Would Peavy Play For Yankees?

The problem is that the Yankees wont be willing to part with Hughes. Besides I doubt Peavy is going to the Yankees. Maybe another team, but not the Yankees. The yanks dont want to give up prospects for him. They'd rather give CC a massive contract instead.

I wonder who exactly these '3 AL teams' are?

I'd love to see my Indians go after him...after trading CC we've got the prospects/players for it. Only player i'd part with LaPorta for would be Peavy. LaPorta, Shoppach, David Huff, and 2 other prospects would be a nice haul for any team, even for Peavy....

But who knows if Cleveland is a team he'd want to play for.....we should be close to contention next year....but not sure what his stipulations are.....

Would rather pay for a pitcher than trade for one.

Peavy < Hughes + Sabathia

I'm guessing that they are the top 3 teams in the AL: Red Sox, Angels, and Yankees. He wants out if the Padres are rebuilding... Why would he want to go to a young team like the Indians? Yes, I'm sure you'll mention Travis Hafner, Victor Martinez, Cliff Lee, etc. That's got nothing to do with what I'm saying. Look at they're other starters: Asdrubal Cabrera, Ben Francisco, Shin-Soo Choo, Fausto Carmona, Anthony Reyes... All under-achieving youngsters (Carmona could rebound.) Plus, if the Indians would pay Peavy, why wouldn't they pay they're own guy, CC Sabathia?

Sorry for the double post. Didn't see Not Joe Morgan's before I posted.

NJM... Really? The way I see it:

Peavy >>>>> Hughes
Peavy = Sabathia

What has Hughes done? Give me a larger sample size than "look at his last two starts" please.

Tribe offered CC 4 years and $74-80M (depending on who you ask). Peavy is getting paid less than that over the next 4 years. They have the money, that's not the problem.

why would he want to go to Cleveland? Maybe because they were one win from the WS a year ago and have a very good team still. Ben Francisco? Not gonna be starting come May, forget him.

Tribe actually scored MORE runs than the Yankees did this year....they are young, but they're good. Injuries hurt this club as did a bad pen.

Peavy, Lee, and Carmona would be a lethal 1-2-3 punch.....

I smell the white sox, not really but that would be awesome, we got get rid of MB, or JV or bother, and call up poreda

Who would start in Francisco's place? You put LaPorta in the deal above.

Why not trade hughes + prospect(s) for peavy, and try to sign sabathia as well? Peavy at 5yrs/$81 is more than an affordable contract in new york.
Sabathia/Peavy/Wang/Joba?/...

I think NJMs statement was assuming the Yankees go after one starter.

"NJM... Really? The way I see it:
Peavy >>>>> Hughes
Peavy = Sabathia"

My point was why give up Hughes for Peavy when you can just sign Sabathia, so it was saying that 2 is better than 1. Even the seemingly limitless Yankees do have a limit to their payroll so flipping one of their (few) high upside, marjor league ready, cheap players doesn't make much sense when other options are available. Might be a different story at the trade deadline, but not right now.

Considering Peavy has stated several times he wants to contend, I'd guess besides the Yankees maybe the Angels, Sox and Rays are possibilities.

Angels would make sense given their proximity to San Diego.

It would be pretty tough for even the Yanks to try and take on the contracts of Sabathia, Texeira, Peavy, while still plugging their other holes. Somethings gotta give...

Right, which is why Hughes should stay in the fold as a low money option. 1B, CF and 2 SP slots need to be filled without subtracting from the core.

There's almost no way the Yankeec could acquire Peavey. Other teams (including my Twins) have a lot more to offer the Padres if they want to move Peavey.

Yankee fans need to remember that while Hughes is still a good prospect, he's lost a lot of the buzz that he had a year ago.

In the AL alone, contenders with major league ready and/or near major league ready talent that could easily outbid the Yankees include the Red Sox, Rays, Blue Jays, White Sox, Indians, Twins, Angels, and Royals.

The one Yankee who the Padres would absolutely insist on in return for Peavey is Joba Chamberlain. All talks with the Yankees would begin with Chamberlain in the deal and quickly end without him.

Yankee fans need to understand that to acquire a player like Peavey, they will have to surrender at least one young, low cost, high value major league ready player - which, for the Yankees, only Chamberlain meets that criteria.

Bernie, I completely agree with you. And, therein lies the problem: The Red Sox would have to trade Jon Lester in the deal, and that will never happen. If the Padres would take Buchholz+Bowden or something, I would definitely get involved in trade talks with them. However, any deal (with any team) would HAVE to include their #1 SP Prospect plus a lot more. The A's and Rays come to my mind as teams willing to make such a move.

Bernie - Joba for Peavy makes zero sense. The Padres would get laughed at if they made that demand. Other than the inning count, Joba and Peavy had similar stats last year. Peavy's were in the ultimate pitcher's park in the weaker league, whereas Joba's were in the stronger league in a hitter's park (at least as far as RHP are concerned). And Peavy's salary has 2 more digits on it than Joba's.

Bernie

Did you not read where it said Peavy is "apparently considering waiving his no-trade clause for three unknown American League teams." It is assumed that the Yankees are one of them, so it is the Yankees versus two other AL teams. It isn't like they would have to outbid all those other AL teams you mentioned

If the Yankees have a chance to get Peavy and Hughes is the sticking point...bye Phil.

I think I missed the press release announcing that Sabathia had been added to the Yankees roster. Could someone forward it to me?

"Yankee fans need to understand that to acquire a player like Peavey, they will have to surrender at least one young, low cost, high value major league ready player - which, for the Yankees, only Chamberlain meets that criteria."
"he Red Sox would have to trade Jon Lester in the deal"

I thought the Padres would be going after prospects? these two are no longer prospects theyre big league pitchers. These two arent in the they might be good down the road class. Theyre top notch right now.

Yeah, but they're still very young. Remember, the Twins demanded Lester last year for Johan Santana. (Usually) Every star player commands a price tag involving a "top-notch MLB-ready Starter." How is Jon Lester not included there? Plus, he's a lefty, which increases his value.

because hes not MLB-Ready. last year this time he was a prospect but this year hes been the ace of the staff and will be slotted number 2 behind Beckett. thats not MLB-ready pitcher. its simply ML Pitcher.

MickS: www.mlb.com/sabathiahasbeenaddedtotheyankeesroster

Jon Lester has more trade value than Jake Peavy. That is to say, the Padres would be lucky to make that deal straight up.

Jon lester is not a prospect, SD would never have the audacity to ask for him. But The sox still have plenty to throw in, and I can't think of anyone who would be off the table as far as "prospects" go. Theo hearts Peavy big time and would have even more motivation just to keep him out of the division. The big question is if he's really on the block. I can't believe that SD would let the cornerstone of their franchise go for even a Santana or Bedard's Ransom. And if The red sox added a 4rth Ace? Woe is the rest of the league.

"Jon lester is not a prospect, SD would never have the audacity to ask for him."

audacity is a strong word but i agree. they know better than to ask for Lester or Joba.

"Jon Lester has more trade value than Jake Peavy. That is to say, the Padres would be lucky to make that deal straight up."

Wow you have got to be kidding me. Peavy has won ERA titles, K out titles, and a CY with an absolutely horrible offense behind me. Lester has had a good year, and could have many more good years, but we don't know that. This year could be a fluke. And Lester has the benefit of the sox offense behind him. Kinda like dice K; would he be 18-3 on any other team?

1) Andruw Jones, CF Dodgers

At first glance, Jones seems like a guy no one in baseball should be interested in. His production the last two seasons have been absolutely dreadful. In 2007 he batted a horrible .222 with only 26 home runs. This year he batted a mindboggling .158, with only 3 home runs and 14 RBI. He also struck out 76 times in 209 at bats. Pretty awful, right? I haven’t even brought up the fact that he’s due to make a whopping $15 Million in 2009.
So why should the Yankees kick the tires on Jones?

Well, lets look at some positives. Even though he’s been in the league since 1996, he’s still only 31 years old. Right now the Dodgers are stocked when it comes to capable outfielders. Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier are emerging stars (or at the very least, capable starters) and Juan Pierre is still under contract through 2011. Not to mention the fact that they will certainly be interested in retaining Manny Ramirez after the season. Reportedly Andruw will ask for a trade if he is not the starting center fielder in 2009. Recieving a starting gig should make him more open to waiving his no-trade rights.

The biggest factor however, is that Jones has little to no trade value right now. It would most likely take a mid-level prospect and perhaps some salary relief to aquire him. Lets say it cost the Yankees a no-name prospect and $7 million dollars. Would a move back to the East coast in a starting role for a contending team motivate Jones to return to his 2005-2006 form? Perhaps hard nosed manager Joe Girardi (a workout nut) could get Jones to drop the extra weight he gained before reporting to LA’s spring training. Best case scenereo? The Yankees get the ‘05/’06 Andruw Jones (51/128/.263 - ‘05, 41/129/.262 - ‘06, gold glove defense) for a few million dollars. Worst case? They get the ‘07-’08 Andruw Jones…. who’s contract expires after the season and can be replaced in June by Brett Gardner, Melky Cabrera or Austin Jackson.

Offense doesn't help pitching ; defense does. And Peavy plays in a pitching gold mine, one of the best parks ever for pitchers - PetCo, while Lester pitches in one of the worst, Fenway.

Lester at (approximating arb cases) 4/25 is more valuable than Peavy at 4/56 with all the no trade stuff, in my opinion.

"Wow you have got to be kidding me. Peavy has won ERA titles, K out titles, and a CY with an absolutely horrible offense behind me. Lester has had a good year, and could have many more good years, but we don't know that. This year could be a fluke. And Lester has the benefit of the sox offense behind him. Kinda like dice K; would he be 18-3 on any other team?"

Lester has already won a clinching game of a WS, pitched 14 straight SO innings so far of the playoffs this year and has a No-No to his credit at the age of 24 after missing nearly 1 year for a serious medical condition... Yeah, SD would be lucky, or Boston crazy to make the offer.

I agree with the Andrew Jones idea to the Yankees, I think it is a low risk, high reward situation, worth a shot in my opinion.

If the rumors have any morsel of truth and CC does have an inclination to sign with a west coast team, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dodgers win the bidding war and therefore forcing the Yankees to overpay for Jake Peavy.

Losing out on the Santana sweepstakes will certainly weigh on their mind as they make an offer for Jake.

Phillip Hughes, Brett Gardner and Robinson Cano would be one hell of an offer, but it's certainly a lot for the Yankees and who knows if the Padres would even want Cano's contract. I think they should; Cano could bounce back and be an ideal right-handed bat in between Brian Giles & Adrian Gonzalez.

Scratch that - left-handed bat.

I don't think Peavy goes to the Yankees unless Joba is involved. There's almost no way it goes down otherwise.

I love how all of the Red Sox fans always make fun of the Yankee fans for over hyping their prospects/players.

"Jon Lester has more trade value than Jake Peavy. That is to say, the Padres would be lucky to make that deal straight up."

You've got to be kidding me. Jake Peavy is currently in another league than Jon Lester. Now, that's not to say that Jon Lester might be better than him in the future, but right now I'd much, much rather have Jake Peavy on my team than Jon Lester. Jake Peavy has been dominating year in, and year out while Lester only has 1 full season under his belt. A little less than 2 if you count his 27 games from 06-07. So, comparing that to Peavy, who has had an ERA of 2.88 or lower in 4 of the past 5 FULL SEASONS. I'm not dissing Lester at all, he's a great pitcher, but currently I'd much rather have Peavy and the Red Sox would be incredibly luck to get Peavy for Lester straight up. Which, btw would never happen IMO.

Call me crazy but I would take Peavy over Lester or Joba if we are talking about the next 4 to 5 years.

Peavy is already a proven superstar with yearS of success. Lester and Joba are both very good young pitchers, who someday, might be as good as Peavy.

As wonderful as Lester has been one needs only to look at the Red Sox's starting "ace" to see how hard it is to find consistently dominate players.

Beckett's ERA from 2006 - 5.01, 2007 - 3.27, 2008 - 4.03. In his 3 years he has been awful, amazing, and average. After last year all I heard was nonsense about Beckett being the greatest pitcher ever due to his post season. He follows that up with a very Jered Weaveresque 4+ ERA in 2008.

One more great example, check out Justin Verlander. 2 great years in 06/07. Great peripherals, nice K/9. Did that while he was 23 and 24. He follows that up with an ERA creeping up to 5 this year.

Point is, plenty of pitchers flash success. Guys with big arms and amazing movement. MOST end up failing and falling back to earth. In Peavy's last 5 years he has had 4 amazing years and 1 average year. The guy will be entering his prime this year. He will be huge.

Players like Peavy, Oswalt, Halladay, Sabathia and Santana have earned their reputations over years of consistent performance. Let's revisit Lester and Joba in a few years before we make them "elite" pitchers.

"I don't think Peavy goes to the Yankees unless Joba is involved. There's almost no way it goes down otherwise."

I disagree. I think if they put together a package that centered around Hughes, Jackson, and maybe Montero plus another 2 mid level prospects, that would get it done IMO. That would be 3 of our top prospects to go along with 2 mid levels.

Arod188 beat me to it

Watch out JOBA123 - pretty easy way to get all your posts removed by spamming other sites.

bjsguess, lol yeah. But it's true, a proven Cy Young award winner in Peavy is much more valuable then 1 year of a good Lester. He's a great pitcher, he's just not at Peavy's level yet.

"I love how all of the Red Sox fans always make fun of the Yankee fans for over hyping their prospects/players."

I'm a Jays fan, so I'm completely impartial when it comes to Lester vs. Peavy, if not favored against the Sock. Playing that card makes no sense.

"So, comparing that to Peavy, who has had an ERA of 2.88 or lower in 4 of the past 5 FULL SEASONS."

Why are you insistent on ignoring the factors behind that? First of all, in only 2 of those 5 seasons did Peavy have a better ERA+ than Lester did in his FIRST MLB season. The difference in home ball parks and quality of competition faced is simply incomparable. Jake Peavy has a career 3.80 ERA away from PetCo, and that's still pitching mostly within the NL against inferior lineups, in a terrible division, and in better pitching parks. It's impossible to know what Peavy could do in a full season of the AL East, or what kind of sick ceiling Lester could have out in the joke that is the NL West.

92-92

Exactly my point. Lester has only had 1 FULL SEASON, not many successful ones like Peavy. Yes, you're right about lineups and ballparks, but you can't assume that Lester will have a season like he had last year, every year. Once again, it was only his first full season. The Dback's lineup was not horrible this year, especially with Adam Dunn. Although I don't know the Dodgers very well, although they had Kemp, Ethier, Loney, Martin, and not to mention, Manny Ramirez. All of those players batted at least .280 and had 69 RBI's+. Also, the guys that hit .280 and .289, Loney and Martin, are a mere 24 and 25 years old, with a lot of potential still to come. OK, Peavy dominates at home, that's what he should do along with what Lester did. Lester had a 2.49 ERA at home and 4.09 on the road as Peavy had a 1.74 ERA at home and a 4.28 ERA on the road. Those are pretty even and I wouldn't argue Peavy being bad away from his home park, just as Lester did.

I know the N.L West offenses and the A.L East offenses don't compare, but I was just trying to prove a point that the offenses in the N.L West are not a walk through the park.

It's not just Peavy pitching in one of the worst hitter's parks in BB (Petco Field) or the fact the Lester faced AL east teams which is one of the toughest divisions in BB year in and year out opposition wise, while the NL West is usually the exact opposite.

Peavy is as good of a pitcher that there is in the NL for sure, but for the RS to trade lester for him? What is to gain? Peavy has pitched 2 career playoff games that are pretty much MUST WIN games and has been blown away in both, that is not what you want from an "Ace" pitcher in the clutch. Strike out crowns, Cy Youngs during the season do not count for anything when the post season arrives, you want to continue winning and giving up 13 ER over 2 starts and 9 innings is NOT how an ace performs.

i doubt lester or joba would be involved in a trade for peavy. it wouldnt make sense when both are younger and had similar years. the deals will most likley be around hughes for yanks or bucholz or bowden for sox

Thou I wouldn't mind Lester being apart of any Peavy trade I think we are looking too much into it. Honestly if the Padres are to trade Peavy it will not be for Lester, since he has 2 years of service time. They are rebuilding if they trade Peavy, not reloading. Thus will looking for players with high upside and little to no service time.

Along with that, the Padres believe they have a lot of good arms on the way, but we lack position players, especially corner outfield and middle infield. Thats what they will look to fill via a Peavy trade. We all can say whatever we want, but in the end if they end up trading Peavy it will be for what they as a team want and need. For the Padres thats going to be high OBP, good AVG, with good speed players capable of playing middle infield or corner outfield.

I honestly don't see a match with either the Red Sox or the Yankees. Lowire would have to be in the deal with the Sox, and Jackson with the Yankees. A better match would be the Rangers or Rays, who have the pieces that the Padres want.

Do the Red Sox really need more pitching?

Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Buchohhlz, Wakefield not enough?

"Do the Red Sox really need more pitching?

Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Buchohhlz, Wakefield not enough?"

Probly... Bucholz is inconsistent, but still young (I see him more as a trading chip... Just My Opinion) and Wakefield is up there in age. Plus you can never have too much pitching.

yanks and sox have the players but are they willing to part with them for peavy?

yanks would have to give up hughes for sure and others might be cano and jackson

sox would have to give up buchholz and or bowden along with others. ellsbury lowrie masterson who knows? i doubt theyre willing to give up three or four of these guys for peavy but you never know

the rays have tons of prospects and could probably get a deal done

angels might have what it takes, but i dont see a ace in the making in their system.... adenhart? ummmm

Wow... What a Yankee fan lmao.

Buchholz will most likely be traded for a prospect Catcher. Tim Wakefield will probably retire. The Red Sox will meet with CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, and Ben Sheets. We need pitching, just like your precious Yankees do.

Beckett, lester, peavy, matsuzaka. i could pitch 5th and they would still reach the playoffs.

Hopefully Theo can find a taker for Lowell so we can make a run a Texiera. He was really impressive in the playoffs.

The Padres are not idiots guys! They are not going to hand over a Cy Young caliber, young pitcher like Peavey for a Hughes + Jackson and several other Yankee prospects. Philip Hughes went backwards this season; he is still a good prospect but now there is some doubt about his durability and maybe his ceiling.

Just because a prospect belongs to the Yankees does mean the young man is a sure fire, future major leaguer!

If Peavey is available, Kevin Towers is going to ask for at least one high value,low cost, major league ready player. There is no one else on the Yankee roster who qualifies except Chamberlain!

If the Yankees are one of Peavey's three AL teams (and that is a mighty BIG IF)and say the other two are from a list that includes: Rays, Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, Indians, Royals, Angels, and Rangers, all of those teams have multiple, young,low cost, high value, major league ready players that they could offer. The Yankees have one: Chamberlain.

This is one of the worst comment threads on MLBTR ever.

Joba is not being traded for Peavy.
Lester is not being traded for Peavy.
I would put my house (given the credit crunch, that's not what it was) on it.

Packages around Hughes/ Bucholtz sound right. Hughes probably a little more worth than Bucholtz.

I can't believe people are saying stupid crap. Sorry, 3 AL teams.... how many NL teams?

Hughes plus will get it done.
Bucholtz plus will get it done.

But it's not about what we value. The stupid thing is the Yanks/ RS are not going to trade Joba/ Lester for him.

I'm a Brit, and I'm laughing at some of you Septics* proposals.

* look up cockney rhyming slang.

"If the Yankees are one of Peavey's three AL teams (and that is a mighty BIG IF)and say the other two are from a list that includes: Rays, Red Sox, White Sox, Twins, Indians, Royals, Angels, and Rangers, all of those teams have multiple, young,low cost, high value, major league ready players that they could offer. The Yankees have one: Chamberlain."

I take it bernie does not refer to Bernie Williams...

"Who would start in Francisco's place? You put LaPorta in the deal above."

Gutierrez and Choo are both better IMHO.

Plus we just got Brantley in the CC deal and he should be ready sometime during 2009.

Whatever happened to players like Eric Duncan and Dellin Betances?

I agree that the Padres should only listen to offers that start with Joba.

If the Yankees start with a Hughes offer, it better include 4 more of their top 10 prospects... which don't look at all too appealing.

On behalf of the Braves, I offer:

Kelly Johnson - High OBP, good power, young 2B;

Gorkys Hernandez - 5 tool CF - great defense, good bat; still 2 years away;

Cole Rorhbough - lefty starter with big upside;

A couple other pieces (but not big ones) as you need.

Braves' big advantage is that Peavy might actually WANT to come to Atlanta.

AtlantaMike, thou i am sure that sounds reasonable, remember this Johnson has 3 years of service time, Hernandez plays CF. I think a trade with the Braves is possible, but it would involve Jason Heyward. They would demand him. We have a CF less than two years away in Cedric Hunter, and his numbers would not work in the corner.

If the Braves would not part with Heyward, i think Yunel Escobar would than be the Padres next choice. They are going to ask for the moon for Peavy, aces don't come cheap.

In addition for all of you that keep suggesting that an ace caliber pitcher(possible) returning to SD remember this, none of the deals involving CC or Johan gave their respective teams that in return.

As I had posted elsewhere this would be the trade. The Padres get Hughes,Cano and Austin Jackson. The Evil Empire gets Peavy and one of the three young catchers that the padres have (Hundley,Carlin or Morton).
The EE gets Peavey and someone for Posada to groom,while the Pads get a speedy centerfielder to bat leadoff, and a second baseman for the next few years and a young arm to fill Peavy's spot.
Th Yanks make this trade if they have learned anything from the Santana situation. Trade potential for a Cy Young winnner.

Airman, personally, I'd include Yunel (but not both Yunel and K. Johnson, of course... that would wipe out our middle infield). The Braves Nation does not agree... they think Escobar is untouchable.

I don't think there's any chance Heyward gets traded, though.

Airman is right on. Unless things change in San Diego with the ownership they will want high quality, low (or no) service time players.

Acquiring Cano does not fit in that category. Even a guy like Hughes is tricky. My guess is that their prime target would be someone with no service time yet but is virtually a lock to be an impact player (Porcella, Price, Weiters, etc).

That's just to get the conversation started. Peavy is Johan Santana - just slightly younger and a lot cheaper. Mock the NL West all you want - Peavy would front line almost every single staff in baseball. He is an outstanding player and would change the fortunes of several teams overnight.

BTW - my earlier comments were not advocating the trade of Lester or Joba for Peavy. I was simply comparing their current value. I don't believe that a trade with the Yanks or the Red Sox would be in the Padres best interest.

AirmanSD, that's because the Brewers got CC for 3 months, not 4+ years. And as for Santana, the deal was hurt due to the fact that an extension had to be reached. That was like trading 4 prospects in exchange for a meeting with a free agent.

Yes Soxfan93, i understand that, but what i am saying is this. If the Padres decide to trade Peavy its because they are rebuilding it. Pure and simple. When you rebuild, you get pieces for the future, not the present. Johnson /Cano/Lester/Joba with the service time would not be the target. We would lose them before we finished rebuilding, and thus wasted them on not competing.

Bjsguess: Thank you. But honestly i dont think a pitcher is going to be targeted, not as the center piece, the organization has a knack of getting arms, but no such luck/skill at developing position talent.

Ok, I got you. But if the Padres are rebuilding, why did they pick up Brian Giles' option? Will they look to trade him (again)?

Soxfan93, its a possibility, but also there is a chance this team might think it can compete next year (as sad as that sounds). But in all honesty i think it cause we have little option in the matter, we don't have an RF in the system to replace his bat, and we can get more from him in a trade than the picks...simply cause we are better at evaluating other teams talent that drafting.

"BTW - my earlier comments were not advocating the trade of Lester or Joba for Peavy. I was simply comparing their current value. I don't believe that a trade with the Yanks or the Red Sox would be in the Padres best interest."

Most people that watch here (and a little baseball) would realize this also bjsguess. Chamberlain and especially, Lester are not going anywhere and if SD does look to move Peavy, it will be for young and controllable players whom are affordable and not for players like Cano whom have 5 years and 53M owed under they're present contract, negating the reason for the salary dump in the 1st place.

It would seem like they would be looking for young arms also and that would mean LA Angels and Boston in the AL mostly, but cannot even see either of those honestly wanting to pay the king's ransom that kevin Tower's generally tries to extract for his players in return, when both those teams already have good to excellent starting rotations as-is in the 1-3 slots and both also having very solid #4 starters as well. It just does not make sense for either and not trying to hammer on the Yankees, just do not see anything near ML (or AAA) that approaches impact player, other than Hughes and he looks like is way over valued by them IMO, or they would have traded him last year when could have acquired Santana.

I think the reason Chamberlain and Lester won't move is because of their high value to their respective team. Lester's value is closer to Peavy than people think. Think of it this way, the package for Haren was better than the one for Santana because Haren's trade value was higher than Santana's, not because he was a better pitcher. Lester is a 24 year old lefty power pitcher, coming off of an excellent season, who has developed into a big game pitcher and is getting paid 400k to do it. Bang for your buck, Lester will cost much less over the next 4 years than Peavy and his numbers won't be much worse than Peavy. I'm NOT saying Lester is better than Peavy, I'm saying he's younger and cheaper and appears to have a very bright future. And honestly I think a Lester for Peavy straight up isn't a great trade for the Sox. Moving from a pitchers park to a hitters park changes a lot of variables. Too many to gamble, especially when you still have to pony up more.

Chamberlain has a similar argument, a 23 year old power pitcher. But different reason he won't be moved. Not only does he have a good chance to be an ace for the next several years, he's already had a good deal of success.

One thing about Hughes that people keep forgetting when considering his value. He's already had 2 injury plagued seasons. At this point he may be high reward but he's also high risk. If the Pads take him they'd probably want another arm with him, a safe pick to go with a risky one.

I've been thinking, the Angels might actually have one of the best fits of talents to trade. The Pads probably want a future shortstop to take over from Greene, possibly a future closer to take over from Hoffman, and someone with ace potential as a starter to be the major pieces. Brandon Wood, Jose Arredondo, and Nick Adenhart. Add in a few B prospects and suddenly the Angels have a 1 through 5 that gets to the World Series... of course it does mean needing to sign K-Rod or put Shields in as closer.

I'm not Red Sox expert (Braves fan), but I can't imagine why Boston would even consider trading Lester. He's young, proven, and cheap for years to come. I really don't even understand the suggestion.

AtlantaMike - I'm not suggesting that they would make the trade but let me ask a similar question.

Would you trade Justin Verlander for Peavy if you are the Tigers? I think it's a slam dunk. Based off last season Peavy is still a monster and Verlander suddenly looks vulnerable.

Now step back one season. Verlander was coming off his 2nd consecutive dominant season. 2 seasons that are very comparable to the one season that Lester just put up. Verlander had to be considered a top 5 pre-FA guy. A year later and we have a bunch of red flags. His value fell off a cliff because of one so so year.

Point is, Lester is hardly proven. Let him repeat his success for a few more years and then we can talk about him being proven.

bjsguess, I'd take Verlander at $600K, over Peavy at $11 mil (and more over the next few years) ... and then spend the difference on yet another pitcher.

But, I take your point. Really not arguing.

I've looked at it from the Red Sox point of view, and in my opinion we have 2 untouchable prospects: Clay Buchholz and Lars Anderson.

Therefore, if the Red Sox were to make a run at Peavy, I think it would start with Michael Bowden, projected to be a good, solid, innings-eating middle of the rotation guy. Made his MLB debut this year and could start in the padres rotation next year.

The next prospect probably involved would be Argenis Diaz, a SS who is touted as a defensive whiz in the mold of Alex Gonzalez, also projected to be a below average hitter. He reached AA this year and is 1.5-2 years away.

Next is Josh Reddick, an outfielder with good power potential, decent speed, a strong arm and an aggressive approach. Hit in the .340s or so at Lo A and Hi A this year, and struggled in a promotion to AA. Still a couple years away.

Next is Ryan Kalish, a good pure hitter good plate discipline., Very athletic, strong arm, reached Hi A this year, still a few years from the majors.

The final Red Sox prospect that would be talked about is the little-known Stolmy Pimentel. He is a pitcher who played in short season ball this year and has a "projectable frame" as they like to say. He was coveted in the Manny-Bay trade before the Dodgers added in Morris to get the deal done.

I am not saying this deal would get it done, or that the Red Sox should offer it, just that I think it will take maybe 4 or all of these guys to get it done. It would add pitching, rangy outfield help for that big ballpark, and a defensively minded SS, all at different levels throughout the minor league system that would bolster the Padres system.

This being said, as with Santana last year, the Red Sox do not have a pressing need to overpay in prospects for Peavy as I think they are for the most part satisfied with the depth they have, as I am, but they will always inquire and do their homework on whether a guy is worth it.

"Brandon Wood, Jose Arredondo, and Nick Adenhart"

As much as I would love to have Peavy, I think that is a lot to give up. Could the Pads be interested in a guy like Kevin Jepsen instead of Arredondo? Jepsen is similar to Arredondo and could be a future closer... And what about Aybar or S. Rodriguez instead of Wood? Aybar is our SS now but he is still young and S. Rodriguez is a high upside possible star 2B who hit .305 with 21HRS in AAA. Adenhart Im willing to give up, but Im reluctant to part with the others. So here's a proposal:

Pads get:
Adenhart
Jepsen
Aybar/S. Rodriguez
Willits (speedy CF with leadoff possibility)

Angels get:
Peavy
B prospect... to even it out
(low pitching prospect if necessary)

You guys are nuts if you think Peavy is worth Jon Lester at this point. Peavy pitches in the best pitchers park in the MLB as well as the weakest division: the NL west.

I don't think Peavy would be much better than a really good #2 pitcher in the AL East. Also he has a history of elbow injuries.

That said I would have to imagine the Sox would be interested in Peavy's services and perhaps a package built of low-A high upside prospects around Buchholz/Anderson could get it done.

I personally don't think he is worth it. I'd rather the Sox pursue one of the big FA pitchers or look at more reasonable upgrades to the pitching staff that don't involve near MLB-Ready prospects. We already have one ace in Beckett, a possible ace in Lester and a great #2/#3 in DiceK. If Masteron or Buchholz can stick in the rotation that is a solid core 1-4 and then you let Wakefield/Bowden/Buchholz battle it out for the 5th starter option.

"Pads get:
Adenhart
Jepsen
Aybar/S. Rodriguez
Willits (speedy CF with leadoff possibility)

Angels get:
Peavy
B prospect... to even it out
(low pitching prospect if necessary)"

Ridiculous trade for the Padres.

The Sox will likely keep Wake for 1 more year, sign Tek for a year or 2 and then give him a coaching job, trade with Texas for a catcher, sign another starting pitcher, not go after Teixera with Lars waiting in the wings, trade Crisp since CF's are short on the market(not that they'll get a helluva lot), hopefully eat Lugo's contract(worthless as it is)and move on, and possibly sign a utility infielder. I'd rather not have CC because I think his arm will fall off soon. Don't get me wrong I know he's a horse but Milwaukee rode him into the ground. I do agree you can't compare what Peavy's accomplished to Lester's great year. I think it certainly helps Peavy plays in the NL. But he won't be cheap and Bowden, Bucholz, or Diaz won't get it done.

Peavy shouldn't be going anywhere this offseason. It would make absolutely no sense to trade him when his raise doesn't kick in until 2010. Wait until next offseason to begin these rumors.

his value is sky high it make alot of sense to trade him.

lennymoon-if the yankees want morton or carlin in a trade they can have both

if buchholz is untouchable the sox shouldnt even bother calling the padres. someone actually suggested bowden as the centerpiece after saying hes projected as a number 3 type starter.

for everyone who thinks peavy is a number 2 in the AL on a different team. you obviously havent seen him pitch or need to lay off the pipe. peavy is one of the best in all of baseball

this home road era excuse is bs. look at his splits in 07, 05, and 04 almost identical. yeah he get some help by the park, but he also hasnt gotten any run support.

"It would take a Lester Plus 4-5 prospects or a Chamberlain and Hughes and 4 more prospects" "ML level in 2009 + 5 more prospects including a top 20 in all of baseball type to get him." "Dbacks(6 for 2) and Bedard to the Mariners (5 for 1 including two ML ready players - one being a top 10 prospect). "

Not sure where to start with this one. There is NO team in baseball that will give up a young staff ace who will cost substantially less than Peavy over the next for years AND 5 prospects. Why? Because that would wreck a team. Massive loss for a minor gain.

As for the Haren and Bedard trades, NEITHER included a pitcher of Lester's caliber. Your arguement seems to be about quanitity is worth more than quality... it ain't

After reading these last 20 or so comments, I feel like I need to clear something up. I never said that the Red Sox should trade Jon Lester for Jake Peavy. What I said was that the Padres would likely demand Lester, effectively ending trade negotiations. However, I was told that I was wrong, so whatever.

I was expecting to click this thread and see a lot of posts claiming that the Yankees could get Peavy without giving up Hughes. So in that respect, I'm pleasantly surprised

Peavy's haul would be the biggest we've seen in recent years for any pitcher. Multiple blue chip types

Truthfully, I would rather have C.C. that Peavy. At least C.C. has had success in the AL. Peavy (I don't think) has ANY AL experience, so who knows how he would do?

Ok, I thought I made it clear, but I'll clarify.

If it requires Buchholz, and they will not talk without him, I personally would accept that we're not trading for him. Who knows what the Red Sox are thinking, or how they value Peavy and/or Buchholz.

Also, that was not an offer sheet I made up, it was more if, as my opinion is, Buchholz were not included, who would be. So, I used people from our system and input from previous comments on this thread from what Padres fans said they needed, and I heard SS and corner OF. Diaz is out top SS prospect and Reddick and Kalish our top COF prospects. I wouldn't consider Bowden as the centerpiece, I simply started with him because he is the closest prospect we have to the majors, and Pimentel has the highest upside of any player I listed. I would not blame the Padres for not talking without Buchholz involved, but I also wanted to list names in depth rather than say Bowden, Diaz and a few other prospects. If you don't like those players in a deal, fine, I don't blame you. I just wanted to put out there that after Buchholz and Anderson, this is what the Sox have that might interest/fit the Padres needs.

trading hughes for peavy doensnt make sense. We can just go get cc. And who's saying Peavy wont command the type of money CC will get this year.

"And who's saying Peavy wont command the type of money CC will get this year."

Jake Peavy is already signed for 5 years/$81 Million. You can either pay him that, or pay CC Sabathia 5 years/$130+ Million.

"It would take a Lester Plus 4-5 prospects or a Chamberlain and Hughes and 4 more prospects to get Peavy on his CHEAP, Cheap, Cheap 4 years plus an option year contract."

I doubt the Sox would even discuss Lester. I wouldn't.

Jon LEster was better then Jake Peavy this year. And he is younger, and he is cheaper, and he has proven he can beat AL East teams. Peavy also has the whole injury questionmark thing. He is a little guy with too much torque and I can't help but think he will run into some arm problems. No reason for the Sox to even discuss Lester.

or you can trade hughes for peavy, sign cc and be one of the best teams in baseball again

"So please pull your heads out."

Find a mirror, and tell it to the guy in the mirror. If you think Peavy will get you Lester by himself. Let alone Lester plus 5. The hilarity.

"or you can trade hughes for peavy, sign cc and be one of the best teams in baseball again"

Oh, thank god you said that. I was afraid that I would go the whole day without hearing a Yankee fan mention that their team is entitled to every big-name player in baseball. Thank you very much, sir. ;)

thats funny cause im not a yankee fan. its just something i could see the yankees doing

Red Sox dynasty. Know this. Talking about superstar talents (Joba) on teams you hate, and calling them nothing's just makes you look like a complete moron, which you do look like. Nothing more annoying then some fan that can't admit that a rival team has good players. Joba's done nothing? You are a fool. You must be a young kid. Saying Joba Sucks Lester Rules!.... does not make you look like cool.

Man, I hope that's not true. Youkilis is an MVP candidate and is just as good as, and younger than, Mark Teixeira. Michael Bowden could be great, too. As much as I like Peavy, I would never give up Youkilis.

I agree that Joba has some great talent... Superstar? Isn't way too early to say that? Joba would be one of the greatest closers in (at least) Yankee history. However, as a starter at the major-league level, all we know is that he can get hurt. If they're smart, they keep him in the bullpen, where he potentially can become great.

Red Sox Dynasty, I'd like to thank you for completely wrecking any good will towards Red Sox fans that I and several other old school Red Sox fans have been trying to gain by proving we all don't think that every player on our team is a god and every player on every other team simply sucks.

You should know a few things:
1) Joba's stuff and his ability to be both a very effective starter and set up man suggests he could be a very dangerous pitcher for several years to come. Your "he has done nothing comment" is completely out of line.
2) Joba's postseason experience is meaningless. Statistically it's an insignifigant sample size.
3) Lester is not better than Peavy right now. Lester has had 1 great season. Peavy has had several incredible season. Lester's trade value on the other hand is pretty close to being equal to Peavy.

Wow. Even as a Red Sox fan, I have to disagree with nearly everything that Red Sox Nation said. He is without a doubt the BIGGEST homer I have ever seen in my life.

Red Sox Nation

Joba should have won every start this year for the Yankees. If it werent for the offense scoring one or two runs for him every game. And calling joba a choker in the playoffs is insane. I wonder how your boy Papelbon will pitch if bugs were flying in his dirty mouth. If Toree had asked to stop the game none of that crap would of happened. Besides it was 2 innings.

its weird to me that the yanks might be willing to trade for peavy using hughes, but many were hesitant to trade him for johan. just an opinion

"its weird to me that the yanks might be willing to trade for peavy using hughes, but many were hesitant to trade him for johan."

Different year, different time, different result. Last year Hughes had better value and was supposed to have at least have shown more promise today. Injuries have derailed that. And Peavy has more value than Santana.

RED SOX DYNASTY!:
"One more note on peavy.Reports out of Boston talk of sox trading Youkillis (3b) and Bowden for Peavy and then signing Mark Teixeira to replace Youk at first. Sox then trade Buchholz to Texas for Teagarden and CJ Wilson."

Do you have a source on this, or was it just some idiots on WEEI?

I personally cannot see what San Diego would want with Youkilis who will be 30 early next season. Plus, trading Youkilis and then signing Tex blocks Lars Anderson in a season and creates a flexibility problm at 1B/3B when Mike Lowell gets injured or leaves town.

I'd rather spend money on CC or Burnett than give up prospects for a non-essential upgrade to the teams 4th starter. The only position the Red Sox desperately need to upgrade immediately is at catcher and then the usual bullpen stuff.

Also I am going to assume the Red Sox would flat out hang up the phone if SD asked for Lester + more for Peavy. They wouldn't do it for Santana, and now with Lester's emergence as a dominant force in the AL East they definitely wont.

Would you stop with the arrogance, RED SOX DYNASTY? Just state your opinion and leave. Don't start with the homerism and insults.

As for Peavy, I believe he's more likely to be traded during the '09 year or '09 offseason. I think they'll want to try and see how well they perform next season before trading him. Remember, they did accept Giles's option.

Red Sox Dynasty

I am enjoying the playoffs. I like how your star Beckett has lost 2 games and allowed 12 runs. I love how the Rays are gonna woop your asses. Oh yeah clay no hit the Oriols while Hughes has won a playoff game and almost no hit Texas but he got injured. Joba had only 12 starts and in 11 of them he allowed not more than 2 runs sometimes 3.

Besides I picked the Phillies to win it all and it looks good right now!

"Man, I hope that's not true. Youkilis is an MVP candidate and is just as good as, and younger than, Mark Teixeira. Michael Bowden could be great, too. As much as I like Peavy, I would never give up Youkilis."

First of all, Youkilis is an MVP candidate since the AL was absolutely horrible this year compared to last year in hitting categories. Second, get your facts straight. Mark Teixeira has proven for 5 straight years out of 6 career years that he hits 30HR and 100RBIS. Youkilis hasn't hit 30HR yet, yes i know he hit 29 but that isn't the magical number of 30. Third, Youkilis is not younger than Teixeira idiot. He was born on 3/15/79 and Tex was born on 4/11/80. Before you try to make your player look better than a PROVEN STAR, try looking up the stats before you make yourself look like an idiot.

Was there any reason there to call me an idiot? lol. Okay, so I was wrong about Youkilis' age. Big deal. Second of all, how about this. You look at the stats:

Mark Teixeira: .308/33 HR/121 RBI/.410 OBP/.552 SLG in his 6th full season.

Kevin Youkilis: .312/29 HR/115 RBI/.390 OBP/.569 SLG in his 3rd full season.

Youkilis still has room to improve, whereas Teixeira really does not.

Your argument makes no sense. "magical number of 30?" Does that even exist? I've never heard that before... Not too magical.

You're just another arrogant Yankee fan.

offseason predictions:

Add:
C.C Sabathia 5yr. $150 mill
Mark Texaria
Manny Ramirez

Lost:
Phil Hughes
Melky cabrera
Mark Melancon
Jason Giambi
Mike Mussina
bobby abreu

guys. what happened with players like ian kennedy, Austin jackson, alan horne, mark melancon,eric duncan , dellin betances, Etc. the list can go on. the yanks have incredible young talent in the farm system. the yanks will get a deal done for peavy, CC, Texeria, or even Manny. so it doesnt neccesarly have to be hughes in a trade.but, if the yanks can leave the offseason with peavy or C.C, and texaria and also have Hughes. i would call the yanks HUGE WINNERS. the yanks need

2 SP
1 1B
1 Outfeilder
even 1 2B (if cano gets traded.).

another pitcher the yanks can get instead of cc, and peavy could be a solid number 2 or 3 starter. pitchers like A.J Burnett, and Ben Sheets.
And who ever mentions Joba in a trade with peavy is stupid. the yanks wouldnt trade Joba in any deal for the next 2-5 years.

red sox dynasty, I respect fans who know what they're talking about and talk about it civilly. Whether they be Mets fans, Angels fans, Red Sox fans, or even Yanks fans. People like you, I have absolutely no respect for.

"what happened with players like ian kennedy, Austin jackson, alan horne, mark melancon,eric duncan , dellin betances"

Eric Duncan hasn't been a serious prospect for a while now and no team would consider Kennedy worth trading for.

RSD, you're just proving the point of what an elitist, arrogant person you are.

"remember these people believe melky=johan and every free agent loves hank and hal."

Now you're just plain lying and insulting. Even the most homerish Yankee fans wouldn't believe that.

Keep your comments confined to your mind. We don't need this garbage flowing around the board.

On the lighter side, wherever Peavy goes, success should surely follow for the team that acquires him. However, the Pads probably won't be trading him until next season, where his payroll substantially rises.

"Eric Duncan hasn't been a serious prospect for a while now and no team would consider Kennedy worth trading for."

I agree about Duncan, but Kennedy still has some value. Teams can not look at one year to determine his entire career. He has been consistently good in the minors, and he has shown flashes of promise in the Major Leagues, such as in 2007. I'm not saying he'll be the centerpiece of any deal, but I believe some small teams would inquire to include him in a deal. Some players just might need a change of scenery.

Yes, RSD, one of them will. I'm hoping it's CC, but logic tells me Sheets. I'm guessing that Sabathia signs with the Dodgers or the Giants, and the Yankees sign Burnett and/or Derek Lowe.

RSD, you embarrass the rest of us Red Sox fans.

I feel I have to pull something from Scrubs... I have so little respect for you I'm going to stop talking to you in the middle of a

"He has been consistently good in the minors, and he has shown flashes of promise in the Major Leagues"

So did David Pauley, but no one considers him a prospect worth trading for. Kennedy's stuff will maybe let him top out as a #4 pitcher but more likely he seems to be a AAAA pitcher. But yes, he won't be a centerpiece. If he's part of a deal he'll be that B prospect that's thrown in to make sure the deal works. In a weaker NL division he could be a very solid number 4, but right now he has virtually no value.

Umm... I'm pretty sure everyone on this site has more respect for start wearing purple than they ever will for you, dude. I enjoy reading SWP's comments because, unlike you, he has baseball intelligence. You have no idea what you are talking about, and never stop bashing the Yankees. We get that you're a Red Sox fan, you just don't need to be a dick about it.

God, the more I read RSN's comments, the more positive I am about him being 8 years old.

why thank you soxfan93, my favorite insult from him was the lack of a gf thing. It was kinda funny.

This guy RSD is just a clown. He has no objectivity, and he can only see what his Red Sox colored sun glasses let him see. SWP, sf3, and lots of other Red Sox fans.... no offense to you guys. This is just one of those trolls who thinks he is smart because he started watching baseball this year and he watches Baseball Tonight on a daily basis. He is just a troll, and I think that anybody who has come across any of his entries would realize he has no credibility, and is probably just hitting puberty. I suggest we all just ignore him, and he will probably just go away.

"I suggest we all just ignore him"

I'll second that notion.

If the Padres do decide to move Peavy, where do you guys think would be the best fit? I'm thinking the Rays, A's, White Sox, Phillies, Rangers, and maybe even the Astros. But which of those teams would give up what it takes to land him?

You know when the red sox won the world seires I thought they'll stop they're bitching but most of them have not. Bome dynasty 6 world series in like 80 years.

"You're just another arrogant Yankee fan."

Yeah, I'm just another arrogant Yankee fan... You Red Sox fans always talk s**t to us for making our players look better than they are, and thinking we can get any deal done with "crap prospects". You comparing Youkilis to Teixeira and saying they're equal is insane IMO. I think just about everybody here would agree that Youkilis needs more years of this kind of production to prove he's in the same league as Tex. I'm not TRYING to put down Youk and say he's a bad player, I'm just saying that he's not in Tex's league yet. It just angers me when Red Sox fans are hypocrites in general. Not trying to single you out, you were just the first one I noticed. Teixeira>Youkilis...Period.

Just putting this out there, I'm not an ignorant Yankee fan at all. I'm not putting down Youk because he is an excellent hitter who also plays flawless defense. I was just trying to make a point. I hate ignorant bloggers as much as the next guy.

How can you say that Jon Lester will never be a staff ace "based on past performances?" In his career, Lester is 27-8 with a 3.81 ERA. He was 16-6 this year, 7-2 in '07 and 4-0 in '06. That was a very asinine statement that you made, obviously without looking at the statistics.

"After having what is the worst type of injury for a pitcher, rotator cuff, and clearly showing he doesn't have what it takes to be a starter right now, Chamberlain is going back to being a bullpen guy for 2009. Even his own catcher said he doesn't belong in the starting rotation at this point in his career."

Ok i would just like to throw out some ideas. First off, Jobas a starter. has been his entire life and will be to begin the season. because theyre going to want to limit his innings THEN theyll move him into to pullpen later into the season. this was the mistake they made last year and thats why he got hurt. he went from a minor workload to a major load.

Second. Lester's awesome. just because hes slotted 3rd doesnt make him a #3. this year hes been without question the best pitcher on his team. and next year at worst hell be 2-B.

RedSoxDynasty

I agree Joba does have potential and has shown it with a 2.70 starter ERA. It isnt Girardis fault he's in the pen. girardi wants him to start . The reason they started him in the pen this year is because they thought their bullpen was going to suck ass but it didnt.

"Joba's done nothing but show he's got a man-crush for Youk"

You've said this earlier and I didnt catch it till now. If Youk didn't crowd the plate he wouldn't get hit. Hes as bad as Jeter in hogging the plate. What do you expect with a guy that likes pitching 97 and in and Youk got his whole body over the plate. I would of hit him in the head to tell him to back off.

RedSoxDynasty

I do agree with you that Lester is an ace. I've always hated him which is a compliment. I've always said though that Beckett would never have the season he had last year and so far its looking good. But I didnt think he would suck this bad in the playoffs. I thought he would still be good.

"I Don't know where to start with this one because neither Lester, Hughes or Chamberlain is a staff ace nor is any of them going to be a staff ace anytime in the near future based on past performance."

1) I've never argued Chamberlain was a staff ace. I've argued so far that he's a very special pitcher and if I was Cashman I'd never trade him for Peavy or any pitcher, even if it means not getting Peavy with another package. It would be worth the gamble, especially if I had to give up multiple top prospects along with him.
2) I've NEVER said Hughes is an ace or even an ace in training. If you bothered to read previous posts I've refered to him as a high risk/high reward acquisition.
3) Lester is the staff ace. The staff ace is the guy you give the ball to an feel confident you'll win. Matz had a great year, but gave every Sox fan a heart attack and most people only counted on him being solid through 5. Beckett's injuries this year also derailed him from this belief. But when Lester had to ball, every Red Sox fan felt confident even before the playoffs.
4) Take it from the Red Sox perspective. Would you trade Lester + 4 or 5 prospects including top prospects for Peavy. If you're answer is yes, you're either an idiot or you just want the Red Sox to lose in that trade.

Simply put, if the red sox wouldn't trade Lester for Santana last year, why would they trade him for Peavy after the stellar year he had in '08? This is the performance they were expecting out him since they projected him as a prospect and proof enough for management that they should continue to hold onto him over guys like Santana, Peavy, et al.

I agree that the Pods need position talent more than pitching and would probably be happy with a MLB ready position player like Lowrie or even Ellsbury plus a pitching prospect. I would love it if they could dump Crisp but that might be asking too much.

Only RedSux and Yankmee fans can clog up a message board debating who is more disliked.