Khalil Greene Traded To St. Louis

I really hope its the Orioles. I think he would hit well here and show great defense.

Yay. maybe Gonzales can be moved next...

I'm telling you guys, Khalil Greene, if he goes to a better hitting environment, will be the steal of the winter. Book it, that's a guarantee. The guy is going to be great.

Sorry, not a big fan of a guy that gets an out more than 7 out of every 10 times at the plate.

"holy crap" prediction?

kansas city

Who plays SS in San Diego if Greene moves?

As a Padres fan, if this means we will not forced to trade Peavy at a below value rate I am happy, it saved 6.5 million off the payroll. Besides moving out of petco will help him. Plus he was a black hole in our lineup last year, and Sean Kazmir is a plus defender, so if he hits its a bonus, and he costs a mere 400k.

Of the Wilson/OC/Lugo and Rent-a Wreck as expensive SS being floated around, this guy is tops for the cash and it's only going to cost 1 year and maybe Angelos can even get him to sign even? O's should be able to get him for a VERY marginal "B" prospect anyway.

Smart move O's

I hope the Orioles get greene especially if the padres want a player less than garrett olson.

If not, the O's should sign cesar izturis to around a 2 year deal and get a shortstop (Ryan Jackson?)with the 4th pick in this years draft. Then, in about 2.5 to 3 years, the young SS will be ready for the bigs.

That would make a good nucleus with markakis, wieters, arrieta, tillman and adam jones

My guess: Twins, for nothing significant. Salary dump.

The Orioles should probably be looking for more long-term building blocks for the team to compliment Markakis, Jones, Wieters & Co. in the coming years. instead of acquiring a guy that posted a 64 OPS+ last season. I think Greene played a little bit over his head during his rookie season - definitely his best year despite the gaudy "counting stats" he posted in 2007 - and has been a little bit overrated ever since.

On the other hand, if the price is right, what's there to lose?

And then Greene becomes a servicable hitter. At least he plays good defense, which helps that young staff.

Fearless prediction is Cincinatti for not much.

Anyone think the Tribe could be in on this?

Barfield, Gut/or Francisco, and a throw in like Mastny?

Move Peralta to 3B and Keep Asdrubal at 2B, now that's some defense up the middle!

Redbirdfan

A .300 OBP is not good. You know that right?

"Sorry, not a big fan of a guy that gets an out more than 7 out of every 10 times at the plate."

thats not what he means. 7 of 10 means you have a 300 OBP, not batting average.

you can settle for a .300 OBP when you play great defense and have the potential to hit 25+ HR's in the most pitcher friendly park in baseball. If he goes to the O's he will hit .270 with 30 HR's.

"Who plays SS in San Diego if Greene moves? -RWS

Yay. maybe Gonzales can be moved next... -GmblngPtchr20"
GmblngPtchr20,
let me get this straight Adrian Gonzalez is never going to be traded absoulty not 0% chance to trade Adrian Kevin Towers and Sandy Alderson told reporter that Adrian is untouchable and will not be traded
RWS,
if Khalil Greene is traded the guy who will take over the shortstop position is one of the guys in the Jake Peavy deal or a free agent shortstop or a second baseman that can play shortstop

In Greene's defense, he's always done most of his damage on the road - he posted a .841 road OPS in 2007 - so some of you might be on to something when you say a move to Camden could make a big difference.

How come I get the feeling Theo Epstein ties with San Diego and the way he likes dealing with shortstops might be in on this. I hope not.

"Anyone think the Tribe could be in on this?

Barfield, Gut/or Francisco, and a throw in like Mastny?

Move Peralta to 3B and Keep Asdrubal at 2B, now that's some defense up the middle!"

No way. I'd love to have Khalil Greene but giving up both Barfield and either Gut or Francisco is too much for a year of Greene. I'd do Barfield for him, that's about it. Doubt the Padres would bite.

Yanks09, no you can't live with a .300 OBP just because you play decent defense (not great) and have some power. In fact, the guys who study this kind of stuff indicate that it would take 50+ homers to make up for not getting on base. And he didn't even have power last year. He sucks, face it.

Nice job by the cards. Its a deal that cant really hurt them as long as they didnt give up anyone important. Odds are Greene with be a type A free agent and they net 2 draft picks.

I won't believe it until someone besides the New York Post reports it.

I don't see Greene being a type A. He did just come off a .212 season.

"St. Louis upgrades SS"
Not if Greene doesn't improve what he did in 2008. Cesar Izturis actually outplayed Greene last season... And Greene was MUCH worse on the road last season than at Petco...

Could one of them be Francisco Samuel? Saw him in person a lot last year and he has electric stuff.

I think Worrell would be a good fit for the Pads, he really hasn't been given a fair chance in St. Louis.

If the deal is with the Cards and it's for two relief prospects, I'm almost certain that one would have to be major league-ready and the other a lower-level prospect with a high ceiling. So Worrell and Samuel would make sense.

Thank goodness its not the orioles. The only way I'd want him is if we gave up Brendan Fahey or other crap like that

i think this could turn out to be a great deal for the cards. the cards have tons of relievers in the minors at this point, so thats not really a loss. greene comes cheaper than edgar or furcal and if he can regain any of his form he should be a steal

The Cards bullpen is already set for next season...the two relievers are probably two of I think it will be 2 of Gregerson/Salas/Samuel/Perdomo/Worrell. In other words, minor league relievers who are blocked by the young bullpen anyways. The Cards bullpen for next season will be Perez, Motte, Kinney, McClellan, Miller, Franklin, and another LOOGY. That is a major upgrade from the Izzy, Villone, Flores of last season.

"Greene is an upgrade over Izturis."
Again, last year he wasn't.

Busch is not a hitter's park. Greene had a sub- .600 OPS last season. If the Cardinals are giving up anything of value then it's a bad move for them.

Rollingdeuce...I don't think they will try to add another veteran arm. They did let Springer go, which makes me believe they're content with what they have from the right side. Maybe another left handed RP, say Arthur Rhodes,...but no one like K-Rod.

As a Jays fan this troubles me. I've coveted Greene for over a year now and if the price is THAT low I'm going to be pretty busted up about not bettering it.

Anyone who thinks Greene isn't a good hitter needs to check his career road numbers.

am i the only one thinking padre will be looking to talk to braves again after this deal? Make sense for them to accept the Braves package now since Braves got another starter, and they need a SS which Braves have.

I agree that the Padres will probably try to revisit talks with the Braves, however the Braves might not be willing to part with Escobar now that they have Javy V and especially if they go 5 years for Burnett because they wouldn't have enough money left to sign a free agent SS and a power hitting left fielder. Also after trading Lillibrige they really don't have a capable in-house replacement at SS. Though i have to admit that a rotation of Peavy, Burnett, Javy V, Jurrjens, and Campillo/Hanson would be very enticing

"Do you ever sleep Tim?"

Lol, I was thinking the exact samething. Maybe there are two Tims?

If what the SD Tribune is reporting is indeed true, then that is exactly what the Padres should have done; Not traded off one of the top 10 starters in the game for a couple of fair prospects at best for salary relief,when now they can hold onto him and get maximum in return from a contender (hello Yankees,Dodger, Phillies)come the 7/31 non waiver trade deadline. Kevin towers has once again shown Frank Wren and others whom were trying to steal Peavy that he will not be toyed in this deal.

Whom would you rather give away for a mediocre player for salary relief if you only needed to clear a certain amount, Greene, or Peavy?

Once Peavy's salary is cleared come the 7/31 deadline (or earlier if someone ponies up now that it is clear that he is no longer bound to move him) Towers may be able to give Gonzalez a long term contract and tie him up for the foreseeable future also.

You know, as a Padres fan, I never got the fan hype about Khalil. But I will say this: he's a much better player than numbers show.

Khalil is a momentum hitter. He'll go on spells where he hits EVERYTHING. Then he'll lose his touch because he tweaked his swing, and goes 0-23. I really think it's a confidence thing. Petco didn't help here. He puts too much pressure on himself to hit HRs. With the right hitting coach, he can hit .280 if he puts his mind to it.

Khalil's defense is top 5 in baseball. He's turned plays that leave you wondering how he's done it. His power is no joke (27 HRs in Petco is impressive) and he has a tendency to come up with big hits. In the right lineup, he can be scary, and I do believe SD failed him by surrounding him with low-OBP players.

Downsides are that he takes big swings, andf often misses, especially on anything low and outside. Very much a fastball hitter, doesn't like sliders or curves going away from him. Doesn't like to go the other way.

My biggest problem with him were his freak injuries; he's not really an injury risk if he takes care of himself. He just punches lockers, slides hands first into bases, and in general is really careless, with leads to stupid injuries. I also never liked his character/attitude: he shows no emotion, he's almost robot-like. He just doesn't really look like a nice guy.

This guy can be an outstanding player, but he needs to get his head straight. Maybe a change of scenery will do him good. I truly believe we're losing a good player. I also believe that the team may be better off without him, and he may be happier elswhere.

kesexe,
If he really wants to compete he will realize that it will not happen during his tenure in SD. So he would become more open to other places to play more then likely. But I like this trade simply cause it gives the Padres more leverage in dealing Peavy if they so wish.

I agree with johns on this one.

Waiting till the trade deadline, when someone will NEED a starter, would be the best way to get a massive haul for Peavy.

And, Towers gains some leverage with Peavy and his NTC when the Padres aren't competing next year and every team Peavy is being shopped to has made it through over half the season as a contender.

It's supply and demand. When demand is high, teams will overpay.

you do understand that he has a variable NTC and does not want to go to the red sox, Little Bear?

"you do understand that he has a variable NTC and does not want to go to the red sox, Little Bear?"

I believe he was joking, especially when you look at exactly what he offered.

I agree with johns and rex. This isn't like trading Santana, the Pads don't have a huge panic button to trade him. If the deals that have been offered are real... they really are attempting to take advantage of Towers.

If Peavy is afraid to pitch in the AL East, I can understand that. But assuming that could be overcome ...

Yes, it was a serious proposal (as a starting point for negotiations, of course). It addresses the following Padres needs:
- Shortstop to replace Greene
- Young, cheap pitching
- Bats with some pop in them
- Moores' need to reduce payroll

As long as Greene hasn't truly regressed to the 64 OPS+ player he was last year, this is a solid move for the Cards. Not great, but solid. Even if he doesn't hit, he will play some defense. I wonder if he and Tony will get along though...doesn't seem like Tony's type of guy.

As long as Greene hasn't truly regressed to the 64 OPS+ player he was last year, this is a solid move for the Cards. Not great, but solid. Even if he doesn't hit, he will play some defense. I wonder if he and Tony will get along though...doesn't seem like Tony's type of guy.

Posted by: Aduncaroo | December 04, 2008 at 09:49 AM

Just as long as he doesnt order any pizza's in class :)

Hope at least some people got that.

"Just as long as he doesnt order any pizza's in class :)"

He does look just like him...

jfish26101: "hahahahahaha

That was a serious offer? Lugo and 2 AAAA players to begin negotiations for an ace SP?"

Ah, not doubt when dealing from a position of strength you prefer to open the discussion by giving away the farm.

"Greene will cost the Cardinals organization two pitchers, neither of whom was on the major-league roster at the end of last season."
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I like that bit in Strauss's article, that means neither Perez or Motte are apart of this deal!