why the Marlins would go after outfielders, unless they plan on moving Willingham or Hermida, likely Willingham. I could see the Marlins landing a quality OF prospect for him, then moving Willingham. They would use an outfield of Hermida, Maybin and Ross until the prospect is ready, at which point they can wave goodbye to either Hermida or Ross, depending on a bunch of things.
Only problem is that the teams with a need for Uggla don't really have any good outfield prospects, so that could be an issue.
Really, I think that the Marlins simply HAVE to look at catching for Uggla. They could go after Jeff Mathis in a package from the Angels, or even Molina as part of a deal with the Giants. Unless this team believes that Jeff Baker can actually provide some quality offense at catcher, this team needs to go out and look for someone.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 15, 2008 at 04:42 PM
Uggla's issue is that there are balls that he simply can't get to that other guys can. Now then again, I don't consider Uggla to be a bad 2B, I think he's mediocre. The power more than makes up it. He's one of the best second baseman in baseball, and that probably doesn't have a great deal of longevity to it, which is why it makes sense for the Marlins to move him now. He's the kind of guy who if he dropped off big time, I wouldn't be shocked.
his defense is about the same as Utley and a few others, he is no Castillo in his prime by any means but he is average for the league if not a little above average. Now, Coughlan is said to be a little better in his adjustments and projections from the scouts so shall see. That is the number one reason I see us moving him.
For the outfield they like ross as a 4th outfielder and a bench bat, hermida I dont see them selling low on him he has such high potentials and showed it the second half of last year, I still think he breaks out next year, Willingham has solid value and should be sold off imo. He could get a spec or two.
for the package around a catcher it does nothing for us. Baker was very solid when brought up and has potentials there. We do NOT need catching for uggla, the opposite I would say go get some pitching prospects like a package around Alderson/Bum from SF, or a OF package like Delmon young from the twins, etc etc. There are plenty of teams with needs for 1st/2nd/3rd base. Uggla can play any of these for a team.
twins, giants, dodgers, cleveland, Angels, Arizona, brewers, mets, etc etc etc
Olsen, Uggla, willingham, Gregg, Jacobs
i expect all of them most for future pieces to build around durring the offseason
Posted by: Fishfan79 | October 15, 2008 at 04:54 PM
fishfan,
Most scouts consider Utley to be a brilliant defensive second baseman, one of the best in recent memory. Uggla wishes he could be Utley.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 15, 2008 at 09:04 PM
not the quotes I have read at all, sorry but welcome to show me numbers and none philly members of the media saying it. He isnt a GG caliber Defender at all
Posted by: Fishfan79 | October 15, 2008 at 11:04 PM
to me the lcs proved a lot.
1. blake dewitt isnt ready. he had 1 hit(the 3run triple)
2. players like martin, ethier, and kemp need to work on cleanup/pressure situations. combine kemp, martin, dewitt, and ethier left a total of 50 runners on base in the lcs alone!! those 4 guys. that why the dodgers didnt win, manny hit over 500, but when no one else is on for him to drive in, or is driving him in, it doesnt help. thats why they need manny plus another bat ready for the season. that why i thought dewitt and a prospect or two for uggla(if they firesale, even though they came out yesterday saying they wouldnt, u never know)? dewitt can play a solid 2b for the marlins in rebuilding and uggla can be that bat to protect manny. u have a lineup of:
furcal
martin
manny
uggla
ethier
loney
kemp
blake
w/ a pitching rotation of
cc
billingsley
maybe/hopefully lowe?
kuroda
kershaw
if they dont have lowe, then use mccdonald or sign a vet to take the spot.
any comments?
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 15, 2008 at 11:30 PM
Uggla wont go to the dodgers.....dewitt will not be a marlin...nor do i think he will be traded...i dont expect hermida back nor kevin gregg...cody, dan, josh, nelson, JOHN not jeff baker will be the starter...baker was a great #2 hitter...obviously you havnt watched him play...gosh u all know nothing
Posted by: Jman20 | October 16, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Anytime the Marlins make a trade or have Arb. Eligible guys they must be having a fire sale. I love that
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | October 19, 2008 at 01:04 PM