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Cashman Flies To See Pettitte
Why did Yankees GM Brian Cashman jet off yet again this morning? Joel Sherman and George King of the New York Post have the answer.
Cashman headed to Texas to talk to Andy Pettitte. Cashman will offer Pettitte his last rotation spot for $10MM, and move on if he's not interested.
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AP will be back...1 year $12MM I'll say...
Posted by: KG2577 | December 11, 2008 at 03:08 PM
I hope Andy accepts! I would love for him to be the Opening Day starter at New Yankee Stadium!
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Stop Cashman, you're making a mistake. Give Hughes another shot at the 5th spot. We don't need Pettitte. The guy didn't have a good season last year, and he's getting older. They need some new faces on the Yankees, desperately.
Posted by: Spieg7 | December 11, 2008 at 03:08 PM
If this is anything like the Sabathia trip, he'll offer Pettitte $18MM.
Posted by: UtleyFan | December 11, 2008 at 03:09 PM
CK, are you kidding me? We just sign Sabathia, but Pettitte starts on opening day?
LOL.
Serioulsy though, No to Andy. He was horrid the entire second half last year.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 11, 2008 at 03:11 PM
Hughes will be the first to be called up for a spot if/when someone goes down. He needs to work on his game in the minors, which is where he should have been the entire 2008 season.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:12 PM
Yes I am serious. I would let Andy who won the Yankees four world series rings be the opening day starter for the opening of the new stadium versus someone who hasn't proven anything yet as a Yankee.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:13 PM
"If this is anything like the Sabathia trip, he'll offer Pettitte $18MM."
Actually that is not true, the Sabathia trip got him an extra year, and actually a tinnnnnnnny less rate, 6 year/140 mil is more money yearly than 7/160
I say give him a 1 year, and maybe an option for a 2nd
If they get Pettitte back, then they won't get both Burnett and Lowe (hopefully neither). I prefer Pettitte/Sheets over Burnett/Lowe (based on the contract offers)
Posted by: mike923 | December 11, 2008 at 03:13 PM
"
CK, are you kidding me? We just sign Sabathia, but Pettitte starts on opening day?
LOL.
Serioulsy though, No to Andy. He was horrid the entire second half last year."
He said opening day at the New Yankee Stadium. The Yankees don't open the season at the New Yankee Stadium
Posted by: mike923 | December 11, 2008 at 03:14 PM
for everything andy has done for the organization he deserves this treatment. he also deserves the right to reject the offer if he feels taking a $6M paycut is not fair. if that's the case, it will be unfortunate considering he did not have the best year in 2008. andy played the "i might retire" game last year and got $16M for his services. the yankees are in a much better position in 2009 due to the depth of talent available on the market. for Pettitte to squabble over dollars means that simply all that matters to him is getting the best deal possible, and not some form of silly devotion to the Yankees ownership.
Posted by: jaydestro | December 11, 2008 at 03:17 PM
How is it Cashman is flying around the country and feels the need to take a shot at how the Sox did the same for Matzusaka (ONE PLAYER!) Plus, Pettite wouldn't be the Opening Day Starter....it's all C.C.'s now. He's the ace.
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 03:18 PM
Nonetheless, you get his point. Andy should not be starting the first game of the season, and if he ends up starting the first game at Yankee stadium, so be it. But this is not the past...we should be focusing on now. Who is the best now? CC.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 11, 2008 at 03:20 PM
"Yes I am serious. I would let Andy who won the Yankees four world series rings be the opening day starter for the opening of the new stadium versus someone who hasn't proven anything yet as a Yankee."
Maybe we could sign Brosius to a 1 day contract to start at 3B as well.
Posted by: Not Joe Morgan | December 11, 2008 at 03:21 PM
turnthe2 and NJM seem to get it...
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 11, 2008 at 03:21 PM
"Yes I am serious. I would let Andy who won the Yankees four world series rings be the opening day starter for the opening of the new stadium versus someone who hasn't proven anything yet as a Yankee."
C.K., why don't you bring back Paul O'Neil to play right field then too? and Tino Martinez? They helped win those rings as well......
Wait until the Old-Timers game, then let Pettite start....
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
as a yankees fan, i am pretty sure knowing the sentimental ways of the team, they would do the most they could to get andy on the hill for the home opener. assuming he's on track to do so.
Posted by: jaydestro | December 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
turnthe2-
because Cashman isn't flying on a private jet.
Posted by: Zig | December 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
NJM.......beat me there....
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Obviously B3NG4L you did not get my point. I am not going to bother typing it out for a third time.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Question to those that think he shouldnt have to take a pay cut and want him back...
If Andy NEVER pitched for the Yanks, NEVER got us to the WS, NEVER won a game for us and you heard that Cash was going to give a guy that is 36, who admittedly has elbow trouble and whos stats last year were 14-14, with an ERA of 4.54 SIXTEEN MILLION DOLLARS, would you be happy?
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 03:24 PM
Andy is still a quality starter, I think he is still capable of 200 IP and being a 5th starter you can slot for a year and allow Hughes to get a full healthy year in AAA.
There is no more reasoning behind rushing Hughes, give him time to develop and bring him in to the rotation in 2010.
Posted by: jaydestro | December 11, 2008 at 03:24 PM
I do. You think Pettitte should get the start because he has done more for the orginization - so? He is not very good anymore.
Luis Sojo! Our backup infielder next year? Give him a couple mil, would be a good deal!
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 11, 2008 at 03:24 PM
^Very good post YankeeGirl, nice to see more Yankee fans who seem to understand this isn't based on the past..
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 11, 2008 at 03:25 PM
But yes, he should absolutely take a pay cut. He is a good pitcher, but he is a back end of the rotation guy now.
Posted by: jaydestro | December 11, 2008 at 03:25 PM
yankeegirl49
It depends on if he had done all those things with another club. Derek Lowe is around the same age, and has done far less yet there are a ton of Yankees fans who keep talking about signing him to an even more expensive, longer deal.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:26 PM
If Pettitte signs, I imagine that the last spot goes to whoever signs first out of Lowe, Burnett, and Sheets. I like Pettitte getting back because of the short-term commitment. I would prefer Sheets over the other two guys for the same reason (assuming his medicals look ok, a big if). 2-3 years of Sheets>5 years of Burnett or 4 years of a late-30's Lowe. I could see Pettitte and Lowe having comparable success next season assuming Pettitte is healthy.
Posted by: Eric | December 11, 2008 at 03:27 PM
I think B3NG4L gets it....
C.K. You're living in the past. This is why teams are ok with letting the past stay behind. It doesn't always help you know....Yankees fans cry out "26 Rings!" everytime a Sox fan mentions having won the Championship two times in the last 4 years....it's the past.
Andy is a good pitcher, but if the other team on Opening Day was the Sox and they ran out their #1 pitcher, the ace, why would the Yanks run out a number 2-3 pitcher?
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 03:27 PM
I think the $10M they offered is a "friend" offer based on his place with the organization. If he were to sign with any other team he would be closer to a 7 - 8 million dollar guy. But the fact of the matter is, throughout all of the negotiating with all of the other free agents, he has been patient and waited for the Yankees.
Posted by: jaydestro | December 11, 2008 at 03:28 PM
For those who are misunderstanding what I said/ment...
The Yankees do NOT open their season at home. CC will be the SEASON opener starting pitcher. I would like for Andy to be the HOME Opener starting pitcher, so long as it doesn't take away from a CC Sabathia start in the rotation schedule.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:30 PM
Derek Lowe has better recent stats (yes I know NL) and has NEVER been on the DL in his entire career.
Look, I am a HUGE Andy Pettitte fan. I love what he did for us and if it was Andy of 1998 I'd be giving him whatever he wanted. This is Andy of 2008, might be a good back end of the rotation guy, but sorry, if he really wants to finish a Yankee at the new stadium, he needs to realize that and take a pay cut. Im not saying 10, but maybe he can negotiate to 12.
I really dont care about the money, but the Yanks apparently put a value on him and are sticking to it.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 03:30 PM
He definitely should take a pay cut, and does not deserve a 16 million dollar salary. But I would take a 1 year shot with him versus a multi year deal with Lowe.
Posted by: C.K. | December 11, 2008 at 03:31 PM
C.K.
Im not sure its an either/or.
Yanks sign one of Lowe, Burnett and Sheets, Pettitte is offered the last spot, at a pay cut for one year. I have no problem with that rotation, but to pretend Pettitte is anything but what he really is at this point in his career is wishful thinking.
I was at a good number of his 2nd half starts last year and some were downright horrific. It got tiresome seeing him give up lead after lead.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Andy had a bad second half...
CC had a bad first half....
Why does one deserve a raise and the other a cut?
Posted by: Xycosis | December 11, 2008 at 03:38 PM
I'm with C.K. the Yankees will set up the rotation so that Pettitte is the starter for the first game at New Yankee Stadium (keep in mind the Yankees start the year on the road!).
Andy Pettitte is my favorite pitcher, period, but, that said, he was horrid in the second half last year and that performance really doesn't merit the same salary as '07 and '08. I think it'll end up being 1 year 13 million...
Posted by: BWOzar | December 11, 2008 at 03:39 PM
If that answers not obvious then there is no saving you.
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 11, 2008 at 03:40 PM
Xyc...
Because CC is in the prime of his career and Andy is on the downside.
Because CC is healthy and Andy has had arm issues for a while now.
Because CC is part of the future and Andy is part of the past.
Because CC is an ace and Andy is now a 4 or 5.
Because CC's first half wasnt nearly as bad as Andy's second.
Need I continue...
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Of course, with unlimited money in hand, you can go, fly and see everyone. This is just a courtesy meeting before Cashman can loudly say "sayanara" to AP. He won't be burdened with the guilt of not offering one of NY's icon.
Who cares if AP accepts the minimal offer that NY is gonna give him, if he 's not gonna accept it. Cashman can just fly and go see another pitcher and BUY him over.
Only if Bill Gate is in baseball. He could have BOUGHT an all stars team.
Go Money Go!
Posted by: Stevie | December 11, 2008 at 03:45 PM
Stevie, jealous much?
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 11, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Steve, Bill Gates is in baseball..he goes by the name New York Yankees.
Life is good!
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 03:48 PM
I'm honeslty curious as to what fans of other teams think the yankees should do with all the money they make? Should they just sit on it and make the steinbrenners even more rich? Should they give it all away?
Can anybody answer this?
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 11, 2008 at 03:49 PM
The point that Lowe has NEVER been on the DL and has NEVER implied to have cheated on the game makes me as a G.M. to any team want Lowe over AP.
Andy doesn't want to take a paycut from $16 mil yet he has the above strikes against his reputation as a ball player and person, and Lowe is looking for what? $18mil? I give the keys to the city to Mr. Lowe.
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 04:01 PM
...and BOY are his arms tired!
Posted by: nostocksjustbonds | December 11, 2008 at 04:06 PM
I'm torn about Pettite coming back. I like him personally and think he would make a good #5 starter but part of me would like the Yanks to get Sheets as well if Burnett signs.
CC
Burnett/Lowe
Wang
Joba
Pettite or Sheets
I also feel HUghes needs to be in the picture. Could he be kept on the staff as a spot starter/long relief guy?
I think he could get 80 to 100 innings that way. Maybe that will help transition into the limelight of pitching in the bigs. And then in 2010 he can replace Pettite as the #5.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 11, 2008 at 04:06 PM
Folks, I'm a Red Sox fan, but I'm not hear to start a flame war. I actually respect The Rivalry - never been into the petty "Yankees suck" stuff.
Anyways, as an outsider, I think that it's b.s. that Pettitte is playing hardball with the Yanks. I always thought Pettitte was a classy guy, but he seems pretty beholden to the almight dollar for a man who should be grateful that the Yanks stood by him during the Mitchell Report.
I'll put it to you this way, John Beckett signed a below market extension for $10 million/year. Now, that was BELOW market, but is Pettitte really worth $10 million-plus? Should the Yankees have to pay that? Will he be that much better than, say, Paul Byrd at $5 million or Ian Kennedy?
Posted by: elguapo | December 11, 2008 at 04:06 PM
A part of me is actually really hoping AP rejects it and the yankees move on as i would rather see them sign ben sheets to add to the rotation rather than pettite. I know Andy is the safer bet and as a Yankee fan i will forever be thankful for all he's done for the yanks, i just think from a business stand point, If you sign Sheets and he stays healthy you have another ace in the rotation and even if he gets hurt, you could always call up hughes instead of putting up with another mediocre year from pettite.
Posted by: money941 | December 11, 2008 at 04:07 PM
anyone else find it fitting that the Yanks' GM is named "Cash-Man"?
Posted by: nostocksjustbonds | December 11, 2008 at 04:07 PM
money941- I'm with you. its just too bad we wouldnt get any picks if he signs somewhere else. Although if we offered him arbitration he most surely would have accepted and wound up making 1 or 18 million... oh well.
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 11, 2008 at 04:10 PM
*17 or 18
Posted by: Casanova Wong | December 11, 2008 at 04:11 PM
turnthe2,
I think you may be a fellow BoSox fan, but I'm sure you'll recall that DLowe wan't considered the picture of perfection at the end of his Sox days. The word was that he was partying too hard and chasing too may skirts. Even he acknowledges that the grew up in LA. Anyway, as much as I think Pettitte owes the Yankees something for their loyalty, I'm not sure that I'd hand over the keys of the city to Derek. He's durable and he appears to have matured as a person and a pitcher, but I'd rather have Pettitte on a one year deal than sign another long-term deal with an SP. As it is, I think the Yankees took on too much risk with CC, whose body would scare the heck out of me. I know David Wells pitched respectably with a bad body, but can someone be GREAT with that weight long term? Anyways, I think Pettitte, on a reasonable deal, probably makes sense for the Yanks.
Posted by: elguapo | December 11, 2008 at 04:14 PM
As for the whole Pettitte vs. Sheets thing, I still think you go with Pettitte. He put up 200 innings last year. If you sign Burnett, you need him as a 5th starter. Would you rather have a healthy Sheets than a healthy Pettitte at this stage? Of course. But who is more likely to show up next year? Sheets hasn't thrown 200+ innings since 2004. Pettitte has thrown 200+ innings EVERY season since 2004. That's huge.
Posted by: elguapo | December 11, 2008 at 04:18 PM
elguapo,
He has proven his durability in his mid-30's....how many pitchers do that?
Sure he partied hard, didn't he go to a bar immeaditely after a game and tore it up? The only reason to live is to have fun. He may have gone overboard a few times but obviously he tunred it around.
I think I would take a guy who parties too much over a known cheater. Look at the Babe and Boomer. Boomer claims to have been hungover when he threw his perfect game....he wasn't on steroids (as far as we know).
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Sheets threw 198 last season. Id rather have 198 very good innings vs 200+ mediocre innings. Yes, Sheets is a risk, but so is Pettitte at this point in his career and after what we saw last season.
If you are telling me I can take a chance on Sheets for 2/24 or Andy at 1/16, Ill take Sheets. If youre telling me I can have Andy for 1/10 or Sheets 2/24, Ill take Andy.
The reason being is that I still beleive Hughes will be a good ML pitcher but he needs another year of work, but you dont pay a guy based upon what he did for you in the past, you pay him on what you think he can do for you in the future.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 04:25 PM
Plus Wells rarely walked anyone. He may have not been able to go as far into a game every start as before (probably due to weight issues) but that kept his pitch count down and caused him to throw almost 3500 IP in his career.
Posted by: turnthe2 | December 11, 2008 at 04:28 PM
C.K.: "I hope Andy accepts! I would love for him to be the Opening Day starter at New Yankee Stadium!"
This makes sense, actually. If Andy were the #5 starter, his turn would be up to open at the new stadium after nine road games.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 11, 2008 at 04:32 PM
With off days he would not be, CC would be on track if he started the season opener on the road.
I also think Andy will be #4, Joba is supposed to be #5 so they can skip him at some point on off days and keep his innings down.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 04:35 PM
yankeegirl49: "I also think Andy will be #4, Joba is supposed to be #5 so they can skip him at some point on off days and keep his innings down."
I think they will be more concerned with keeping Joba's innings down than Pettitte's. Not sure how that would go (Joba or Pettitte as #5).
From a PR point of view, it might be best to have CC start the second game at the stadium. The media will already be insane for the first game. They can make it two in a row, since the opening series is against Cleveland.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 11, 2008 at 04:44 PM
yankeegirl49: D'oh! I read your comment backward. You said Joba is already slotted for #5.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 11, 2008 at 04:46 PM
Thats what Im saying..Joba would be #5 to keep his innings down.
I agree with what you say about the first game, but you can be sure the Yanks are going to trot their prized 161 million dollar FA out there.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 11, 2008 at 04:49 PM
yankeegirl,
I agree with you 100%, but I don't think Sheets will sign for 2/24 and I think the Yanks can get Pettitte for 1/10-12. So, with those assumptions, I think we are on the same page.
turnthe2,
I love you, man, but I would still take Andy Pettitte for one year at $10-12 million than risk signing a soon-to-be-36 pitcher, even a durabale one, to a 4-year deal at an annual salary of $16 million. I think their AL-weighted performances will be similar in '09 and I would not want DLowe's contract on 2011 and 2012. If I could have either of them for the same salary next year or could get DLowe on a two year deal, I'd take DLowe, but that isn't going to happen.
As for the steriod stuff, it is irrelevant to me. Pettitte cam clean. In my mind, it is only a factor in as much as I think he owes the Yankees more than haggling for every last dollar given the way the handled the matter.
Posted by: elguapo | December 11, 2008 at 05:57 PM