Perrotto's Latest: Teixeira, Burnett, Wilson

that's not from sunday, it's from wednesday.

Teixeira will not be a yankee. He will be in an Angel or Red Sox uniform next season.

It is interesting that the Angels will effectively "trade up" in the draft like an NFL team does if they sign Burrell and Tex goes to the Yankees. The Phillies would get the Angels' pick, which stands to be the last pick in the non-supplemental phase, while the Angels would get the Yankees pick, which is #26.

As for the Dodgers and Furcal, I still think they are morons on this one. The guy showed he was healthy despite tons of rust in the playoffs. Unless they have some secret medical report that no one else has, there is no reason not to resign him. Then again, we could all eat our words if they really have figured out Hu's vision problem and he cranks 15-20 HR and 40 2B.

Manny Ramirez to the Mets makes perfect sense. Perfect. An OF of Manny/Beltran/Church is hands down one of the best in baseball. Flank the best CF in the game with a first ballot HOF in Manny.

I assume the Rays want MLB ready players for whichever pitcher they deal (most likely Jackson). Ryan Church doesn't hit lefties well enough to fill that need. But, I don't see much of a fit unless its something like Jackson for Ryan Church.

Say it again: Unless the Twins are getting really good value for Young, they shouldn't trade him.

I'd rather see the Brewers target Fuentes, he'll *probably* be cheaper. Or Kerry Wood. I like the Kerry Wood idea.

"The Cubs will need to offer more than Jason Marquis to the Royals for David DeJesus."

LOL wut? You mean, *gasp* the Cubs actually have to give up VALUE to get a productive outfielder locked up at below-market values?

The Reds need to offer more than Homer Bailey to get Dye.

Duh.

Can Burrell even play 1st? Why wouldn't the Angels put Burrell in LF and have Morales play 1st?

"Can Burrell even play 1st? Why wouldn't the Angels put Burrell in LF and have Morales play 1st?"

1B is the least difficult position on the field. I'd think that a LF could play 1B, since it requires less agility and range than LF does. Either way, Burrell should be DHing though. He's a horrible defensive LF, and I don't think he'll be much better at 1B.

I think Brandon Wood for Young would be an interesting trade that could help both teams

"Please tell us your joking about this being one of the best outfield's in baseball "Manny/Beltran/ Church". The only good fielder is Beltran, manny is a bad outfielder. And i have not seen alot of Church."

Actually, Church is a premium defensive RF, one of the best in the NL (although there aren't a ton of good ones). Terrific routes, good speed, and a rocket quick release throwing arm. Its inconsistency with the bat that's held him back at times, but he has the ability to be a very good overall RF, he was arguably the Mets best position player before his second concussion in 2008.

WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH.

I'm certain the Twins would rather dump off Michael Cuddyer over Young, which is still not gonna happen. And I'm also certain that Denard Span has earned himself a spot in the starting lineup. We want to trade one of them so Gomez can get a spot. Span certainly outperformed Gomez last year in many fewer AB's.

Dye is a great hitter who makes all tho routine plays in the outfield. He is a better outfielder than Adam Dunn was so you would definitley see a upgrade. Homer Bailey is garbage.

Wasn't Burrell a 1B in the minors?

The Mets only need to worry about there bullpen and they would win that division every year.

I just hope the Yanks don't increase their offer. CC is not worth more than that.

twinsfan- I agree. If they can eat salary and dump Cuddyer on someone, that would be the ideal move.

Gomez could use a few ABs in AAA. I could see Gomez starting the season off in AAA. His defense is top notch, but his bat needs help.

kab

Admit it! you really like the word mythical, don't you.

Besides does Donald even have ML service time yet? He's worth a lot less than Young.

I don't think the Giants are going to sign Furcal. I think they are waiting for Tigers to decline arbitration then sign Renteria.

I don't think Damon is a bad investment, but a LF who only posts an OPS+ of around 115 simply isn't worth nearly what Damon is making. That's also leaving aside the terrible season he had in 2007. He's definitely valuable and his contract doesn't hamper a team like the Yanks, but if he were on a small to mid market team that contract would be a pretty big burden for return.

XD23 - Yes, Burrell played 1B and OF in the minors. Not sure how he would do playing there now, but it would probably be better than he is in left. Also, this has been mentioned before, but Burrell hates DH. I think it would take a lot (or at least a couple of years) to convince him to DH.

What would the Phillies need to give up for Dye? I'm not crazy about them giving up much to get him at this point.

do you think heilman and carp is enough, not enough, or to much for jackson?

"who in addition to heilman would the mets have to give to get edwin jackson?"

Assuming Murphy is untouchable, Nick Evans makes sense. Heilman + Nick Evans for Jackson.

Damon isn't a bad investment. He just shouldn't be playing CF.

woops, i was a little late on that one

I see the Yankees as being the only team willing to go 10 years, so I think they'll end up with Tex. He is A-Rod "lite".

"What was the asking price for Tex again? 10 years and how much per? I know it was know near Arod 10/250. Wasn't it around 10 years/180-200mil?"

I think it was 10/180-200, but I really doubt he gets that.

I don't think anyone offers 10 years. A-Rod is worth much, much more than Teixeira.

One major unknown for the Mets and the Yanks going into 2009 is how the news stadiums will affect play. If the ball flies out of the park, then you're looking for different kinds of players than you are if the ball doesn't carry.

And how will the dimensions affect defense? In Petco, AT&T and even Coors, the outfields are massive. It's suicidal if you don't have OF who can cover a lot of ground.

These factors won't stop the Yanks from spending whatever the Steinbrenners want, but they may look foolish if they acquire players who fit the old Yankee Stadium and the new one plays like a whole nother ballpark.

Delmon's upside is mythical since he is an opposite field groundball hitting machine with bad defense. It's going to be tough to become a 30HR guy when you have a 2:1 GB:FB ratio (8th highest last year). And I don't think there will be a magic light that goes off in his head to suddenly start hitting FB's which can turn into HR's. He also doesn't like to walk which limits his OBP potential. So you have an average OBP with mediocre power with bad defense. Fantastic upside. Or should i say mythical.

What I see Delmon producing consistently is a .290/.345/.455/.800. And that might be generous.

As far as Jason Donald I think he can put up a .800 OPS while playing SS (compared to LF). Pretty much I think he can hit as well as Delmon while fulfilling the Twins biggest need at SS.

In addition Delmon has 4 yrs until FA while Jason Donald has 7 (assuming he starts the season at AAA).

I could see the Yanks offering him 6/135. I think the days of 10 year contracts are over. The only other guys I can see getting those deals are Pujols when he comes a free agent at age 30 in 2010"

Never going to happen Pujols will never make it to free agency.....and if he does decline a contract extension Mo will more tan likely trade him....6 years at 135-140 range is ridiculous...around 22 million a year?....wow i hate to see what the first basemen in the N.L central would makeon the open market..(Pujols,Lee,Berkman) all 3 of those guys are far superior to Tex...kinda of scary to think about it

"wow i hate to see what the first basemen in the N.L central would makeon the open market..(Pujols,Lee,Berkman) all 3 of those guys are far superior to Tex...kinda of scary to think about it"

Derrick Lee is NOT superior to Teixeira. No way. Teixeira plays better defense and is a superior hitter.

No way Drayton McLane lets Berkman get on the FA market.

Pujols will be scary on the FA market, if he ever gets on it. I don't think Pujols will decline, as long as the Cardinals make a respectable and fair offer and actively try to keep him after the 2010 season.

I think to say (Pujols,Lee,Berkman)are far superior than Tex its kind of a little exaggerated. Pujols is better, but not by far. Lee? I'll rather have Tex and that is if I could have one of them, don't want to hear that Tex will make 20 plus a year and that is why Lee is better. Beckman, they both are really good, but Beckman has a history with getting injured.

Yeah, Tex gets seriously underrated by a lot of people. He ranked 7th in MLB in OBP, 11th in SLG, and 9th in OPS last season, while playing some of the best defense in the league at 1B (The Fielding Bible's voting has him 2nd at 1B). Seriously, people bring up Berkman, but Tex was far better in 2007 and his defense makes their performances in 2008 a virtual wash. Besides Teixeira doesn't turn 29 until early next season and seems likely to produce a 130-160 OPS+ with stellar defense for at least the next 6 or 7 years. That might not be worth his eventual contract, but I think his will probably end up less risky than CC's.

"...but Beckman has a history with getting injured" - DominicanYanks

Ugh. 1st, it's Berkman. 2nd, he has a history of getting hurt? You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find a season where Berkman hasn't played in at least 150 games. For Tex you only have to go back 2007. Infact, Berkman played in 2 more games than Tex last season.

Tex is a fine ballplayer by all means, but Berkman is better. When it boils down to it, Berkman will probably be either the best or 2nd best switch hitter in history. He's just stuck in Houston, which is always passed over in terms of relevance in the NL.

El Hombre:

Several players are already making more than 20 mil ++:

Arod
Miguel Cabrera
Jason GIambi (uggg)

And as for 1B Tes is already better than:

Carlos Lee= 6/100 (18.6 mil per 2009-2012)

Todd Helton (16 per, 19 mil in 2011 and 23 mil in 2012)

Richie Sexon- 15.5 mil in 2008

And he's a better overall player than Soriano (8/135), Vernon Wells (7/126) and (gulp) Derek Jeter (10/189).

Who are the Dodgers offering for Jack Wilson?

Sorry I meant who are the Tigers offering for Jack Wilson?

What would it take for the tigers to get treanor and wilson?
Do they even have what it takes?

upstate wrote:

dominicanyanks,
the points you make are true and i'll retract my end statement.. i would just like to see them save a spot or two for some of the young players.. i had heard talk they might fill ALL the hole with FA...
and i say the same for my BOSOX... i hate when they throw $$ at drews and lugos.. and i love to see the pedroias and lowries get a shot... just my opinion though and probably why no front office is calling me...
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The problem isn't spending big money on free agents. It's spending the wrong amount of money on the wrong free agents that's the problem. Lugo and Drew should not have been signed for the amount of money they were signed for. For all the talk about how bad a signing he was Damon's contract so far (4/52) was much better that JD Drews (5/70). People shouldn't have a problem with signing like Santana and CC's. They SHOULD absolutely have a problem with the contracts given to Zito (7/126), Schmidt (3/47), Silva (4/48) and Padilla (3/34),

YFS78 is right. It's about spending on the RIGHT players.

You shouldn't be spending big on 1-2 win players. You shouldn't be spending on players who haven't shown dominance. If a player's stats have been declining for a few years, you shouldn't sign him.

And, trying to build your team through free agency is stupid stupid. Try to build your team through your farm system and trades, then fill the remaining holes through big-name free agency.

Berkman career OPS - .973
Tex Career OPS - .919

That's a pretty significant difference. I'm not sure how any one can quantify the difference to show that Tex is infact better than Berkman.

People want to bag on Berkman playing only 132 games in 2005 because he hurt his knee in the offseason playing flag football, but Tex played in the same amount of games in 2007 because of strained quad.

Berkman doesn't have crazy home/road splits. His OPS has .002 points diffence split. Tex on the other hand has a pretty big dip on the road (.968 vs .869), which is mainly due to him getting play a large chunk of his games in Arlington.

Tex is a Gold Glove 1st baseman. Lance isn't, but he's pretty good, and vastly under rated. Furthermore, Berkman can go play either outfield corner, where I'm not sure Tex could do that.

Mason: "Little Bear commented on how the Yankees supposedly couldnt outbid the Redsox. He said that they had $35 million of freed up cash. Well here's a news flash for you. The Yankees have over 2 times as much spending money as the Red Sox do. If you want the Red Sox to get in a bidding war with the Yankees they wont win."

Now don't get all apoplectic on me. I said that the Red Sox could more than match Arod's salary (if they felt like it) and that the Yankees would not pay Tex more than Arod.

Yes, of course the Yankees *could* outbid the Red Sox if they wanted to give Tex $50 million per year. They're the Yankees. Of course they could. But they're not going to pay him more than Arod, so that argument is stupid.

Assuming the Red Sox are able to keep Drew healthy for the playoffs (not a problem thus far), I'd take him with his contract over Damon in a heartbeat. Unlike Damon, who has regressed to an average to slightly above average LF, when healthy Drew is still one of the elite RF in the game. Excluding 2007, Drew's lowest OPS+ since 2003 (126) is significantly better than Damon's career best (118). The difference between the two is that Drew's was high-risk/high-reward, while Damon's was medium risk/low reward

The third mystery team is the reds it should be the orioles

Darin,

Do you not understand that what Tex and Berkman have done in the past 4 years is far more relevant to the discussion of who is better right now than their stats from 2000-2004. I'll admit that Berkman was a far better player those 5 years than Teixeira was, but they are pretty even over the past 4 seasons. Considering Tex's age, I think that makes him a better bet over the next few years.

Also, to be clear, I wasn't saying that Tex will end up ahead of Berkman on the list of switch hitters (Berkman will probably have better career numbers), only that Chipper almost certainly will.

As for Arlington being the main reason for Tex's great numbers, maybe you should take a closer look at the numbers before you come to a sweeping conclusion like that. Tex put up his best 1.5 seasons playing his home games in Atlanta 1 season and Anaheim the other half season. Neither or those places is a hitter's park. In fact, Tex's OPS at home last season was 125 points higher than it was on the road. A lot of times people place too much emphasis on home/road splits. Many players simply play better at home than on the road, regardless of whether their home park is hitter or pitcher friendly.

How about one of the following trades-

Reds Get-
Delmon Young

Twins get
A: Encarnacion, Freel, Dorn, cash considerations

B: Encarnacion, Gonzales, Cash

C: Encarnacion, Roeneke, C+ or B- prospect

I think this helps both teams. Encarnacion could easily produce especially since Morneaue and Mauer will be on base quite a bit and he'll be able to drive them in.

Also...are the Reds actually in the Furcal running? he would be perfect..i'm not sure how he fits into our budget...if one of the above trades happened, or Arroyo was dealt...he could be accommodated for.

No, it looks like we're on the right track to getting Blake for 2 or 3 years. So no on Kouz.

btw, I wouldn't trade 4 years of DY for 1 year of Khalil Greene ... Young is way better than Greene.

Like I said above, we don't need a 3B.

And we sure as heck don't need Encarnocion ... YUCK!

Yeah how ridiculous it was of me to call Drew an elite RF. He only posted a .927 OPS when healthy last season. Only Ludwick posted a better number. That's over 30 points better than what Nick Markakis posted last season. Vlad, Eithier, and Dye were all 40+ points worse. Those last 3, along with Ludwick, were all also considered worse defensively than Drew by the Fielding Bible voters.

Seriously, JD Drew has a career OPS of just under .900 as an above average defensive RF. Yeah, he gets hurt a lot, but when healthy there aren't many better at his position.

"You obviously didn't look up any numbers or just made some ridiculous mistake"

My bad, it was a mistake. I'm just hitting the "back" button alot on Baseball-reference while watching Pittsburg destroy New England and keeping up with both my fantasty teams. Lots of numbers flying around.

nixa,

You surely rate 1b defense much more highly that I do. I already agreed that Tex is better than Berkman in that regard, but it's not like Berkman's a butcher around the bag. Infact, he's rated 4th in the Plus/Minus system, behind Tex, Pujols, and Votto. There's a 25 point difference in Tex and Berkman's OPS and 8 points in OPS+, I'm not sure there's a big enough drop off in fielding ability between the two at arguably the least important defensive position, to justify that difference in production.

Obviously we are going to keep running around in cirlces here, so I'm going to bow out of this once you've said your part.