Details On Manny Offer

can't believe the guy who carried this team to the playoffs and almost singlehandedly to the world series is getting NO love at all from MANNYWOOD. I'm thinking Ruben Amaro swoops in with $25 million per year for 3 and gets it done. How sweet would this order be:

1-Rollins
2-Victorino
3-Utley
4-Howard
5-MANNY
6-Werth
7-Dobbs/Feliz
8-Ruiz/Marson

Get out your checkbook Dave Montgomery.

Manny would hit 4th and Howard 5th, but he's not going Philly.

4/$75m Dodgers

It'll take more than $75 mil over 4 year IMO. I think it would have to be around 4 yr/ $100 mil to get it done. He may take $75 over a 3-year contract with an option on the 4th. Of course, in that case, the 4th year would have to be worth anywhere from $20 to 25 mil.

Why wouldn't they want Manny. He hits better than Burrell and plays similar defense.

Manny should be the least of the Phils worries. They need another starter because nobody is scared of Blanton, Moyer or Meyers. They need another legit starter behind Cole Hamels. Go after Burnett and Juan Rivera and everyone will be talking repeat

The Dodgers are gonna have to do better than that. 1st year 15 million? I'll bet Boras was screaming! Dodgers will have to guarantee 3 years and option the 4th to have a shot at Mannywood in 2009.

I just can't see any other team giving Manny big money. He'll probably end up in LA.

I think the Dodgers end up giving him the third year guaranteed and upping it to around 3/63. They'll probably give him a 4th year option as well for something like $23M with a $9M buyout. That was Manny still gets 3/72 guaranteed but can land as much ad 4/86.

I thought manny was great and all...but theres no way in hell I would give him 4 yrs. The guy will be in his 40's, screw that...I don't want some old timer playing left field. I say let some other team play the sucker and give the old man 4 or 5 yrs. We can get a really good outfielder for much less than we would pay manny.

"I guess we'll know more after this Friday! I'm still concerned about losing Furcal, but that's a tough call for any GM."

I heard furcal wants something like 4 yrs. If thats true then I say he's not worth it. The most I would give him is 2 yrs. The guy can't go a full season without getting hurt.

Between this and the Angels not giving Teixeira an initial offer, Boras seems to be getting some push back. Not sure what good it does and I'm also not sure what good it does to leak this to the media other than if the offer is just a token one to appease the fans...

Totally agree with bjsguess' comment. The Dodgers will up their offer once they see what the market really is for Manny. No point to offer him what he's asking for before seeing if anyone else will. Making the beginning of negotiations with LA and other teams begin at a low point is likely the goal of this offer.

I don't think starting off with a low (or not offering anything at all) offer is really going to make all that much of a difference in the final analysis.

With both teams, regardless of what they offer, Boras will drag out negotiations until he can get enough teams bidding against each other (in Teixeira's case anyway) that he gets near the money he wants. With the Red Sox and Tek, he didn't sign his last contact until 2 days before Christmas.

And like with Tek, if there's not the market for his players that he wants there's always that "mystery" team that's interested. The Red Sox were bidding against themselves last time to sign Tek.

As long as the Yankees get invovled, and I believe they will, they can turn any type of market upside down. Hell, sometimes they make up the whole market. If the Yanks miss out on Tex and C.C. (God forbid) and decide they want Manny, they will get him.

Is it me or are the rumors about the Dodgers on this website really lame? For a team with the second most money to spend all they seem to be writing about is who they aren't going to resign. I don't see how the dodgers aren't interested in a second baseman. Look, if I'm Colletti and i have about 50-60 million to spend, this is what I'm doing.

Sign Manny for 4 years and $82.5 million (guarantee years 3 and 4 at 22.5)

Let Furcal go, he's not worth 15 million a year, is Orlando Cabrera really that much worse. Sign Orlando Hudson or Orlando Cabrera, who ever is willing to take 2-3 years.

Sign Oliver Perez.

Trade Juan Pierre for Luis Castillo. The Mets are looking for new faces and maybe we can get Heilman if we pay a little of Pierre's salary.

Resign Park.

If we have an money left, which I estimate we may have between 5 and 10 million, make a run at Randy Johnson.

Manny at 15, Perez at 16, Cabrera at 11, Johnson at 10, Park at 3.

Here are your 2009 Los Angeles Dodgers....

2B-LUIS CASTILLO
SS-ORLANDO CABRERA
C-RUSSELL MARTIN
LF-MANNY RAMIREZ
IB-JAMES LONEY
CF-MATT KEMP
LF-ANDRE ETHIER
3B-BLAKE DEWITT

SP-CHAD BILLINGSLEY
SP-OLIVER PEREZ
SP-HIROKI KURODA
SP-RANDY JOHNSON
SP-CLAYTON KERSHAW
SP-JAMES MCDONALD

RP-SCOTT PROCTOR
RP-AARON HEILMAN
RP-CHAD HO PARK
RP-HONG CHIH KUO
RP-CORY WADE
RP-RAMON TRONCOSO
CP-JONATHAN BROXTON

WOW!!!!! I WOW!!!! Scott Boras, Manny can't field at all, no one will pay that kind of money for some who can just hit, unless they put him at DH, Just WOW.

Their no way Boras lets Manny accept that offer...That offer pretty much says "Thanks for you services,good luck in free agency"...Dodgers are gonna have to gurantee at least 3 years with a $25 million salary if they want him back.

manny is going for the crazy money, 4/100 and im pretty sure he will get it because his numbers basically creates its own market

At this stage Manny is looking at making $5M more than he was looking at with the Red sox (options). For the right team, 3 guaranteed years 70M might be a starting point.

I can't wait to find out which GM would pay Manny more then $20 mil over 3+ seasons. I have some waterside property I have to unload.

once again the dodgers show their stupidity!!! don't sign with the angels manny... stay away

Unbelievable. Big Poopie thinks they would have won the world series if his butt buddy, Fanny, was still on the team. Well, I have one question for Ortiz: How the hell was that going to happen with Manny riding the bench, faking a knee injury? If Manny was on the Sox for the whole season they wouldn't have even made the playoffs, and I say that because their winning percentage went up significantly the day Manny left the team. Had they finished the season with the same winning percentage while Manny was still there, they would have finished in 3rd place behind the Yankees.

Jason Bay didn't put up the numbers that Manny put up in LA, but Bay did put up the numbers that Manny has put up for Boston for the last two years, so that really wasn't the problem, and especially considering some of the great fielding plays he made. Manny wouldn't have come within a mile of catching the balls Bay caught. Ortiz is whining because he sucked this year. Instead of making excuses, maybe he should learn how to hit to left field, because right now every team puts that infield shift on him and if he doesn't hit a home run or a double off the wall, he's almost an instant out. And he knows he sucks because in the playoffs he was so desperate that he resorted to bunting. That was pathetic, how low the mighty have fallen. And Ortiz is falling apart physically, last year it was the almost season long knee injury and this year a nearly as long wrist injury. What's it going to be next year, shoulder, elbow or hip? It would be a real wake up call to him if the Sox pursue someone who could replace him, like Prince Fielder. Ortiz should STFU about Manny, cos if Ortiz had hit a couple more homers in the playoffs, the Sox might have made it to the world series. That .154 batting average Ortiz had in the Rays series was abysmal, and if he could have only hit as well as the player he's implicitly dissing, Jason Bay, who hit .292 during that series, they most likely would have beat the Rays.

I'm sick of these millionaire cry-babies, making more in one year than I'll make in my entire lifetime, who can't perform up to the level of an college amateur and then blame it on someone else or pout and quit trying when things don't always go their way. Let me tell you, for $20M/year I could be a black jew playing every night for a stadium of Hitlers and you'd see nothing but 100% hustle and a big sh1t-eating grin on my face the whole time.

once again the dodgers show their stupidity!!! don't sign with the angels manny... stay away

Posted by: Halosfan13 | November 12, 2008 at 09:28 PM

Maybe you are the stupid one. The Dodgers should just offer arbitration, let him go because he wants way more than he should get. Let Lowe go too, offer arbitration obviously, and the dodgers get 4 additional first round picks in the next draft. Sounds good to me. Also, Blake leaving gets us sandwhich picks and if maddux doesn't retire there is another or 2 sandwhich picks.

The Dodgers should go after Oliver Perez, resign Park, sign Renteria to a 1 year deal, maybe 2, and sign Crede to a 2 year deal with an escape clause if Crede gets injured in 09.

I'm not sure of the legalities but since the Dodgers did not exercise the option year(s) of Manny's contract, can they turn around and offer arbitration? Would seem rather contradictory to me.

Frankly I think the Dodgers would have been better served by not making an offer at all to Manny rather than making one he probably considers insulting. It's clear (to me anyway) that Manny will go where the paycheck is highest. I have no problem with that approach. Where manny appears to distinguish himself from others is his approach once he signs a contract. People may complain about Tex or Kent but they were true professionals. If they signed a contract they did their utmost to fill the terms of that contract. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of Manny which is why I would only ever sign him to a 1 year deal with a couple of option years based on performance.

The Dodgers fans who are lobbying for Colletti to "get it done" at 4 years/$100M should steel themselves for the possibility that they will be paying $100M for a half-season of primo Manny, and three-and-a-half seasons of "bad" Manny... the one who jogs to first on gappers, sits out for a week at a time with a balky knee, complains about being hassled by teammates and reporters, and demands a trade every offseason.

Manny lost motivation in Boston because, as far as he was concerned, he had already played out as much of his contract as he needed to, and quitting on your employer and co-workers is the best way to force its hand. The dynamic of the owners' CBA with the players union allows this type of behavior. Once Manny is paid, rest assured that his production, while still prolific, will dip considerably.

Remember... this $25M/year pricetag that Boras is throwing out for a 37-year-old space cadet/hitting prodigy is based largely on his 1.232 OPS over 53 games. Once the motivation for Manny's initial efforts for the Dodgers is removed, you will never see those numbers again, and you will be left with a defensive liability who maxes at 130 games, can't DH, and gets paid $25M per year to platoon, all while trying to counterbalance his crappy defense with a .900-1.000 OPS.

to clarify...Dodgers making this much of an offer was in regards to years not dollars.