Braves Near Peavy Deal?

Tim, are the dodgers totally out of it, or is it like manny, them be a darkhorse, something happens with deal(peavy says no) and they come in for a trade. also, what/who are the dodgers going to pursue for pitching?

prob cause cubs will win sooner

the braves will still finish in 3rd or 4th place. they have to many holes.

the cubs have about the same chance of winning in the post season as the braves do. we saw that this year.

Management, you forgot about Gorkys Hernandez. But I agree, those pitchers the Padres are getting are nothing special. Maybe Jo-Jo Reyes, as he was a high draft pick in 2003, and he has a live arm.

I do think that the Cubs package sounds better, especially if they included Vitters, from what I have been hearing.

good deal, the braves should definitely do this one. they get the ace they need for 80 cents on the dollar, not that im knocking the brave prospects, but its hard to match peavy in value, thats as close as i think it will get and the padres get alot of positions covered for the next few years

"the braves will still finish in 3rd or 4th place. they have to many holes"

haha...if you were a phills fan maybe you could talk but 2nd place chokers should not talk. By the way when we sign Lowe and Ibanez will you still say we have holes?

Man, this trade stinks.

Why aren't the rangers in on peavy? They could use an ace.

Teagenharden, Brandon Boggs (or maybe an RP or SP) and Joaquin Arias for Peavy anyone?

I don't see adding Peavy and losing Escobar picking up 13 more wins for the Braves from last season.

You guys still have quite a bit to accomplish, let's hope for everyones sake this is true and we can ALL move on. Big grats if you get him with that package... i'd be floored.

this deal is fine... i think though the Padres would want to get a Rohrbough or a Locke as the last guy to give a future possible front line starter not **** in Boyer

Bdlugz,

The rumor is that the Padres would have their choice of a few guys, including Boyer as one possibility. Still in 2005, his only season with more than 5 ML appearances before 2008, Boyer was very impressive over 37+ IP, posting a 3.11 ERA and nearly 8 K/9. Both his K rate (8.38) and BB rate (3.13) were very impressive last season. The only thing that held him back was his terrible HR rate, which should he helped by a move to Petco. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I see some pretty good potential there.

"I don't see adding Peavy and losing Escobar picking up 13 more wins for the Braves from last season."

To be fair it is necessary to see what else the Braves do in the off season if they can sign like Derek Lowe not saying they will just an example. Also add a power bat I think they could be contenders next year.

If I were a Pads fan, I'd be disappointed. Yunel is great and all...but there isn't all that much upside in this deal.

However, I'm not surprised. I'm betting that Hendry didn't want to give up Vitters, or wouldn't include Ceda in the same package. We'll see...but it just feels underwhelming for what Jake can do.

Congrats to the Braves fans if you land him for this...that would definitely be a win for you and Wren as well.

Any chance the Padres would flip Yunel to another team?

He would be perfect for the Reds...

Morton and Reyes would be a throw in, neither guy in my opinion has what it takes. Both are lacking confidence and struggle with control. Boyer is a reliever and Bobby would kill his arm before next season is over anyways. Basically it appears as if its Yunel and Gorkys for Peavy

Also, to me, this is more quantity than quality...

Aduncaroo, I don't blame the Padres. Their farm system is pretty barren with all the weak drafts they've had.

*Cough* Matt Bush *cough*

Excuse me.

Bigdaddyjenks or w/e ur name is, Cubs fans arent crying, but thanks. Yes it would be nice to have him but its going to be ok. You worry about ur Sox, who SUCK.

That deal is awful. That is definitely quantity over quality. None of those players other than Escobar are worth anything. I can't believe the Padres accepted that trade. Talk about lowballing it....

Peavy wants to come to the Cubs!? Hendry come one throw Ceda in the deal. He's not even going to be the closer of our future Marmol is. Even if we don't get Peavy I think Hendrys plan is.
1.) Peavy
2.) Sabathia
3.) Dempster
4.) Ben Sheets, Oliver Perez, Derek Lowe ect.

I would love to see Peavy in a Cubs uniform. Like I said give up Ceda. Have a deal like.
Sean Marshall
Kevin Hart
Jose Ceda
Donnie Veal
Ronny Cedeno
Felix Pie

Yeah I agree. Tim, the Braves aquring Peavy @ 5 years $82M without giving up any of heyward, Hanson, Teheran, Schaffer, Rohrbough, Flowers or Freeman is a steal. The Padres are basically just getting a solid SS and a CF with huge projection and not a lot of production through his age 20 year. The Pitchers are throw ins really. Reyes and Morton might thrive in Petco but who knows. I really hope they go for Locke instead of Boyer.

"Now it could happen without Hanson, Heyward, Schafer, Rohrbough, Teheran, Flowers, or Freeman heading back the other way. That's Escobar and 1 of the Braves top 8 prospects."

Seriously...and the 1 prospect they are giving up is blocked by Schafer, so its not like Hernandez was going to get much of a shot anyway. Wow...I really think Wren did a great job here if this holds true. I'm not the biggest Yunel fan either, although I love the defense, but his OPS+ went from 119 to 103, which says he is about an average hitter....maybe a tick above. Giving that package up for a true Ace and top 10 pitcher in the world right now seems like a great deal for Atlanta.

The Braves still have plenty of money too. Obviously money is by far the most important factor, but I think it becomes slightly more likely that a top free agent accepts an offer from the Braves instead of waiting it out and trying to eek out a couple extra million from another team. Still, the most important factor from the Braves perspective is knowing you have the 2nd best pitcher on the market before anyone else can even make an offer to free agents. Yeah if Lowe or Peavy give you 80% of Peavy you come out ahead, but what chance does Atlanta stand against bigger market teams in the bidding for Lowe or Burnett? Maybe a 25% chance of landing either guy? I don't think the Braves will consider Sheets because of his injury questions. What other top of the rotation options does that leave? Don't forget the Braves still need to add a lower tier starter too. There's only so many guys on the market. Even in your free agent projections you could only match up the Braves with one SP other than Smoltz. There just isn't the supply to fill the demand on the open market. That's why you have to go through the trade market sometimes.

If that's all then it might be time for Padre fans to get the pitch forks, the torches and the rope ready and go nuts.

That would be a pathetic haul for an ace, and I would be so furious

Can't be Devall. Have to be with a team a year before you can trade them. To say the Cubs are offering Vetters and that is better than offering a major league player that has done well at the toughest position does not make sense to me. I would much rather have a proven guy over a prospect.

The two southpaws are probably Locke and Evarts

This haul seems, at best, even with what the Twins got for Santana last year, and Peavy's contract is significantly cheaper than what the Mets had to pay Santana.

The main post by Tim says its one of two minor league southpaws so it's probably Locke OR Evarts. Sorry for the misunderstanding on my previous post.

sorry i misread I would then suspect that its Locke I read about a week ago that they were really high on him and that he would become their best pitching prospect and start at AA next year.

We'll just have to look at other areas where the Cubs can improve and not lose anybody in the process.

It was a minor victory that the Stros and Cards got kicked out of the deal too.

If/when Peavy signs with the Braves, congrats! I'm not sure if I'm ready pick them to win the East, but who knows, right?

On a side note, every single time I check in on the Cubs there's a Chi Sox fan there to comment. I just don't know why Chi Sox fans worry about the Cubs so much. The White Sox aren't the Cubs' rivals, the Cardinals, Astros, and Brewrs are. Worry about the AL.

No prob man. I definately hope it is Boyer though. Peavy/Lowe/Jair/Hampton/Hanson sounds pretty good to me if we can get a big outfield bat and a decent shortstop

I would definatly like for it to be Boyer to but I just don't see them wanting a guy that has never been that dominant at the major league level. The only thought I have is that they see him as their closer next year but I have to think that they would have a better option than him.

The Cubs seem to be offering up some better talent than what is part of this trade. I hope Peavy says F off to the idea of being traded to the Braves and makes San Diego move him to a team with a better shot of winning. Peavy doesn't deserve to go from one stinker to another.

I don't know why they would want Boyer honestly. How great would it be if the Braves got Peavy and Dempster when the cubs could might of almost had them both. Still bet Dempster goes to Chi but i know Bobby Cox wants him.

Well, unlike most fans here, I think this is a pretty fair deal.

First off, Peavy comes with some injury red flags, and if his elbow flairs up again, who really knows what his future holds? Tommy John perhaps? The Padres nursed him down the stretch so one has to be a little cautious. Add in the fact that he's moving from the #1 pitcher's park in the league takes a little shine off Peavy as well.

On the flipside, no one ever really knows what you get when it comes to prospects, but a young talented shortstop is a truly valuable commodity. The Padres have a history of picking up undervalued relief pitchers (Meredith, Bell, Cameron, etc.) and doing well with them, so if they choose Boyer, I suspect they'll do ok there. Add in Morton, who has the stuff to be a good one if he puts it all together (you can't teach a good fastball but you can teach a guy how to pitch), and Hernandez is worthwhile guy for a team with few decent outfielders (on the major league level or down on the farm) and that centerfield area begs for a guy with speed.

The Cubs offer never impressed me; I believe both Cedeno and Pie are out of options and that leaves them "stuck" at the major league level where they've hardly established themselves. The Padres could find themselves in the same boat as the Indians are with Andy Marte.

All in all, the Braves may come out ahead in 2009 but over the long haul, a lot of factors will determine the winner of this deal (including the return SD gets for Khalil Greene).

And for the record, I definitely can see the Braves contending, and even winning if things break right. As a Met fan, I will never count out the Braves, and I honestly thought the Braves were the best team in the division last year when the season started, and they had a rotation of Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, Jair and 5th starter, and a core of Chipper, Tex, Yunel, Kelly, McCann, and the French Man. They were decimated by injuries, and got an awful season out of Frenchie. I still see the Braves as a team to be reckoned with, now and in the future. Do I think they are the favorite to win the division? No, but do I think if they stay healthy they can make some noise in the NL? For sure. Braves fans should definitely feel good about where Wren is taking them. A lot of new GM's would have panicked under the chance to get Peavy but Wren remained patient, read the situation perfectly and made his move.

Baseball is a game of luck. Luck with injuries, luck with your offense being consistent, braves fans know where I'm coming from.

"Obviously that is your opinion and that's fine but please explain how the Cubs offer is better. I am honestly having no idea how you could think that unless your a Cubs fan just wishing."

They are rumored to be trading MLB ready talent. Guys that have played there and in limited time playing behind other guys did well. Say what you want but getting Marshall alone would be good for them. I can see him pitching really well there and only getting better if they left him in the starting rotation. Vitters most likely is included. Cedeno played well in the time he played steadily and he seems like he'd be a good fit when they dump Greene. If Ceda is in the deal too, he could work his way into a future closer role and maybe Pie. We don't really know the EXACT pieces of the offer, who and how much but other than Escobar, the rest of those guys are just prospects. I remember reading somewhere that Towers want MLB ready guys to work with. PLUS, I highly doubt now after the last month that Peavy would waive the no trade clause to play in Atlanta for the next 5 years... I don't see them competing in any division races any time soon like the Cubs would be. That guy has to be so sick of losing. Remember, the Braves and the Padres could come up with a perfect deal and Peavy could nix it.

btw Yunel u will be missed greatly....

vaprorized while it could be possible vitters is in the cubs package but highly unlikely, then what mlb ready talent are u talking about?? marshall?? cedeno?? pie?? Cedeno= not very good/ marshal= number 5 starter/ pie= not mlb ready and prolly never will be, the only real mlb ready talent out of both teams is yunel escobar. I would take yunel over marshall, pie, and cedeno...

vaporized,
all those players cubs are trading are players that did not satisfy the expectations and are out of option....mind as just well get rid of them..
Marshall i guess is the center piece?...
and quit being an idiot predicting how a teams going to do for next 5 years, you will make your self sound like and idiot maybe a year later...look what happened to detroit/tampa bay this year

haha ok vaporized explain something to me if the pads jus want young pitching and according to you the cubs are obviously offering better young pitching why in the world are the pads taking the braves deal over the cubs?!? Especially when towers is good friends with hendry and peavy would rather go to chicago and towers wants to make peavy happy??? please explain it to me cus i jus dont get it...

Speaking of luck, jtd, the braves were 11-30 in one run games and underplayed their pythagorean record by 6 games. They could easily have won 80-85 games last year with just a little luck, especially if they hadn't sat chipper so much to help him win that batting title.

Escobar is a very high price to pay, however, when there are guys like sheets available on the free agent market.

ummm i wouldnt quite call marshall great. maybe more like ok. And stop assuming that 2 of ur top prospects are in the deal, theres no proof that vitters was offered. Besides who is the centerpiece of ur deal?? Escobar is the only true proven major leaguer in either deal and thats why the pads are goin to take the braves deal. And vaporized im still waiting for u to explain to all of us why the pads seem to disagrre with u and are taking the braves package???

"Just swapped e-mails with someone in the know in Southern California after seeing that story. It’s the same offer the Braves have discussed for days on end with Padres, but I think the only difference is they agreed to add the fourth player, either Boyer (Braveheart, they must have read your note earlier) or one of the lefty prospects, Locke or Rohrbough".

This is a quote from David O'Brien on the Braves blog

I laugh at these people questioning this trade for the Braves. I mean hello, there is no Hudson and possibly no Smoltz. Why not go after another Cy Young pitcher to replace what we've lost? Our pitching is in shambles. What are we really losing? Jo-Jo? He blows in the bigs. God, this would be a blessing.

if this is true i feel sad for padre fans...brave "fans" who dont show up when theyre team isnt winning well ive always felt sad for them...and peavy from 5th place in a division to 4th...well thats a big upgrade for him. ur missing out on a real team w/ a real fanbase w/ a real shot of winning a championship.(cubs)

clay5504- Well, really, because Kelly Johnson, while good, is not worth Ryan Ludwick, despite the rumors. It's possible the Cardinals think Ludwick was a fluke but they still have enough leverage from that monster season and his affordable contract to net something more valuable. And I like Johnson, too, but if I'm wrong I would be disappointed Mo couldn't get more out of an almost MVP candidate.