Hideki Matsui-Mariners Rumor

i'd love to see this happen, but it won't. why would the m's want matsui and trade rowland-smith? he's a good young lefty with some potential. you gotta keep guys like that around.
i don't think holliday will be traded to the yanks, just not the right fit if ya ask me, but hey, what happens, happens i guess

What about a Andruw Jones for Koskue Fukudome trade the cubs get a center fielder and an exspiring contract while the dodgers get a solid glove man and a potentally better hitter.

"As an A's fan, I say yes, this makes perfect sense."

Oh yeah, it does.

Fine, Zdurenick, pull the trigger.

"What about a Andruw Jones for Koskue Fukudome trade"

This wouldn't help the Dodgers at all. Jones is the better defender, and while he flopped massively this year, he's spending the winter in winter ball hoping to regain his stroke. And if he doesn't pan out, it's only one more year, as opposed to the multi years left with Fukodome.

Yeah this makes no sense...

I heard that Bavasi is at the meetings, as he is working for the Reds. Is he going around and posing the as M's GM and trying to work deals?

I heard that Bavasi is at the meetings, as he is working for the Reds. Is he going around and posing the as M's GM and trying to work deals?

this is why part of me hates this website. 90+% of the "rumors" are just flat out bullshit.

Just flat out ridiculous.

First off, to the guy who said that RRS has reached his peak and so on... The guy is 25 and was just transitioned into a starter this year. What did he do in the 12 starts he was given you ask? Oh, he only posted a 2.74 ERA in 70+ innings.

I do agree that Rowland-Smith does have limited upside in that he can be sporadic with his command and really isn't over powering. But saying he is as good as he's going to get at age 25 and less than half a season of starts to his career is pretty dumb.

Back to my first line... This is the stupidest rumor I've heard this year. Why would the Mariners have ANY interest at all in Matsui? Anyone who says he fits a need for the Mariners should pull their finger out of their nose and quit huffing paint thinner.

jesus christ this is one of the stupidest trades ive heard look at hollidays home road splits.... plus he's a righty in yankees stadium...(new stadium has the same dimentions)......PLUS how is everyone ready to give up cano he had a down year but im not convinced that there is a better choice out there unless the yankees are going to replace him with pedroia or brian roberts........STAY AWAY FROM HOLLIDAY...... focus on TEXIERA SABATHIA and make MUSSINA a one year offer with club option THAT HE CANT REFUSE

IMO this trade is very unlikely. But if it would take place, I would not mind to get rid of Matsui (if he agrees). But then I would stick with the young pitcher. I think that Holiday is a bit overrated. But on the other hand, he is much younger than Damon... Does anybody know if he has a strong arm? In that case we could put him into right field.

RSD...
Where do you get the notion that Matsui is more injury prone? The guy was NEVER hurt until the 07 season. Taking into account his years in Japan, he had the longest active consecutive games played streak, until he hurt his wrist. Yes, he has been hurt recently, but he came back strong each time. Lowell's injury is more recent and teams will wait and see how he heals before taking a chance.

matsui is 34, good job though

I never said the trade had a snowballs chance in hell of happening, like most other rumors, these things are made to sell papers.
However RSD will find something negative to say about any Yankee player. As it was pointed out, Matsui is 34 not 37, but hey, lets not let facts get in the way.
The broken wrist has nothing whatsoever to do with being injury prone, he broke his wrist diving for a ball, his first injury as a professional EVER. He has 2 bad knees, which were repaired. I was not saying he has value or he doesnt, but his value is not any more or less than Lowell's.

Oh and Genisis...Matsui was not an "awful awful contract".

The Mariners have to be among the worst-run franchises in M.L.B. That team should be headed for full-out rebuild. How does Matsui fit with any reasonable strategy for them? I'll consider this to be total B.S. until I'm proven wrong.

>>This is why part of me hates this website. 90+% of the "rumors" are just flat out bullshit.

This is exactly why I come to this site. Look, Tim is not making these rumors up and all his sources are linked - he's simply culling all the rumors into one place. The intention of this site is not to validate. Get used to it; this time of the year is rife with outlandish rumors, misinformation and absolute fantasy league proposals - but that's what makes it so much fun.

Ok people. First of all Matsui's contract is not an awful, awful contract. He has gone down with knee injuries twice before (06 and 08) and the season following the 1st surgery he bounced back, played a full season and put up strong numbers .285/.367/.488 w/ 25 hrs and 103 rbis. Another good thing is that he came back and played the last 2 months of the season, even though he posted poor numbers. All indications is that he'll be ready by spring training. He almost certainly will be a DH exclusively and considering how the Mariner's will not bring back Ibanez and 23 hrs and 100 rbis they need to replace his power. The M's ranked 26th out of 30th in hrs last year with 124. Ibanez represents 20% of those hrs with the majority of the rest coming from Lopez (17) and Beltre (25). That's means that aside from what Ibanez contributed that's almost half of your power rests in those 2 players. Lopez put up the best numbers of his career. Can he replicate that? Beltre is getting older. Can he do that again or better? Picking up Matsui is a risk but may have high rewards. The Yanks would certainly have to pick up some of his salary to make it happen. If he does bounce back and has a strong year like 25 hrs, 100 rbis and a .280/.350 avg at a price like $7 million for a 1 year deal then that's a steal.

I suggested a hook like this w/ the M's a month ago but it was for a couple of Of prospects which is something the Yanks lack in their system.

I hope the second part of the deal isn't true. It bothers me that Cash would think of trading Cano because it goes against this whole youth movement he's been preaching for the last two years. Also, we do need OF's but not for a 1 year rental. Trading Cano, Hughes and Jackson sets us back as far as retooling is concerned and to use them to get anything other than Pitching is stupid. To me i shows that Cash has reverted back to a win now mentality or that he has absolutely no authority as he's insisted. Let's hope it the Holliday trade doesn't happen. There are so many better ways to improve the teams offense if that's a strong concern. I would rather over pay for Tex or Man-NY before disrupting the "movement" and trading any of the three (Cano, Jackson, Kennedy or Hughes).

As a mariner fan I have watched RR-S quite a bit, and believe me you guys are giving too much credit to this guy. He is a flyball pitcher with nothing to get left handed hitters out, he can eat innings but he will never be that good. Meanwhile this offence is down right awful and we have no DH, plus being that we have japanese owners I could see them pulling for this trade just like they pulled for the Johjima extension.

I think the Mariners should trade RRS for Matsui and throw in Ichiro just to be sweethearts! Either that or RRS and Ichiro for matsui, cano, jackson, hughes, chamberlain and any other second rate prospects the Yanks might have. The second one makes a little more sense for the M's, and delusional yankee fans might get confused and figure they've won yet another ridiculous trade proposal.

"Either that or RRS and Ichiro for matsui, cano, jackson, hughes, chamberlain and any other second rate prospects the Yanks might have."

Yeah, maybe they should include more 2nd rate prospects then just Chamberlain, Matsui and Cano.. how about Mo' Rivera, Wang and Arod while they're at it.. because they're all 2nd rate prospects too.

First of all the Yanks wouldn't get a prospect, read the trade! Also, don't dare compare Matsui to Lowell. Lowell is having hip surgery which he might not be able to come back from while Matsui will come back with two knees stronger than before. He is a hard worker and will go .295/33hrs/120+rbis or maybe better if the Yanks sign Teixeira and/or Manny and he has protection all around the lineup.