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Winter Meetings Previews

By Tim Dierkes [December 7, 2008 at 6:28pm CST]

We've added a few new Winter Meetings preview to the collection...

Yahoo's Tim Brown runs through plans for all of the American and National League teams.
Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post says the Rockies are all about left-handed relief help. They've got several trade chips to work with.
Jim Salisbury of the Philadelphia Inquirer has the Phillies covered. You know the plan: starting pitcher, outfielder.
Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reminds us of the Cardinals' wish list: starter, closer, lefthanded reliever. Arthur Rhodes would fit, but he's leaning toward the Reds. Strauss wonders if John Mozeliak can match up with the Blue Jays to find relief help.
The Twins still want to add a shortstop or third baseman according to La Velle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune, though several options have already been eliminated. Neal summarizes the players on the radar. The Twins are also looking for bullpen help.
Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune discusses the Padres. Kevin Towers will keep the Jake Peavy talks going with the Cubs while also searching for a shortstop and veteran catcher.
Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune reminds us that Peavy and a left-handed hitting outfielder are on the Cubs' wish list. The bat comes first, says Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times.
Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star says Dayton Moore has already accomplished his main goals, and now looks to replenish his right-handed relief. The Royals would also like to add a proven middle infielder and seem to have a glut of corner/DH types.
Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic and Jack Magruder of the East Valley Tribune analyze the Diamondbacks. Josh Byrnes seeks a second baseman, left-handed reliever, and pitching in general. Miguel Montero is the top trade chip. They have about $10MM to spend, less if Brandon Lyon accepts arbitration.
Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News says the Rangers could trade Gerald Laird, Hank Blalock, Kevin Millwood, or Vicente Padilla.
Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel talked to Doug Melvin about C.C. Sabathia, who still hasn't reacted to their offer. If Sabathia and Ben Sheets leave, Melvin could add two starters. Melvin also said it'd be too risky to trade J.J. Hardy and start Alcides Escobar at short. Rickie Weeks has drawn interest, but Melvin would require "a pretty good hitter" in return. Mike Cameron is a more likely trade chip. As for the team's closer search, Melvin doesn't expect to be in on the big names.
Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post says the Marlins probably won't steal headlines at these Winter Meetings as they did in '07. Still, Jorge Cantu, Matt Treanor, and Jeremy Hermida may be dealt. The Fish have been "actively shopping" Treanor and Hermida. The Marlins have mild interest in free agents Ivan Rodriguez and Carl Pavano.
Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune says Ken Williams has asked the Reds about Homer Bailey. Could the Reds match up for Jermaine Dye? The White Sox hope to add more MLB-ready starting pitching and maybe a backup catcher.
The Orioles need starting pitching, with a slew of names under consideration according to Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun: A.J. Burnett, Paul Byrd, Jon Garland, Mark Hendrickson, Braden Looper, Randy Wolf, Kenshin Kawakami, Koji Uehara, Bartolo Colon, and Matt Clement. The O's also hope to extend Brian Roberts, trade Ramon Hernandez, and find a shortstop. They have interest in Adam Everett.
Roch Kubatko of MASN Online explains what it's like for a reporter at the Meetings.

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Cubs' Cedeno might be on the way out of Chicago to go to the Padres!!!

Posted by: cubs land | December 07, 2008 at 01:04 AM

I think Dye is on his way out after trading Javy, leaving us with 3 starters. I think the deal will look somewhere along the lines of;

Dye
Lillibridge

for:
Baily
Dickerson

This gives us a much needed SP prospect along with another much needed OF prospect. No matter what happens, with or without a Dye trade, another trade is going to happen making this a very exciting off-season for the White Sox

Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | December 07, 2008 at 01:38 AM

I know it's a stretch but could Cedeno be a Twins trade chip?

Posted by: twinsfan | December 07, 2008 at 01:38 AM

"Cubs' Cedeno might be on the way out of Chicago to go to the Padres!!!"

Im sure Pads fans are just dying to get a hold of him, i mean they should just trade peavy right now. they're getting ronny cedeno! wow the idiocy that is cubs land

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 01:41 AM

Tim,

I'm not sure if your sources have to be confidential but can you tell me the site you got this information from? I'm having a hard time finding a reliable site for Winter Meetings rumors. Your response will be much appreciated.

Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | December 07, 2008 at 01:41 AM

why the reds would be looking to add dye is beyond me, if they havent figured it out they need all the pitching they can get. yeah dye would be an improvement for them but he's not a long term solution and theyre not gonna win the short term

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 01:43 AM

Ok never mind Tim, i didnt see this was from numerous sites.

Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | December 07, 2008 at 01:43 AM

''I know it's a stretch but could Cedeno be a Twins trade chip?''

you dont want him, a good defensive SS but has no power or any hitting stats worth mentioning

Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | December 07, 2008 at 01:45 AM

I agree with soxkilla about the Dye trade but I would like to see the sox try to add another starting pitcher during the winter meetings. perhaps Escobar from the Angels or even Cain from the Giants.

Posted by: DYEhardSOXfan | December 07, 2008 at 01:49 AM

Cain isnt getting traded unless sabathia is a giant which isnt happening

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 02:12 AM

im no good with predicting trades but i would sh*t bricks if the dodgers acquired cantu.

who would be involved in a trade like that?

Posted by: ad22 | December 07, 2008 at 03:49 AM

Bailey and Cumberland for Dye

Encarnacion, Dickerson, and one of Dorn/Roenicke, Thompson, Malony

for

Sanchez and Winn

That would make the Reds have--

Harang
Volquez
Arroyo
Sanchez
Cueto

Winn CF
Keppinger 3B
Votto 1B
Dye RF
Bruce LF
Phillips 2B
A-Gon SS
Hanigan/Zaun (i hope) C

Thats a pretty good team...hopefully Valkia or Fraizer can win the shortstop job...or maybe Arroyo for Escobar of the Brewers?....but that would be tough...

Posted by: GmblngPtchr20 | December 07, 2008 at 04:33 AM

Sorry ChisoxKilla, I actually agree with Twins fan. I feel that Cedeno could go to the Twins. Watchign the them as I have for the past 9 years I think the Twins give up hitting at SS for above average defense. I believe that they do match up pretty well. Maybe Cedeno for Jason Kubel? As a Cubs fan I would prefer Span but I dont think we have enough to make that happen and also make a play for Peavy. Though the Cubs are pretty deep at SS prospects. Maybe one of them included to the Padres and Cedeno to the Twins. Since it looks like the Padres are playing for 2010 no '09. How about Short Stops Ryan Flaherty or Hak-Ju Lee to the Pads instead of Cedeno.

I also expect the Twins to make a move for Blalock. I dont know what the Twins would move back but I see this happening. I think Hank would do well with Gardy and that team.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 06:32 AM

hey Bravesland just try to get into the playoffs this year..thanks otherwise dont talk sh**

Posted by: cubs land | December 07, 2008 at 06:57 AM

another cubs fan talking sh$# because they know, deep down, that they aren't getting peavy.

with Greene now a Cardinal, that means the Padres need a GOOD, young, CHEAP SS more than ever.

say hello to Escobar.

Escobar/G. Hernandez/Morton is probably better than anything the Cubs have offered...and UNLESS the Cubs are throwing in Vitters, they're not getting Peavy.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses | December 07, 2008 at 07:41 AM

You guys don't honestly still think that it's likely Peavy will be a Brave, do you!?

Posted by: maynardgilmour | December 07, 2008 at 07:57 AM

cubs land is right.

Only the fans of the teams that made the playoffs this year are right, the rest of us don't know what we're talking about. How could we? Otherwise we'd have supported our teams all the way!

Posted by: NickC | December 07, 2008 at 08:13 AM

I think the reds should trade for Cantu. He is a big right handed bat. Encarnacion should be dealt to the giants for sanchez or cain. Reds need to keep freel. He is a reason why im a reds fan. He is fun to watch. The reds could trade arroyo for cantu. Also I think the reds team will look like this: Starting pitching-Aaron harang,Edison volquez, Johnny cueto, 4,5 starter could be sanchez or cain,owings, ramon ramierz

Posted by: Ryan | December 07, 2008 at 08:16 AM

The padres need to look for their shortstop inside the oakland a's ,they have bobby crosby, cliff pennington, gregorio petit.

Posted by: slumpbusters50 | December 07, 2008 at 08:29 AM

I would love to see the Dodgers make a trade for Edwin Encarnacion to play 3B...

Would Ethier get that done?

Pierre/Broxton/Cash

for

E.E.

The Dodgers could then sign Kerry Wood to plug Broxton's hole...

I would rather dump Pierre and spend cash on a guy like Wood then on a washed up guy like Casey Blake to play 3B.

Posted by: MikeClarke | December 07, 2008 at 08:41 AM

I just don't Encarnacion has that much value. I don't think the Giants are trading Sanchez for him, definitely not Cain and I don't think the Dodgers part with Broxton. Of the course the Dodgers being the small market team that they are won't trade for anybody that they'll have to pay.

Posted by: indybucfan | December 07, 2008 at 08:54 AM

I was thinking about the Dodgers deal from the perspective that Frank McCourt is broke.

Pierre is owed about $27 million over the next three years.

The Dodgers pickup $12 million and save $15 million

Wood for two years $18 million

So it will only cost the Dodgers $3 million plus a small salary for Encarnacion

Rather than paying Blake $12 million and keeping Pierre and Broxton

Posted by: MikeClarke | December 07, 2008 at 09:14 AM

Dodgers are a small market team? Thanks for the laugh, indybucfan. The greater Los Angeles are has more people in it than the ENTIRE state of Indiana.

Posted by: angelsfan67 | December 07, 2008 at 09:26 AM

The Dodgers had the exact same payroll as the Cubs last year. Damn those small markets...

Posted by: Bdlugz | December 07, 2008 at 09:53 AM

Dodgers only have more than a million dollars committed to four players. Three of which are putrid...

Jones
Pierre
Schmidt
Kuroda

It does not look like the Dodgers are adding much this off season.

The Dodgers gave up extra prospects to get the Indians to pay for Blake's contract, K.C. to pay for Berroa's contract, and the Red Sox to pay for Manny's contract.

They demanded the Pirates pay for Wilson's contract in a potential deal.

McCourt is broke.

As of today the Dodgers payroll would be around $65 million dollars for 2009

Posted by: MikeClarke | December 07, 2008 at 10:05 AM

I love how since FINALLY the choke job Cubs might actually have a decent team, they're gettin cocky.

BREAKING NEWS CUBS FANS:

What is your team going to when/if they get Peavy and choke in the playoffs again? Well, since they now have emptied the farm for him, they will now... ?????

Posted by: Brian | December 07, 2008 at 10:10 AM

Ohh..I have an answer for my last post!!! The little Cubbies will have to wait another century to actually win something!!

As far as Peavy goes, I'm now glad we didn't empty our farm for him, because when July comes around next year and we need a bat/pitcher, or whatever, we'll have the pieces to trade. Peavy needs to man up and either a) say he doesn't want to be a Brave or b) defend himself against lies that people write about him!

Posted by: Brian | December 07, 2008 at 10:19 AM

Four Big names out there nobody talks about.

Elmer Dessens, Luis Rivas, Josh Fogg, and Jason Micheals.

Where do you think they will sign with?

Posted by: Cyyoung | December 07, 2008 at 10:20 AM

How about this trade if the Cubs want Peavy and Giles:
Cubs get: Peavy + Giles

padres get: rich harden, sean marshall, jeff Samardzija (has a no trade clause) (if he waives no trade clause) or kevin gregg, felix pie and/or tyler colvin, rodney cedeno or theorit, and joshua vitters

so this is the trade:
Padres get: Harden, Marshall, Samardzija, Pie, Colvin, cedeno, Vitters
Cubs get: Giles and Peavy, and a relief pitcher

Posted by: BIGPADRESFAN2009 | December 07, 2008 at 10:38 AM

plz comment on my trade and if its too little or too much to give tell me a better trade

Posted by: BIGPADRESFAN2009 | December 07, 2008 at 10:40 AM

Tim, I think in a year or 2 it might be time for you to make a move in actually going to Las Vegas, and staying at the hotel where the Winter Meetings are held...Not quite your style..but maybe a transformation and something different to do in a couple years?

Posted by: cincy_11 | December 07, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Cy Young, wow those are such huge names.

Posted by: cincy_11 | December 07, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Could the reds trade dickerson and bailey and other prospects for jeff smajardia?

Posted by: Ryan | December 07, 2008 at 10:49 AM

WHY would the Reds trade Arroyo for Cantu when they let Cantu go for free a year ago?

WHY would the Reds trade Edwin E when there is no equal person on the team to play Third Base? Why weaken the team in one area when trying to strenghthen it in another?

Gaining Dye MIGHT help the Outfield but losing EE hurts the Infield.

People complain about Keppinger's lack of power on Offense and "weak arm" and lack of range at SS on Defense and then want to move him to Third Base.

People complain about A Gon being injury prone but want to write him in as the starting SS.

Fine.

Now what happens when A Gon goes down with his seasonal injury, like King Griffey Junior used to? Do you put good glove, no hit Janish at SS?

Lovely.

If THAT happened, Reds' fans would be screaming because the team had no power and wasn't scoring enough Runs.

Why not just keep EE, pay him what he wins in Salary Arbitration, be happy with it and try to get rid of A Gon for whatever some other team will give for him?

Posted by: ctownboy | December 07, 2008 at 10:51 AM

is thier any way the reds can pull off a marshall and smardizja deal?

Posted by: Ryan | December 07, 2008 at 10:56 AM

THE ROYALS NEED TO TRADE FOR MIKE FONTENOT. THAT SHOULD BE THEIR # 1 OBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE FROM THE ROYALS TO GET HIM. DO YOU THINK THAT TEHEAN FOR HIM IS FAIR OF DO THE CUBS WANT MORE FOR HIM, IF THE ROYALS GET HIM WE CAN LOOK LIKE THIS;
1CRISP;300AVG,380OBP,15HR
2AVILES;300AVG,360OBP,15HR
3JACOBS;245AVG,295OBP,30HR
4GUILLEN;270AVG,310OBP,20HR
5DE JESUS;305AVG,395OBP,15HR
6GORDON;285AVG,380OBP,25HR
7FONTENOT;290AVG,390OBP,20HR
8BUTLER;275AVG,350OBP,20HR
9OLIVO;240AVG,295OBP,16HR

TRADE;BUCK,GERMAN,GLOAD,JOEY G,9(TEHEAN FOR FONTENOT)BY DOING THIS YOU CAN SAVE 3,1,2,.5,3 MIL. THAT IS ABOOUT 10 MILL. THAN YOUR BENCH WILL BE THIS;BACK UP CATCHER; PENA, OF MITCH MIER 1B SHEALLY, IF T. PENA AND CALLASPO, THIS GROUP OF BENCH PLAYER ARE CHEAPER,HAVE A SOME UPSIGHT AND GIVE YOU THE SAME AS THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE TRADED.

PLEASE REVIEW AND COMENT ON THIS

Posted by: noemarquez | December 07, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Big Padre, I think your suggestion is reasonable however the Cubs wont give up Harden, Samardzija, or Gregg. They gave up wood and that would take apart their pen. Depending on the relief pitcher they got back.

But they want Hardin for this year.

Brian, if the Cubs go to the playoffs and choke again, then they go home for the off season. Just like the last 2 years. The idea is if they get Peavy they wont go one and done. They have a very small window to shake the monkey. Then the backloaded contracts are going to kill them. They are going to have to rebuild after that. What else can we say.

I however think that the Cubs + Peavy are closer to winning than the Braves + Peavy. I agree that if I am the Braves I dont empty the farm for him.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Big Padre, that deal is far from fair...

The Padres have pretty much admitted they are going to move Peavy, and Giles is around for one more year I believe (they Pad's picked up his option for this year, and I assume its the last year of his contact).

The Cubs won't move Harden, as Buddha said. Marshall, Cedeno, Pie through the Orioles for Olsen, Colvin, and Vitters would probably be a fair deal, though in my opinion the Cubs would be overpaying. Now if they can include Marquis in the deal somehow as a salary dump, it'd be fair.

Posted by: RandomScrub | December 07, 2008 at 11:03 AM

hey cubs land dont talk $hit until your team actually wins a title in the live ball era. Okay? thanks

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:04 AM

BIGPADRESFAN2009,

A third team needs to be included because the cubs don't have the pitching prospects to make a deal. To your trade thats waaaaaay to much, like not even funny, too much.

"Could the reds trade dickerson and bailey and other prospects for jeff smajardia?"

I can tell your a Cubs fan. If this is a package that would net Dye are you seriously considering Jeff Smajardia will net you this? Cmon man use your brain this will NEVER happen.

Posted by: ChiSoxKilla23 | December 07, 2008 at 11:08 AM

nomarquez.. if they offered Tehean for Fontenot straight up I think that the Cubs would bite.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 11:10 AM

I'm really trying to figure out why there is so much Cubs hate. I understand when people complain about the Yankees since they have been successful, but isn't it good for the parity in the league when a team wins the world series every hundred years or so? It's one thing when people are offering ridiculous deals within a particular thread, but I hadn't seen any "Marshall, Pie, and Cedeno for Peavy" offers here before the hating started.

Granted I'm a Cubs fan, but it gets annoying for everyone trying to discuss baseball when we have to scroll through fifty comments of no relevance whenever a thread involves the Cubs, and the majority of this waste isn't from Cubs fans.

Posted by: RandomScrub | December 07, 2008 at 11:12 AM

"Im sure Pads fans are just dying to get a hold of him, i mean they should just trade peavy right now. they're getting ronny cedeno! wow the idiocy that is cubs land"

Hey bravesfan22193, jealous much? I'm sure you thought Lilibridge would have been a adequate SS for the Pads when your team was still in on it but now that you're not you seem to be lashing out at Cub fans for considering the exact same type player as Lilbridge to be adequate. Your post says more about you than it does Cedano.

Posted by: pageian | December 07, 2008 at 11:14 AM

chisox these are the same cubs fans that think felix pie is still going to be a star

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Just wanted to break up the same old crap.

Posted by: Cyyoung | December 07, 2008 at 11:19 AM

randomscrub im sorry a majority of cubs fans are great passionate fans but some of the guys that get on these message boards are just complete idiots. such as cubs land who i was responding to

pageian, the offer by the braves had escobar. and if you think cedeno is comparable, you are insane. I really don't care about Peavy in fact i stressed that we should forget him and grab burnett while negotiations were still going on. I think Cedeno is probably better than Lillbridge but he was never in the peavy deal. get your facts straight before you start attacking my character

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:19 AM

bravesfan22193, fair enough, but you can't argue that braves fans are hurt because they think they had more to offer than the Cubs do. Even with Escobar the Cubs package would be better since Vitters would be going somewhere. IMO Vitters > Escobar. It just seems to me that every braves fan is crawling out from under their rocks and attacking Cub fans because they're hurt/jealous that Peavy is likely to end up in Chicago and not Atlanta. Essentially they haven't accepted the fact that Vitters is worth more in a trade than Escobar is considering that Escobar has likely reached his ceiling and Vitters will end up a much better player. I could be wrong so there's no point arguing it, but if the Pads were really into Escobar he'd probably belong to SD right now.

Posted by: pageian | December 07, 2008 at 11:29 AM

I still think that Pie will be good.. but not until he changes uniforms. If he goes he becomes a star. If he stays.. defensive replacement at best. :-) But he is one of those guys who has all the tools that GMs are intersted in because they think they are the ones to turn him around.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 11:32 AM

Pageian I agree to an extent. yes vitters>esco as far as a trade piece at this point. However many cubs fans came on here and kept spouting ignorant statements like pie is going to be a star and would be a lock to hit .300 in petco for the pads. they also believed an offer of felix pie/cedeno/marshall was better than gorkys hernandez/esco/morton which is ridiculous. now that vitters has been included yes the cubs offer has a slight edge. however escobar has not reached his ceiling by any means just because he wont ever hit .350 or hit 40 homers doesn't mean he can't get better. he could end up as a .300-.320 hitter with 15-25 homers.

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:34 AM

Bleacher Buddha, pie will not ever be a star. good outfielder possibly but no star

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:35 AM

I actually think that Peavy has quitely said, "no trade to Atlanta". Unless this is one of those cases where Towers is trying to get one team to break and up the offer. If that is the case the Braves called BS and pulled thier deal. Considering the yearly salary for Peavy in down the road the offers by the Braves/Cubs are actually resonable.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 11:35 AM

He is already a good outfielder. The problem is he just cant hit his way out of a wet paper sack. :-)

But I guess my expectations are low. To me anyone who is an everyday starter in MLB is a star.

Posted by: Bleacher_Buddha | December 07, 2008 at 11:38 AM

#1. The Braves will not get Peavy. Wren will not include Hanson/Heyward. end of conversation.

#2. Escobar has NOT hit his ceiling. But I will say that Vitters > Escobar simply because Vitters is an amazing hitter. But escobar plays better D at a position that requires it. Vitters is not a bad defender per scouting reports, but if you get him, you have to admit that you are getting his bat first. glove a distant second. escobar slides into your #2 for the next 5 years and plays above-average D in a place (San Diego) that needs it.

#3. Who said that the Cubs have included Vitters? I thought that, to avoid this, they tried to tie in a 3rd team.

#4. gorkys hernandez/esco/morton >>>>>>> felix pie/cedeno/marshall

#5. The Braves will sign Burnett, making all of this moot.

#6. IF Peavy goes to the Cubs, they have a pretty fragile starting rotation, and seeing what the cubs have done with fragile pitchers recently (wood and prior come to mind), it spells disaster.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses | December 07, 2008 at 11:40 AM

Pie is no more than a fourth outfielder will little or no projectible peripheral stats.

he will be a poor-man's Juan Pierre.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses | December 07, 2008 at 11:42 AM

pagian...

IF escobar was going to be traded...the braves were after Furcal.

get your facts straight BEFORE you talk smack.

Posted by: apoxonbothyourhouses | December 07, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Bleacher Buddha i actually said that earlier this morning on a braves site. some braves fan are living in dream land and believe we will get peavy and burnett. im a realist though and i know that peavy wants the cubs and towers is stuck. its amazing that he's gotten vitters included because he should have no leverage at this point

Posted by: bravesfan22193 | December 07, 2008 at 11:49 AM

I dont think the cubs are getting peavy. The experts seem to disagree, but obviously we all have better sources.
The cubs have alot of young talent, its just in High A ball right now and its to early to project.
Cedeno is very young, and pretty solid at SS, but people make it seem like at his age that he has no upside.
And would people please stop saying how cub fans think our prospects are great, NO WE DONT!!
Thats why all the deals people propose are 10 for 1 type deals where we give all we have. Thats how we got Harden and sometimes it works. And yes the braves offer is better, but they wont grant a NTC so peavy wont go there, so it doesnt matter how good the offer is. The cubs offer isnt the best, either was the Mets offer for Santana.

Posted by: chicubs25 | December 07, 2008 at 01:03 PM

"And would people please stop saying how cub fans think our prospects are great, NO WE DONT!!"

You make about the 2nd Cub fan so far to have said that can recall reading a post about, or have said something else absurdly crazy regarding Cubbies along the lines of best pitching staff in baseball etc...

Anyway.. Still see no way the Cubs get Peavy, trading A ball players as chips is fine, many teams use them, but you have most every time have to have that TOP PROSPECT kicker the Cubs just do not have, or young, controllable pitcher that Towers wants and the Cubs don't have, or the other thing that Towers is said to be looking for.. A stud outfielder, both young and controllable that the Cubs don't have.

With all those "Cubs don't haves" How are the Cubs going to get peavy? I don't buy for 1 second Towers is going to be hoodwinked into swapping his stud for DL list harden, just not going to happen and that was the only young pitcher the Cubs have to replace him that is effective and he's only healthy 50% of the time. Marshall still has lots to prove, there is noone above A ball and starting that fits the category. Veal has regressed...

Posted by: johns | December 07, 2008 at 02:23 PM

"so this is the trade:
Padres get: Harden, Marshall, Samardzija, Pie, Colvin, cedeno, Vitters
Cubs get: Giles and Peavy, and a relief pitcher

Posted by: BIGPADRESFAN2009 | December 07, 2008 at 10:38 AM

plz comment on my trade and if its too little or too much to give tell me a better trade

Posted by: BIGPADRESFAN2009 | December 07, 2008 at 10:40 AM"

The fact that I had to read this ridiculous proposal in two separate comment threads sickens me. You want a comment on your trade? OK, you're an absoloute moron. You make Jim Bowden look like Albert Einstein. Substitute Adrian Gonzalez for Brian Giles and then you at least have some fantasyland proposal that's worth considering. All this Peavy talk is tiresome. If the Cubs deal for Peavy it's safe to assume the following; Marshall, Vitters, Cedeno and Marquis will be involved. A third team will be involved.

"THE ROYALS NEED TO TRADE FOR MIKE FONTENOT. THAT SHOULD BE THEIR # 1 OBJECTIVE RIGHT NOW. WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE FROM THE ROYALS TO GET HIM. DO YOU THINK THAT TEHEAN FOR HIM IS FAIR OF DO THE CUBS WANT MORE FOR HIM, IF THE ROYALS GET HIM WE CAN LOOK LIKE THIS;
1CRISP;300AVG,380OBP,15HR
2AVILES;300AVG,360OBP,15HR
3JACOBS;245AVG,295OBP,30HR
4GUILLEN;270AVG,310OBP,20HR
5DE JESUS;305AVG,395OBP,15HR
6GORDON;285AVG,380OBP,25HR
7FONTENOT;290AVG,390OBP,20HR
8BUTLER;275AVG,350OBP,20HR
9OLIVO;240AVG,295OBP,16HR

PLEASE REVIEW AND COMENT ON THIS

Posted by: noemarquez | December 07, 2008 at 10:56 AM"

I agree Fontenot would be a great addition to KC but I highly doubt he'd hit .290 w/ a .390 OBP and 20 HR's. Fontenot for Teahen straight up is an interesting proposal but I don't see the Cubs doing this. I'm a Sox fan and have observed both Teahen and Fontenot regularly the past couple years. I think Fontenot is clearly the better player, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Fontenot could become a Brian Roberts type (minus the speed) when given an everyday job.

Your statistical projections are questionable to say the least. You have pretty much every player playing over their heads, especially Olivo, Butler and Crisp. No way KC bats Jacobs in the 3 spot. What about pitching and defense? Those numbers might help you out on your fantasy team but they mean squat when it comes down to wins and losses.

Posted by: glenallen's hill | December 07, 2008 at 03:32 PM

I think the brewers should try going after Blalock. Bill Hall has struggled and Blalock offers another lefthanded power bat in the lineup. Also, he can play 1st base, so when Fielder leaves in a couple years, the brewers dont have to worry about filling another position, because Gamel will most likely be starting at third in 2-3 years. So heres the trade

Brewers get: Blalock

Texas gets: Hall, Irrabarean/Gulin

Texas would get a young third baseman who can play any position in the field. they would also get either a good outfielder with some MLB experience or a strong AAA- all star pitcher. any thoughts?

Posted by: brewers19101 | December 07, 2008 at 03:56 PM

"I would love to see the Dodgers make a trade for Edwin Encarnacion to play 3B...

Would Ethier get that done?

Pierre/Broxton/Cash

for

E.E.

The Dodgers could then sign Kerry Wood to plug Broxton's hole...

I would rather dump Pierre and spend cash on a guy like Wood then on a washed up guy like Casey Blake to play 3B."

Dude you want to trade pierre and broxton for EE? i rather have terry tiffee play third.

i cant believe how much you just overvalued EE.. broxton is worth more than EE straight up. pierre if you didnt notice will start at left field for us if we dont sign ManRam.

and as much as i dont like broxton closing i rather pay him a million dollars plus pierre 8 million than pay kerry wood 11-12 a year..

if we dont sign furcal, pierre also is the default lead off man.. kemp needs to hit with runners on..

but too sum it up if ned called the reds and offered that it would take 2 seconds for it too be sent to Buds office.

Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 07, 2008 at 04:43 PM

well done apoxonbothyourhouses. At the end of the day, the cubs dont have enough to get peavy. Cubs fans seem to think that they are gonna get the orioles in on the deal and send Pie to Baltimore, Cedeno to SD and some how end up with Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy.

I think Towers is crazy if he doesnt send peavy to atlanta for escobar and pitching. HE alone is better than anything the cubs throw together.

Posted by: beercheesepain | December 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM

"The Dodgers could then sign Kerry Wood to plug Broxton's hole..."

What exacly is going on in the Dodger Clubhouse!?

Posted by: maynardgilmour | December 07, 2008 at 07:40 PM

how about this trade package from the angels to get Jake Peavy:
Weaver, wood, low a prospect walden or conger or sullovin or Reckling or bourjos or Tobin
or
Adenhart, Wood, bourjos (this one is better)
or
if Kevin wants 4 players in the deal, then its Adenhart or Weaver, Bourjos, and Rodriquez or aybar

Posted by: BIGPADRESFAN2009 | December 07, 2008 at 08:00 PM

"#6. IF Peavy goes to the Cubs, they have a pretty fragile starting rotation, and seeing what the cubs have done with fragile pitchers recently (wood and prior come to mind), it spells disaster."

That wasn't entirely the Cubs organization's fault. Wood might have been, but Prior was partly due to the meat grinder that is Dusty Baker. We're luck to have Zambrano today. Angel Guzman's arm is almost totally destroyed like Prior's.

Posted by: cubs4ever | December 07, 2008 at 08:38 PM

"I think Towers is crazy if he doesnt send peavy to atlanta for escobar and pitching. HE alone is better than anything the cubs throw together."

How do you know that Peavy hasn't changed his mind and decided that he wants to play in Chicago? That could have been holding Peavy back from Atlanta. We don't really know what's going on behind the scenes, so I think it's pointless to talk crap and to say stuff like "Well my team's package is better, so that must mean that Towers is trying to get us to up the offer." I'm tired of those comments. We don't really know what's going on, so could we stop whining about this thing?

Posted by: cubs4ever | December 07, 2008 at 08:42 PM

Who are bigger playoff chokers the braves or cubs?

cubs go flat 2 years in a row in the playoffs and don't even win 1 game

Braves went to the playoffs 12 years in a row and only won 1 W.S ring

So who would be the bigger playoff chokers?

CUBS: 0-2

BRAVES: 1-12

Posted by: jtcubbies | December 08, 2008 at 10:18 AM

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