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According to Bill Shaikin and Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times, the Angels have begun contract discussions with C.C. Sabathia. The authors believe the Halos could make an offer in the range of Johan Santana's six-year, $137.5MM deal. If the Angels do make such an offer, you have to imagine the Yankees will respond by upping their bid significantly.
Despite the talks for Sabathia, Mark Teixeira remains the Angels' top priority. They haven't made an offer yet, but Scott Boras seems to want ten years while the Angels are willing to do seven. It makes sense to open serious dialogue with Sabathia to lessen the risk of missing out on both star free agents.
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Has anybody factored in the cost of living?
Cost of living in NY is 6.1% more than in LA.
A salary of $138M in CA is the equivalent of $147M in NY.
Posted by: Xycosis | November 25, 2008 at 09:00 AM
I think this is a move to increase his price tag. Angels have pitching and need hitting. Vlad is not the same Vlad form when they sign him, after him, they don't have any power hitter in that line-up. The need for Tex is much greater tha CC and the other way around for the Yanks. Plus they will son have to give Lackey a big extension specially if they give CC 20+. Watch Lackey ask for around the same amount per year.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | November 25, 2008 at 09:06 AM
I say just give Teixeira 10 years, why not? He's only getting better.
Posted by: xethicx | November 25, 2008 at 09:09 AM
If one were to factor in cost of living, then other factors like endorsements should be considered as well. LA may be a good town for basketball players, but it is not a baseball town by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted by: Castro | November 25, 2008 at 09:12 AM
The COL argument is way overplayed. You cannot go to sites like the Wall Street Journal and use their salary calculators becasue they are not realistic. In my business I move people around the country all the time and this is just a straw-man argument. First, LA and NYC are comparable in cost of living. Second, Milwaukee is cheaper than NYC, but there is nothing to do there + the endorsement and hi-profile opportunities are greater in NYC. Third, Milwaukee's offer had a lot of money deferred, making the real value of their offer more like $18 million/year. Fourth, it is likely that the Angels would also backload any offer with a ton of deferred money and I think this should be considered until proven otherwise.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 09:24 AM
One last thing, the Angels are also probably in on CC just in case they lose Tex and also to drive up the price for the Yankees on CC so they stay away from Tex.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 09:25 AM
wow; CC, Lackey, Santana, Saunders, Escobar?!!!
That being said, they don't need cc or tex to win the west, but for fan support and to i guess be competitive with the east...
Posted by: ArodMVP217 | November 25, 2008 at 09:38 AM
any other yankee fans get a little short of breath when they read that headline?
Posted by: GeneralManager | November 25, 2008 at 09:56 AM
Sabathia, Lackey, Santana, Saunders, Weaver.
That rotation would be unbelievable. And maybe if Escobar is ready midseason then they can deal either Saunders or Weaver for offensive help. If they could add some pop at just one more position and get a healthy season from Kendrick, nobody would stand a chance against that rotation.
Posted by: scribbletone | November 25, 2008 at 10:03 AM
ArodMVP217, Pretty good rotattion right. Now imagine the line-up without Tex and if Vlad's knees don't hold up.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | November 25, 2008 at 10:09 AM
Vlad isn't the only bat in the Angels lineup. Everyone keeps forgetting they signed Torii Hunter, and if you look at Mike Napoli's homeruns per plate appearance he ranks up there with the best hitters in the game so look for Napoli to get time at DH this season when he isnt catching to get him more at bats.
Posted by: RAWbert | November 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I agree with CMM that the Angels are only making an offer so the Yankees have to spend more to sign him so they will be less likely to go after Tex.
Posted by: RAWbert | November 25, 2008 at 10:59 AM
I hope the Angels stick with seven years, because Tex is a rare player I could imagine the Sox caving on a ten year contract to. Thirty-eight is up there, but he's at the best possible position to hold up until that age.
Posted by: 0bsessions | November 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM
I'd much rather the Angels get Sabathia than Teixeira.
Posted by: melonis rex | November 25, 2008 at 11:41 AM
This has nothing to do with cost of living. CC just doesn't want to play in NY and as long as the players union doesn't make him take the highest contract, he will be playing anywhere else but there. Wont it be refreshing to see the yankees and the red sox fail in buying the best free agent for once. if the angels get him, that will be the best rotation in baseball hands down. just don't expect CC to flourish in the playoffs
Posted by: gocletribe | November 25, 2008 at 11:45 AM
CC would be nice, but I still prefer Tex.
In the end, I agree with the theory of pursing CC drives the asking price for the Yanks to focus on CC than Tex. However, I am hoping that this signals to Tex, who claimed he was sincere about continuing to play for the Angels, that he can signal Scott Boras to say, I don't want the opportunity to miss out to sign with them Angels.
I know, wishful thinking on my part.
Posted by: tbone88 | November 25, 2008 at 11:53 AM
All this talk about CC not wanting to play on the East Coast is silly. Show me where he said it? Did he say it directly to you? of course not. This is another negotiating ploy to try to get as much money as possible by scaring the East Coast teams and by getting as much interest from the West Coast Teams as possible. There is so much posturing on the players' and teams' sides that you have to take everything with a grain of salt. CC likely wants to know what he would be walkign away from if he takes the Yankees' offer...that is human nature and makes a lot of sense. The Yankees realize this and are keeping options open becasue anything can happen. That is smart for all parties...Angels included.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 12:07 PM
If the yanks miss out on CC then they will go after sheets, burnett lowe, tex and maybe manny and just spend on everything and everyone
Posted by: hollaforskolla | November 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Holla - if the Yanks don't get CC, which is entirely possible, they will certainly make moves. I would guess their top priority would be to go very hard after Tex and then they would look at the pitchers something like this:
Sheets - if they could get him for a 2-3 year deal with a high AAV that could lessen the risk
Peavy - this would require work, but one guess would be flipping Swisher and an arm (Braves?) for a good prospect and then packaging that prospect with Brackman, Melky and Kennedy (and maybe Miranda) for Peavy. Towers has handled this badly and is not likely to get what he could have if he managed the process better + he and Cahsman have a good working relationship.
Burnett - if he would take 4 years.
Lowe - if he would take 3 years at $15-16 million. The last time he pitched in the AL east he had a 5+ ERA.
Just a guess, but it seems to make sense.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 12:21 PM
"All this talk about CC not wanting to play on the East Coast is silly."
OK, if you want to parse words the statement should read he would prefer to play on the West Coast near his home. Equivalent to Tex preferring to play on the East Coast near his home town. Is it a deal breaker, maybe not. Don't even think for a second that the Angels sole purpose for making an offer to CC is drive the price up. They are in on both but wanting Tex for the offense.
Posted by: Burtis | November 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM
The Yankees better hope the Angels offer isn't close to Johans because he'll take it to pitch on the west coast.
Posted by: JT89 | November 25, 2008 at 12:29 PM
All I know is, that the Angels need Tex more than CC. Vlad doens't have that many years left on him, plus he has bad knees. If Vlad is out, their line-up looks crappy. At least if the Yanks sign Tex, they can still get Pettite and a few others on shorter deals like Lowe and Sheets. Angels would have good SP, no hitting.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | November 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Burtis - it's the same thing. How do you know he wants to play close to his home? It's all spin, all the time, form all sides. CC is an adult and he has played in the major leagues for enough years to know that you are on the road for 1/2 of the 6 month season anyway. The "close to home" angle is posturing, too. This is not like his mom is going to come see him play at the local park. This is a business. Close to home is a factor, but not THE factor the these guys. Money, endorsements, playoff chances and teammates are all much bigger considerations.
FWIW, CC also has "friends" who have said he has always been intrigued by playing for the Yankees...so what? he is going to make his decision based upon a mix of all these factors, but don't think for an instant that $ is not a big deal.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Also - Of course the Angels would want CC. That would be great for them, but it also allows them to not be empty-handed in they somehow lose Tex + the added benefit of driving up the cost for the Yankees keeps them on the fringes for Tex (or they think that it will). This is business for the Angels, too and they are handling it the right way.
They have $ to spend and can't come away with nothing of impact this off-season.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Preferring and ruling something out are two different animals. I did not say it was THE factor, again parsing. It can be and possibly is A factor. I know about as much about him wanting to play close to home as you do about it not being a deal breaking decision, none.
If you're going to make money, endorsements, playoff chances, and teammates the primary influencing factors than the Angels and Yankees, being in the number one and two sports markets, are going to be exceptionally close. All these being close to equal could make "playing closer to home" a rather important aspect in a decision making process.
Posted by: Burtis | November 25, 2008 at 01:03 PM
I agree with you, which is why I think that CC wants to know what he would be walking away from before he makes his decision on the Yankees' offer.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 01:12 PM
Oh, and I think CC is smart to do it this way. Have an idea, make your decision and move forward.
Posted by: CMM | November 25, 2008 at 01:13 PM
No more fat pitchers that will break down at the end of their contract... I think givin' a guy who goes every 5th day that much dough is insane... fork it over to Manny and Tex...
I want my M.T.V.!!!
Manny batting second, Tex 3rd and Vlad 4th... And don't forget Torii!
Posted by: Scott | November 25, 2008 at 02:47 PM
haha i dont think the cost of living really matters when you have 200 million dollars to your name
Posted by: midnight5 | November 25, 2008 at 03:40 PM
i really think the angels need to hop off and give cc to the yanks
Posted by: soxsucketh33 | November 25, 2008 at 05:27 PM
I agree midnight5. The cost of living has no impact on the Type A free agents in baseball. In any sport for that matter.
I like the fact that the Angels are in on CC. Drive that price sky high. If the Halos can sign both Tex and CC, even better!
Posted by: dpncharge | November 25, 2008 at 05:29 PM
The Angels I think have enough money to sign both of them if they absolutely wanted to. If they really wanted to cave into their demands.
The Yankees don't care to spend so much money on the two, so why can't the Angels? I wouldn't mind that.
Posted by: Ksy92003 | November 25, 2008 at 06:02 PM
I believe the Halos are serious about CC. You can never have enough starting pitching and they realize this. If they do land CC then the obvious question is do they have enough offense to support (what would be a monster staff). I feel they will then bolster the offense via trades. They still have a great farm system and should be able to make a deal or two and get some much needed bats.
Posted by: dchillis | November 25, 2008 at 07:21 PM